Meet e-Patient Dave

When Dave deBronkart learned he had a rare and terminal cancer, he turned to a group of fellow patients online -- and found a medical treatment that even his own doctors didn't know. It saved his life. Now he calls on all patients to talk with one another, know their own health data, and make health care better one e-Patient at a time.

It's an amazing thing that we're here to talk

about the year of patients rising.

You heard stories earlier today

about patients who are taking control of their cases,

patients who are saying, "You know what, I know what the odds are,

but I'm going to go look for more information.

I'm going to define

what the terms of my success are."

I'm going to be sharing with you

how four years ago I almost died --

found out I was, in fact,

already almost dead.

And what I then found out about what's called the e-Patient movement --

I'll explain what that term means.

I had been blogging under the name Patient Dave,

and when I discovered this,

I just renamed myself e-Patient Dave.

Regarding the word "patient,"

when I first started a few years ago

getting involved in health care

and attending meetings as just a casual observer,

I noticed that people would talk about patients

as if it was somebody who's not in the room here,

somebody out there.

Some of our talks today, we still act like that.

But I'm here to tell you,

"patient" is not a third-person word.

You, yourself,

will find yourself in a hospital bed --

or your mother, your child --

there are heads nodding, people who say, "Yes, I know exactly what you mean."

So when you hear what I'm going to talk about here today,

first of all, I want to say

that I am here on behalf

of all the patients that I have ever met,

all the ones I haven't met.

This is about letting patients play a more active role

in helping health care, in fixing health care.

One of the senior doctors at my hospital,

Charlie Safran, and his colleague, Warner Slack,

have been saying for decades

that the most underutilized resource in all of health care

is the patient.

They have been saying that since the 1970s.

Now I'm going to step back in history.

This is from July, 1969.

I was a freshman in college,

and this was when we first landed on the Moon.

And it was the first time

we had ever seen from another surface --

that's the place where you and I are right now,

where we live.

The world was changing.

It was about to change in ways that nobody could foresee.

A few weeks later,

Woodstock happened.

Three days of fun and music.

Here, just for historical authenticity,

is a picture of me in that year.

(Laughter)

Yeah, the wavy hair, the blue eyes --

it was really something.

That Fall of 1969,

the Whole Earth Catalog came out.

It was a hippie journal of self-sufficiency.

We think of hippies of being just hedonists,

but there's a very strong component -- I was in that movement --

a very strong component

of being responsible for yourself.

This book's title's subtitle

is: "Access to Tools."

And it talked about how to build your own house,

how to grow your own food, all kinds of things.

In the 1980s,

this young doctor, Tom Ferguson,

was the medical editor of the Whole Earth Catalog.

And he saw that the great majority

of what we do in medicine and health care

is taking care of ourselves.

In fact, he said it was 70 to 80 percent

of how we actually take care of our bodies.

Well he also saw

that when health care turns to medical care

because of a more serious disease,

the key thing that holds us back is access to information.

And when the Web came along, that changed everything,

because not only could we find information,

we could find other people like ourselves

who could gather, who could bring us information.

And he coined this term e-Patients --

equipped, engaged, empowered, enabled.

Obviously at this stage of life

he was in a somewhat more dignified form than he was back then.

Now I was an engaged patient

long before I ever heard of the term.

In 2006, I went to my doctor for a regular physical,

and I had said, "I have a sore shoulder."

Well, I got an X-ray,

and the next morning --

you may have noticed, those of you who have been through a medical crisis

will understand this.

This morning, some of the speakers

named the date when they found out about their condition.

For me, it was 9:00 AM

on January 3, 2007.

I was at the office; my desk was clean;

I had the blue partition carpet on the walls.

The phone rang and it was my doctor.

He said, "Dave, I pulled up the X-ray image

on the screen on the computer at home."

He said, "Your shoulder's going to be fine,

but Dave, there's something in your lung."

And if you look in that red oval,

that shadow was not supposed to be there.

To make a long story short,

I said, "So you need me to get back in there?"

He said, "Yeah, we're going to need to do a CT scan of your chest."

And in parting I said, "Is there anything I should do?"

He said -- think about this one.

This is the advice your doctor gives you:

"just go home and have a glass of wine with your wife."

I went in for the CAT scan,

and it turns out there were five of these things in both my lungs.

So at that point we knew that it was cancer.

We knew it wasn't lung cancer.

That meant it was metastasized from somewhere.

The question was, where from?

So I went in for an ultrasound.

I got to do what many women have --

the jelly on the belly and bzzzz.

My wife came with me.

She's a veterinarian,

so she's seen lots of ultrasounds.

I mean, she knows I'm not a dog.

But what we saw -- this is an MRI image.

This is much sharper than an ultrasound would be.

What we saw in that kidney

was that big blob there.

And there were actually two of these.

One was growing out the front and it had already erupted,

and it latched onto the bowel.

One was growing out the back, and it attached to the soleus muscle,

which is a big muscle in the back that I'd never heard of,

but all of a sudden I cared about it.

I went home.

Now I've been Googling -- I've been online since 1989 on CompuServe.

I went home, and I know you can't read the details here;

that's not important.

My point is I went to a respected medical website,

WebMD,

because I know how to filter out junk.

I also found my wife online.

Before I met her,

I went through some suboptimal search results.

(Laughter)

So I looked for quality information.

There's so much about trust --

what sources of information can we trust?

Where does my body end

and an invader start?

And cancer, a tumor, is something you grow out of your own tissue.

How does that happen?

Where does medical ability

end and start?

Well, so what I read on WebMD:

"The prognosis is poor

for progressing renal cell cancer.

Almost all patients are incurable."

I've been online long enough to know

if I don't like the first results I get,

I go look for more.

And what I found was on other websites,

even by the third page of Google results,

"Outlook is bleak",

"Prognosis is grim."

And I'm thinking, "What the heck?"

I didn't feel sick at all.

I mean, I'd been getting tired in the evening,

but I was 56 years old.

I was slowly losing weight,

but for me, that was what the doctor told me to do.

It was really something.

And this is the diagram of stage four kidney cancer

from the drug I eventually got.

Totally by coincidence, there's that thing in my lung.

In the left femur, the left thigh bone, there's another one.

I had one. My leg eventually snapped.

I fainted and landed on it, and it broke.

There's one in the skull,

and then just for good measure, I had these other tumors --

including, by the time my treatment started,

one was growing out of my tongue.

I had kidney cancer growing out of my tongue.

And what I read was that my median survival

was 24 weeks.

This was bad.

I was facing the grave.

I thought, "What's my mother's face going to look like

on the day of my funeral?"

I had to sit down with my daughter

and say, "Here's the situation."

Her boyfriend was with her.

I said, "I don't want you guys to get married prematurely

just so you can do it while Dad's still alive."

It's really serious.

Because if you wonder why patients are motivated and want to help,

think about this.

Well, my doctor prescribed a patient community,

Acor.org,

a network of cancer patients, of all amazing things.

Very quickly they told me,

"Kidney cancer is an uncommon disease.

Get yourself to a specialist center.

There is no cure, but there's something that sometimes works --

it usually doesn't --

called high-dosage interleukin.

Most hospitals don't offer it,

so they won't even tell you it exists.

And don't let them give you anything else first.

And by the way, here are four doctors

in your part of the United States who offer it and their phone numbers."

How amazing is that?

(Applause)

Here's the thing.

Here we are, four years later:

you can't find a website that gives patients that information.

Government-approved, American Cancer Society,

but patients know what patients want to know.

It's the power of patient networks.

This amazing substance --

again I mentioned, where does my body end?

My oncologist and I talk a lot these days

because I try to keep my talks technically accurate.

And he said, "You know, the immune system

is good at detecting invaders --

bacteria coming from outside --

but when it's your own tissue that you've grown,

it's a whole different thing."

And I went through a mental exercise actually,

because I started a patient support community of my own

on a website,

and one of my friends, one of my relatives actually,

said, "Look, Dave, who grew this thing?

Are you going to set yourself up

as mentally attacking yourself?"

So we went into it.

And the story of how all that happens is in this book.

Anyway, this is the way the numbers unfolded.

Me being me, I put the numbers from my hospital's website

from my tumor sizes into a spreadsheet.

Don't worry about the numbers.

You see, that's the immune system.

Amazing thing, those two yellow lines

are where I got the two doses of interleukin

two months apart.

And look at how the tumor sizes plummeted in between.

Just incredible.

Who knows what we'll be able to do when we learn to make more use of it.

The punch line is that a year and a half later,

I was there when this magnificent young woman, my daughter,

got married.

And when she came down those steps,

and it was just her and me for that moment,

I was so glad that she didn't have to say to her mother,

"I wish Dad could have been here."

And this is what we're doing

when we make health care better.

Now I want to talk briefly about a couple of other patients

who are doing everything in their power to improve health care.

This is Regina Holliday,

a painter in Washington D.C.,

whose husband died of kidney cancer a year after my disease.

She's painting here a mural

of his horrible final weeks in the hospital.

One of the things that she discovered

was that her husband's medical record

in this paper folder

was just disorganized.

And she thought, "You know, if I have a nutrition facts label

on the side of a cereal box,

why can't there be something that simple

telling every new nurse who comes on duty,

every new doctor,

the basics about my husband's condition?"

So she painted this medical facts mural

with a nutrition label,

something like that,

in a diagram of him.

She then, last year, painted this diagram.

She studied health care like me.

She came to realize that there were a lot of people

who'd written patient advocate books

that you just don't hear about at medical conferences.

Patients are such an underutilized resource.

Well as it says in my introduction,

I've gotten somewhat known for saying that patients should have access to their data.

And I actually said at one conference a couple of years ago,

"Give me my damn data,

because you people can't be trusted to keep it clean."

And here she has our damned data --

it's a pun --

which is starting to break out, starting to break through --

the water symbolizes our data.

And in fact, I want to do a little something improvisational for you here.

There's a guy on Twitter that I know,

a health IT guy outside Boston,

and he wrote the e-Patient rap.

And it goes like this.

♫ Gimme my damn data ♫

♫ I want to be an e-Patient just like Dave ♫

♫ Gimme my damn data, cuz it's my life to save ♫

Now I'm not going to go any further.

(Applause)

Well thank you. That shot the timing.

(Laughter)

Think about the possibility,

why is it that iPhones and iPads

advance far faster

than the health tools that are available to you

to help take care of your family?

Here's a website, VisibleBody.com,

that I stumbled across.

And I thought, "You know, I wonder what my soleus muscle is?"

So you can click on things and remove it.

And I saw, "Aha, that's the kidney and the soleus muscle."

And I was rotating it in 3D

and saying, "I understand now."

And then I realized it reminded me of Google Earth,

where you can fly to any address.

And I thought, "Why not take this

and connect it to my digital scan data

and have Google Earth for my body?"

What did Google come out with this year?

Now there's Google Body browser.

But you see, it's still generic.

It's not my data.

But if we can get that data out from behind the dam

so software innovators can pounce on it,

the way software innovators like to do,

who knows what we'll be able to come up with.

One final story: this is Kelly Young,

a rheumatoid arthritis patient

from Florida.

This is a live story

unfolding just in the last few weeks.

RA patients, as they call themselves --

her blog is RA Warrior --

have a big problem

because 40 percent of them have no visible symptoms.

And that makes it just really hard to tell how the disease is going.

And some doctors think, "Yeah right, you're really in pain."

Well she found, through her online research,

a nuclear bone scan

that's usually used for cancer,

but it can also reveal inflammation.

And she saw

that if there is no inflammation

then the scan is a uniform gray.

So she took it.

And the radiologist report said, "No cancer found."

Well that's not what he was supposed to do with it.

So she had it read again, she wanted to have it read again,

and her doctor fired her.

She pulled up the CD.

He said, "If you don't want to follow my instructions,

go away."

So she pulled up the CD of the scan images,

and look at all those hot spots.

And she's now actively engaged on her blog

in looking for assistance in getting better care.

See, that is an empowered patient -- no medical training.

We are, you are,

the most underused resource in health care.

What she was able to do

was because she had access to the raw data.

How big a deal was this?

Well at TED2009,

Tim Berners-Lee himself, inventor of the Web, gave a talk

where he said the next big thing

is not to have your browser go out

and find other people's articles about the data,

but the raw data.

And he got them chanting by the end of the talk,

"Raw data now.

Raw data now."

And I ask you,

three words, please, to improve health care:

let patients help.

Let patients help.

Let patients help.

Let patients help.

Thank you.

(Applause)

For all the patients around the world

watching this on the webcast,

God bless you, everyone -- let patients help.

Host: And bless yourself. Thank you very much.