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- [Carter] The fact that a person
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has deep religious convictions
doesn't necessarily mean
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that person always
thinks that he's right,
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that God's ordained him to
take a dominant position.
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Although I have prayed a good bit, and do,
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I've never asked God
to let me be President.
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- [Moyers] Just to win
the nomination? (laughter)
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- [Carter] I've never asked God to let me
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win a single nomination.
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Never.
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- [Moyers] Why not be
a pastor or a bishop,
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and not a President?
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- [Carter] (laughs) You've read my book.
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This came up early in my life.
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You know, I got home from the Navy,
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and I was thinking about
running for the Georgia Senate.
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We had a visiting pastor,
and he was giving me
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a hard time about going into politics.
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He said, "It's a disgraceful
profession, stay out of it."
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I got angry, and I turned to
him and kind of lashed back.
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I said, "How would you like to be a pastor
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"of a church with 80,000 members?"
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Because there were 80,000 people
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in this state Senate district.
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I don't look on the
Presidency as a pastorate.
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- [Moyer] I was going to
ask you if the President
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was a pastor of 230 million.
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- [Carter] No, although
Teddy Roosevelt said
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that it's a bully-pulpit.
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But, no, I don't look on it
with religious connotations.
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But it gives me a chance to serve,
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and it also gives me a chance to magnify
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whatever influence I have,
either for good or bad,
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and I hope it will be for the good.
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- [Moyer] Gives you power, too.
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- [Carter] And power.
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- [Moyer] You have been
searching for power
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for the last ten years.
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- [Carter] Well, I can't deny it.
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- [Moyer] Do you need power?
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- [Carter] Well, I think so.
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Not as an unfulfilled,
all-obsessive hunger, no.
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I feel powerful enough
now, and secure enough now,
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wealthy enough now.
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I have a good family life now.
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But I like to have a chance to
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change things that I don't like,
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and to correct inequities
as I discern them,
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and to be a strong spokesman
for those that are not strong.
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So, I can't deny that one of the purposes
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that I want to be President
is to have power, yes.
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I remember that when I was a small child,
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my life was spent in
a fairly isolated way,
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out in the woods and in the
streams and swamps and fields.
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Plains was the nearest
town, population of 600.
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We didn't have electricity
or running water,
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but we didn't suffer.
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I led a sheltered life.
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My mom and my daddy were always there.
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Home was always a haven.
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I didn't have but one desire,
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or aspiration that I can remember,
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and that is going to the Naval Academy.
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Nobody in my father's family had ever
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finished high school before I did.
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I put into commission, as a
pre-commission crew chief,
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the first ship the Navy
built after the Second War
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and then I went in the first
nuclear submarine program.
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You know, the choice
jobs in the whole Navy.
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Then my father had terminal cancer,
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and I had to go home to be with him
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about the last month of his life.
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I hadn't seen him since
I was about 17 years old.
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This was ten, twelve years later.
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- [Moyer] Did you regret
that those last eleven years
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of your father's life you had really
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not been in close touch with him?
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- [Carter] Well, I would like,
obviously, in retrospect,
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to have been more with my father.
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I never thought he would die so young,
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but I've never regretted a
day that I served in the Navy.
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That was an opportunity
for me that paid off
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and I had a chance to travel extensively.
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I read and studied everything
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from music, drama, art, and so forth.
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I stretched my mind,
had a great challenge,
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and I never had any regret.
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- [Moyer] Do you think
this is a just society?
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- [Carter] No, no, I don't.
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I think one of the major
responsibilities I have
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as a leader and as a potential leader
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is to try to establish justice
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and that applies to a
broad gamut of things:
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international affairs, peace, equality,
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elimination of injustice in tax programs,
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in our criminal justice
system and so forth.
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It's not a crusade.
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It's just common sense.
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There's only one person in this nation
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that can speak with a clear
voice to the American people.
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There's only one person
that can set a standard
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of ethics and morality and
excellence and greatness
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or call on the American
people to make a sacrifice,
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or answer difficult questions,
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or propose and carry out bold programs,
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or to provide for a defense posture
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that would make us feel secure,
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a foreign policy that would
make us proud once again,
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and that's the President.
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In the absence of that leadership,
there is no leadership,
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and the country drifts.
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So strong President, yes,
but an autocratic President,
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or an imperial Presidency, no.
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- [Moyer] You think that day's over?
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- [Carter] Yes, it's over.
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- [Moyer] What do you
want for your children
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that you didn't have?
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- [Carter] Well, I have to say that I had
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almost everything that
I could have needed.
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I worked hard when I was a little child,
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but I'm proud of It.
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I lived in an isolated area
when I was a little child,
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but I’m proud of it.
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I had a stability there.
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When things started going
wrong in my own life,
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my mother and father were there,
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and my sisters and brothers were there,
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my church was there and
my community was there.
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That never did change.
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Never has changed, yet.
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In the modern day world,
you don't have that.
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It's a mobile world and things to cling to
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are kind of scarce and
few and far between.
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I wouldn't swap the life I had
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for the new, modern, fast-moving,
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open, non-structured, minimal family life.
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Which Is best, I don't know.
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We can keep the advantages
of the modern world,
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but going back to those
principles that give stability
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are things that we're still searching for.
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We haven't found them yet.
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