How The Bail Project is reforming criminal justice in the US
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0:00 - 0:02Manoush Zomorodi: So, Robin Steinberg,
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0:02 - 0:06thank you so much
for being my first official guest -
0:06 - 0:08as the new host of TED Radio Hour.
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0:08 - 0:10I'm pretty psyched about that.
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0:10 - 0:11Robin Steinberg: I'm delighted.
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0:11 - 0:12(Applause)
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0:12 - 0:15MZ: So OK, I want to start
with the Bail Project, -
0:15 - 0:18how it came to be,
how you came up with the idea. -
0:18 - 0:20The story goes
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0:20 - 0:24that 10 years ago, you and your husband
were eating Chinese takeout food -
0:24 - 0:25when you came up with the concept.
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0:26 - 0:29You'd been a public defender
for over 30 years, -
0:29 - 0:33but there was this moment
where you decided something had to change. -
0:33 - 0:36RS: So we had both spent decades
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0:36 - 0:39in the trenches of the criminal
legal system as public defenders, -
0:39 - 0:42fighting for each and every client
the best we could, -
0:42 - 0:44defending people's humanity
and their dignity -
0:44 - 0:45and fighting for their freedom.
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0:46 - 0:48And no matter how good we were as lawyers,
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0:48 - 0:50and I like to think we were really good,
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0:50 - 0:53and how forceful we fought
on behalf of a client, -
0:53 - 0:57sometimes it all came down
to a few hundred dollars. -
0:57 - 1:00And that was whether or not
your client could pay bail -
1:00 - 1:02and fight her case from freedom
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1:02 - 1:05or whether she was going to be
locked in jail on Rikers Island -
1:06 - 1:08and desperate would wind up
pleading guilty, -
1:08 - 1:09whether she did it or not.
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1:09 - 1:12And that just enraged us.
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1:12 - 1:14And sometimes, you know,
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1:14 - 1:17the answers are simple
and they're right in front of you. -
1:17 - 1:18And so we thought,
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1:18 - 1:21"Well, what if we just paid
clients' bail?" -
1:21 - 1:23And that's where the idea
of creating a revolving bail fund -- -
1:24 - 1:26because bail comes back
at the end of a case, -
1:26 - 1:28if we could raise money
and put it in a fund, -
1:28 - 1:30and have a revolving fund,
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1:30 - 1:32we could just pay bail for our clients.
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1:32 - 1:34Now I have to say, that was back in 2005.
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1:36 - 1:38People weren’t talking
about criminal justice reform -
1:38 - 1:39the way they are now,
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1:39 - 1:42there wasn't a lot of conversation
about bail reform, -
1:42 - 1:45and quite honestly, we spent two years
knocking on people's door. -
1:45 - 1:46Nobody answered.
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1:46 - 1:50Until one day, one man and his family,
Jason Flom and his family, -
1:50 - 1:54decided to take a chance on us
and gave us a grant in 2007. -
1:54 - 1:58And we began to test
the revolving bail fund model. -
1:58 - 2:00And to see what would happen.
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2:00 - 2:01MZ: Can you clarify, though,
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2:01 - 2:06like, why it is so important
for someone not to be in jail -
2:06 - 2:07while they await trial?
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2:07 - 2:10You've explained this in the past
and it really blew my mind, -
2:10 - 2:14because I had no idea what could happen
in those days or weeks -
2:14 - 2:17before someone actually
has to plead their case. -
2:17 - 2:20RS: Sure. So, being held in jail
even for a few days -
2:20 - 2:22can change the trajectory of your life.
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2:22 - 2:26It is not only the place
where you can be victimized, sexually, -
2:26 - 2:28you can be exposed to violence,
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2:28 - 2:31you'll be traumatized in all sorts of ways
while you're in the jail, -
2:31 - 2:33and that's even
the first few days or a week -
2:33 - 2:37is when most jail deaths actually,
whether they're suicides or homicides, -
2:37 - 2:38actually happen.
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2:38 - 2:40But while you're sitting in jail,
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2:40 - 2:42and understand,
folks sitting in jail pretrial -
2:42 - 2:44have not been convicted of a crime.
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2:44 - 2:47They're there because they don't have
enough money to pay bail. -
2:47 - 2:51And while that's happening,
people's lives are falling apart outside. -
2:51 - 2:53You're losing your job,
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2:53 - 2:54you might be losing your home,
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2:54 - 2:56your children might be taken from you,
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2:56 - 2:58your immigration status
might be jeopardized, -
2:58 - 3:00you might get thrown out of school.
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3:00 - 3:03So it's the damage to you
that's happening in our local jails, -
3:03 - 3:05but it's also what's happening
to you and your family -
3:05 - 3:08and your community
that you've been removed from -
3:08 - 3:09while you're waiting for your trial,
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3:10 - 3:13which, by the way, can take days, weeks
and no exaggeration, can take years. -
3:13 - 3:17MZ: So you explained this sort of
crazy limbo that people are in -
3:17 - 3:20from the TED stage in 2018,
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3:20 - 3:23and I want to just play a quick clip
from that talk that you gave, -
3:23 - 3:25which was incredibly moving.
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3:25 - 3:26Can we play that?
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3:26 - 3:29(Audio: Robin Steinberg TED2018)
It's time to do something big. -
3:29 - 3:31It's time to do something bold.
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3:31 - 3:34It's time to do something ...
maybe audacious? -
3:34 - 3:36(Laughter)
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3:36 - 3:39We want to take our proven
revolving bail-fund model -
3:39 - 3:40that we built in the Bronx
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3:40 - 3:42and spread it across America,
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3:42 - 3:44attacking the front-end
of the legal system -
3:44 - 3:46before incarceration begins.
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3:46 - 3:48(Applause)
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3:48 - 3:52MZ: The energy in the room
when you gave your talk was palpable, -
3:52 - 3:56and it ended up getting you
quite a bit of funding -
3:56 - 3:57from the Audacious Project,
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3:57 - 4:01which is TED's initiative to get
some of these big ideas support -
4:01 - 4:04to make them actually happen.
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4:04 - 4:07Can you explain what has happened
since you gave your talk? -
4:07 - 4:08RS: Sure.
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4:08 - 4:10So, the Audacious grant allowed us
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4:10 - 4:12to take our proven concept
and to scale it. -
4:12 - 4:17And the idea is that we are scaling
this model across the country. -
4:17 - 4:20We're currently in 18 different sites.
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4:20 - 4:22And we are doing two things, right?
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4:22 - 4:25The Bail Project is designed both,
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4:25 - 4:28provide an immediate lifeline
for folks that are stuck in jail cells -
4:28 - 4:29simply because of poverty,
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4:29 - 4:31because they can't pay their bail,
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4:31 - 4:35and that's a response
to the immediate direct emergency -
4:35 - 4:38and human rights crisis
that we have in this country -
4:38 - 4:39around pretrial incarceration.
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4:39 - 4:42But the second thing we're trying to do
is we're testing a model -
4:42 - 4:45that we call community release
with voluntary supports. -
4:45 - 4:47And what we're trying to prove is,
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4:47 - 4:48A: you don't need cash bail,
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4:48 - 4:50people will come back to court
without cash bail. -
4:50 - 4:53That myth has already been debunked
and we know that. -
4:53 - 4:54But we're also trying to model
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4:54 - 4:57you can actually release people
back to their communities -
4:57 - 4:59with effective court notifications.
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4:59 - 5:01Make sure they're connected
to services they might need. -
5:01 - 5:04And people will come back to court
while their cases are open, -
5:04 - 5:06and until those cases close.
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5:06 - 5:10It is in an effort to move policy forward,
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5:10 - 5:12to ensure the systemic change happens,
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5:12 - 5:13but here's our fear:
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5:13 - 5:15it's a race against time.
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5:15 - 5:17Because as this conversation
picks up speed, -
5:17 - 5:20and as bail reform begins to take hold,
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5:20 - 5:23some systems will move to new systems
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5:23 - 5:26that we fear will recreate
some of the same harms, right, -
5:26 - 5:28that the initial bail system [created].
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5:28 - 5:30Those are racial disparities,
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5:30 - 5:32economic inequality,
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5:32 - 5:35and we can actually recreate that
if we don't get this right. -
5:35 - 5:37And so we're in a race against time
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5:37 - 5:40to prove that you can do
a community-based model -
5:40 - 5:43that doesn't require electronic monitoring
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5:43 - 5:47or risk algorithms
or jail cells or cash bail, -
5:47 - 5:50but that you can simply release people
to communities with supports. -
5:50 - 5:52And that will work.
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5:52 - 5:55MZ: I want to come back to that
in a minute, but before we do that, -
5:55 - 5:57my background is as a tech journalist,
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5:57 - 5:59and when you talk about
scaling a program like this, -
5:59 - 6:02I can only assume that you are facing
completely different challenges -
6:02 - 6:06than, say, a founder of an app
or a platform or something like that. -
6:06 - 6:07What are the challenges?
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6:07 - 6:10I mean, you're going to states
with different laws, -
6:10 - 6:12each city must be so completely different.
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6:12 - 6:14How do you do it?
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6:14 - 6:18RS: So you know, scaling
the revolving bail fund itself, -
6:18 - 6:20that's been the easy,
elegant solution, right? -
6:20 - 6:22That's the easy part,
that's direct service part, -
6:22 - 6:24we can scale that across the country.
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6:24 - 6:25The ground game,
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6:25 - 6:29the teams that work as bail disruptors
for the Bail Project -
6:29 - 6:31at different locations across the country,
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6:31 - 6:32they have to take our model
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6:32 - 6:35and adapt it to the unique needs
of each jurisdiction. -
6:35 - 6:38And that's where it becomes complex,
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6:38 - 6:40and it's very resource intensive,
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6:40 - 6:43because criminal justice
is incredibly local, -
6:43 - 6:46and so how each system operates is unique.
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6:46 - 6:48And what the needs of our clients are
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6:48 - 6:51are incredibly different
from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. -
6:51 - 6:53So you can be in Oklahoma
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6:53 - 6:56and what you know is that communities
have been ravaged by the opioid crisis, -
6:56 - 6:58and when we're bringing people home,
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6:58 - 7:01we have to connect them to services
that might address that. -
7:01 - 7:02When you're in Spokane,
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7:02 - 7:04you're talking about an epidemic
of homelessness. -
7:04 - 7:08So when you're thinking about providing
direct services and bringing people home, -
7:08 - 7:11you have to be mindful of the fact
that in that jurisdiction -
7:11 - 7:13that may be the biggest
obstacle for people, -
7:13 - 7:15is that they don't have shelter.
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7:15 - 7:18And so we need to adapt our model
in every jurisdiction we go to -
7:18 - 7:20to address the needs of that community.
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7:20 - 7:22MZ: I could only assume
that some of these communities -
7:22 - 7:24are not so happy that you're there.
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7:24 - 7:26That must be a reality of it.
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7:26 - 7:29Do you have to win
hearts and minds as well, -
7:29 - 7:30in some of these places?
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7:30 - 7:33RS: So I think it depends
on the definition of community. -
7:33 - 7:36So communities that have been targeted
by our criminal legal system -
7:36 - 7:38for generations,
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7:38 - 7:40communities of color,
low-income communities, -
7:40 - 7:42marginalized communities,
women across the country, -
7:42 - 7:45they are more than happy to see us come,
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7:45 - 7:47because we are just an immediate lifeline.
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7:47 - 7:50Bail funds are a tool to get people out
as an immediate lifeline, -
7:50 - 7:53it's not a long-term,
systemic answer, right? -
7:53 - 7:55But people are, of course,
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7:55 - 7:57they want to get out,
go back to their families, -
7:57 - 7:59their communities want them home.
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7:59 - 8:00Has there been some opposition?
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8:00 - 8:02Sure, of course.
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8:02 - 8:04You know, when we go into a new site,
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8:04 - 8:06we do so carefully,
we prospect it carefully, -
8:06 - 8:09we try to understand
who are our partners on the ground -
8:09 - 8:11that might help us in this initiative,
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8:11 - 8:13grassroots organizers,
not-for-profit organizations, -
8:13 - 8:15systems holders, sheriffs, right?
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8:15 - 8:18Who is going to support us
and who our opposition might be. -
8:18 - 8:21MZ: You also put some of the people
that you bail out, -
8:21 - 8:24you bring them back, right,
as program officers. -
8:24 - 8:25Is that part of the system
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8:25 - 8:31that you're trying to make a community
around your efforts in some way? -
8:31 - 8:34RS: So when we're hiring
for local jurisdictions, -
8:34 - 8:35we always hire locally.
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8:35 - 8:37If we open a site in Baton Rouge,
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8:37 - 8:40we hire people from Baton Rouge
and are connected to the community. -
8:40 - 8:42We try to prioritize people
with lived experience -
8:42 - 8:44in the criminal legal system,
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8:44 - 8:47or people who have been
personally impacted by the system. -
8:47 - 8:49We think it's important,
they understand the system best, -
8:49 - 8:53they have the best solutions
because they're closest to the problem -
8:53 - 8:55and they're credible
messengers for the clients -
8:55 - 8:58that we're going to be interviewing
and providing bail for. -
8:58 - 8:59MZ: So you touched on this,
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8:59 - 9:01criminal justice reform
has become a hot topic, -
9:01 - 9:05you must be like, "Yay, finally
people are talking about this thing -
9:05 - 9:07that I've been banging on
about for decades." -
9:07 - 9:11Here in California actually,
though, there has been a big change. -
9:11 - 9:13Now it's complicated,
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9:13 - 9:16but my understanding is
that they're getting rid of cash bail. -
9:16 - 9:19Good thing, bad thing,
not quite that simple to explain? -
9:19 - 9:21RS: So everything
about criminal justice reform, -
9:21 - 9:23and particularly bail reform,
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9:23 - 9:25is way more complex than it looks, right?
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9:25 - 9:28So it's easy to have a hashtag
that says "end cash bail." -
9:28 - 9:29Totally right.
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9:29 - 9:32We have to eliminate
unaffordable cash bail forever. -
9:32 - 9:34We know money isn't
what makes people come back, -
9:34 - 9:36it's a myth, let's get rid of it.
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9:36 - 9:39But the question about what comes next
is very, very complex, -
9:39 - 9:40and California was a good example.
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9:40 - 9:43There was a bill that worked its way
through the political process, -
9:44 - 9:45called SB 10.
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9:45 - 9:47It started out as what looked like a bill
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9:47 - 9:49that would actually move
towards more decarceration. -
9:50 - 9:52By the time it came out
of the political process, -
9:52 - 9:55frankly it was a bill that almost nobody
in the community would support, -
9:55 - 9:57including the Bail Project.
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9:57 - 10:00And it had gone through
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10:00 - 10:02some changes in that process
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10:02 - 10:06that placed, you know, pretrial services
in the hands of law enforcement, -
10:06 - 10:08that put people through risk algorithms,
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10:08 - 10:11that sort of had a lot
of the telltale signs of a system -
10:11 - 10:16that was going to recreate the same
racial inequity and economic inequalities -
10:16 - 10:17that we had always seen,
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10:17 - 10:20and so, that bill actually
moved through the process, -
10:20 - 10:22and we thought that was the end.
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10:22 - 10:26But then the bail bond industry
actually got 400,000 signatures -
10:26 - 10:28to put it on the ballot.
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10:28 - 10:30So in November,
Californians will be voting -
10:30 - 10:32on whether or not SB 10
should go forward or not. -
10:32 - 10:36MZ: So Californians in the audience,
you will be voting on this. -
10:36 - 10:38How should they vote?
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10:38 - 10:42RS: So I'm not so bold as to say that.
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10:42 - 10:44I may be audacious,
but I'm not that audacious. -
10:44 - 10:47But what I will say is,
educate yourselves. -
10:47 - 10:49Understand what you're voting on.
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10:49 - 10:52Understand what it means
to hold somebody in jail -
10:52 - 10:54who hasn't been convicted of a crime
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10:54 - 10:56simply for their poverty, right?
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10:56 - 11:00And ask yourselves, do we want to have
a criminal legal system -
11:00 - 11:05that incarcerates people
before they've been convicted of a crime? -
11:05 - 11:07Do we want to have a criminal legal system
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11:07 - 11:09that continues to target
communities of color -
11:09 - 11:11and low-income communities
across this country, -
11:11 - 11:13do we want to continue
the damage and the devastation -
11:14 - 11:16that we have created
through mass incarceration? -
11:16 - 11:18So I'm not taking position
on which way you should vote, -
11:18 - 11:20but take that into account.
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11:20 - 11:23MZ: She told me backstage,
"I'm not sure how I'm going to vote yet." -
11:23 - 11:27I mean, it's that difficult, right?
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11:27 - 11:29RS: Well, it's a little more complicated.
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11:29 - 11:31It's the form of SB 10 as it exists
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11:31 - 11:35is not a bill that most of us
would support, right? -
11:35 - 11:38But eliminating cash bail is critical.
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11:38 - 11:41MZ: Alright, I want you
to forecast into the future. -
11:41 - 11:44What does an ideal system look like?
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11:44 - 11:48You have said that America
is addicted to incarceration. -
11:48 - 11:50Does there have to be
a cultural shift around that -
11:50 - 11:54in addition to making some of the changes
that you're talking about? -
11:54 - 11:58RS: So, you know, we have to reckon
with what we've done. -
11:58 - 12:00If we don't face head-on
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12:00 - 12:02how we've used our criminal legal system,
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12:02 - 12:05and who we have targeted,
and how we've defined crime, -
12:05 - 12:07and how we punish people,
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12:07 - 12:08we're never going to move forward.
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12:08 - 12:11So we are going to have to reckon
with the harm that we've caused. -
12:11 - 12:15And in so doing, we're going to
have to shift our lens. -
12:15 - 12:17And that's a real challenge for us, right?
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12:17 - 12:19We're going to have to shift our lens
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12:19 - 12:25from a system that's about punishment
and cruelty and isolation -
12:25 - 12:27and cages
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12:27 - 12:28to a lens of,
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12:28 - 12:31"What do you need, how can we support,
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12:31 - 12:33where have we failed,
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12:33 - 12:35how can we make that better,
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12:35 - 12:37how can we restore and how can we heal?"
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12:37 - 12:40And if we aren't willing to do that,
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12:40 - 12:43criminal justice reform
is going to be stalled, -
12:43 - 12:45or what comes next
is going to be really problematic. -
12:46 - 12:48It is a fundamental shift
in the way that we see -
12:48 - 12:50our criminal justice system.
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12:50 - 12:51And make no mistake about it,
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12:51 - 12:53the context of our criminal legal system
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12:53 - 12:57is we have turned our back
on social problems, right? -
12:57 - 12:59So we have turned our backs
on homelessness -
12:59 - 13:02and dire poverty and structural racism
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13:02 - 13:04and mental health challenges
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13:04 - 13:05and addiction
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13:05 - 13:07and even immigration status.
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13:07 - 13:11And instead, we have used our jails
and our criminal legal system, right, -
13:11 - 13:13to answer those problems.
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13:13 - 13:15And that has to change.
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13:15 - 13:17MZ: It's not the answer.
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13:17 - 13:21RS: We have done damage
to millions of people -
13:21 - 13:23and in so doing,
we have harmed their families -
13:23 - 13:25and we have harmed their communities,
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13:25 - 13:26and we need to reckon with that.
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13:26 - 13:28MZ: So I want to ask you finally --
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13:28 - 13:33(Applause)
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13:34 - 13:38You've got some of the smartest
women in the world here, -
13:38 - 13:40surrounding you.
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13:40 - 13:41They're energized,
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13:41 - 13:43they want to know
what to do with that energy -
13:44 - 13:45when they go back to their communities.
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13:45 - 13:50And actually I know you took some of them
to see a local jail yesterday, right? -
13:50 - 13:51RS: I did.
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13:51 - 13:52MZ: Can you tell us about that?
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13:52 - 13:54RS: So, here's what we need to understand.
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13:54 - 13:57This problem is all of our problems.
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13:57 - 13:59Each and every one of us is implicated
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13:59 - 14:02in what our criminal
legal system looks like. -
14:02 - 14:03There is no escaping that.
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14:03 - 14:04It reflects each of us.
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14:04 - 14:07Every time a prosecutor gets up and says,
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14:07 - 14:11"The people of the state of California"
or "New York" or "Idaho," -
14:11 - 14:13they are speaking in your names.
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14:13 - 14:15So we have to take
some ownership over this. -
14:15 - 14:18And we really have to own the fact
that this has to change -
14:18 - 14:20and this implicates every one of us.
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14:20 - 14:22So what you need to do, is as I said,
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14:22 - 14:25you need to get educated,
you also need to get proximate to this. -
14:25 - 14:27And by getting proximate,
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14:27 - 14:30I mean you need to go and see
how our criminal legal system operates. -
14:30 - 14:32That may mean go to a local
criminal courthouse, -
14:32 - 14:34sit in the back of a courtroom,
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14:34 - 14:36and I promise you will never be the same,
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14:36 - 14:39it's what made me become
a public defender all those years ago. -
14:39 - 14:42And yesterday, I took a bunch of people
from the TED conference -
14:42 - 14:43to the local jail here.
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14:44 - 14:47I have been coming in
and out of jails for 38 years. -
14:47 - 14:49And I have never not been shocked,
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14:49 - 14:51and yesterday was no exception.
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14:51 - 14:53I was shocked, I was horrified.
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14:53 - 14:57The conditions were dehumanizing
and degrading and horrifying -- -
14:57 - 14:58and incomprehensible
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14:58 - 15:01if you don't actually see it
with your eyes. -
15:01 - 15:03It was shocking.
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15:03 - 15:06And I saw it on the faces
of the people that I was with. -
15:06 - 15:10So we have to know that's what we're doing
in the name of justice in this country -
15:10 - 15:11and stand up against it.
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15:11 - 15:13But the only way you're going to do that
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15:13 - 15:18is if you fight back the narrative
of fear that enables that to happen. -
15:18 - 15:19And what do I mean by that?
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15:19 - 15:22I promise you, every single time
you get into a conversation -
15:22 - 15:24about bail reform
or criminal justice reform, -
15:24 - 15:26here's what happens:
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15:26 - 15:28everybody starts talking
about the scary case. -
15:28 - 15:31"But what about the guy who did X?"
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15:31 - 15:33So here's what I'm here -- to rest --
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15:33 - 15:37Just have you rest a little bit
and sit with this, right? -
15:37 - 15:40Despite the fact that we have used
our criminal legal system -
15:40 - 15:42and destroyed millions of people,
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15:42 - 15:43that we have harmed people,
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15:43 - 15:46exposed them to trauma and violence,
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15:46 - 15:48day after day after day,
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15:48 - 15:51the truth is, when people come home,
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15:51 - 15:53bad things happen rarely.
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15:53 - 15:56It is the exception, not the rule.
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15:56 - 16:00It is the extraordinary, not the normal.
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16:00 - 16:01But if you don't know that,
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16:01 - 16:03if you don't hold on to that,
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16:03 - 16:06if you can't support that
with data, which we can, -
16:06 - 16:08you will be drawn
into the narrative of fear -
16:08 - 16:10that will lead us to justify
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16:10 - 16:12the kinds of horrors we have inflicted
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16:12 - 16:15upon communities of color
and low-income communities -
16:15 - 16:17and people that become
ensnared in our criminal legal system -
16:18 - 16:19for far too long.
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16:19 - 16:20So get educated --
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16:20 - 16:25(Applause)
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16:25 - 16:27Get educated, proximate, stay vigilant,
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16:27 - 16:29do not be drawn
into the narratives of fear, -
16:29 - 16:33which are wildly and grossly
racialized anyway. -
16:33 - 16:34Check it when you hear it,
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16:34 - 16:37question it when somebody says it to you,
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16:37 - 16:39ask for the data,
"Why do you say that," right? -
16:39 - 16:41And don't get drawn into that.
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16:41 - 16:43And if you do,
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16:43 - 16:44I'm actually convinced
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16:44 - 16:48that we're at a moment where we will build
a better criminal legal system. -
16:48 - 16:50If you get proximate to this
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16:50 - 16:52and you actually begin to engage in it,
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16:52 - 16:55we will not only be a better country,
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16:55 - 16:57each of us will be better people.
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16:57 - 16:59And that is a worthy goal.
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16:59 - 17:00MZ: It's a very worthy goal.
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17:00 - 17:05(Applause)
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17:05 - 17:09I mean, did I hit the jackpot
with my first interview, or what? -
17:09 - 17:11She is badass.
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17:11 - 17:14Robin Steinberg, the Bail Project,
thank you so much. -
17:14 - 17:16RS: Thanks.
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17:16 - 17:17MZ: I'm Manoush Zomorodi,
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17:17 - 17:20I'm the new host of the TED Radio Hour,
and I'll see you in the spring. -
17:20 - 17:25(Applause)
- Title:
- How The Bail Project is reforming criminal justice in the US
- Speaker:
- Robin Steinberg, Manoush Zomorodi
- Description:
-
Nearly half a million people in the US are in jail right now without being convicted of a crime, simply because they can't come up with the money to pay cash bail. To try and fix this system, public defender and activist Robin Steinberg asked a straightforward question: What if we paid bail for them? In conversation with TED Radio Hour host Manoush Zomorodi, Steinberg shares how her nonprofit The Bail Project -- which uses a revolving fund to post bail for those who can't afford it -- is scaling up their efforts across the country and rolling out a new community-based model to fight mass incarceration. (This ambitious plan is part of the Audacious Project, TED's initiative to inspire and fund global change.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 17:38
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