3-9-20 City Council

what a welcome everybody here this

afternoon

I'm sure you're all here for the

municipal housing agency governing

permitting which starts right now

I will we'll call the meeting to order

and I will ask the clerk to please take

role just a moment I'm trying to get Joe

on the line okay so let me hear me hear

me I can't okay okay we're ready take

roll please I'm here all right Tony here

Bobo's in here mandelbaum use this

Westergaard here boss here great here

Gatto here

all right we have a quorum the second

item on our agenda is approving the

agenda as presented and/or as amended

another for now right all in favor say

aye

proposed yeah Adam passes item three is

the setting the date of hearing on items

regarding the budget for 3:23 of 20 this

is board communication number 20 - 125 a

under that is the amendments on the

annual budget for the current fiscal

year ending June 30 of 2020 and B is on

the proposed budget for the fiscal year

ending June 30 of 2021 unless does

anybody on the board have any questions

or anyone the audience now all right

and I think we'll ask everybody to vote

on this one please

Joe hello yes mr. mayor thank you

seven yes motion carries item four is a

motion to adjourn

somebody give us that on that all right

all in favor say aye

opposed all right we we sit adjourn the

City Council meeting will start in just

a moment and Linda you can get a drink

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all right want to welcome everybody to

the Des Moines City Council meeting for

March 9th let's call our meeting to

order and I will ask the clerk to please

take role County here we've started this

ok thank you

Mandelbaum here Gatto here Westergaard

here boss here great here we're good we

have a quorum

all right item 2 is approving the agenda

as presented and/or as amended for those

of you who have the agenda in front of

you

item 4 X was withdrawn the inspections

are incomplete

item 23 was corrected his roll call item

26 is withdrawn by the Office of

Economic Development and then the

regular agenda items 38 through 53 item

45 B was added asking for a final

consideration in the ordinance above the

waiver is requested by Frank Levy who's

the president of that organization and

it will require six votes unless anybody

has anything else that's the agenda as

amended

I'll live approval all right all in

favor say aye aye

all right proposed item passes item 3 is

approving the consent agenda and tonight

those are items 3 through 37 and item 5

I vote no item 6c council members gray

and Mandelbaum wish to speak item 20

councilmember bo's'n is going to abstain

as a conflict of interest in item 28

councilmember boss also is going to

abstain he has a conflict of interest

and unless does anybody else have any

other items you want to discuss or poll

does anybody in the audience have

anything you want to pull for additional

love and again this is three through 37

seeing none could we have a motion for

the balance all right then move if

everybody would vote Joe hello yes your

honor all right thank you

seven yes motion carries all right let's

go straight to item 6c item C is these

are public improvements or during

construction the following see is the

drake and bates park water playgrounds

receiving bids 324 of 20 and setting the

date of hearing for for six of 20 and

the engineer's estimate for this

improvement is 1234567

more spray grounds in two of our parks

one in Drake Park and the other baits

which importantly it's also adding these

amenities so that they're more

accessible

all over our community and again they're

just fantastic amenities it would not be

possible given our budget constraints

without the participation and the

generosity of of the Kelly family and I

wanted to acknowledge that and I know

it's going to make a huge difference for

these neighborhood parks so wanted to

just call that out and think that the

Kelly's and encourage moving forward on

this I fall along the same line Sara

Josh

Kelly Foundation really has stepped up

and started to get some things done in

our parks as bed will probably tell you

that we can probably do one splash pad a

year and because of this generous

donation we're going to be able to get

two at the same time and that's pretty

good because you know Bates Park I don't

know if many people sitting in this

audience know where it is is between 6th

and 2nd Avenue on Clark and we have

neglected it for far too long so it's

it's with great pride to see that we're

really getting this park spruced up make

it a place in a neighborhood gathering

place that it always should have been

and keep that the amenities coming so

that people I would like to hang with in

your own neighborhood it's so important

to see that happen in Ben hats off to

you for keeping these public-private

partnerships going getting to on the

same agenda this year is fantastic so

I'd like to move 6c

Joe no yes your honor except these are

points well made this is an important

way we get things done the city and

we've got a lot of families and in in

citizens and businesses that have

stepped up to really make a lot of

difference in this city Thank You mayor

that was seven yes motion carries all

right that completes the consent agenda

that'll take us to ordinances our first

consideration item 38 is amending by

repealing paragraph a of section 58 - 30

they're up and enacting a new paragraph

a to section 58 30 regarding required

qualifications for appointment as an

at-large member of the Historic

Preservation Commission Council

communication number 20 - 120 - he has a

final consideration the ordinance above

the waiver is requested by our own City

Council member Linda Westergaard it will

require six votes and be as a

recommendation from councilmember West

regard to a point

Tiffany Allison to the Historic

Preservation Commission for a three year

term ending October 18th of 2022 I'll

ask if any comments up here from Council

I had some questions in terms of the

language and the potential impact of

that so

and and I think I had a conversation

with the city attorney beforehand

answering some of where it came from

but I actually think some of this

actually makes some of this more

restrictive I know my at-large appointee

currently would not meet at least in my

reading of the language would not meet

the terms of this so I I just and I only

saw it on Thursday but I got a little

bit of concern I'm happy moving it

forward but I am not comfortable moving

this or waiving the second and third

reading until we better understand the

implication of this language and we

understand if all of the current

appointed at large members would meet

the new requirements of the language

because I'm confident that my at-large

member would not and so I don't know if

we would be in a position that this

would actually increase any flexibility

for us right now

I'm I'm fine with not waving it but it

goes back if it's okay for your pointy

to not meet the meet the requirement why

would it not be okay for my appointee to

do it so you know you and I have had

discussions before about boards and

commissions but I'm gonna put somebody

who lives in my ward on the Commission

but well and I'm happy to explain this

because might explain why I think to me

my appointee was not someone that I

appointed that was a legacy appointment

and the new the new language where you

now have a requirement not just for

education but training and experience

this appointee I think met the

qualification based on experience but

not education and training and so what

we are doing with this language change

is now making them one of the non

qualified appointees but you understand

that language those qualifications are

what kept me from being able to appoint

someone to it

III understand that I'm just saying that

there are implications from this

language change that I want to make sure

that we understand and I would say I

commend you for actually working to

change this rather than I think at times

in past practice council members have

encouraged their applicants to be maybe

less than truthful and whether or not

they met qualification not an accusation

because I've never encouraged anybody

that's it I do anything that is not

above what I'm saying that that has been

a practice and it wasn't transparent I

didn't say it was you i commended you

for actually going through what I think

is the proper process when we are not

meeting the code if we don't think the

code is appropriate we should change the

code rather than encourage people

applying to our boards and commissions

to be untruthful or to stretch the truth

so that they are eligible for

appointment and I think at least before

I was on the council

I observe some instances where I think

that happened and that's impacted our

discussion here tonight I'm not aware of

it ever happening but I don't follow

what other council members who they're

going to appoint to their boards I'm

only concerned with my ward and the

pointees that I put and I want to make

sure that war two is well represented

well let's see we've talked about

perhaps on our council work session

April 29th to discuss boards and

commissions

could we forestall this conversation on

this item until we have a chance to

discuss April 29 so that's roughly six

weeks away I'm not willing to make that

okay that amendment to it because I

think it's important that I have

representation on the Historic

Preservation Commission and if we if we

delay it until April 29th then I have to

go through three more readings that's

that much longer that that committee is

without without a representative so I'm

not willing to do that okay I would I

think in this case if it has been I

would suggest that we do that we are not

waive it let's go through the hearing

process so you can get your questions

answered the person you're appointing is

you know great person is not the person

it's the product what how it's impacting

all of it so we have a better

understanding because again we thought I

kind of thought we were going to wait

and do boards and commissions on the

29th that's when we would have more

discussion and I saw this on the agenda

so so I think that what I'm willing to

say let's not waive it let's go through

the process so we get some questions

answered I don't see it waiting till

apart the 29th and I guess my issue is

is you know Josh during re-election you

went out there and made a big deal

because we had not had had board speed

gender balance and I've never been

against gender balance but for this

position

require me to appoint a woman and she

would have to be you know like a

landscape architect and we just keep

narrowing down those qualifications so I

could appoint a man to that to that

position today that would not be a

problem but I know that you wouldn't

approve that either because because

you're the one who's come after me for

not being gender balance so I went to

the city and said okay I want to appoint

this woman I think she would be good and

and I brought it up because I've looked

at qualifications there are many boards

and commissions that have qualifications

and a lot of you have people on there

that don't meet the qualifications so I

don't understand why it's okay for you

but it's not okay for me that's my

question

Linda I just want to follow the code and

quite honestly I don't think you could

make this appointment based on the

changes to the code because of the other

problems that it creates that's my

reading of it and that's why I want to

ask these questions now on the gender

balance piece I've been trying to add a

gender balance requirement to the Park

and Recreation to the park board and to

urban design and review that from a

process perspective we haven't managed

to get a vote on this and then this this

particular item somehow went around the

process so I didn't go around the

process at all Josh I followed the

process completely and I made that

appointment and Roger brown has a letter

in here so I did follow the process I

did exactly what was supposed to be done

we've been delaying these discussions

which is why the gender balance

requirement has not come up for a vote

we've been delaying it till we do boards

and commissions at a work session so it

was a surprise to me and I don't think

it was just me who was surprised to see

this on the agenda that's fine

I'm still going to move item 38 and a

and B your honor please and I don't

think you can move be given the comments

here because you can't make the

appointment under B if a doesn't so if

you want to move 38:13 a and then you

can move thirty-eight be at 38 and 38 a

pass but the the B appointment

Rogers letter makes players can only

happen if 38 and 38 a vote passed and I

need six votes and I probably don't have

six votes I don't know

well so mr. attorney can we pass 38 and

then have additional discussion to

clarify some of these changes for this

particular appointment and continue to

move this thing forward so that

everybody gets I pull I would make a

motion to pass the item 38

and and that's to waive the second third

no it's just just ask the ordinance and

then have another hero's reading okay

got it Joe

hello yes mr. mayor thank you

six yes one no motion carries

okay so we passed thirty-eight first

reading and hopefully we'll get some of

the other questions clarified yep

moved item 39 item 39 chapter 114 in the

misspell code regarding traffic

regulation changes as follows

council communication number 20 - 116

hey it's a code correction to match

field conditions and Holcomb Avenue

between sixth Avenue and the dead-end B

is a code revision related to Hubbell

Avenue reconstruction projects East 38th

Street East Douglas Avenue Kennedy Drive

and Hubbell Avenue in see a code

Corrections related to speed limit and

parking changes on park roads council

any comments here I just have one

comment for the code change code

correction to match field conditions

Holcomb Avenue between sixth Avenue and

the dead-end are you talking about I

think they're talking about West the

dead-end to the west but there's also a

dead-end to the east

there's two dead ends could we hit I

think they're doing to the West but do

we need to have that clarified I mean I

did the man shows to the west yep

but that's not what this says it looks

like it's West yes it does

on the map yes it does but I didn't know

if it needed to be spelled out because

there is a dead end to the east from 6th

Avenue Holcomb there's a dead end on the

east and there's a dead end on the West

Honorable mayor members of City Council

Steve neighbor city engineer thank you

for the question Council Northwest

regard it you are correct it is to the

west of sixth Avenue and so that would

be covered in the ordinance there yeah

yep all right should we correct that and

say 6th Avenue in the dead end to the

west just add to the west yeah you can

this is part of the motion yep okay

anybody in the audience want to make

comment on this one come on most of you

don't know that there's an East okay but

it's not on the the item on the agenda

so that's what we're asking to correct

it thank you I know it is okay anybody

in the audience nobody if we could have

a motion on that I'll never for

all right

Billy's no bushnell okay I hit the wrong

one let's revote okay revote now yes all

right Joe goes yes mr. mayor thank you

seven yes motion carries

all right moves that in 40 is emitting

section 62 point one in 62 - 166 related

to prohibited municipal practices a is

the final consideration in the Orden

some of the waivers requested by the

city manager requires six votes B is

directing the city manager to develop

your request for proposals to determine

best practices for research and data

collection methods concerning law and

code enforcement and to authorize

implementation of such research and data

collection C is directing the city

manager to include implicit bias

training de-escalation training and

cultural competency training in the

employee training and education we're

going to ask if there's anybody that

would like to speak I would we have been

working with our civil and human rights

commission I want to thank them all for

the work that they put forward over the

last couple of years on this not only

moving discussion around this

possibility on 40 relating to these

municipal practices but also working

with the citizenry and having multiple

meetings and I want to thank staff for

doing the same thing and also working on

the the bridging the gap work if is

Cameron here

Cameron Middlebrooks all right we need

to have Cameron come in Cameron if

you're okay I'd like to have you kind of

open and make a couple of statements and

then I'd like manager to make couple and

then we'll open it up for anybody else

good evening everybody or good afternoon

I just wanted to start by saying my

grandmother used to tell me something

all the time she used to tell me you

don't judge man by where he is but you

judge man by how far he's come it's my

opinion that we have come light-years

away from where we were when the first

rendition of this ordinance came into

play I want to send a special thank you

to the organizations that were involved

with bringing this to the forefront then

double ACP they sell you in CCI and many

other individuals and community

organizations for bringing this to the

forefront and remaining steadfast and

seeing this through over four years ago

the n-double-a-cp state conference

boldly introduced an anti racial

profiling bill to the state legislature

and we find many of those components in

the city's ordinance and subsequent

resolutions including

although not limited to the following

the language the band's racial profiling

a process to collect data of police

interactions the creation of a body of

the review set data and current policy

to ensure that we continue to be an

equitable City the simple human rights

committee or Commission had was asked to

review several renditions of this

ordinance over the course of the last

nine months during our open meetings we

discussed with communities feedback and

as well as relayed our discussions with

city stats of the community to the best

of our ability we negotiated what we

thought were the key principle items

received from the community including

those mentioned before the anti racial

profiling ordinance and the resolutions

this sends a request for a proposal for

an outside expert to review our current

policies and procedures in regards to

data collection and offer

recommendations to ensure we collect

data and the best way possible as well

as the creation of the PPR C to review

set data all in all as chair of the

Civil Rights Commission I do feel we've

made a significant progress from where

we started

however I do

believe tonight we will hear from some

organizations that would like to offer a

few tweaks to the proposed package our

Commission is fully behind community

members and organizations advocating for

themselves and not having to rely upon

us with that being said after

discussions with some of the groups I do

believe that these tweets are worth

taking a deeper look into and would

encourage the council to not waive the

three readings of this ordinance I ask

that you take a thoughtful look at the

suggested amendments and we continue to

have further dialogue to make the

ordinance and the supporting resolutions

the best that it can be for now again

this is a positive step in the right

direction but the conversation from

making Des Moines the equitable City

that we all desired it to be does not

end tonight and will not end after this

package is eventually passed in order to

make this city truly equitable the

conversation must persist when talking

about profiling housing education

employment and a plethora of other

issues that continue to exist I

encourage everybody in this room to come

join our City Council and the Des Moines

Silver Human Rights Commission and our

next joint meeting on Thursday when we

talked about some of these added issues

but it is our recommendation from the

Commission that we do not waive the

three readings that we continue to get

dialog from the community members on

some of these tweaks that I think you

all find beneficial and then at the end

of the day we can have consensus from

the community and from the council on

the best anti-retro profiling bill that

we can have thank you Kevin thank you

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mr. manager Thank You mayor and Thank

You Cameron I assumed that we'll

actually see those amendments as the

conversations continue great mayor I

also want to thank several people

because we have spent an awful lot of

time on us and made incredible progress

and clearly a lot more conversation as

needed so let me start by thanking the

civil and human rights commission a

particular cameron Emily and Claudia

because they helped us with the the

actual drafting of some of the language

and refining that and it clearly made

that a better language as well had an

opportunity to meet with several of the

advocacy groups throughout the community

and again through those conversations

we're able to make improvements as well

I hope to continue those conversations

as long as we continue to make progress

one of the concerns as I've expressed to

the council is to not delay the areas

that we know we need to get going on in

particular data collection and so I'm

hopeful that we can continue moving

forward within the RFP portion of this

immediately so that we can get that out

on the street if you will and get

vendors hired so that we can get the

data collection understood and moving

forward quickly so I also want to thank

the chief because I know he and I share

a commitment to continuous improvement

and that's what this is continuing to

improve our Police Department who have

taken a leadership role in designing

training for which other agencies now

utilize and thank us for the work that

our Police Department has done in

putting that train together with

partners at Drake and other institutions

so thank you chief for assisting on that

as well we did have as mentioned I

believe six areas of concern that the

community brought to us and I'm glad to

say tonight we have three of them being

addressed in front of you for votes so

thank you Mary all right well asset

speakers to step up and we would ask

all in LS the the council what do we

think we'll go again with three minutes

each if they want we would request that

that we not be repetitive that we get

new information we want to take a lot of

notes and make sure we are but if

somebody has a point and there's points

of agreement and a lot of you feel that

way why you know we could show hands

that yeah hey we agree with this and do

that as opposed to you know 20 people

standing up and saying the same thing

and I presume that's not going to be

what happens but just with those

directions let's get sorry mr. mayor

city manager but I'm gonna read because

again I ramble if everybody give their

name and address okay mantheon little

Smith 9 26 Oak Ridge Drive Des Moines

503 one four and I'm a member of the CCI

racial justice team and as I stand here

today I'm feeling the weight of the work

that we're doing it's the weight of a

400 year old fight for the safety of

black and brown bodies in this country

and in this community we build every day

on the work of those who come before us

and whose work for equity and justice

make our work today possible and

necessary we still have work to do and

we don't ant exaggerate when we say that

people of color fear police and police

stops in a state of Iowa but today I

celebrate the hard work our community

members over the past two years have

done make no mistake we have reached a

historic victory

the City of Des Moines is considering a

racial profiling ordinance for the first

time this is a win and I feel encouraged

by our first steps for meaningful change

but I'd like to refer to the city

manager Scott Sanders in city legal

Jeffery Lester's letter on March 3rd

despite the fact that the community

CCI ACLU and n-double a-c-p have been

working together with the city on

ordinance language Mr Sanders chose to

send a letter just to one member of our

community cutting the rest of us out of

the communication about his plans to put

the resolutions on the agenda today we

only found out about this move on Friday

we were in the middle of dialogue with

Mr Sanders when he wrote this letter

sending this letter was a divisive and

strategic move to limit our access to

the information and to divide the

community we need to trust that the City

Council will continue working with us

the decision to send this letter out to

the community members is damaging of

that trust in addition this letter

minimizes the experience of black and

brown community members in his letter Mr

Sanders says that City Council positions

have not changed and that the city will

not and I put in quotes randomly

foreclose this valuable and legitimate

as my time up I got a few more I got a

few more meaningful protection stops for

two years we have met with the city

staff and I'm gonna talk fast okay and

the City Council to share stories our

data in our experiences we have

presented anecdotal it's only a few more

statistical evidence our experiences

matter black lives matter and this

policy affects the

Tyrael circumstances of our lives we are

not asking for a random change and we

are telling you there is a poop on our

bat and we're asking you to remove it

still Mr Sanders cautions us on the tone

we use in our work for an ordinance with

teeth threatening that we are hurting

our cause by pushing for solutions we

need we are looking for a meaning

meaningful two-way conversation that

uses the tools of compromise for a

meaningful and equitable outcome we know

that no work can be done on matters that

are about us without us at the table Mr

Sanders letter repeatedly discounts the

experiences and recommendations of

people most affected by the racially

biased policing and threatens that we

are asking for too much this is a huge

impediment to the trust of the community

and no meaningful solutions will be

crafted without the leadership of those

people of color affected by the racial

profiling I look forward to continuing

we can move with this historic work

forward with the community

CCI ACLU and double ACP Mr Sanders and

the City Council thank you

good evening my name is Laurie young I

live at 2707 High Street des Moines Iowa

5:03 one two and I am a proud member of

the racial justice team of Iowa CCI

let me say this is my fifth appearance

before the City Council since March 2018

Iowa CCI has worked tirelessly to gather

the stories and listen to the voices of

our citizens who have been racially

profiled we've been on this journey for

five years but we believe like Martin

Luther King jr. that a threat to justice

anywhere is a threat to justice

everywhere and here in Des Moines the

city I was born in raised in raised my

family in debated and defended critics

over volunteered and served in hasn't

showed justice all the time to people

who look like me but tonight we move

forward we are encouraged by the motion

to pass an ordinance a law that

explicitly bans racial profiling by the

Des Moines police department and all

city employees we are hopeful that

progress continues to be made to make

the ordinance strong and effective at

reducing if not eliminating racially

biased policing but while we are

encouraged and hopeful we are cautiously

optimistic as city manager Scott Sanders

said in his March 3rd letter we are

willing to move forward in good faith

the Bible defines faith as the substance

of things hoped for the evidence of

things not seen so we go from here

having faith that the council and city

leadership and the Des Moines police

department will move this forward with

expediency it's taken two years to get

to this point five years of my life

specifically this is what President

Obama called the fierce urgency of now

let's move forward in good faith with

intentionality priority and expediency

in good faith the community will also

need to see

Transparency as we work to strengthen

this ordinance information data and

reporting should be shared so the trust

and confidence can be restored where

it's currently on life support

Iowa CCI n-double-a-cp ACLU in working

with the city in 2020 must see progress

expediency and transparency where groups

are treated as equal partners in the

discussion and communication is shared

equally the community expects it demands

it and deserves it all in with this

James Baldwin said not everything that

his face can be changed but nothing can

be changed until it is faced Des Moines

City Council city officials you are

finally facing the reality my people

have been living with for decades here

in Des Moines you've seen the data

you've heard the stories and you've

settled way too many lawsuits let's move

forward together in good faith and

create the Des Moines where all citizens

are treated justly and fairly a city

where we all can share a high quality of

life and feel safe let's strengthen the

ordinance in good faith that you say you

are committed to tonight and let's do it

expeditiously and with transparency

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hello mayor councilmembers city manager

I'm the old appearing Des Moines Iowa I

am a member of the CC I racial justice

team do not be fooled by this I'm gonna

make it short and sweet all right I did

Oh what my past are racial justice team

members just said so I'm not just gonna

go out all that you already heard it you

got it let it saturate deep in your

pores what I wanted to say before I

depart from here I want to make an

observation observational item number 38

where I saw a lively discussion between

a council member with 42 and conviction

that's what I'm talking about

I like that so with that same kind of

fortitude and attitude and conviction

let's apply that to this racial

profiling ban look at this energize I

want to see that same kind of energy

with this racial profiling ordinance and

also ditto to the fact of including us

all the community ICC I n-double-a-cp

ACLU we are in this together and let us

continue to have a lively conversation

with conviction and

good evening I'm Daniel Z no policy and

advocacy director at the ACLU of I were

located at 505 5th Avenue Suite 8:08 in

Des Moines ACLU of Iowa once again joins

the call from community members and our

organizational partners for the City

Council to pass a meaningful ordinance

to address the critical and specific

issue of racial profiling and other

important issues racial profiling and

pretextual stops alienate the very

communities the police are supposed to

be protecting and serving they violate

the rights and freedoms of Des Moines

residents and do not make our community

safer

you councilmembers can change that and

we are calling on you to do that

we know that racial profiling does it

only refer to intentional and deliberate

racial profiling but more often than not

is about implicit racial bias devised

that leads officers to be more likely to

perceive a black driver as involved in

drug or gang activity than a white

driver that's one of the issues the

community is asking the council to

address specifically about the the

ordinance and the two resolutions the

ordinance on racial profiling of the six

issues that the community asks the

council to address this has seen the

most progress we are happy to see this

we do believe there can be some some

strengthening of the definition it is

not clear what appreciably motivating

means it ought we would also suggest

adding actual and perceived race so that

it is more than just the actual race of

the person but the perception of their

race in terms of the data collection

resolution we agree Mr Sanders that we

shouldn't delay in fact we think the

city police could start collecting data

tomorrow on stops that do not result in

an arrest or a citation what they don't

they don't collect data right now and so

we would urge that there be quicker

action on that and then on the training

again good steps forward we would

suggest strengthening the language to

require city employees to take the

training the reson

and says the city manager shall make

sure the training is available but

there's no requirement that employees

actually take the training so we would

suggest you you strengthen that we all

want to be safe in our communities we

want to be safe in Des Moines the

ordinance in the resolution today before

you are steps in the right direction we

look forward to continuing to work to

make these ordinances the ordinance and

the resolutions meaningful and real so

that at the end of the day

constitutional rights are indeed for

every single one of us thank you good

afternoon

we're in cohort what they seal you and

that statement he just made it carries a

lot of weight

my name is ona woods currently serve as

first vice president for Des Moines

grant gen double ACP and I will briefly

read my comments about data collection

and first community we do support the

proposed RFP to solicit proposals from

vendors to determine the best practices

nationwide for collecting data and

creating metrics that that have a valid

review to study the internal trends of

our city staff to make sure that they

are appropriately delivering services to

for our our cohorts we also support the

RFC's authorization for the city manager

to employ a successor successful

proposal to implement identify best

practices research and data collection

as far as the racial profiling

prohibition we do find it there there is

some flaws in it the ordinances proposal

does not bar all racial profiling only

when racial profiling is appreciably

motivated as previously mentioned

simply put race should play no part of

an officer's decisions during age in an

enforcement action this language

essentially enables any officer even

when there isn't strong evidence that

race or ethnicity motivated to stop to

avoid finding liability by claiming to

stop was based on alleged traffic code

violation no matter how minor or

superficial regardless of the fact that

the data collection shows the officer

had a record of excessive stops to

persons of color consultants will

research other states prohibition for

protection stops we'd agree that the

amendment to the resolution 40 B ensures

that the consultant will research and

make records eight recommendations as

that those like states of Washington New

Mexico in Massachusetts and communities

such as Iowa City and University Heights

that have made protection stops unlawful

and there is a critical need for the

community group representation for

policy and practices for the review

committee now we believe the resolution

for the data collection refers to a

policy and practice review committee

that will review data and metrics by

providing meaningful analysis and policy

recommendations the city manager's

proposed that the committee be comprised

of three members from the Human Rights

Commission one member from the housing

Appeals Board and one staff member from

the Community Development Department and

additionally one police officer but we

propose that the composition of the

committee be increased by at least three

community member groups that have

historically been associated with

efforts to rid or eliminate racial

discrimination or work with or either

people who work with victims of racial

profiling or ethnic profiling our

proposal was rejected the need for

community groups to be truly represented

represented on this Advisory Committee

is crucial to the credibility of the

community so with this we thank you for

an opportunity to to come before you

this evening and we ask that you would

consider our proposed changes Arnold did

you say Arnold you said by 2/3 you said

three increased by 3k if that's not

enough about six

[Applause]

yeah

good afternoon mr. mayor City

Councilmembers and and city manager and

attorney thank you so much

Arnold had our formal remarks so I just

wanted to provide just a little bit of

support acknowledging that the

n-double-a-cp CCI ACLU have been on a

long journey we started working on

legislation at the state level and now

have been working together on

legislation for the City of Des Moines

and I know that we have provided as said

been said before stories stacks of

information memos video and all kinds of

information and so with that being said

we know that there were two proposals

that that didn't come anywhere close to

being up to snuff for the community so

we are grateful for the opportunity to

weigh in on this third proposal with

that being said our bottom line today

for you is that we would like to see

waivers I mean we would not like to see

the waiver in terms of the three

readings so we would like to make sure

that we do have the three readings and

the n-double-a-cp in your email box we

have submitted amendments to the

resolutions both for T B and for T C the

resolutions are very similar these

resolutions are pretty much what Daniel

from the ACLU mentioned earlier in terms

of making sure that employees are

required to undergo the implicit bias

training and the escalation training as

well as making sure that when the

consultant for the RFP looks at that

that he also looks into best practices

around pretextual stops so that's hugely

important the other just a couple of

other things that we want to point out

that the three readings that would help

us at least bring to your attention I

know

city manager or Sanders we have met and

talked a little bit about that we did

expect another meeting so that's also

why we're here saying let's not move so

hastily but but the ordinance at this

point does not speak to data collection

it doesn't bring over the language of

training them in and I know of training

and I know that we are with the hiring

or the RFP and bringing that data

collection conversation that that

conversation is supposed to be ongoing

and it must be ongoing and that it and

again it should be a conversation we

should be and I say we you are the city

should be listening to the community and

then the other concern that I'd like to

raise is that in the even though this is

under the Civil Rights Code there are

several provisions in this ordinance

that that exempt it from actually being

having the benefits of being of the

Civil Rights Code so one is that

complaint process and that's vital and

again we support the definition having a

change in the definition as well of the

appreciably motivating factor is a

problem to me it should just be a

motivating factor because any any kind

of kind of racial profiling profiling is

it should be prohibited

so as we stand as another speaker said

here on the cusp of making history I

think there's an opportunity we've

talked about this being a step and for

many in the community it may not be

quite a step it is a start but we think

with the waiver and if we have ongoing

conversations and I do want to thank the

City Council members several of them

have met with us and our colleagues and

so I know in that vein we're moving for

them but we want to make sure that it's

not just a start but it's a step and we

want to make sure it's a good step that

we all can be proud of and that we all

can call a win

so that's what we're looking for so

let's make a good strong step together

Thank You America mayor before for the

next speaker is very very convincing on

the need to hold off on the second third

waving so mayor if you would I'm gonna

withdraw the consideration of the second

and third reading I didn't get the name

of the last speaker

Betty Ann Andrews my name is Chris

Robinson live at 12:59 Stewart I guess

I'm kind of coming at you from a

perspective as black male black man what

everyone called me because we have

several names were called and as long as

you guys keep dragging your feet there

are still folks out there being stopped

and it's not being recorded or and if

nothing is found or anything and it's

just let go and on their way and so that

that's not recorded it's it's not even

you don't even know unless somebody

doesn't feel they were treated right and

they decide they want to make a

complaint then you might find out about

it and that's it still the the

community's word against the police word

and so who's gonna be believe I've been

stopped several times so I know what it

feels like yeah

any of y'all being stopped any time do

you know what it feels like I don't

think you do if you haven't been stopped

because the skin you're in that's

different than the skin I mean

and so I get treated differently just

because the skin I'm in which isn't fair

but I guess according to some folks it's

okay but I thought the City Council is

supposed to protect everybody regardless

of my skin color Who I am

we are all supposed to be protected and

I guess it's hard they're trying to

figure out why council is fighting so

hard against us just to help protect us

that's all we're asking

it's just to be protected and we

shouldn't have to we we shouldn't have

to beg for this and that's what it feels

like feels like we're begging to just to

be protected and it should we should be

protected anyway but it just feels like

we're just big is no different than back

in the day when we were slaves and has

to beg Massa for some scrap just eat

it's the same thing there's no

difference it's the same thing

and until you flip the script where if

you have to come to the black community

even when you could running when you run

for office

now you did come to the black community

needed our boat and it for some ungodly

reason all of a sudden all you guys were

poor racial profiling you was against it

now it's done changed because all of you

said that you was going to fight against

this racial profiling to stop it but now

that you got your seats back you know

fell to the wayside with uh you know

used to say we used to be on the back

burner

we don't roll it off the stove and

underneath the stove and so it's it's

it's and then when you pick the groups

and everything that that you're gonna go

with please pick some folks that you're

not comfortable with because right now

you keep going with folks that you're

comfortable with because they're not

going to go against you they're going to

they'll go with you there's nothing

wrong with those of us we're not against

you we're against bad police officers

yeah it

you should be against bad police

officers just like we're against bad

police officers no problem with a good

police officer no problem but with a bad

one yet because they're out there to

continue that madness out there and they

continue getting away with it because

they can and it's it it's not fair to us

as the people appellant

are you doing my name is will Johnson

281 East walnut' in Des Moines the guy

that just spoke motivated me to speak I

might be a little younger than him I'll

be 40 here in August I didn't plan on

saying anything but hearing him speak

make me wanted to come and say something

I've been a victim of racial profiling I

spent half my life living in Chicago

South Side of Chicago 21st 25 years of

my life so I know what that's like moved

out here with my family went through

that out here for the last maybe 10

years I have two teenage kids here in

the audience now I look around I see

that I'm probably the only one that

brought my teenage kids to this event

just to let them know what happens what

goes on and if we're not here to speak

up for ourselves no one would so I'm

here to let them know the the children

this is the process and if we're not

here to speak up things are going to go

even slower than what they are going and

I lead the council to to to to to be

aware of the situation that everyone has

to deal with it even though we are in

our black skin we have to deal with a

little bit more and like I said I have

teenage kids and they're about to be

driving and I don't want them to have to

deal with what I've went through most of

my life living in this country not just

this state or city it's the whole

country and it has to start in the

cities before it can branch out to the

state before it can branch out across

the country that's it

[Applause]

this children's Arnett expector how many

more people are planning on speaking so

we get one two three we need to kind of

get an idea here so we can get kind of

an idea of time we were you know we're

over a half hour now you know so there's

one two three how many we got I

understand what what are we getting

broke down here for okay go ahead sir

good afternoon your honor mayor City

Council

Rory Freeman for o33 Plainview drive a

Des Moines Iowa it was not my intention

to speak and I don't typically want to

speak but there comes a point when all

of us have to speak up

I'm a very very proud resident Des

Moines I'm an 18 year old 18 year

employee of the city of the morning I've

had fights arguments I've stood strong

in campaigns I thank you for your help

as a as a City of Des Moines employee

and I'm not representing the place as

the City of Des Moines employee I've

done mandatory training mandatory

training mandatory training down the

line I fail to understand why such an

important factor as racial profiling is

a question for the city des moines

council

I know that you all support all of your

citizens I know that you support me

individually because I've spoken to most

of you and yet when we come to this very

important point all of a sudden we seem

to be hedging our bets I support my

brothers and sisters in blue absolutely

I understand their safety and security

and the importance of that but I don't

think that we should allow an insidious

act of racial profiling to go

continuously unrecorded unreported swept

under the table when it has such a huge

effect upon our population there's no

need for me to go into my own personal

stories I can I can raise hands there 15

20 people here who all have personal

stories as a City of Des Moines employee

I can tell you my personal humiliation a

big roast racially profiled by police

officers what is my recourse my recourse

is to file a complaint I know how that

goes I've listened to complaints and I

know that sometimes those complaints

fall on deaf ears and it falls on the

ears of those that are pro-police

I love my brothers and sisters and blue

that's all great but the fact of the

matter is we need specific evidence of

racial profiling so that we can

eliminate this continued act and I don't

understand for instance no offence

estándares when we talk about by it I

know that you've dropped that when we

talk about waiving the second and third

reading that is an indication to me that

we don't want to listen to everyone and

I think that's not appropriate for a

city that touts itself mayor that's one

of the greatest in the United States

let's establish the same priorities for

racial profiling that we have for LGBTQ

rights that we have for housing rights

and let's make that a foundation of what

the City of Des Moines stands for that's

all that I'm asking for individually

it's what I'm asking for from our

children and I know that we have the

ability

I personally believe the moor is one of

the greatest cities in the in the United

States and anybody that knows me knows

that I'm very very proud to be here but

the fact of the matter is I think it's

about time for the City Council to stand

up and represent the entire population

of Des Moines and if a portraitist

population is saying that this is the

problem then mr. mayor with all due

respect I would expect you to take the

lead in addressing all of these issues

for all of us thank you very very much

Charice Williams

14:34 East 18th Street Des Moines five

zero three one six hello Oh

most of you have talked to me on

multiple occasions as the chair for M

okay but I've also had other

conversations with you about the City of

Des Moines and the lack of equity in

some areas and we all know it's real so

I just wanted to stand up here and look

each of you in the face because you're

stoned

I know yet I've been smoking nothing

like that's not what I'm saying but I

need you all to really really try to put

yourself in the position that so many of

these families including myself have

been in I've watched profiling happen

for three generations in my family

starting with my daddy being stopped

because at the time we didn't have a car

walking home from work for my brother

driving with my baby brother in the car

who was five at the time being rolled up

on from SWAT because he happened to be a

black male between the ages of 16 and 25

riding in a very nice car because at

that time we had Cadillacs

to my son not even wanting to come home

from college because of the treatment

that he's received from our brothers and

sisters in blue and mind you a lot of

these instances were never recorded

there's no documentation but to hear my

son cry screaming for his uncle dad who

helped me because officers have done a

u-turn and actually a three-point turn

in the middle of a residential street

and terrorized it way back when people

migrated from the south not necessarily

seeking better employment but running

from the Terrorism of racism I don't

expect any of you to quite fully

understand I don't because you will

never be able to be in my shoes as men

you will never be able to be in these

men shoes ever I don't expect you to

understand that way but what I do expect

is for you to use your privilege because

of the color of your skin because of the

authority that we the people have

invested in you right to do something

real and not lip service because

honestly I'm tired of lip service when

it comes to my neighborhood and trying

to get things done when it comes to

something like this that affects so many

people

I just need you to look me in my eyes

and I want you to think about if it's

your baby if it's your grandchild

it fits short daddy if it's your mom if

it's someone you loved that is afraid to

be in the place that they call home I am

sharing och their 401 Northeast crest

mark place in Ankeny and

just wanted to say we have heard story

after story from people living with

racial profiling they are experiencing a

lot of indignities fears day to day that

no one in this country should have to

experience and yet they're experiencing

it in Des Moines Iowa and they've spent

hours and hours and hours of their lives

coming up with suggestions

recommendations and actual possible

ordinance that included seven or six

options of things that really need it to

not have been ignored needed to have

been very seriously considered because

they all made sense

they were comprehensive they addressed

every issue that has been brought

forward by people who are experiencing

this in their daily lives and so

anything that has come back that hasn't

seriously considered every aspect and

actually is acting on all six areas of

concern is watered down

it's watered down and it diminishes the

stories that we've heard it diminishes

their lives and their life experience

and shame on us

hello my name is Larry Ginter I live at

31 41 Davison Avenue at Rhodes Iowa I'm

a third generation family farmer white

privilege echoes across this land all

the time is indicative of this council I

don't see any black people up here I

don't see this fighting people up here I

don't see an Asian people up here I

don't see American is up here I was a

victim of white privilege I was told the

lives of the conquer for the last 30 or

40 years I've been listening to the

conquered those victims of white slavery

and Jim Crow ISM

slavery fascism that's what it was

genocide American Indian was slate it

was fascism why don't I see the words

racial profiling up there instead of

prohibit municipal practices why don't I

see city cop citizen review board up

there when are those three organizations

gonna have a seat at the table up here

on this floor up this up behind it see

those names up there you know I've had

the privilege and the honor of listening

the people of the black community I've

heard their stories dammit

sorry folks it helped it justice is what

they want these people have stood by me

for years fighting for family farms some

of them people are two or three

generations for family farm but they

know what the hell I'm talking about

justice on the land

so you people better wake up because

justice is rolling and they're not gonna

take it anymore

we got things happening on this into

this climate we got to me there's three

great evils and I'm not afraid to say it

say it

capitalism racism and religious

dogmatism and they're alive and kicking

in this on this planet terribly well

anyway I'm proud to stand with these

folks my name is Carla Dawson I live at

2,900 Cottage Grove Avenue I wasn't

going to speak but then I said I work

with young people and I tell them the

weapon that you have is your voice I

have been privileged to be chosen the

25th recipient of the Bishop Maurice

Dingman award I am very proud I am very

proud because Bishop Dingman spoke truth

to power

as serese would say none of you will

walk in my shoes as the mother of three

african-american young men none of you

know what it's like to stay awake at

night wondering if you're gonna get that

phone call or that knock on the door

like so many people have said if you

have privilege and you don't use it to

help someone what good is your privilege

I saw Connie I saw Joshua I saw Linda at

the racial profiling meetings we had at

CCI and I was very happy about that but

as they've said time and time again and

just in case you're wondering I'm bored

and / had Des Moines I came here when I

was seven years old I will be 55 in May

so that's pretty much all my life that

I've been in Des Moines

I would like young people of color to be

able to live in Des Moines safely how

can we tell them to come back to Des

Moines when we know that it's not safe

for them Des Moines is a lovely place to

live if you look like any of you that

hurts me to my soul everything that I

was raised to believe everything I don't

feel it in Des Moines I don't feel it

when young men and young women of color

are stopped and harassed and terrorized

how would I be able to honestly tell my

boys to come home

and I'm gonna tell you the words of

Archbishop Romero you have the power to

stop the repression you have the power

to stand up for what is right because

everything is good everything is really

good

when you need us when people who look

like me and people who look like you

miss miss miss Lancia when you need us

we're good when you don't need us the

hell with us I didn't come to ask the

vote for you mayor you Connie you came

to us asking us to vote for you so we're

coming to you asking to put out the

olive branch do what is right in 2020

really it's 2020 we don't have a racial

profiling bill in Des Moines shame on

you

I'm gonna put it on you shame on you if

you want to represent somebody then

represent them if you don't get up and

leave it's as simple as that cuz you

know what you're gonna need us again

each one are you gonna need us again and

when you need us and we don't come don't

wonder why thank you

[Applause]

my name is Wallace Jackson

I've lived in the morning all my life

with the exception of the time by served

in the military for the adjutant general

as a legal clerk or courier of secret

documents and a little bit more if I

told you more I'd have to you know the

rest I represented this nation from the

time I was a little boy and I'm bit of

cups got boy scout a good floor of a

tick with dancer and maybe a little more

a loving person

I had background with your blood my

blood Native American blood tallying

blood what can I tell you blacks you're

my you're my family when my family

mystery set misrepresents me I'm hurt

past my heart I've served this community

like many of these other people here all

generations all walks of life

this is one this is my premiere I'm

giving a turn 71 years young and it's

still going on y'all and I love you I've

been a man in blue so what's up

I've been profiled I've got friends

they've been profiled my grandpa look

like y'all but he was considered black

statistics from medical to all different

types of things animals whatever it's

it's moving to me how judgment can be

placed on one because of a statistic

let's get real

the cover is off I love this town but

there's some things about this town I do

not love and it's showing and I'm not

blaming anybody particularly but the

finger pointers are there so you have to

be real in your own hearts and represent

I don't know what else I can tell you

God's watching that's my master and God

bless y'all and God have mercy upon you

thank you hello my name is Buffy Jameson

I am a co-chair and founder of the Iowa

queer communities of color coalition

about a couple of weeks ago us the Iowa

queer communities of color coalition

along with the Des Moines branch of the

n-double a-c-p

and one Iowa got together to have a

community discussion about profiling

here is what we learned

it's rampid it's happening to many of us

it's happening to people because of a

variety of different identities not even

just racial we heard from a lot of trans

individuals who talked about being

profiled and what that means for them I

have sat and listened to my friends and

my family talk about their experiences

with profiling and especially especially

when it's coming from my mama or my

little brother like that's my baby bro

when he told me that he was stopped and

that he you know it just scared the hell

out of me it really did that's my heart

right there that's my baby bro

this is something that is extremely

personal to

many of us many of us not just the black

community not just a lot the next

community or Asian Americans or Native

Americans but all of us if they come for

all for one of us eventually they're

gonna come for all of you and I know

that that's something that's been said

over and over again for a variety of

reasons and people don't tend to believe

it but it's true

something that I heard over and over

again and I was born and raised here by

the way as I was growing up is oh no oh

why are our young people leaving why

aren't they staying why

you know Iowa's getting older and older

and all of our children they're just

leaving as soon as they get the chance

they just take off why I have seen about

five of my friends take off from here

queer people of color because they just

couldn't take it anymore if you want

your young people to stay you need to

start listening to us if you want people

to take responsibility for their

community then you have to listen if you

don't listen to what we are saying to

you then why should we say do you have

any idea how many times I thought about

leaving my own home my whole half of my

mom's side of the family is here but I

thought over and over again about how

much better my life might be if I didn't

live here and that makes me sad and I

know I'm not the only one who has had

these thoughts

what keeps getting regurgitated at us

over and over again if there isn't a

problem

this isn't that's right spread if you're

thinking of this this is all in your

head this is better than that all right

cool prove it pass this ordinance prove

it if there really isn't a problem then

this would Ellis trait it for all of us

prove it that's all I have to say thank

you for your time good evening Council

my name is Laurel Clinton I live at

eleven ninety tenth Street

des Moines Iowa I wasn't gonna speak

tonight I was not asked to speak but

this came across my facebook feet today

and it was important to me to say this

to you this is a quote from Albert

Einstein it says the world is not

dangerous because of those who do harm

but because of those who look at it

without doing anything so that's why

we're here tonight because I can speak

directly about the harm that my son felt

from his racial profiling how I've been

the one a couple of the council members

and I thank you for asking how he's

doing how he's progressing since that

but he took what I say was monumental

courage to fight for his constitutional

rights after that stop he's a young man

and I know grown men who are afraid who

have lost their voice because of these

incidents and it hurts me as a woman

that I have to come up here and fight

for my men in my community but I'll do

it because they're important to us so as

you take the time counsel because I

thank you for what you've done to move

it this far and we I think you Scott

tonight especially for saying you'd

waive that opportunity to to rush it

through that we get the right wording in

that we're all comfortable in this

community I

do not want any person no matter their

rates to be sacrificed for a statistic

we have to be more than a statistic we

have to be part of the community and in

order to over our to move forward we

have to come together and that's what

we're doing we have a whole chamber of

people who just want to be respected

when they walk out of their homes who

are doing the normal things that any

people should be able to do without

consequences the Surgeon General has

almost said that being black in America

is detrimental to your health so it's

because of that that your citizens in

the city of Des Moines Iowa are asking

you to please please

pace yourself do a good job make us all

proud

thank you I want to thank you all for

coming down this evening I think that

you've given us some more valuable input

is Mr Sanders said and has asked that we

not proceed with 40 a which is the final

consideration which he had originally

requested I think he has felt that

there's been some valuable input here

this evening but I do feel that we have

to to move a lot of this stuff forward

and know that this is a dynamic process

we've been working on it for years I

look at Cameron and he knows how hard

we've been working on not only this but

bridging the gap and all the other we

think effective steps that we're taking

for all members of our community and I

want to urge you all to continue that

work and I mr. manager I want to ask you

to take into consideration I said you've

been taking a lot of notes here this

evening and let's incorporate as much as

we can into our moving forward but I

would like to see these

ordinances which I believe we have

supported to put the racial profiling

ordinance in place I'd like to move

these forward as quickly as possible and

I'd also like to move it forward to make

sure we get that RFP out and so what

whatever process that we can have to

move all these initiatives that you have

worked on with staff and with our

members of human and civil rights and

quite frankly also I want to thank our

members of the Civil Service Commission

who have reviewed an awful lot of folks

that are applying for jobs at the City

of Des Moines and especially in in

public safety and urge them we've got a

great balance on on that particular

Commission as well I mean we've got good

gender balance we've got good racial

balance we've got a couple of brown

individuals into blacks and three whites

and we urge them to keep their eyes wide

open as well and let's continue all

working together to make progress but I

want to see it move together rather than

I knowing that the process over time is

going to be dynamic and we're going to

get more good ideas but let's get some

of this moving forward and so if

somebody will give us a motion I think

that we ought to at least take the first

reading of this and move this process

forward so just for clarity B and C all

right it's been moved penny a point yeah

I just wanted to check which to go ahead

with the proposals for the RFP at the

same time or okay yep that's part of my

motion

soaking videos gosh I'd like to to make

some comments first off I want to thank

everyone that's been a part of this

process

the folks at CCI and double-a-c-p ACLU I

want to thank the civil and human rights

commission for their work I also want to

thank the city manager the city attorney

and the police chief for their work -

this has been a valuable process I know

it's been a long process I know for for

folks who have a different lived

experience in this community than me the

process is too long and that is actually

one of the things that this process

helps me understand you know it started

when at a meeting much like this when a

bunch of folks at least for me I know it

started way before that but for me two

years ago when when folks came to one of

our meetings and asked me to participate

in a series of community meetings and I

spent time at community meetings at

several small group meetings before and

after the community meetings and I've

met with constituents outside of that as

well and I continue to learn from that

process one of the things that that is

hard it folks have pointed it out I mean

I I sit here in a position of privilege

I get to make decisions and I've lived a

life of privilege I don't have the same

experience that everyone in our

community has but it's my responsibility

to help make sure that our community

works for everyone and we have folks in

our community who know that it is not

working for them in the same way that it

is working for others and we have a

responsibility to listen to learn and to

work to fix it I and this process has

been a part of that I and I I've seen

I've seen steps in in progress that

maybe not everyone gets to see but just

in the way that the discussion has

evolved over the course of the two years

now this isn't the first time that

something has been back in front of us

and we've improved over time what is

back in front of us we've had a serious

conversation and one of the things that

I am appreciative of has been the

willingness of the city manager and the

chief to continue engaging and continue

thinking through these issues there is

not consensus on our end on how to solve

this and how to go forward but we are

continuing to work through that process

and that is important that willingness

and openness to talk to continue

learning and to continue looking for

solutions is an important part of this

process what we have in front of us

there are three pieces of the six there

were six different different pieces that

the community elevated and brought

brought to us and we've got three pieces

of that and that is a step forward

it's an important step forward it's a

first step forward and there are there

is more to do even within the

constraints of these three items and

we're going to keep having that

conversation but this is an important

step forward we are putting in our

ordinance a prohibition on racial

profiling yes we are taking steps on

data collection because we need to do

better on that front if we we frequently

say up here you can't manage what you

don't measure and and this is a part of

that and going forward and identifying

best practices on data collection and

taking concrete steps to implement those

practices will help make this a better

discussion going forward and it's a part

of it's a part of solving this problem

and that's a concrete and important step

and we're taking step on the training

steps on the training side the

de-escalation training and the implicit

bias training and that's already having

an impact and I don't know how many but

I know there has been online training

pushed out to I think the entire city on

implicit bias training I spent some time

doing that myself

I recognize it's not the same but it's a

piece all of this is a piece and we are

moving these things forward and that's

making a difference I'm committed above

and beyond what we do here and what we

do over the next two readings I

recognize that there is more to do and

I've talked about a number of those

issues I'm particularly interested in in

addressing how we deal with marijuana

and I've talked about that for some time

making that the lowest enforcement

priority I'm gonna continue talking

about that and working to build

consensus I know there's not consensus

there today but that is an issue that I

am committed to continuing to work on

and committed to continuing the

conversation to meeting with anyone who

wants to to moving this forward above

and beyond just the actions that we take

here today because there's more work to

be done there are more stories to be

heard and it's our responsibility to

make our community work for everyone

and I appreciate everything that has

gotten us to this point but it's only a

starting point matter

okay any other comments I we have a

motion on the on the board we're just

gonna echo what josh has said having

been involved from the plane so

appreciate that we know that there's

more to do but I just want everybody you

know we have from what the first

proposal was to now we have made some

giant steps and we're going to continue

the dialogue and the different issues

that have come up and listen to the new

proposals and to try to make this the

best for everybody to make everybody

feel comfortable and safe in the city

yes we're the only ones haven't and Jo

moved it so I'm assuming he's voting for

it yep seven yes again thank you all for

being here and let's all stay engaged

and keep working and I appreciate

Cameron you and the human civil rights

we'll have a good meeting this week

we've got more work to do and with that

we will I think we have to move to

hearings right yes all right

we'll get ready a chance if anybody

wants to be okay

I'm sorry the motion was for beans

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becomes

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yeah

how's that tutoring gone

I basically just said I think everything

and now with the coupling like

don't work all right are you guys gonna

be good to go you're still go on don't

break them back

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apparently like about northern part

all right I'd ask the council to return

to your chair so we can move on to the

hearings please

are you alright let's note that the time

is

6:14 do we like that time is 6:14 we

will open our hearings first hearing

item is item number 43 on the conveyance

of vacated alley right away adjoining

909 south east 9th street in adjoining

904 South East 10th Street to gns

Investments LLC for 125 dollars let's go

ahead and open the hearing is there

anyone here that like make a comment on

this conveyance

seeing none I'll move 43:43 has been

moved who moved it I didn't hear it

Connie

although yes your honor thank you

seven yes motion carries

item 44 item 44 zon the request from

Christian printers ink

Brian Goss vice president to amend the

existing plan dsm creating our tomorrow

plan future land use designation and

rezone 1415 21st Street from n 5

neighborhood to limited rx 1 mixed-use

to conform to the commercial service

consumer maintenance and repair use

bring business to the south and allow a

potential expansion of the existing

printer printing business or development

for an assembly use a is the first

consideration the ordinance above B is

the final consideration the orange above

the way it was requested by Brian Goss

who is the vice president again it

requires six votes item 44 let's open it

up anyone here to speak on this item

again 1415 21st Street rezoning Mary now

mr. mayor I'd like to move if legal let

me I had 4444 a and 44 B and which Brian

was here at just like to give him a

shout out I worked with his dad for

about 41 years so I know the family well

and what's most important is that he's

putting money back into a business in a

distressed commercial corridor we're

just glad to see that he's doing a great

job

I've stopped in and seen him a couple

times I wish we had about a hundred more

of him around the city so well and we're

seeing a lot of great action not only on

our agenda tonight but movement going on

up in Highland Park there's some really

exciting stuff going on great stuff so

again I'll move 40 for a and B

Joe I thought yes your honor

thank you seven yes motion carries

item 45 in a request from Newberry

living frankly be president to rezone

3801 37:21 3707 and 3705 Grand Avenue

and 3810 Ingersoll Avenue from our four

multi-family residential an NPC

neighborhood pedestrian commercial to

PUD Planned Unit development and

approved the PUD conceptual plan to

allow for the development of a

four-story 57 unit multi household

independent senior living apartment

building in addition to an existing

four-story 35 unit independent senior

living apartment building in an existing

three-story 56 unit assisted living

apartment building and an existing

two-story 50 720 square foot office

building as the first consideration the

ordinance above and B as the final

consideration the ordinance above the

way was requested by flame frankly V

president and requires six votes we'll

go ahead and open the hearing item 45

regarding a senior living project seeing

no one here mr. Maryl moved 45 a and B

Joe yes your honor

seven yes motion carries item 46 it's on

a proposed amendment to the citywide

zoning map for properties at 606 10 East

30th Street 2944 des moines street and

polk county district parcel number 0 5 0

/ 0 4 3 8 7 - 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 to be shown

as mx3 mixed-use that are erroneously

shown as MX 1 mixed-use to accommodate

expansion and redevelopment of the

portions of the existing Greater Iowa

Credit Union has the first consideration

of the orange above B as the final

consideration the orange above the

waivers requested by the Community

Development Director and requires six

votes go ahead let's open item 46 anyone

here to speak to this regarding the

greater Iowa Credit Union C no one I'll

move 46 8 right 46 a and B has been

moved Joe though yes your honor

7 yes motion carries

item 47 it's on the fourth amendment to

the third restated urban revitalization

plan for the citywide urban

revitalization area council

communication number 20 - 1:06 the one

here to speak on this will open the

hearing on this item

now right seeing none sing then I'll

move out in 47 yeah you know wait the

second and third there's no way don't

have it now you've won reading gets -

yep Joe

oh yes mr. mayor seven yes motion

carries

48 on the 2020 ad a sidewalk ramp

program resolution approving the plan

specifications form of contract

documents engineer's estimate receive

and file bits in designating the lowest

responsible bidder as westward

Properties LLC Logan Hilton managing

member two hundred and eighty eight

thousand seven hundred ninety five

dollars council communication number

twenty - 104 Hayes approving the

contract in the bond and permission to

sublet we'll go ahead and open the

hearing and see if anyone here would

like to speak on this item again these

ad a helps make us a one of the first

age friendly cities in the United States

and we're proud of that working with ARP

and the World Health Organization and

this is again continuation of that ain't

no one I'll move 48 and 48

yo hello yes your honor seven yes motion

carries item 49 on the Des Moines River

Simon Estes amphitheater flood wall

improvements resolution improving the

plans specifications form of contract

documents engineer's estimate receive

and file bids and designating the lowest

responsible bidder his Minturn inc

clinton m roads president four hundred

and thirty-eight thousand one hundred

and twenty-five dollars council

communication number twenty - one zero

five a is approving the contract and

bond and permission to sublet go ahead

and open the hearing on item forty nine

around the Simon Estes amphitheater

anyone here to speak to this item seeing

no one I'll move 49 and 49 a

Joe well yes your honor

thank you seven yes motion carries

item 50 on Hubbell Avenue rehabilitation

from East 18th to Easton Boulevard

resolution improving the plans

specifications form of contract

documents engineer's estimate receive

and file bids and designating the lowest

responsible bidder is OMG Midwest Inc

doing business as Des Moines asphalt

paving Kevin Bragg is president 1

million six hundred and five thousand

seven hundred and forty three dollars

Council communication number 20 - 114

hey approving the contract and bond and

permission to sublet open the hearing

anyone here to speak to item 50 double

Avenue rehabilitation PA right 1550 a

Joe hello yes mr. mayor seven yes item

51 on public works salt shed expansion

resolution proof of the plans

specifications form of contract

documents engineer's estimate received

and filed bids in designating the lowest

responsible bidder as a and B

construction limited Andrew Striegel is

the president 1 million one hundred and

twenty three thousand eight hundred and

$1.50 council communication number 20 -

one zero nine a is approving the

contract and bond and permission to

sublet anyone here to speak to this as

we open the hearing on item 51 C knowing

I'll move 51 or 51 a

items been moved 51 and 51 Joe hello yes

mister man 7 yes motion carries item 52

on the near West Side sewer separation

phase 4 resolution approving the plan

specifications form of contract

documents engineers estimate and receive

and file beds and designating the lowest

responsible bidder his synergy

contracting LLC Jessie rug Ness is the

president

eight million eight hundred and eighty

three thousand three hundred and seventy

six dollars and twenty cents council

communication number twenty - 113 a is

approving the contract and bond and

permission to sublet we'll go ahead and

open up the hearing on item 52 is there

anyone here that would like to speak to

that seeing none mr. mayor all new 52

and tqa items been moved go I'm still

amazed that you can have an eight

million dollar bid that still have to

get 20 cents extra

just listen that's what makes this deal

work yeah one more coming in - it was

seven yes motion carried move on item 53

on the ingersoll avenue street scape

from ml King jr. Parkway to 24th Street

on the north side resolution approving

the plans specifications form of

contract documents engineer's estimate

receiving file bids and designating the

lowest responsible bidder is Jasper

Construction Services Inc cliff roads

president two million six hundred and

thirty seven thousand five hundred and

fifty $8.50 council communication number

20 - 117 a is approving the contract and

bond and permission to sublet let's go

ahead and open the hearing anyone here

to speak on the ingersoll Avenue

streetscape

seeing none I'll move item 53 and 53 a I

also just want to add this I'm excited

to show you this good this represents a

lot of work by the the folks in the self

supported municipal Improvement District

and the folks and the avenues to help

make this possible it's been a long time

coming it'll be a significant

improvement to the streetscape covered

by the at least the initial work by the

self supported municipal Improvement

District as well as the the revenue

generated from the TIF district in that

area to make a significant improvement

to that streetscape as well as the bike

and pedestrian infrastructure there I

it's going to take a while to work

through all all the phases of this

project several years before it'll be

completed but it'll make a big

difference along Ingersoll

yo hello yes mr. mayor seven yes motion

carries

all right 628 that completes our hearing

items and takes us back to item 41 item

41 as from any Baldwin 206 third Street

to speak regarding downtown

entertainment district sound permits

mr. mayor councilmembers we own the

property at 204 third Street and we've

owned it since about 2:00 2008 and I

operate the business a nice Irish pub

I'm not sure if Luann's here Donovan but

she is a vast resource of knowledge on

the noise permits and sound permits I'm

here to discuss the sound crimin des

moines specifically the court Avenue

entertainment district my patio at Amy's

is nearly 5000 square feet without

sidebar booths in a small stage the

inside is only 1,100 square feet so 80%

of my business is dependent on that

patio

I'm completely dependent on Mother

Nature because my patio is not covered

every year I meet with a representative

from the city to purchase my sound

permits for Amy's I meet with them in

February and then I get all my sound

permits for March all the way through

Halloween and then I write them a check

and I'm good for the season the sound

parent rules have changed and they only

changed two years ago the new rule is I

pay the city $200 and I get eight days

that's it

per month these eight days are

non-refundable are transferable so in

the month of May this year there are 10

total Fridays and Saturdays I have to

randomly guess which Fridays and

Saturdays I want to have amplified sound

outside on my patio every month one or

more weekend days are ruined due to rain

or severe weather this 8 day rule does

not work for many reasons first of all I

guarantee you a majority of the

businesses around Des Moines do not

follow this rule or even pay attention

or know about it the old room that we

had two years ago I could purchase more

days for an extra hundred dollars I did

this for years and the city made a lot

of money because this is how it worked

I believe they changed the rule because

they were bombarded by sound permits on

very short notice for every night of the

week our people just didn't follow the

rules at Inez I'd like to play music on

my patio every Sunday afternoon but

according to the these new rules I can't

I'd like to have karaoke or bingo or a

DJ on Wednesday nights but according to

these rules I can't my suggestion to the

city is to let establishments by more

than eight days first of all I would

like the two hundred dollars per month

to get you a total of ten days per month

to cover your extra weekends or there's

a Friday or Saturday then you can buy

Sunday's afternoons or Thursdays or

Wednesdays to a certain time and respect

the noise levels each day after the

first ten days could cost a business

owner somewhere between fifteen and a

hundred dollars then the city is making

extra money sound permits should be a

privilege and if you don't follow the

rules and you aren't respectful to your

neighbors you should not be able to get

these sound permits but it's unfair to

punish the good business owners because

a few bad actors in recent years have

abused the rules and didn't have respect

for the city those people should be

punished and not allowed to have more

than a certain amount however the good

business owners and the ones that you

know contribute to the community should

have an opportunity to succeed and make

Court Avenue a great environment for

people to enjoy I'm coming to you now in

March to solve this issue before we get

into May and into the summer months so

I'm hoping that the city I mean you

might not even be aware that this is a

rule and they have changed it a couple

of years ago yeah so I'll move to

receive and file this this is new

information to me I would also like to

as part of the motion ask for a

background memo on the changes that are

referenced as well as

Community development's recommendation

with regard to the suggestions that that

miss Baldwin has made so that that comes

back to us so that we can take a look at

those recommendations and consider how

to move forward

mr. mayor I see sue Ann's here - I'd

like to ask her a very council swin

Donovan neighborhood inspections on how

did we get to this eight-month manner

just seems a little fine to me because I

think that this year we have two months

that have five weekends in them how did

we end up deciding on eight eight was

established years and years ago as a

compromise on having too much sound in

especially court Avenue trying to limit

it so the neighbors in the area weren't

bothered every single weekend or every

single night of the week for a whole

summer we don't have a limit on a time

frame like shut down by seven they have

to shut down by 10:30 or 11 depending on

if it's a weekday or weekend I believe

might be 12:30 I can't remember good

right before before the ordinance

changed two years ago and I'll give a

background memo it's sort of setting out

how we got here

they could pay for a variance to get

more than the eighth mm-hmm and we had

to mail cards to everybody within 250

feet of like Inez and so you'd mail out

hundreds and hundreds of cards to like

the plaza cuz that's individually owned

and 20% of the people could respond

saying they didn't want the variance to

add more dates but you could hardly ever

meet that threshold and so we would hear

from people that live down there

especially in the plaza that we

shouldn't be handing out variances that

that allowed more sound so we brought it

to council a couple years ago saying

they shouldn't be able to get a variance

unless it was due to a hardship that was

not necessarily economic and

and counsel at that time approved that

amendment but you know what you

mentioned you get to get eight per month

and you have a weekend it's a rained out

you can't recover can't pay you cannot

reuse that that's the reason we did that

years ago when we came up with the

limits is it would be impossible for

staff to manage transferring permits

from one day to the other and be able to

tell police and other people when there

should be appropriate tab music and when

they weren't supposed to have music for

enforcement purposes it has to be that

we know whether that band is supposed to

be out there or not for enforcement

purposes and Sue Ann or or Annie how

many Court Avenue establishments have an

outdoor patio would you guess best guest

Oh probably five or six some of them

have noise on the patio and some don't

some just use the background some have

actual DJs and music on the patios Annie

does that sound about right

well I'm thinking if we talk about court

Avenue then you talk about ingersoll

then you talk about all the different

areas in Des Moines - so you have the

300 group you know down the street by

Principal Park there's plenty of patios

the rooftop and that sort of thing and

then you have a few on court Avenue and

then you have three or four between

Larry Smithson's places and then my

place and that's what I think I don't

think people know the actual I'm sure

like a lot of business owners don't even

know these rules and going back to the

neighbors if I want to have an acoustic

I out there playing guitar on Sunday

afternoon from 1:00 to 5:00 that I have

to get a noise permit and with the

eighth rule now I can't do that which

makes it a little bit difficult to do

you know if I want to do bingo on

Wednesday nights and say okay we're

gonna have a guy walking around

announcing numbers outside I have to

have a noise permit so it stifles my

business I mean and like she said you

know if it rains one weekend I'm in

don't know if you've been down a third

and Court I am majority patio and it is

not covered and it's it's a great

farmers market place we always have

someone out there playing guitar on

farmers market then we have a DJ after

farmers market then we have a DJ that

night and then Sunday afternoons we need

to have a key to be out there someone

clean you know the instrument or

something that's amplified sound I mean

you'd be surprised with like little

speakers even if I had them inside it

doesn't give you the same feel as having

someone out there playing so I'm just

asking the city to reconsider and I'm

not saying that there aren't people that

probably don't break the rules or play

the music too loud or accidentally go

over a half an hour when they should not

do that but then they need to be

punished individually because this is

kind of just a big blanket rule for

everybody down there mr. mayor can I

just jump in real quick I'm not sure if

you can hear me but you know mrs.

Baldwin has always been a leader down in

the court Avenue area and anytime we've

had problems heard her establishment has

stepped up and she is not the bad actor

that we have down there whether it be

noise whether it be any other problems I

mean she's engaged and I think that we

need to figure out a way with Josh

bullshit return it back to help her not

cyfle her business but help it grow so I

hope that with Josh's motion that we can

figure something like that out it was to

Antel yeah I mean I think that fits

within the emotion that I made and to

get a record from Sue and to figure out

perfect how to approach this and what

what should recommend so yeah I mean I

think we want we want to make sure that

we get this like many other things we're

trying to get the balance right it's

between providing a regulatory framework

that allows the businesses that are

doing the right thing to continue

operating and then I certainly know that

I hear from neighbors

they're from businesses that maybe are

not as conscientious about following the

rules because I know Sue Ann you and I

have worked on several of those just in

my short time on the council so it's

about getting that balance right and

what the recommendation is to get that

balance right going forward perfect I

don't yet thank you receive a file yeah

[Applause]

I'm Q Kane at 2700 Grand Avenue des

Moines Iowa I am the attorney for for

mr. mr. Carlson mr. Carlson last week

was injured and was in the hospital and

he is here tonight but taking medication

and he asked me to to speak on his

behalf

mr. Carlson was removed as a trustee by

the mayor on a January 6th of this year

and pursuant to municipal code law mr.

Carlson is entitled to a hearing in

front of this board as to a

name-clearing hearing or you process

your so based on that I would have the

following statement from mr. Carlson I

want to thank the mayor and the council

for this opportunity to address the

miscarriage of justice in mayor counties

surprising and politically motivated

dismissal of me On January 6 2020 from

the Des Moines waterworks board of

trustees in the middle of my term I

stand before you as a whistleblower

because no one else was listening the

mayor used a district court ruling in

Kelter versus Oskaloosa which allows a

mayor to

move a trustee for any reason trying to

justify my removal his letter to me On

January 6 stated I shared with you that

discussions with your colleagues left me

convinced that the board as presently

constituted is dysfunctional and your

colleagues unanimously have indicated to

me that trust and confidence in you has

been lost I know in fact that there is

not a unanimous dissatisfaction with my

membership how interesting it is to

blame me for the mayor's lack of

attention and to use me as a foil to

justify his great displeasure with the

waterworks I see it quite differently

after the loss of Bill stove our new

chair and vice chair began having closed

meetings about eight in a few months the

chair and the vice chair then presented

the board with a contract in June of

2019 and discussed how the deal could be

closed the new waterworks was to be up

and running in January 2020 a draft

contract has been circulating in the

suburbs for several months after I made

several requests to the waterworks for a

copy a person from one of the suburbs

provided me one the contract stated the

following only two members of the

seven-member board would represent the

City of Des Moines complete control of

the water work plants budget and

wholesale water rates were to be

immediately controlled by the suburbs

Water Works asset values had been

adjusted so that almost no money would

be contributed upfront a future by out

of all the Des Moines assets were

included with the amount to be

negotiated in 10 or 20 years I asked

mayor Cownie on several occasions to

look into what was going on since no one

was listening I approached then

councilman Chris Coleman for help and

getting the mayor and the council more

involved as a result of my meeting with

Mayor our with Councilman

then he sent me the following text on

August 22nd 2019 hi Gabe

thanks for visiting yesterday I never

used your name but did get 60 minutes

with Frank and Scott Sanders yesterday

you appropriately lit a fire under us

we're going to more aggressively engage

the chair and Sue should have already

had a convo with the mayor please keep

me in the loop I need to respect the

mayor's position in the process and I

won't overstep but I know how to keep

things moving and influence him and if

the ball gets dropped that will be my

license to get more aggressive myself

unfortunately nothing happened

as a result I became a whistleblower and

mayor mayor County was embarrassed by

what I reveal I've done nothing wrong

and letting the City Council and

citizens know what was going on mayor

Cownie

can now remove a board trustee for no

reason and as appointed as campaign

manager as my replacement

the mayor is now in total control and

responsible for the waterworks and all

regionalization action Water Works

customer relations committee the one

responsible for regionalization has

owned has only had closed meetings since

approximately March of 2019 the

leadership has stated that it did not

want to quote discuss marketing and

pricing strategies and proprietary

information that may impact its

competitive position by public

disclosure not required of potential or

actual competitors related to ongoing

negotiations over creating an integrated

Regional Water Authority I worked hard

for the citizens of Des Moines during my

chairmanship from 2012 to 2013 we began

the greater Des Moines Botanical Garden

Foundation the Des Moines waterworks

Park Foundation and we hired bill Stowe

I've worked for 16 years volunteering my

time as a trustee and I do not deserve

to be traded treated with such

disrespect so what do I want

with unlimited removal power and his

campaign manager on the board mayor

Cownie now has complete control of the

waterworks don't give away the

waterworks to the suburbs one you should

immediately stop all secret negotiations

on regionalization and assemble a task

force to review everything that water

- you should hold public hearings on

what the present owners the ratepayers

of Des Moines want to do 3 you should

hire an outside financial analyst to

make a realistic assessment of the

numerous studies Water Works has

initiated and determined the real value

of the Water Works plants and other

physical resources please don't give the

waterworks away to the suburbs thank you

so much

and we would add one more put day back

on the Des Moines Water Works board

my name is qsv I'm a member of CCI I

live at the 1005 63rd Street I'm here

we're here to stand up for Dave it's

been a champion of clean water a

champion for 16 years other folks that

are here to stand up and support Dave

please stand up so thank you just wanted

you to know that even though not every

and everybody is welcome to talk to you

even though everybody might not talk

they've got a lot of support so we're

here to stand up for Dave we're here to

stand up for clean water because he was

recently kicked off the Des Moines Water

Works board by mayor County because Dave

was being open and honest mayor Cownie

boo today because Dave stood up for

people and clean water he challenged how

decisions about water regionalization in

the metro area were being made behind

closed doors and behind our backs what

the mayor did is wrong don't be smart

smirking at me

we need the City Council to stand up for

clean water we need the cut city council

the stand of her people

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we don't need behind closed doors behind

our backs deals we need Dave back on the

board I'm gonna ask a rhetorical

question as I leave Frank if Dave had

supported you in the election rather

than your opponent Jack hat would he

have been booted off the board

[Applause]

my name is good I appreciate in your hue

right yeah this was an opportunity for

Dave to make a statement which he gave

over to his attorney and I appreciate

that and and I understand that and so

this isn't sort of an open hearing to

whatever but can I make a statement

let's we got two people to make

statements and then you're going to

receive and file and appreciate your

comments go ahead so my name is ava I

live at 6:56 to 16th Street in Des

Moines over in Sherman Hill

unfortunately because we live in Iowa

and our state has been overrun by the

factory from industry our right to clean

water is constantly under threat

fortunately because we live in Des

Moines and the Water Works has a nitrate

removal system we can have safe clean

drinking water so but any discussions

about regionalization or what impacts

our right to clean water should not be

discussed behind closed doors we're not

a deal that you can make without us and

that's why we need people like Dave more

than ever who will stand up to our right

to clean water and so Dave should be

back on the board and we need more

people like him not people who won't

make deals without us

at a Mason 1434 44th Street I am also an

Iowa CCI member I am also here to

support Dave Carlson dave was a champion

for clean water you know during his time

on the board numerous things that he did

to support Des Moines Water Works to

support the City of Des Moines but most

importantly to protect the ratepayers of

Des Moines Dave voted for the Des Moines

waterworks lawsuit as a board member and

he fought legislative attempts to

dismantle Des Moines waterworks which

was more than discounted and at that

time currently he was one of the the Des

Moines waterworks board members who

voted to support CC eyes lawsuit against

the state of Iowa protecting clean water

for this city in this state and that's

what our vision for for what this

council should be doing is working in

partnership with the community to make

life better for more people it's plain

and simple

shouldn't be that hard to figure out

Dave sounded the alarm for just how far

these regionalization talks had happened

behind closed doors and for that he was

punished he was fired earlier tonight

this chamber was packed talking with you

about discussions that you've had with

community members over the last two

years to move forward a racial profiling

ordinance now admittedly that that

ordinance is not where we like it but

you agreed to keep the conversation

going so why you would move forward with

a double standard to allow those

regionalization talks to continue to

exclude the public boggles my mind that

cannot continue that's why we need

people like Dave back on the board board

members and counselors like yourself who

are going to partner with the community

and put people first that's it

I'd like to speak as well and I think

there's more folks who want their voices

heard so I'd like to make a statement as

well um my name is Ross I'm a resident

of Des Moines and I'm a proud member of

Iowa's CCI and to me these are different

issues that have striking resemblances

to each other this City Council's

orientation to a ban on racial profiling

and your decision mayor County to kick

Dave off the board so raise your hand if

you were here to support a ban on racial

profiling today a real bad

ya know keep your hand up if you're here

to demand that Dave gets put back on the

board

neither of these issues should be

political making sure everyone in our

city is safe and making sure we can

drink clean water should it be political

but it seems for y'all everything is

political when power is involved you'd

rather get rid of somebody who threatens

your power who can test for your part to

make sure we can have clean drinking

water and put somebody who didn't just

support your campaign but ran your

campaign but you all should know and

folks are here to tell you that we take

care of our own and Dave is one of our

own so we're gonna make public

statements when we want to make public

statements because you choose to fire

members of our community and kick them

off a board when you want to and that

ain't right

to move to receive I want to thank you

all for coming down this evening and

this is open this is public and for

those of you that have an interest all

the hearings on that regionalization of

water are open mr. hatch was there the

other day and I think user what 10

minutes Jack

so thanks for attending and we'll take a

motion to receive him file

all right we have a motion to receive

and file the comments for mr. Carlson

Joe he's very much thank we lost them I

think we lost 6-0 motion Gary all right

want to thank you all for coming and

with that vote is meeting is adjourned

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