Suspended animation is within our grasp
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0:01 - 0:04I'm going to talk to you today about my work on suspended animation.
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0:04 - 0:07Now, usually when I mention suspended animation,
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0:07 - 0:10people will flash me the Vulcan sign and laugh.
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0:10 - 0:14But now, I'm not talking about gorking people out
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0:14 - 0:17to fly to Mars or even Pandora,
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0:17 - 0:19as much fun as that may be.
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0:19 - 0:22I'm talking about
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0:22 - 0:25the concept of using suspended animation
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0:25 - 0:28to help people out in trauma.
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0:28 - 0:30So what do I mean
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0:30 - 0:33when I say "suspended animation"?
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0:33 - 0:36It is the process by which
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0:36 - 0:39animals de-animate,
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0:40 - 0:42appear dead
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0:42 - 0:45and then can wake up again without being harmed.
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0:45 - 0:49OK, so here is the sort of big idea:
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0:49 - 0:52If you look out at nature,
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0:52 - 0:54you find that
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0:54 - 0:57as you tend to see suspended animation,
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0:57 - 1:01you tend to see immortality.
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1:01 - 1:04And so, what I'm going to tell you about
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1:04 - 1:09is a way to tell a person who's in trauma --
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1:09 - 1:12find a way to de-animate them a bit
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1:12 - 1:14so they're a little more immortal
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1:14 - 1:16when they have that heart attack.
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1:16 - 1:19An example of an organism or two
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1:19 - 1:22that happens to be quite immortal
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1:22 - 1:24would be plant seeds
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1:24 - 1:26or bacterial spores.
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1:26 - 1:28These creatures are
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1:28 - 1:31some of the most immortal life forms on our planet,
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1:31 - 1:34and they tend to spend most of their time
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1:34 - 1:37in suspended animation.
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1:37 - 1:40Bacterial spores are thought now by scientists
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1:40 - 1:42to exist as individual cells
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1:42 - 1:45that are alive, but in suspended animation
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1:45 - 1:48for as long as 250 million years.
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1:48 - 1:53To suggest that this all, sort of, about little, tiny creatures,
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1:53 - 1:55I want to bring it close to home.
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1:55 - 1:58In the immortal germ line
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1:58 - 2:00of human beings --
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2:00 - 2:03that is, the eggs that sit in the ovaries --
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2:03 - 2:07they actually sit there in a state of suspended animation
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2:07 - 2:10for up to 50 years in the life of each woman.
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2:11 - 2:14So then there's also my favorite example
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2:14 - 2:16of suspended animation.
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2:16 - 2:18This is Sea-Monkeys.
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2:18 - 2:20Those of you with children,
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2:20 - 2:22you know about them.
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2:22 - 2:24You go to the pet store or the toy store,
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2:24 - 2:26and you can buy these things.
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2:26 - 2:28You just open the bag, and you just dump them
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2:28 - 2:30into the plastic aquarium,
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2:30 - 2:33and in about a week or so, you'll have little shrimps swimming around.
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2:33 - 2:36Well, I wasn't so interested in the swimming.
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2:36 - 2:39I was interested in what was going on in the bag,
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2:39 - 2:41the bag on the toy store shelf
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2:41 - 2:43where those shrimp sat
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2:43 - 2:46in suspended animation indefinitely.
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2:46 - 2:51So these ideas of suspended animation
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2:51 - 2:54are not just about cells and weird, little organisms.
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2:54 - 2:56Occasionally, human beings
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2:56 - 2:58are briefly de-animated,
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2:58 - 3:01and the stories of people who are briefly de-animated
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3:01 - 3:03that interest me the most
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3:03 - 3:05are those having to do with the cold.
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3:05 - 3:08Ten years ago, there was a skier in Norway
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3:08 - 3:11that was trapped in an icy waterfall,
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3:11 - 3:14and she was there for two hours before they extracted her.
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3:14 - 3:16She was extremely cold,
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3:16 - 3:18and she had no heartbeat --
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3:18 - 3:20for all intents and purposes she was dead, frozen.
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3:20 - 3:23Seven hours later,
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3:23 - 3:25still without a heartbeat,
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3:25 - 3:27they brought her back to life, and she went on to be
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3:27 - 3:29the head radiologist
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3:29 - 3:31in the hospital that treated her.
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3:31 - 3:33A couple of years later --
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3:33 - 3:35so I get really excited about these things --
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3:35 - 3:37about a couple of years later,
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3:37 - 3:40there was a 13-month-old, she was from Canada.
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3:40 - 3:42Her father had gone out in the wintertime; he was working night shift,
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3:42 - 3:45and she followed him outside in nothing but a diaper.
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3:45 - 3:47And they found her hours later,
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3:47 - 3:49frozen, lifeless,
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3:49 - 3:51and they brought her back to life.
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3:51 - 3:53There was a 65-year-old woman
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3:53 - 3:55in Duluth, Minnesota last year
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3:55 - 3:57that was found frozen and without a pulse
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3:57 - 4:00in her front yard one morning in the winter,
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4:00 - 4:02and they brought her back to life.
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4:02 - 4:04The next day, she was doing so well, they wanted to run tests on her.
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4:04 - 4:06She got cranky and just went home.
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4:06 - 4:08(Laughter)
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4:08 - 4:10So, these are miracles, right?
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4:10 - 4:13These are truly miraculous things that happen.
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4:13 - 4:15Doctors have a saying
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4:15 - 4:18that, in fact, "You're not dead until you're warm and dead."
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4:18 - 4:21And it's true. It's true.
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4:21 - 4:23In the New England Journal of Medicine,
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4:23 - 4:25there was a study published that showed
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4:25 - 4:27that with appropriate rewarming,
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4:27 - 4:30people who had suffered without a heartbeat for three hours
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4:30 - 4:33could be brought back to life without any neurologic problems.
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4:33 - 4:35That's over 50 percent.
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4:35 - 4:38So what I was trying to do is think of a way
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4:38 - 4:40that we could study
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4:40 - 4:42suspended animation
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4:42 - 4:44to think about a way
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4:44 - 4:46to reproduce, maybe,
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4:46 - 4:48what happened to the skier.
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4:48 - 4:50Well, I have to tell you something very odd,
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4:50 - 4:53and that is that being exposed to low oxygen
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4:53 - 4:56does not always kill.
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4:56 - 4:59So, in this room, there's 20 percent oxygen or so,
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4:59 - 5:01and if we reduce the oxygen concentration,
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5:01 - 5:03we will all be dead.
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5:03 - 5:06And, in fact, the animals we were working with in the lab --
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5:06 - 5:08these little garden worms, nematodes --
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5:08 - 5:11they were also dead when we exposed them to low oxygen.
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5:11 - 5:13And here's the thing that should freak you out.
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5:13 - 5:16And that is that, when we lower the oxygen concentration further
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5:16 - 5:20by 100 times, to 10 parts per million,
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5:20 - 5:22they were not dead,
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5:22 - 5:24they were in suspended animation,
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5:24 - 5:27and we could bring them back to life without any harm.
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5:28 - 5:30And this precise oxygen concentration,
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5:30 - 5:3210 parts per million,
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5:32 - 5:34that caused suspended animation,
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5:34 - 5:36is conserved.
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5:36 - 5:38We can see it in a variety of different organisms.
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5:38 - 5:40One of the creatures we see it in
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5:40 - 5:42is a fish.
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5:42 - 5:45And we can turn its heartbeat on and off by going in and out
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5:45 - 5:48of suspended animation like you would a light switch.
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5:48 - 5:51So this was pretty shocking to me,
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5:53 - 5:55that we could do this.
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5:55 - 5:57And so I was wondering, when we were trying
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5:57 - 5:59to reproduce the work with the skier,
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5:59 - 6:02that we noticed that, of course,
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6:02 - 6:04she had no oxygen consumption,
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6:04 - 6:07and so maybe she was in a similar state of suspended animation.
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6:07 - 6:09But, of course, she was also extremely cold.
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6:09 - 6:11So we wondered what would happen
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6:11 - 6:13if we took our suspended animals and exposed them to the cold.
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6:13 - 6:15And so, what we found out
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6:15 - 6:17was that, if you take animals
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6:17 - 6:19that are animated like you and I,
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6:19 - 6:22and you make them cold -- that is, these were the garden worms --
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6:22 - 6:24now they're dead.
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6:24 - 6:26But if you have them in suspended animation,
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6:26 - 6:29and move them into the cold, they're all alive.
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6:29 - 6:31And there's the very important thing there:
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6:31 - 6:33If you want to survive the cold,
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6:33 - 6:35you ought to be suspended. Right?
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6:35 - 6:37It's a really good thing.
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6:38 - 6:40And so, we were thinking about that,
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6:40 - 6:42about this relationship between these things,
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6:42 - 6:45and thinking about whether or not that's what happened to the skier.
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6:45 - 6:48And so we wondered: Might there be some agent
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6:48 - 6:50that is in us, something that we make ourselves,
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6:50 - 6:53that we might be able to regulate our own metabolic flexibility
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6:53 - 6:55in such a way as to be able to survive
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6:55 - 6:58when we got extremely cold, and might otherwise pass away?
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6:59 - 7:02I thought it might be interesting to sort of hunt for such things.
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7:02 - 7:04You know?
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7:04 - 7:07I should mention briefly here
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7:07 - 7:10that physiology textbooks that you can read about
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7:10 - 7:13will tell you that this is a kind of heretical thing to suggest.
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7:13 - 7:16We have, from the time we are slapped on the butt
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7:16 - 7:18until we take our last dying breath --
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7:18 - 7:20that's when we're newborn to when we're dead --
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7:20 - 7:22we cannot reduce our metabolic rate
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7:22 - 7:24below what's called a standard,
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7:24 - 7:26or basal metabolic rate.
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7:27 - 7:29But I knew that there were examples
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7:29 - 7:31of creatures, also mammals,
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7:31 - 7:33that do reduce their metabolic rate
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7:33 - 7:35such as ground squirrels and bears,
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7:35 - 7:37they reduce their metabolic rate
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7:37 - 7:39in the wintertime when they hibernate.
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7:39 - 7:42So I wondered: Might we be able to find some agent or trigger
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7:42 - 7:45that might induce such a state in us?
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7:45 - 7:48And so, we went looking for such things.
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7:48 - 7:51And this was a period of time when we failed tremendously.
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7:51 - 7:53Ken Robinson is here. He talked about the glories of failure.
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7:53 - 7:55Well, we had a lot of them.
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7:55 - 7:57We tried many different chemicals and agents,
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7:57 - 8:00and we failed over and over again.
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8:00 - 8:02So, one time, I was at home
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8:02 - 8:04watching television on the couch
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8:04 - 8:08while my wife was putting our child to bed,
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8:08 - 8:10and I was watching a television show.
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8:10 - 8:12It was a television show --
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8:12 - 8:15it was a NOVA show on PBS --
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8:15 - 8:17about caves in New Mexico.
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8:17 - 8:19And this particular cave was Lechuguilla,
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8:19 - 8:22and this cave is incredibly toxic to humans.
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8:22 - 8:24The researchers had to suit up just to enter it.
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8:24 - 8:26It's filled with this toxic gas,
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8:26 - 8:28hydrogen sulfide.
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8:28 - 8:32Now, hydrogen sulfide is curiously present in us.
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8:32 - 8:34We make it ourselves.
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8:34 - 8:37The highest concentration is in our brains.
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8:37 - 8:39Yet, it was used
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8:39 - 8:42as a chemical warfare agent in World War I.
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8:44 - 8:46It's an extraordinarily toxic thing.
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8:46 - 8:48In fact, in chemical accidents,
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8:48 - 8:52hydrogen sulfide is known to --
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8:52 - 8:55if you breathe too much of it, you collapse to the ground,
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8:56 - 8:58you appear dead,
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8:58 - 9:01but if you were brought out into room air, you can be reanimated without harm,
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9:01 - 9:03if they do that quickly.
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9:03 - 9:07So, I thought, "Wow, I have to get some of this."
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9:07 - 9:09(Laughter)
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9:09 - 9:15Now, it's post-9/11 America,
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9:15 - 9:18and when you go into the research institute,
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9:18 - 9:20and you say, "Hi.
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9:20 - 9:22I'd like to buy some concentrated,
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9:22 - 9:24compressed gas cylinders
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9:24 - 9:26of a lethal gas
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9:26 - 9:28because I have these ideas, see,
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9:28 - 9:30about wanting to suspend people.
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9:30 - 9:32It's really going to be OK."
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9:32 - 9:34So that's kind of a tough day,
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9:34 - 9:37but I said, "There really is
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9:37 - 9:41some basis for thinking why you might want to do this."
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9:41 - 9:43As I said, this agent is in us,
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9:43 - 9:45and, in fact, here's a curious thing,
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9:45 - 9:48it binds to the very place inside of your cells
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9:48 - 9:50where oxygen binds, and where you burn it,
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9:50 - 9:52and that you do this burning to live.
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9:52 - 9:55And so we thought, like in a game of musical chairs,
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9:55 - 10:00might we be able to give a person
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10:00 - 10:02some hydrogen sulfide,
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10:02 - 10:04and might it be able to occupy that place
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10:04 - 10:07like in a game of musical chairs where oxygen might bind?
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10:07 - 10:09And because you can't bind the oxygen,
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10:09 - 10:11maybe you wouldn't consume it,
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10:11 - 10:14and then maybe it would reduce your demand for oxygen.
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10:14 - 10:16I mean, who knows?
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10:16 - 10:19So -- (Laughter)
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10:19 - 10:22So, there's the bit about the dopamine
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10:22 - 10:25and being a little bit, what do you call it, delusional,
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10:25 - 10:27and you might suggest that was it.
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10:27 - 10:29And so, we wanted to find out
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10:29 - 10:32might we be able to use
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10:32 - 10:35hydrogen sulfide in the presence of cold,
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10:35 - 10:37and we wanted to see whether we could
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10:37 - 10:39reproduce this skier in a mammal.
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10:40 - 10:44Now, mammals are warm-blooded creatures,
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10:44 - 10:47and when we get cold, we shake and we shiver, right?
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10:47 - 10:50We try to keep our core temperature at 37 degrees
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10:50 - 10:53by actually burning more oxygen.
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10:55 - 10:57So, it was interesting for us
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10:57 - 11:00when we applied hydrogen sulfide
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11:00 - 11:04to a mouse when it was also cold
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11:04 - 11:06because what happened is the core temperature
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11:06 - 11:08of the mouse got cold.
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11:08 - 11:10It stopped moving.
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11:10 - 11:12It appeared dead.
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11:12 - 11:14Its oxygen consumption rate
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11:14 - 11:16fell by tenfold.
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11:16 - 11:19And here's the really important point.
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11:19 - 11:22I told you hydrogen sulfide is in us.
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11:22 - 11:24It's rapidly metabolized,
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11:24 - 11:26and all you have to do after six hours of being
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11:26 - 11:28in this state of de-animation
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11:28 - 11:30is simply put the thing out in room air,
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11:30 - 11:33and it warms up, and it's none the worse for wear.
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11:33 - 11:35Now, this was cosmic.
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11:36 - 11:40Really. Because we had found a way
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11:40 - 11:43to de-animate a mammal,
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11:43 - 11:46and it didn't hurt it.
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11:46 - 11:49Now, we'd found a way to reduce
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11:49 - 11:51its oxygen consumption
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11:51 - 11:54to rock-bottom levels, and it was fine.
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11:54 - 11:57Now, in this state of de-animation,
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11:57 - 11:59it could not go out dancing,
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11:59 - 12:01but it was not dead,
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12:01 - 12:03and it was not harmed.
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12:03 - 12:06So we started to think: Is this the agent
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12:06 - 12:08that might have been present in the skier,
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12:08 - 12:11and might have she had more of it than someone else,
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12:11 - 12:14and might that have been able to reduce
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12:14 - 12:16her demand for oxygen
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12:16 - 12:18before she got so cold that
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12:18 - 12:20she otherwise would have died,
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12:20 - 12:23as we found out with our worm experiments?
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12:24 - 12:27So, we wondered:
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12:27 - 12:29Can we do anything useful
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12:29 - 12:31with this capacity to
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12:31 - 12:33control metabolic flexibility?
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12:33 - 12:36And one of the things we wondered --
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12:36 - 12:38I'm sure some of you out there are economists,
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12:38 - 12:40and you know all about supply and demand.
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12:40 - 12:42And when supply is equal to demand,
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12:42 - 12:44everything's fine,
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12:44 - 12:46but when supply falls,
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12:46 - 12:48in this case of oxygen,
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12:48 - 12:51and demand stays high, you're dead.
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12:51 - 12:53So, what I just told you
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12:53 - 12:55is we can now reduce demand.
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12:55 - 12:57We ought to be able to lower supply
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12:57 - 13:00to unprecedented low levels without killing the animal.
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13:00 - 13:03And with money we got from DARPA,
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13:03 - 13:05we could show just that.
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13:05 - 13:08If you give mice hydrogen sulfide,
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13:08 - 13:10you can lower their demand for oxygen,
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13:10 - 13:13and you can put them into oxygen concentrations
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13:13 - 13:16that are as low as 5,000 feet above the top of Mt. Everest,
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13:16 - 13:19and they can sit there for hours, and there's no problem.
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13:19 - 13:21Well this was really cool.
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13:21 - 13:23We also found out that we could subject animals
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13:23 - 13:26to otherwise lethal blood loss, and we could save them
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13:26 - 13:29if we gave them hydrogen sulfide.
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13:29 - 13:32So these proof of concept experiments
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13:32 - 13:35led me to say "I should found a company,
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13:35 - 13:38and we should take this out to a wider playing field."
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13:40 - 13:42I founded a company called Ikaria
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13:42 - 13:44with others' help.
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13:44 - 13:46And this company, the first thing it did
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13:46 - 13:49was make a liquid formulation of hydrogen sulfide
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13:49 - 13:51an injectable form that we could put in
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13:51 - 13:54and send it out to physician scientists all over the world
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13:54 - 13:56who work on models of critical care medicine,
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13:56 - 13:58and the results are incredibly positive.
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13:58 - 14:00In one model of heart attack,
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14:00 - 14:02animals given hydrogen sulfide
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14:02 - 14:04showed a 70 percent reduction in heart damage
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14:04 - 14:06compared to those who got the standard of care that
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14:06 - 14:09you and I would receive if we were to have a heart attack here today.
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14:09 - 14:11Same is true for organ failure,
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14:11 - 14:16when you have loss of function owing to poor perfusion of kidney, of liver,
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14:16 - 14:18acute respiratory distress syndrome
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14:18 - 14:21and damage suffered in cardiac-bypass surgery.
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14:23 - 14:25So, these are the thought leaders in trauma medicine
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14:25 - 14:27all over the world saying this is true,
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14:27 - 14:31so it seems that exposure to hydrogen sulfide
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14:31 - 14:33decreases damage that you receive
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14:33 - 14:36from being exposed to otherwise lethal-low oxygen.
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14:36 - 14:39And I should say that the concentrations of hydrogen sulfide
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14:39 - 14:42required to get this benefit
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14:43 - 14:45are low, incredibly low.
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14:45 - 14:48In fact, so low that physicians will not have to lower or dim
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14:48 - 14:50the metabolism of people much at all
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14:50 - 14:52to see the benefit I just mentioned,
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14:52 - 14:54which is a wonderful thing, if you're thinking about adopting this.
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14:54 - 14:56You don't want to be gorking people out
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14:56 - 14:58just to save them, it's really confusing.
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14:58 - 15:00(Laughter)
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15:00 - 15:04So, I want to say that we're in human trials.
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15:04 - 15:06Now, and so --
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15:06 - 15:12(Applause)
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15:12 - 15:15Thank you. The Phase 1 safety studies are over,
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15:15 - 15:17and we're doing fine, we're now moved on.
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15:17 - 15:20We have to get to Phase 2 and Phase 3. It's going to take us a few years.
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15:20 - 15:22This has all moved very quickly,
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15:22 - 15:24and the mouse experiments
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15:24 - 15:27of hibernating mice happened in 2005;
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15:27 - 15:29the first human studies were done in 2008,
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15:29 - 15:31and we should know in a couple of years
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15:31 - 15:33whether it works or not.
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15:33 - 15:35And this all happened really quickly
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15:35 - 15:37because of a lot of help from a lot of people.
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15:37 - 15:39I want to mention that, first of all,
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15:39 - 15:42my wife, without whom this talk and my work would not be possible,
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15:42 - 15:44so thank you very much.
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15:44 - 15:47Also, the brilliant scientists who work at my lab
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15:47 - 15:49and also others on staff,
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15:49 - 15:51the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Washington --
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15:51 - 15:53wonderful place to work.
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15:53 - 15:55And also the wonderful scientists
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15:55 - 15:57and businesspeople at Ikaria.
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15:57 - 16:00One thing those people did out there
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16:00 - 16:03was take this technology of hydrogen sulfide,
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16:03 - 16:06which is this start-up company that's burning venture capital very quickly,
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16:06 - 16:08and they fused it with another company
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16:08 - 16:10that sells another toxic gas
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16:10 - 16:14that's more toxic than hydrogen sulfide,
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16:14 - 16:17and they give it to newborn babies who would otherwise die
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16:17 - 16:20from a failure to be able to oxygenate their tissues properly.
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16:21 - 16:24And this gas that is delivered in over
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16:24 - 16:26a thousand critical care hospitals worldwide,
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16:26 - 16:28now is approved, on label,
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16:28 - 16:30and saves thousands of babies a year
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16:30 - 16:32from certain death.
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16:32 - 16:34(Applause)
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16:34 - 16:37So it's really incredible
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16:37 - 16:39for me to be a part of this.
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16:39 - 16:41And I want to say that I think we're on the path
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16:41 - 16:43of understanding metabolic flexibility
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16:43 - 16:45in a fundamental way,
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16:45 - 16:49and that in the not too distant future,
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16:49 - 16:52an EMT might give an injection of hydrogen sulfide,
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16:52 - 16:54or some related compound,
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16:54 - 16:57to a person suffering severe injuries,
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16:57 - 16:59and that person might de-animate a bit,
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16:59 - 17:03they might become a little more immortal.
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17:03 - 17:05Their metabolism will fall
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17:05 - 17:11as though you were dimming a switch on a lamp at home.
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17:11 - 17:14And then, they will have the time, that will buy them the time,
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17:14 - 17:17to be transported to the hospital
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17:19 - 17:23to get the care they need.
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17:23 - 17:28And then, after they get that care --
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17:28 - 17:30like the mouse, like the skier,
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17:30 - 17:32like the 65-year-old woman --
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17:32 - 17:34they'll wake up.
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17:34 - 17:36A miracle?
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17:36 - 17:38We hope not, or maybe we just hope
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17:38 - 17:40to make miracles a little more common.
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17:40 - 17:42Thank you very much.
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17:42 - 17:49(Applause)
- Title:
- Suspended animation is within our grasp
- Speaker:
- Mark Roth
- Description:
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Mark Roth studies suspended animation: the art of shutting down life processes and then starting them up again. It's wild stuff, but it's not science fiction. Induced by careful use of an otherwise toxic gas, suspended animation can potentially help trauma and heart attack victims survive long enough to be treated.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 17:52
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