We the people, the citizen scientists | Effy Vayena | TEDxAthens
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0:10 - 0:12I will speak to you in English,
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0:12 - 0:15although you can tell
my native language is Greek. -
0:16 - 0:20One of my favourite authors,
Vladimir Nabokov, wrote once: -
0:21 - 0:27"My personal tragedy, the one that cannot
and should not be anyone's concern, -
0:27 - 0:31is that I abandoned
my natural language, my natural idiom". -
0:31 - 0:36And although I won't go as far as him
to say that it is my personal tragedy, -
0:36 - 0:40I did abandon Greek,
and I adopted English. -
0:40 - 0:44The language of science,
of modern science. -
0:44 - 0:49And I adopted English when I embarked on
my intellectual and professional journey, -
0:49 - 0:52to study something
that fascinated me for a long time, -
0:52 - 0:57and that was the interaction
between science and society. -
0:57 - 1:00How do they relate to each other?
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1:00 - 1:03How, through this interaction,
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1:03 - 1:08moral boundaries are emerging
for science and for society. -
1:08 - 1:10In other words, I've been trying to study
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1:10 - 1:14how the language of science
and the language of society relate. -
1:15 - 1:18Is this a tragic relationship
of abandonment, -
1:18 - 1:21or is it a relationship of symbiosis,
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1:21 - 1:23and if the latter,
what does it mean really? -
1:23 - 1:25How does it work?
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1:25 - 1:28And what I'm going
to talk to you about tonight -
1:28 - 1:32is an illustration of that relationship,
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1:32 - 1:36because I find the example of tonight
much more interesting than many other -
1:36 - 1:41because it is about science,
made by non-scientists. -
1:41 - 1:44Now many of you, in this beautiful room,
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1:44 - 1:47are calling yourselves scientists I guess,
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1:47 - 1:50and we heard today
a few scientists speaking. -
1:50 - 1:54To do that, you studied at an institution,
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1:54 - 1:57you had tests, certificates,
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1:57 - 2:00and you entered a community of experts.
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2:01 - 2:06A close-knit community, which has
a particular language, and a code. -
2:07 - 2:12Now, in this closed net we take pride,
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2:12 - 2:16because science is important,
and scientists are important, -
2:16 - 2:20and without science, our lives
wouldn't be as liveable as they are, -
2:20 - 2:23and our opportunities
to flourish would be limited. -
2:23 - 2:26And that's an important thing to remember.
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2:26 - 2:29So science and scientists
are very important, -
2:29 - 2:32but the question I want to put to you is,
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2:32 - 2:36how would it be if I told you
that non-scientists, any of you, -
2:36 - 2:39ordinary people out there,
can actually contribute -
2:39 - 2:42to the development
of scientific knowledge? -
2:42 - 2:46How would it be, if just ordinary people,
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2:46 - 2:48who don't understand
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2:48 - 2:51the scientific method,
the scientific thinking, -
2:51 - 2:56people who never stepped foot in a lab
that sequences people's DNA, -
2:56 - 2:59they can make a significant contribution
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2:59 - 3:02in the development
of scientific knowledge. -
3:03 - 3:05This is not bad science fiction.
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3:05 - 3:11As we speak there are millions of people,
the ones you see here, on this slide, -
3:11 - 3:13around science,
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3:13 - 3:15that are actually making
important contributions -
3:15 - 3:18to scientific development.
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3:19 - 3:22Now, the phenomenon
is called "Citizen Science", -
3:22 - 3:25and the people who do it
"Citizen Scientists". -
3:26 - 3:28It's a hard thing to define,
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3:28 - 3:31so I will try to use
some examples to define it, -
3:31 - 3:37but before I do that, my remark is,
when I use the word "Citizen", -
3:37 - 3:41please don't think of citizen
in the sense of a membership to a state, -
3:42 - 3:45rather, membership
to the state of knowledge, -
3:45 - 3:47or to the republic of knowledge.
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3:47 - 3:50A republic in which we are all members,
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3:50 - 3:52and in which we all have
rights and responsibilities. -
3:53 - 3:55Let me get to the examples.
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3:56 - 3:59Citizen Science comes in various forms.
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3:59 - 4:01One such form is in crowds.
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4:02 - 4:064,500 people contributed
their observations -
4:06 - 4:08during a solar eclipse
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4:08 - 4:12which helped scientists understand why,
during the solar eclipse, -
4:12 - 4:16there is an eerie sense of cold wind
for those observers. -
4:16 - 4:20For many years, scientists were trying
to understand that, but they couldn't; -
4:20 - 4:23what they were missing
is all these observations. -
4:23 - 4:26Imagine 4,500 scientists
making an observation, -
4:26 - 4:28that's a lot to ask from scientists.
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4:28 - 4:32Those citizens contributed that.
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4:32 - 4:38In 2007, a group of astronomers
developed Galaxy Zoo, -
4:38 - 4:42an open platform where
they uploaded pictures of galaxies. -
4:42 - 4:45A lot of observable galaxies
that we need to understand, -
4:45 - 4:48but we have to classify first.
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4:49 - 4:53They asked the public to help
classify those galaxies and they thought, -
4:53 - 4:56well there are going to be a few people
maybe, interested in this project, -
4:56 - 4:57who knows how many.
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4:57 - 5:03In the first year, 150,000 people
made over 50 million classifications, -
5:03 - 5:06a lot of people
got interested in this project. -
5:06 - 5:10Galaxy Zoo is one of the very successful
Citizen Scientist projects, -
5:10 - 5:13and has now moved into something
called "Zooniverse", -
5:13 - 5:16which is a platform that hosts
a lot of Citizen Science projects, -
5:16 - 5:22from Astronomy, to Physics, to Medicine,
Biology, and many other areas. -
5:23 - 5:28But Citizen Science comes also
in other, smaller kind of constellations. -
5:28 - 5:30These are the Hempels.
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5:31 - 5:36The girls, the twins,
were born with a disease. -
5:36 - 5:39It took them two years to find out
what the disease was. -
5:39 - 5:43It looked bad, and the doctors
eventually figured out -
5:43 - 5:47that they suffered from
the Nieman Pick C disease. -
5:47 - 5:48There is no treatment,
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5:48 - 5:51they probably wouldn't
come to adolescence. -
5:51 - 5:57The responsible gene for that
is the one that controls our lipids. -
5:58 - 6:00The parents are not scientists,
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6:00 - 6:03they haven't gone to an institution
that teaches science, -
6:03 - 6:05and they don't have a degree in science.
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6:05 - 6:08They were devoted, caring,
curious, maybe desperate, -
6:08 - 6:09and really convinced
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6:09 - 6:13that they have to do something
to help their kids. -
6:13 - 6:15The girls are suffering
from a rare disease, -
6:15 - 6:19so not really in the centre
of the scientific interest. -
6:20 - 6:23They pushed very hard,
they fund-raised, -
6:23 - 6:27they networked with scientists,
they collaborated with scientists, -
6:27 - 6:31they were even able to come up,
themselves, over their own study, -
6:31 - 6:34with a compound, cyclodextrin,
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6:34 - 6:38that convinced eventually some scientists
to put it in a clinical trial. -
6:38 - 6:40The clinical trial is today funded
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6:40 - 6:43by the National Institute
of Health in the United States. -
6:43 - 6:48We still have to know the result but still
it is a contribution to their kids, -
6:49 - 6:52but also to the generalizable knowledge,
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6:52 - 6:55to the tree of scientific knowledge.
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6:56 - 6:59Kim Goodsell is an extreme athlete.
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6:59 - 7:03While she was training for Iron Man,
she started having instability. -
7:03 - 7:05She went to doctors,
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7:05 - 7:08they diagnosed her, eventually,
with two diseases. -
7:08 - 7:11Probably rare again,
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7:11 - 7:14and told her that she simply had bad luck;
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7:14 - 7:17well, she was not
very satisfied with that. -
7:17 - 7:20She needed to do something,
and she convinced herself -
7:20 - 7:22that she needed a unifying diagnosis
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7:22 - 7:24of how can one have
two diseases at the same time -
7:24 - 7:27and we don't know what to do about it?
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7:27 - 7:29She invested hundreds
of hours to study genetics, -
7:29 - 7:34not in an institution, not in a lab,
studying sources that she found, -
7:34 - 7:36and trying to connect the dots;
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7:36 - 7:41and she eventually did, to the surprise
of the top experts in the field. -
7:43 - 7:47Today she says her contribution
not only helped her, to improve her life, -
7:48 - 7:52but also to produce that little
tiny bit of knowledge -
7:52 - 7:55that can be generalized and help others.
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7:55 - 7:58My last example is Sara Riggare.
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7:59 - 8:02Sara is a Parkinson's patient,
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8:02 - 8:05and she also calls herself
Citizen Scientist. -
8:06 - 8:12She has to take six prescription
medications, six times a day, -
8:13 - 8:17at five different intervals,
in six different combinations. -
8:18 - 8:20You can do the math.
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8:21 - 8:24What Sara says is that
that's a lot of self care. -
8:25 - 8:33All the blue dots on that graph
are the 8,765 hours that she self-cares. -
8:34 - 8:40The red dot, it's the one hour
that she sees her physician in a year. -
8:41 - 8:46What she says is that she doesn't want
one more hour, or a lot more red dots. -
8:47 - 8:50What she argues is that
in all those blue dots -
8:50 - 8:54there is a lot of knowledge
that she can collect, -
8:54 - 8:59and that knowledge can help her,
can also be used for other patients. -
8:59 - 9:02This is a kind of knowledge
we don't capture, -
9:02 - 9:04because she goes to the doctor
only for that hour, -
9:04 - 9:07and she tells him or her
that she took the pills -
9:07 - 9:09or she feels better or worse.
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9:09 - 9:13Her point and her advocacy
has been to encourage patients -
9:13 - 9:18to collect this data,
to collect the observations, -
9:18 - 9:23and put them back into the pot of data
that scientists can analyse. -
9:25 - 9:28The reason that Sara is arguing
that this can happen, -
9:28 - 9:30and she is trying to motivate
the Parkinson's community -
9:30 - 9:32and many other patients for that,
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9:32 - 9:35is because, with the technology
we have today, that is possible. -
9:35 - 9:38We all walk around with our smartphones,
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9:38 - 9:40we can take pictures,
we can measure things, -
9:40 - 9:43we all have sensors, or most of us,
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9:43 - 9:46and globally we know that
there are more smartphones, -
9:46 - 9:50active subscriptions and mobile phones,
than people on the planet. -
9:50 - 9:52So that's not just a few people,
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9:52 - 9:54there's lots of people
with the technology. -
9:54 - 9:58We are mostly on the internet,
most of us on the internet, -
9:58 - 10:00we have technology, we have connectivity,
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10:00 - 10:02and there's something else
that's happening. -
10:02 - 10:05There is a social trend about empowerment:
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10:05 - 10:10how we, as scientists, citizens,
patients, whatever capacity we have, -
10:11 - 10:13can become more in control of our lives
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10:13 - 10:17and become more active participants
in decisions that matter about our lives. -
10:18 - 10:21And these different things
that are happening -
10:21 - 10:25have created a very fertile environment
for this movement of Citizen Science -
10:25 - 10:28to emerge, and also to flourish.
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10:28 - 10:30But you can ask the question.
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10:30 - 10:34I told you already that science is great,
it has done so much for us, -
10:34 - 10:37does it really need all those people?
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10:37 - 10:39Doing things of that sort?
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10:39 - 10:44Maybe the Hempels or Kim Goodsell
are extreme cases, and that's welcome, -
10:44 - 10:46but do we have to
systematically go out there -
10:46 - 10:48and encourage people to do that stuff?
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10:48 - 10:50Does science need that?
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10:51 - 10:55And, more importantly,
does society need that? -
10:55 - 10:58And I'll answer the question, I hope,
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10:58 - 11:03"We live in a society absolutely dependent
on science and technology, -
11:03 - 11:06and yet we have cleverly arranged things
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11:06 - 11:09so that almost no one understands
science and technology. -
11:10 - 11:12That's a clear prescription for disaster".
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11:13 - 11:16Scientific literacy
around the world is not great, -
11:16 - 11:20even in countries that produce
some very serious science; -
11:20 - 11:23at the same time,
science becomes more complex, -
11:23 - 11:25and we more dependent on science.
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11:25 - 11:29And yet we don't understand it,
lots of people don't understand it. -
11:30 - 11:34Citizen Science and this engagement
with the scientific activity, -
11:34 - 11:36this hands-on engagement,
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11:36 - 11:40can actually contribute
to filling this gap. -
11:41 - 11:45Science is important for democracy,
I hope you agree with me on that, -
11:45 - 11:49but I'll explain quickly
why I think it's really important. -
11:49 - 11:52Democracy is something
that we all participate in, -
11:52 - 11:54or we ought to participate in:
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11:54 - 11:57we have to make decisions collectively,
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11:57 - 12:01about scientific matters
and societal matters. -
12:01 - 12:05And the important thing we have to do
is to be able to think critically, -
12:06 - 12:07and not be swayed
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12:07 - 12:11by things that are not real,
by non-facts, et cetera -
12:12 - 12:15Science, the scientific thinking,
the scientific method, -
12:15 - 12:19the critical eye that science introduces
to the way we approach things, -
12:19 - 12:21can help us do that.
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12:21 - 12:23Can also help us think,
and probably understand, -
12:23 - 12:27that sometimes true things
are counter-intuitive, -
12:28 - 12:30and that's always a little harder on us.
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12:31 - 12:34But for democracy we would need
to develop those skills. -
12:34 - 12:37And because democracy
is something that is for all of us, -
12:37 - 12:41we can't expect that the tools
of thinking, of critical thinking, -
12:41 - 12:46and of these possibilities of evaluation,
are only kept for the experts. -
12:47 - 12:51We all have to be able
to deal with those tools. -
12:53 - 12:55"Out on the edge
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12:55 - 12:59you see all kinds of things
you can't see from the center." -
12:59 - 13:03"Big, undreamed-of things -
the people on the edge see them first." -
13:03 - 13:08If you have people on the edge of science,
they can see things. -
13:09 - 13:12The rare disease people can see things.
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13:12 - 13:15Sara Riggare can see things,
she is not in the centre of science. -
13:15 - 13:17She is out there.
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13:17 - 13:20And she can imagine things
that it would be very useful -
13:20 - 13:24if those scientists in the centre
were able to understand. -
13:24 - 13:29There is insight on the edge
that is necessary for the centre. -
13:30 - 13:33This language of the side,
of the edge, can be useful -
13:33 - 13:35to the language of the centre,
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13:35 - 13:39and it's an opportunity
with Citizen Science to bring it in, -
13:39 - 13:43and therefore it's an opportunity
to enrich science, -
13:43 - 13:46if people from the edge
are coming to the centre. -
13:47 - 13:50It is therefore important,
not only for society, -
13:50 - 13:54not only for democracy,
but also for science itself, -
13:54 - 13:59to encourage and respect
and protect Citizen Science. -
13:59 - 14:00And in fact, in my view,
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14:00 - 14:04it's important for all of us,
no matter what role we play. -
14:04 - 14:06And if it is so important,
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14:06 - 14:12we also have to protect Citizen Science
from some risks that it might run. -
14:13 - 14:15And there are two risks:
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14:15 - 14:18one is the risk to be hijacked;
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14:18 - 14:22Citizen Science has become fashionable,
it is becoming fashionable, -
14:23 - 14:27because, who wouldn't like
a big crowd of 4,500 people, -
14:27 - 14:31or of a million people,
doing a task voluntarily, -
14:32 - 14:35giving data voluntarily,
without asking to be paid, -
14:35 - 14:37without asking anything,
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14:37 - 14:43just doing it for the interest of science,
for the interest of scientific knowledge. -
14:43 - 14:45It's a great thing.
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14:45 - 14:48There are a lot of interests
coming in there. -
14:49 - 14:56If Citizen Science gets hijacked,
if people are exploited, it won't work. -
14:57 - 15:02If people are not given credit
for what they do, it won't work. -
15:03 - 15:05If people's interest of altruism
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15:05 - 15:09to help science, to help
our society become better, -
15:11 - 15:13are hijacked by other interests
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15:13 - 15:17that are not aligned with the motivations
of Citizen Scientists, it won't work. -
15:17 - 15:21And that would be a huge loss,
so we have to protect this phenomenon, -
15:21 - 15:25we have to protect the participation
of all citizens to science, -
15:25 - 15:28from that particular risk
of being hijacked. -
15:28 - 15:31But Citizen Science
runs also another risk. -
15:31 - 15:33A little bit more subtle
but equally important. -
15:34 - 15:36This is the risk of suffocation.
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15:37 - 15:40Our standard science,
our mainstream science, -
15:40 - 15:44the one we take pride in and we like,
and it has helped us so much, -
15:44 - 15:49is a closed system,
it has its own language, -
15:49 - 15:52it has its own rules,
and for the most part -
15:52 - 15:54that's a good thing,
we don't want lousy science -
15:54 - 15:57that changes its rules every now and then,
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15:57 - 16:02but we want openness in science
and inside the scientific community. -
16:02 - 16:06We want openness that will allow science
to see its own blind spots, -
16:07 - 16:09because it has them.
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16:10 - 16:14That means openness to accept
that those people from the edge -
16:14 - 16:17have something important
to contribute to the centre, -
16:17 - 16:19and therefore means
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16:19 - 16:24that it won't suffocate that activity
that's coming towards the centre. -
16:25 - 16:30And for that we don't even need
to invent a new moral imperative, -
16:30 - 16:32a new ethic.
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16:32 - 16:37It's actually a very fundamental thing
in our morality, in our humanity, -
16:37 - 16:40to have people, all of us, participate
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16:40 - 16:43in a valuable social
activity like science. -
16:43 - 16:46And you won't have to go
too far to discover this, -
16:46 - 16:51it's already inscribed in the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights. -
16:52 - 16:55One specific article which,
even if you are familiar -
16:55 - 16:57with International Law and Human Rights
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16:57 - 16:59you may not have actually
paid attention to because nobody did, -
17:00 - 17:02is this one, Article 27,
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17:02 - 17:06which recognises that we all
have this right to participate -
17:06 - 17:09in the cultural life,
the community, enjoy the Arts, -
17:09 - 17:12and to share in the scientific
advancements and its benefits. -
17:12 - 17:15While we are all interested
in the benefit, -
17:15 - 17:16we have paid little attention
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17:16 - 17:20to the importance of sharing
in the scientific advancement. -
17:20 - 17:24It's now a big opportunity
to have Citizen Science -
17:24 - 17:29and that participation in the making
of scientific advancements, -
17:29 - 17:31giving us all the hope we probably need.
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17:31 - 17:33And I hope we won't miss this chance.
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17:33 - 17:34Thank you very much.
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17:34 - 17:38(Applause)
- Title:
- We the people, the citizen scientists | Effy Vayena | TEDxAthens
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At the intersection of multiple fields, Effy Vayena explores how values such as freedom of choice, participation and privacy are affected by recent developments in precision medicine and in digital health.
Effy Vayena is Professor of Health Policy at the University of Zurich, where she leads the Health Ethics and Policy Lab.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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