Pope Francis: "Bold Cultural Revolution" Needed to Save Planet from Climate Change & Consumerism

that for us is a source of inspiration.

We're joined now by 2 guests Naomi
Klein is the author of this

changes everything,

capitalism versus the climate.

She's been invited to
speak at the Vatican,

where she will speak at the people
and planet first the imperative

to change course conference

she's joining us by Democracy
Now video stream

from Canada

and here in New York.

Nathan Schneider joins us columnist
in America magazine a national

Catholic weekly magazine published
by the Cheshire.

Thank you both

Naomi let's begin with you

respond to the Pope's encyclical

on climate change and the environment.

Yes,

you know.

Good morning.

Iranian and

and

before I you know I would really like to

express my deep deep sadness and outrage

at The Hague crime

in Charleston.

This is

a grief-stricken warning there
were having this conversation.

And it was an attack on a
religious institution,

which is also worth bearing

as well as an attack

on an African Americans.

I

you know I think that this you
know in the quicker we cannot

overstate the importance of it,

the impact that it will have.

It's hard to respond to a document
that runs a close to 200 pages

. When it was just released,

you know I'm right forum

few hours ago

where are still

dangerous

to hear

anybody

is

very clear.

A

door has just been opened and

and

I've got strong wind

is blowing through

where it

is now possible to

to

say some very powerful truth about
that the real implications

of climate change,

it really the root causes.

And I think a lot of

discussion about and

cyclical

in the US media cycle

has

focused and will continue to focus

on the impact on Republican,

and

while it's not heroes,

many of whom are Catholic,

and it is certainly

a challenge

to that demographic.

In the United States because the
pope is coming out so clearly

on the side of climate science
and saying this is real,

and this is happening,

but I think it's too easy to say
that this is just a challenge

to

Rick Santorum.

But

frankly,

it is also a challenge to Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama

large part of the green movement

because

it is a rebuke of a slow action

very specifically

says that

climate denial is not just about denying
the science is also about

denying the urgency of the science.

The document is

very strong into journey

delays half measures

so-called market solutions it very

specifically criticizes

carbon markets a carbon offsetting

an inadequate

measure that will encourage speculation
and rapid consumption

everything.

Probably the most significant parliament

that the picture

is the foreign grounding

of

the culture

of frenetic

consumption

in the wealthy world among the wealthy,

and this is a really significant
because I think large parts

of the climate change discussion

trial they have it all ways and say no,

we just will just have a green growth.

Well just how

well it will consume green products

and

you know this goes a lot deeper
than that and says no.

We need to get at the

underlying there are used

there are

feeling this cultural frenetic
conception that is entirely

unsustainable.

Now like you mentioned the fact that
the pope calls repeatedly in

the encyclical for radical change,

I want to ask you about a specific

citation from the leaked document

that period earlier this week,

he said.

And in a corrupt

culture

we can't believe that laws will
be enough to change behaviors

that affect the environment,

could you talk specifically about
that about the laws that he may

be referring to there.

Well,

I think that

when he referring to corruption

and I believe he referring
to the influence of

polling companies and multinational
corporations which we also put

out

the encyclical

and I think this is one of the most
significant thing about the

darkness.

One might expect

of a religious talking
about climate change

you erased

difference right say

we're,

we're all in this together

and certainly a possibility.

Earth has our common home

but it also recognizes

explicitly the power dynamics

in

capitalism,

which is to say that there
are forces witnesses

and they're

actively working against

change

and

and that is probably well he's
referring to when he's talking

about

how there may be lots that
the laws are enforced.

And you know I do you know the
laws are also inadequate,

which is also addressed

in the in the dark

and it has a very specific

calls for

know I'm not aware of all
the environmental law.

I wish to pay the darkness.

I haven't been able to look at,

look at

you know closely enough

and another thing I have
to say if you know I am.

You know I

have accepted and this invitation to

seek a confidence

which

is a

do you more deeply into the darkness.

Because

there is an understanding that
it does take time to digest a

document

at this

this multi-layered

and it

requires

that kind of deeper

and I think that this intervention

5 months ahead of the UN climate

conference in Paris

is tremendously significant,

it's going to push political leaders

should go further.

It's gonna be a tool for social movements,

a lot of the language of the kind
of justice movement has just

been adopted by the pope and you
you know phrases like ecological

debt.

The pub is talking about the death

well world owes to the poor.

This is a frightening

that comes,

originally

from Ecuador

from the

against drilling in the Amazon

and you know that he's he's.

This is a phrase that was

you never heard in mainstream circles.

Until

now,

just now actually,

I mean,

I've never seen such a mainstream

use of that term.

So it is very important

in that way,

but I mean I have to say
on a personal level,

that

as as thrilled as I am

that the,

that that that the Vatican
is leading in this way,

you know this pope is leading this way

and bringing together the fight
against poverty with

the fight

on climate change.

That doesn't mean

there's a

complete merger between the crime
and justice movement in the

Vatican,

you know,

I mean obviously there are huge
differences that remain over

issues

like

is quality

a reproductive rights and freedom

to name just a few.

Nathan Schneider your columnist

with the Catholic weekly America

you've been covering Catholic engagement
with climate change.

Talk about the scope of this,

I mean just for people to understand
what this encyclical is the

number of languages.

It's been released and how large it is

and what it means for the
Catholic community.

Well,

this is really the first
3rd world and cyclical

you know this is coming from a pope

who was shaped

in really significant ways by economic
crisis during the Cold War

in Argentina

and

being in the middle of
a battleground between

between the first and second world powers

it was drafted by

a cardinal from Ghana,

so this is coming from

the side of the world that we
don't normally hear from

and

it's

very much in line with things
that popes have been saying

for decades.

You know,

going back to Paul.

The 6th and John Polis second

Benedict,

the 16th,

so a lot of

the content is actually not
so new for Catholics

but the emphasis and that

that

that that

that the language of climate debt

the language is the recognition
that there is a

a divide here between the rich
countries in the poor

and this is a cry

from

the developing world from

what has been

labeled the 3rd world

for change.

We're gonna break and when we come back,

we'll hear

the words of Cardinal

Peter Turks and himself of Ghana.