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How we can start winning the war against cancer | Adam de la Zerda | TEDxStanford

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    "We're declaring war against cancer,
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    and we will win this war by 2015."
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    This is what the US Congress
    and the National Cancer Institute declared
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    just a few years ago, in 2003.
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    Now, I don't know about you,
    but I don't buy that.
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    I don't think we quite won this war yet,
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    and I don't think
    anyone here will question that.
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    Now, I will argue that a primary reason
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    why we're not winning
    this war against cancer
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    is because we're fighting blindly.
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    I'm going to start by sharing with you
    a story about a good friend of mine.
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    His name is Ehud,
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    and a few years ago,
    Ehud was diagnosed with brain cancer.
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    And not just any type of brain cancer:
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    he was diagnosed with one
    of the most deadly forms of brain cancer.
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    In fact, it was so deadly
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    that the doctors told him
    that they only have 12 months,
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    and during those 12 months,
    they have to find a treatment.
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    They have to find a cure,
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    and if they cannot
    find a cure, he will die.
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    Now, the good news, they said,
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    is that there are tons
    of different treatments to choose from,
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    but the bad news is
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    that in order for them to tell
    if a treatment is even working or not,
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    well, that takes them
    about three months or so.
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    So they cannot try that many things.
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    Well, Ehud is now going
    into his first treatment,
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    and during that first treatment,
    just a few days into that treatment,
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    I'm meeting with him, and he tells me,
    "Adam, I think this is working.
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    I think we really lucked out here.
    Something is happening."
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    And I ask him, "Really?
    How do you know that, Ehud?"
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    And he says, "Well,
    I feel so terrible inside.
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    Something's gotta be working up there.
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    It just has to."
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    Well, unfortunately, three months later,
    we got the news, it didn't work.
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    And so Ehud goes
    into his second treatment.
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    And again, the same story.
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    "It feels so bad, something's
    gotta be working there."
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    And then three months later,
    again we get bad news.
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    Ehud is going into his third treatment,
    and then his fourth treatment.
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    And then, as predicted, Ehud dies.
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    Now, when someone really close to you
    is going through such a huge struggle,
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    you get really swamped with emotions.
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    A lot of things
    are going through your head.
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    For me, it was mostly outrage.
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    I was just outraged that, how come
    this is the best that we can offer?
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    And I started looking
    more and more into this.
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    As it turns out, this is not just
    the best that doctors could offer Ehud.
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    It's not just the best doctors could offer
    patients with brain cancer generally.
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    We're actually not doing that well
    all across the board with cancer.
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    I picked up one of those statistics,
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    and I'm sure some of you
    have seen those statistics before.
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    This is going to show you here
    how many patients actually died of cancer,
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    in this case females in the United States,
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    ever since the 1930s.
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    You'll notice that there aren't
    that many things that have changed.
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    It's still a huge issue.
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    You'll see a few changes though.
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    You'll see lung cancer,
    for example, on the rise.
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    Thank you, cigarettes.
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    And you'll also see that,
    for example, stomach cancer
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    once used to be one
    of the biggest killers of all cancers,
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    is essentially eliminated.
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    Now, why is that?
    Anyone knows, by the way?
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    Why is it that humanity is no longer
    struck by stomach cancer?
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    What was the huge, huge
    medical technology breakthrough
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    that came to our world
    that saved humanity from stomach cancer?
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    Was it maybe a new drug,
    or a better diagnostic?
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    You guys are right, yeah.
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    It's the invention of the refrigerator,
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    and the fact that we're
    no longer eating spoiled meats.
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    So the best thing
    that happened to us so far
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    in the medical arena in cancer research
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    is the fact that
    the refrigerator was invented.
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    (Laughter)
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    And so -- yeah, I know.
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    We're not doing so well here.
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    I don't want to miniaturize the progress
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    and everything that's been done
    in cancer research.
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    Look, there is like 50-plus years
    of good cancer research
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    that discovered major, major things
    that taught us about cancer.
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    But all that said,
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    we have a lot of heavy lifting
    to still do ahead of us.
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    Again, I will argue that the primary
    reason why this is the case,
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    why we have not done that remarkably well,
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    is really we're fighting blindly here.
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    And this is where
    medical imaging comes in.
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    This is where my own work comes in.
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    And so to give you a sense
    of the best medical imaging
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    that's offered today
    to brain cancer patients,
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    or actually generally
    to all cancer patients,
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    take a look at this PET scan right here.
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    Let's see. There we go.
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    So this is a PET/CT scan,
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    and what you'll see in this PET/CT scan
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    is the CT scan will show you
    where the bones are,
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    and the PET scan will show you
    where tumors are.
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    Now, what you can see here
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    is essentially a sugar molecule
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    that was added a small little tag
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    that is signaling to us
    outside of the body,
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    "Hey, I'm here."
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    And those sugar molecules are injected
    into these patients by the billions,
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    and they're going all over the body
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    looking for cells
    that are hungry for sugar.
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    You'll see that the heart,
    for example, lights up there.
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    That's because the heart
    needs a lot of sugar.
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    You'll also see that the bladder
    lights up there.
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    That's because the bladder
    is the thing that's clearing
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    the sugar away from our body.
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    And then you'll see a few other hot spots,
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    and these are in fact the tumors.
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    Now, this is a really
    a wonderful technology.
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    For the first time it allowed us
    to look into someone's body
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    without picking up
    each and every one of the cells
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    and putting them under the microscope,
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    but in a noninvasive way
    allowing us to look into someone's body
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    and ask, "Hey,
    has the cancer metastasized?
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    Where is it?"
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    And the PET scans here
    are showing you very clearly
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    where are these hot spots,
    where is the tumor.
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    So as miraculous as this might seem,
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    unfortunately, well, it's not that great.
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    You see, those
    small little hot spots there.
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    Can anyone guess how many cancer cells
    are in any one of these tumors?
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    So it's about 100 million cancer cells,
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    and let me make sure
    that this number sunk in.
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    In each and every one
    of these small little blips
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    that you're seeing on the image,
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    there needs to be
    at least 100 million cancer cells
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    in order for it to be detected.
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    Now, if that seemed to you
    like a very large number,
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    it is a very large number.
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    This is in fact
    an incredibly large number,
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    because what we really need
    in order to pick up something early enough
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    to do something about it,
    to do something meaningful about it,
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    well, we need to pick up tumors
    that are a thousand cells in size,
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    and ideally just
    a handful of cells in size.
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    So we're clearly
    pretty far away from this.
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    So we're going to play
    a little experiment here.
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    I'm going to ask each of you
    to now play and imagine
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    that you are brain surgeons.
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    And you guys are now at an operating room,
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    and there's a patient in front of you,
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    and your task is to make sure
    that the tumor is out.
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    So you're looking down at the patient,
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    the skin and the skull
    have already been removed,
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    so you're looking at the brain.
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    And all you know about this patient
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    is that there's a tumor
    about the size of a golf ball or so
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    in the right frontal lobe
    of this person's brain.
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    And that's more or less it.
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    So you're looking down, and unfortunately
    everything looks the same,
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    because brain cancer tissue
    and healthy brain tissue
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    really just look the same.
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    And so you're going in with your thumb,
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    and you start to press
    a little bit on the brain,
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    because tumors tend to be
    a little harder, stiffer,
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    and so you go in and go
    a little bit like this and say,
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    "It seems like the tumor is right there."
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    Then you take out your knife
    and start cutting the tumor
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    piece by piece by piece,
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    and as you're taking the tumor out,
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    then you're getting
    to a stage where you think,
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    "All right, I'm done.
    I took out everything."
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    And at this stage, if that's --
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    so far everything sounded,
    like, pretty crazy --
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    you're now about to face the most
    challenging decision of your life here.
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    Because now you need to decide,
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    should I stop here
    and let this patient go,
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    risking that there might be
    some leftover cancer cells behind
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    that I just couldn't see,
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    or should I take away some extra margins,
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    typically about an inch or so
    around the tumor
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    just to be sure that I removed everything?
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    So this is not a simple decision to make,
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    and unfortunately this is the decision
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    that brain cancer surgeons
    have to take every single day
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    as they're seeing their patients.
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    And so I remember talking
    to a few friends of mine in the lab,
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    and we say, "Boy,
    there's got to be a better way."
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    But not just like you tell a friend
    that there's got to be a better way.
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    There's just got to be a better way here.
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    This is just incredible.
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    And so we looked back.
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    Remember those PET scans I told you about,
    the sugar and so on.
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    We said, hey, how about
    instead of using sugar molecules,
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    let's maybe take tiny, tiny
    little particles made of gold
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    and let's program them with some
    interesting chemistry around them.
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    Let's program them
    to look for cancer cells.
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    And then we will inject
    these gold particles
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    into these patients by the billions again,
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    and we'll have them go all over the body,
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    and just like secret agents, if you will,
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    go and walk by
    every single cell in our body
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    and knock on the door of that cell,
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    and ask, "Are you a cancer cell
    or are you a healthy cell?
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    If you're a healthy cell, we're moving on.
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    If you're a cancer cell,
    we're sticking in and shining out
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    and telling us,
    "Hey, look at me, I'm here."
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    And they'll do it
    through some interesting cameras
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    that we developed in the lab.
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    And once we see that,
    maybe we can guide brain cancer surgeons
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    towards taking only the tumor
    and leaving the healthy brain alone.
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    And so we've tested that,
    and boy, this works well.
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    So I'm going to show you an example now.
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    What you're looking at here
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    is an image of a mouse's brain,
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    and we've implanted
    into this mouse's brain
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    a small little tumor.
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    And so this tumor is now
    growing in this mouse's brain,
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    and then we've taken a doctor
    and just asked this doctor
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    to please operate on the mouse
    as if that was a patient,
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    and take out piece by piece
    out of the tumor,
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    and while he's doing that,
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    we're going to take images
    to see where the gold particles are.
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    And so we're going to first start
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    by injecting these gold particles
    into this mouse,
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    and we're going to see
    right here at the very left there
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    that image at the bottom
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    is the image that shows
    where the gold particles are.
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    The nice thing
    is that these gold particles
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    actually made it all the way to the tumor,
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    and then they shine out and tell us,
    "Hey, we're here. Here's the tumor."
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    So now we can see the tumor,
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    but we're not showing this
    to the doctor yet.
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    We're asking the doctor,
    now please start cutting away the tumor,
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    and you'll see here the doctor
    just took the first quadrant of the tumor
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    and you see that first quadrant
    is now missing.
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    The doctor then took
    the second quadrant, the third,
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    and now it appears to be everything.
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    And so at this stage,
    the doctor came back to us and said,
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    "All right, I'm done.
    What do you want me to do?
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    Should I keep things as they are
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    or do you want me to take
    some extra margins around?"
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    And then we said, "Well, hang on."
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    We told the doctor,
    "You've missed those two spots,
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    so rather than taking huge margins around,
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    only take out those tiny little areas.
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    Take them out,
    and then let's take a look."
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    And so the doctor took them away,
    and lo and behold,
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    the cancer is now completely gone.
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    Now, the important thing
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    is that it's not just
    that the cancer is completely gone
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    from this person's brain,
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    or from this mouse's brain.
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    The most important thing
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    is that we did not have to take
    huge amounts of healthy brain
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    in the process.
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    And so now we can actually imagine a world
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    where doctors and surgeons,
    as they take away a tumor,
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    they actually know what to take out,
    and they no longer have to guess.
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    Now, here's why it's extremely important
    to take those tiny little leftover tumors.
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    Those leftover tumors,
    even if it's just a handful of cells,
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    they will grow to recur the tumor,
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    for the tumor to come back.
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    In fact, the reason why 80 to 90 percent
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    of those brain cancer surgeries
    ultimately fail
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    is because of those small little
    extra margins that were left positive,
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    those small little leftover tumors
    that were left there.
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    So this is clearly very nice,
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    but what I really want to share with you
    is where I think we're heading from here.
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    And so in my lab at Stanford,
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    my students and I are asking,
    what should we be working on now?
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    And I think where
    medical imaging is heading to
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    is the ability to look into the human body
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    and actually see each and every one
    of these cells separately.
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    The ability like this would allow us
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    to actually pick up tumors
    way, way earlier in the process,
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    way before it's 100 million cells inside,
    so we can actually do something about it.
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    An ability to see each and every one
    of the cells might also allow us
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    to ask insightful questions.
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    So in the lab,
    we are now getting to a point
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    where we can actually start asking
    these cancer cells real questions,
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    like, for example, are you responding
    to the treatment we are giving you or not?
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    So if you're not responding, we'll know
    to stop the treatment right away,
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    days into the treatment, not three months.
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    And so also for patients like Ehud
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    that are going through these
    nasty, nasty chemotherapy drugs,
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    for them not to suffer
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    through those horrendous
    side effects of the drugs
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    when the drugs are
    in fact not even helping them.
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    So to be frank here,
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    we're pretty far away
    from winning the war against cancer,
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    just to be realistic.
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    But at least I am hopeful
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    that we should be able to fight this war
    with better medical imaging techniques
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    in the way that is not blind.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
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