The Internet's Own Boy: The Story of Aaron Swartz
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0:25 - 0:31♪ ♪ ♪
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0:50 - 0:56A cofounder of the social, news and entertainment
website Reddit has been found dead. -
0:57 - 1:01He certainly was a prodigy, although
he never thought of himself like that. -
1:02 - 1:05He was totally unexcited
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1:05 - 1:08about starting businesses and making money.
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1:10 - 1:15There's a profound sense of loss tonight
in Highland Park, Aaron Swartz's hometown, -
1:15 - 1:18as loved ones say goodbye to
one of the Internet's brightest lights. -
1:18 - 1:22Freedom, open access, and computer
activists are mourning his loss. -
1:22 - 1:25"An astonishing intellect," if you talk to people who knew him.
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1:25 - 1:30He was killed by the government, and
MIT betrayed all of its basic principles. -
1:30 - 1:33They wanted to make an example out of him, okay?
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1:35 - 1:39Governments have an insatiable
desire to control. -
1:39 - 1:43He was potentially facing 35 years
in prison and a one million dollar fine. -
1:43 - 1:50Raising questions of prosecutorial zeal,
and I would say even misconduct. -
1:50 - 1:55Have you looked into that particular matter
and reached any conclusions? -
1:57 - 2:02Growing up, I slowly had this process of
realizing that all the things around me that -
2:02 - 2:06people had told me were just the natural way
things were, the way things always would be, -
2:06 - 2:09they weren't natural at all,
they were things that could be changed -
2:09 - 2:12and they were things that more importantly
were wrong and should change, -
2:12 - 2:14and once I realized that,
there was really no going back. -
2:24 - 2:28Welcome to storyreading time.
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2:28 - 2:33The name of the book is "Paddington at the Fair".
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2:33 - 2:36Well, he was born in Highland Park
and grew up here. -
2:36 - 2:39Aaron came from a family of three
brothers, all extraordinarily bright. -
2:39 - 2:42"Oh, the box is tipping over..."
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2:42 - 2:44"You're free..."
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2:44 - 2:48So we were all, you know,
not the best-behaved children. -
2:48 - 2:51You know, three boys running around
all the time, causing trouble. -
2:51 - 2:53"Hey, no, no no!"
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2:53 - 2:56– Aaron!
– What? -
2:56 - 3:01But I've come to the realization that Aaron
learned how to learn at a very young age. -
3:01 - 3:06"One, two, three, four, five, six,
seven, eight, nine, ten!" -
3:06 - 3:09- Knock, knock!
- Who's there? -
3:09 - 3:11- Aaron.
- Aaron who? -
3:11 - 3:12- Aaron Funnyman.
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3:12 - 3:15He knew what he wanted,
and he always wanted to do it. -
3:15 - 3:17He always accomplished what he wanted.
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3:18 - 3:22His curiosity was endless.
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3:22 - 3:27"Here's a little picture of what the planets are,
and each planet has a symbol: -
3:27 - 3:33"Mercury's symbol, Venus' symbol, Earth's symbol,
Mars' symbol, Jupiter's symbol." -
3:33 - 3:37One day he said to Susan, "What's this free
family entertainment downtown Highland Park?" -
3:37 - 3:40"Free family entertainment
downtown Highland Park." -
3:40 - 3:43He was three at the time.
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3:43 - 3:45She said, "What are you talking about?"
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3:45 - 3:46He said, "Look, it says here on the refrigerator,"
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3:46 - 3:50"Free family entertainment downtown Highland Park."
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3:50 - 3:55She was floored, and astonished that he could read.
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3:55 - 3:59It's called "My Family Seder".
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4:00 - 4:05The Seder night is different
from all other nights. -
4:05 - 4:09I remember once, we were at
the University of Chicago Library. -
4:09 - 4:12I pulled a book off the shelf
that was from like 1900, -
4:12 - 4:16and showed him and said, "You know,
this is really just an extraordinary place." -
4:16 - 4:23We all were curious children, but Aaron really
liked learning and really liked teaching. -
4:23 - 4:27"..and today we're going to learn the ABCs backwards."
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4:27 - 4:31"Z, Y, X, W, V, U, T..."
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4:31 - 4:35I remember, he came home
from his first Algebra class. -
4:35 - 4:39He was like, "Noah, let me teach you algebra!"
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4:39 - 4:41And I'm like, "What is algebra?"
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4:41 - 4:43And he was always like that.
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4:43 - 4:49"Now let's press click button, there! Now it's got that!"
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4:49 - 4:52"Now it's in pink!"
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4:52 - 4:56When he was about two or three years old,
and Bob introduced him to computers, -
4:56 - 5:00then he just took off like crazy on them.
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5:00 - 5:04(baby talk)
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5:04 - 5:09We all had computers, but Aaron really
took to them, really took to the Internet. -
5:09 - 5:13- Working at the computer?
- Nah... -
5:13 - 5:16"How come...Mommy, why is nothing working?"
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5:16 - 5:18He started programming from a really young age.
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5:18 - 5:22I remember the first program
that I wrote with him was in BASIC, -
5:22 - 5:24and it was a Star Wars trivia game.
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5:26 - 5:30He sat down with me in the basement,
where the computer was, -
5:30 - 5:33for hours, programming this game.
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5:35 - 5:39The problem that I kept having with him is
that there was nothing that I wanted done, -
5:39 - 5:42and to him, there was always something to do,
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5:42 - 5:44always something that programming could solve.
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5:47 - 5:51The way Aaron always saw it, is that
programming is magic. -
5:51 - 5:54You can accomplish these things
that normal humans can't. -
5:54 - 5:58Aaron made an ATM using like a Macintosh
and like a cardboard box. -
5:58 - 6:02One year for Halloween,
I didn't know what I wanted to be, -
6:02 - 6:06and he thought it would be really, really cool
if I dressed up like his new favorite computer, -
6:06 - 6:09which at the time was the original iMac.
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6:09 - 6:13I mean, he hated dressing up for Halloween
but he loved convincing other people -
6:13 - 6:16to dress up as things that he wanted to see.
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6:16 - 6:20"Host Aaron, stop!
Guys, come on, look at the camera!" -
6:20 - 6:23"Spiderman looks at the camera!"
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6:24 - 6:31He made this website called "The Info",
where people can just fill in information. -
6:31 - 6:35I'm sure someone out there knows
all about gold, gold leafing... -
6:35 - 6:39Why they don't write about that on this website?
And then other people can come at a later point, -
6:39 - 6:43and read that information, and edit
the information if they thought it was bad. -
6:43 - 6:46Not too dissimilar from Wikipedia, right?
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6:46 - 6:52And this was before Wikipedia had begun,
and this was developed by a 12-year-old, -
6:52 - 6:58in his room, by himself, running on this
tiny server, using ancient technology. -
6:58 - 7:01And one of the teachers responds,
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7:01 - 7:07"This is a terrible idea. You can't just
let anyone author the encyclopedia!" -
7:07 - 7:10"The whole reason we have scholars
is to write these books for us." -
7:10 - 7:13"How could you ever have such a terrible idea?"
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7:13 - 7:17Me and my other brother would be like,
"Oh, you know, yeah Wikipedia is cool, but..." -
7:17 - 7:20"we had that in our house, like, five years ago."
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7:21 - 7:26Aaron's website, theinfo.org, wins a school competition
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7:26 - 7:30hosted by the Cambridge-based
web design firm ArsDigita. -
7:34 - 7:37We all went to Cambridge when he won the ArsDigita prize
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7:37 - 7:40and we had no clue what Aaron was doing.
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7:40 - 7:43It was obvious that the prize was really important.
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7:43 - 7:47Aaron soon became involved with
online programming communities, -
7:47 - 7:51then in the process of shaping
a new tool for the Web. -
7:51 - 7:55He comes up to me and is like, "Ben, there's this
really awesome thing that I'm working on." -
7:55 - 7:57"You need to hear about it!"
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7:57 - 7:59I'm like, "Yeah, what is it?"
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7:59 - 8:01He says, "It's this thing called RSS."
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8:02 - 8:08And he explains to me what RSS is.
I'm like, "Why is that useful, Aaron?" -
8:08 - 8:11"Is any site using it?
Why would I want to use it?" -
8:11 - 8:17There was this mailing list for people who are
working on RSS, and XML more generally, -
8:17 - 8:21and there was a person on it named
Aaron Swartz who was combative but very smart, -
8:21 - 8:25and who had lots of good ideas, and
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8:25 - 8:28he didn't ever come to the
face-to-face meetings, and they said, -
8:28 - 8:31"You know, when are you gonna come out
to one of these face-to-face meetings?" -
8:31 - 8:37And he said, "You know, I don't think
my mom would let me. I've just turned fourteen." -
8:37 - 8:43And so their first reaction was: "Well, this person,
this colleague we've been working with all year -
8:43 - 8:46was thirteen years old while we were
working with him, and he's only fourteen now." -
8:46 - 8:47And their second reaction was:
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8:47 - 8:50"Christ, we really want to meet him.
That's extraordinary!" -
8:50 - 8:53He was part of the committee that drafted RSS.
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8:53 - 8:59What he was doing was to help build
the plumbing for modern hypertext. -
8:59 - 9:06The piece that he was working on, RSS,
was a tool that you can use to get summaries -
9:06 - 9:08of things that are going on on other web pages.
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9:08 - 9:11Most commonly, you would use this for a blog.
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9:11 - 9:14You might have 10 or 20 people's blogs you wanna read.
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9:14 - 9:18You use their RSS feeds, these summaries of
what's going on on those other pages -
9:18 - 9:22to create a unified list of all the stuff that's going on.
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9:22 - 9:27Aaron was really young, but he understood
the technology and he saw that it was imperfect -
9:27 - 9:30and looked for ways to help make it better.
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9:36 - 9:40So his mom started bundling him on planes in Chicago. We'd pick him up in San Francisco.
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9:40 - 9:45We'd introduce him to interesting people to argue with, and we'd marvel at his horrific eating habits.
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9:45 - 9:51He only ate white food, only like steamed rice and not fried rice 'cause that wasn't sufficiently white
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9:51 - 9:53and white bread, and so on...
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9:53 - 9:58and you kind of marveled at the quality of the debate emerging from this,
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9:58 - 10:01what appeared to be a small boy's mouth,
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10:01 - 10:04and you'd think, this is a kid who's really going to go somewhere if he doesn't die of scurvy.
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10:04 - 10:07Aaron, you're up!
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10:07 - 10:10I think the difference is that now you can't make companies like dotcoms.
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10:10 - 10:15You can't have companies that just sell dog food over the Internet, or sell dog food over cell phones.
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10:15 - 10:18But there's still a lot of innovation going on.
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10:18 - 10:21I think that if you don't see the innovation, maybe your head is in the sand.
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10:21 - 10:24He takes on this alpha nerd personality, where he's
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10:24 - 10:28sort of like, "I'm smarter than you, and because I'm smarter than you, I'm better than you,
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10:28 - 10:30and I can tell you what to do."
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10:30 - 10:35It's an extension of, like, him being kind of like a twerp.
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10:35 - 10:38So you aggregate all these computers together and now they're solving big problems
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10:38 - 10:42like searching for aliens and trying to cure cancer.
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10:45 - 10:48I first met him on IRC, on Internet Relay Chat.
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10:48 - 10:53He didn't just write code, he also got people excited about solving problems he got.
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10:53 - 10:55He was a connector.
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10:55 - 10:58The free culture movement has had a lot of his energy.
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10:58 - 11:03I think Aaron was trying to make the world work. He was trying to fix it.
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11:03 - 11:08He had a very kind of strong personality that definitely ruffled feathers at times.
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11:08 - 11:13It wasn't necessarily the case that he was always comfortable in the world
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11:13 - 11:16and the world wasn't always comfortable with him.
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11:19 - 11:23Aaron got into high school and was really just sick of school.
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11:23 - 11:28He didn't like it. He didn't like any of the classes that were being taught. He didn't like the teachers.
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11:28 - 11:30Aaron really knew how to get information.
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11:30 - 11:34He was like, "I don't need to go to this teacher to learn how to do geometry.
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11:34 - 11:36I can just read the geometry book,
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11:36 - 11:41and I don't need to go to this teacher to learn their version of American history,
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11:41 - 11:45I have, like, three historical compilations here. I could just read them,
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11:45 - 11:48and I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in the Web."
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11:48 - 11:53I was very frustrated with school. I thought the teachers didn't know what they were talking about,
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11:53 - 11:56and they were domineering and controlling, and the homework was kind of a sham,
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11:56 - 12:01and it was just like all a way to pen students together and force them to do busywork.
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12:01 - 12:05And, you know, I started reading books about the history of education
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12:05 - 12:08and how this educational system was developed,
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12:08 - 12:11and, you know, alternatives to it and ways that people could actually learn things
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12:11 - 12:15as opposed to just regurgitating facts that teachers told them,
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12:15 - 12:18and that kind of led me down this path of questioning things. Once I questioned the school I was in,
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12:18 - 12:24I questioned the society that built the school, I questioned the businesses that the schools were training people for,
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12:24 - 12:28I questioned the government that set up this whole structure.
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12:28 - 12:31One of the things he was most passionate about was copyright, especially in those early days.
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12:31 - 12:37Copyright has always been something of a burden on the publishing industry and on readers,
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12:37 - 12:44but it wasn't an excessive burden. It was a reasonable institution to have in place
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12:44 - 12:46to make sure that people got paid.
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12:46 - 12:53What Aaron's generation experienced was the collision between this antique copyright system
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12:53 - 12:56and this amazing new thing we were trying to build--the Internet and the Web.
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12:56 - 13:00These things collided, and what we got was chaos.
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13:02 - 13:05He then met Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Lessig,
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13:05 - 13:09who was then challenging copyright law in the Supreme Court.
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13:09 - 13:13A young Aaron Swartz flew to Washington to listen to the Supreme Court hearings.
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13:13 - 13:18I am Aaron Swartz, and I am here to listen to the Eldred--to see the Eldred argument.
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13:18 - 13:23Why did you fly out here from Chicago, and come all this way to see the Eldred argument?
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13:23 - 13:26That's a more difficult question...
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13:29 - 13:33I don't know. It's very exciting to see the Supreme Court,
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13:33 - 13:37especially in such a prestigious case as this one.
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13:42 - 13:47Lessig was also moving forward with a new way to define copyright on the Internet.
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13:47 - 13:49It was called "Creative Commons".
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13:49 - 13:53So the simple idea of Creative Commons is to give people--creators--
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13:53 - 13:59a simple way to mark their creativity with the freedoms they intended to carry.
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13:59 - 14:05So if copyright is all about "All Rights Reserved", then this is a kind of a "Some Rights Reserved" model.
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14:05 - 14:09I want a simple way to say to you, "Here's what you can do with my work,
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14:09 - 14:13even if there are other things which you need to get my permission before you could do."
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14:13 - 14:16And Aaron's role was the computer part.
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14:16 - 14:21Like, how do you architect the licenses so they'll be simple and understandable,
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14:21 - 14:23and expressed in a way so that machines could process it?
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14:23 - 14:29And people were like, "Why do you have this fifteen-year-old kid writing the specifications for the Creative Commons?
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14:29 - 14:31Don't you think that's a huge mistake?"
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14:31 - 14:35And Larry is like, "The biggest mistake we would have is not listening to this kid."
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14:35 - 14:39He barely is not even tall enough to even get over the podium,
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14:39 - 14:42and it wasn't this movable podium so it was this embarrassing thing,
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14:42 - 14:46where once he put his screen up nobody could see his face.
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14:46 - 14:51When you come to our website here, and you go to "Choose License".
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14:51 - 14:57It gives you this list of options, it explains what it means, and you've got three simple questions:
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14:57 - 14:59"Do you want to require attribution?"
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14:59 - 15:02"Do you want to allow commercial uses of your work?"
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15:02 - 15:05"Do you want to allow modifications of your work?"
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15:05 - 15:11I was floored, just completely flabbergasted, that these adults regarded him as an adult,
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15:11 - 15:16and Aaron stood up there in front of a whole audience full of people, and just started talking
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15:16 - 15:20about the platform that he'd created for Creative Commons,
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15:20 - 15:23and they were all listening to him, just...
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15:23 - 15:28I was sitting at the back thinking, He's just a kid. Why are they listening to him?
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15:28 - 15:29But they did...
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15:29 - 15:32Well, I don't think I comprehended it fully.
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15:32 - 15:37Though critics have said it does little to ensure artists get paid for their work,
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15:37 - 15:40the success of Creative Commons has been enormous.
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15:40 - 15:46Currently on the website Flickr alone, over 200 million people use some form of Creative Commons license.
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15:46 - 15:56He contributed through his technical abilities, and yet it was not simply a technical matter to him.
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15:57 - 16:01Aaron often wrote candidly in his personal blog:
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16:01 - 16:06"I think deeply about things, and I want others to do likewise.
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16:07 - 16:11I work for ideas and learn from people. I don't like excluding people.
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16:11 - 16:16I'm a perfectionist, but I won't let that get in the way of publication.
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16:16 - 16:20Except for education and entertainment, I'm not going to waste my time
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16:20 - 16:22on things that won't have an impact.
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16:22 - 16:26I try to be friends with everyone, but I hate it when you don't take me seriously.
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16:26 - 16:32I don't hold grudges, it's not productive, but I learn from my experience.
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16:32 - 16:35I want to make the world a better place."
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16:41 - 16:46In 2004, Swartz leaves Highland Park and enrolls in Stanford University.
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16:46 - 16:52He'd had ulcerative colitis which was very troubling, and we were concerned about him taking his medication.
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16:52 - 16:56He got hospitalized, and he would take this cocktail of pills every day,
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16:57 - 17:01and one of those pills was a steroid which stunted his growth,
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17:01 - 17:05and made him feel different from any of the other students.
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17:05 - 17:08Aaron, I think, shows up at Stanford ready to do scholarship,
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17:08 - 17:13and finds himself in effectively a babysitting program for overachieving highschoolers
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17:13 - 17:21who in four years are meant to become captains of industry and one-percenters
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17:21 - 17:26and I think it just made him bananas.
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17:26 - 17:29In 2005, after only one year of college,
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17:29 - 17:36Swartz was offered a spot at a new start-up incubation firm called Y Combinator, lead by Paul Graham.
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17:36 - 17:40He's like, "Hey, I have this idea for a a website."
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17:40 - 17:43And Paul Graham likes him enough, and says, "Yeah, sure."
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17:43 - 17:47So Aaron drops out of school, moves to this apartment...
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17:47 - 17:50So this used to be Aaron's apartment when he moved here.
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17:50 - 17:55I have vague memories of my father telling me how difficult it was to get a lease
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17:55 - 17:59'cause Aaron had no credit and he dropped out of college.
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17:59 - 18:05Aaron lived in what's now the livingroom, and some of the posters are leftover from when Aaron lived here.
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18:05 - 18:10And then the library...there are more books, but a lot of them are Aaron's.
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18:12 - 18:18Aaron's Y Combinator site was called "infogami", a tool to build websites.
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18:18 - 18:21But infogami struggles to find users, and Swartz eventually
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18:21 - 18:25merges his company with another Y Combinator project in need of help.
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18:25 - 18:30It was a project headed by Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian, called "Reddit".
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18:30 - 18:34There we were, starting from almost nothing. No users, no money, no code,
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18:34 - 18:38and growing day by day into a hugely popular website,
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18:38 - 18:40And it showed no signs of letting up.
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18:40 - 18:44First we had 1000 users, then 10000, then 20000 and on, and on...It was just incredible.
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18:44 - 18:50Reddit becomes huge and it's a real sort of geeky corner of the Internet.
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18:53 - 19:01There's a lot of humor, there's a lot of art, and there's just people who flock to the site,
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19:01 - 19:08and make that site the main site they go to every morning to get their news.
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19:08 - 19:12Reddit kind of just borders on chaos at some levels,
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19:12 - 19:19so on the one hand it's a place where people discuss news of the day, technology, politics and issues,
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19:19 - 19:25and yet there is a lot of kind of Not Safe For Work material, offensive material,
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19:25 - 19:30there are some subreddits where trolls find a welcome home,
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19:30 - 19:34and so, in that sense Reddit has been kind of home to controversy, as well.
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19:34 - 19:37It kind of sits on that edge of chaos.
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19:37 - 19:41Reddit catches the attention of the corporate magazine giant Condé Nast,
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19:41 - 19:43who makes an offer to buy the company.
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19:43 - 19:47Some large amount of money, large enough that my dad was getting bugged with questions
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19:47 - 19:51about like: "How do I store this money?"
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19:51 - 19:54- Like a lot of money...
- Like a lot of money. -
19:54 - 20:00Like probably more than a million dollars, but I don't actually know.
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20:00 - 20:03- And he's how old at the time?
- 19, 20. -
20:05 - 20:11So it was in this apartment. They sat around
on what predated these couches, -
20:11 - 20:15hacking on Reddit, and when they sold Reddit
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20:15 - 20:19they threw a giant party, and then all flew
out to California the next day, -
20:19 - 20:22and left the keys with me.
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20:24 - 20:27It was funny, you know, he'd just sold his start-up so we all presumed
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20:27 - 20:29he was the richest person around
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20:29 - 20:34but he said, "Oh no, I'll take this tiny little
shoebox-sized room. That's all I need." -
20:34 - 20:36It was barely larger than a closet.
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20:36 - 20:42The idea of him spending his money on
fancy objects just seemed so implausible. -
20:43 - 20:48He explains it as, "I like living in apartments so I'm not going to spend a lot of money on a new place to live. I'm not gonna buy a mansion,
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20:48 - 20:50and I like wearing jeans and a T-shirt,
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20:50 - 20:52so I'm not going to spend any more money on clothes.
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20:52 - 20:55So it's really no big deal."
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20:55 - 20:58What is a big deal to Swartz is how traffic
flows on the internet, -
20:58 - 21:01and what commands our attention.
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21:01 - 21:04In the old system of broadcasting, you're
fundamentally limited by the amount of -
21:04 - 21:09space in the airwaves. You could only send out ten channels over the airwaves, television
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21:09 - 21:11or even with cable, you had 500 channels.
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21:11 - 21:16On the Internet, everybody can have a channel.
Everyone can get a blog, or a MySpace page. -
21:16 - 21:18Everyone has a way of expressing themselves.
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21:18 - 21:21What you see now is not a question of who gets
access to the airwaves, -
21:21 - 21:25it's a question of who gets control over the
ways you find people. -
21:25 - 21:29You know, you start seeing power centralizing in sites like Google, these sort of gatekeepers that tell you
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21:29 - 21:31where on the Internet you want to go,
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21:31 - 21:34the people who provide you your sources of news and information.
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21:34 - 21:38So it's not only certain people have a license to speak, now everyone has
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21:38 - 21:41a license to speak. It's a question of who gets heard.
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21:45 - 21:50After he started working in San Francisco
at Condé Nast, he comes into the office -
21:50 - 21:54and they want to give him a computer with all
this crap installed on it -
21:54 - 21:57and say he can't install any new things
on this computer, -
21:57 - 21:59which to developers is outrageous.
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21:59 - 22:02From the first day, he was complaining
about all this stuff. -
22:05 - 22:11"Gray walls, gray desks, gray noise. The first
day I showed up here, I simply couldn't take it. -
22:11 - 22:15By lunchtime, I had literally locked myself
in a bathroom stall and started crying. -
22:15 - 22:18I can't imagine staying sane with someone
buzzing in my ear all day, -
22:18 - 22:22let alone getting any actual work done.
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22:22 - 22:24Nobody else seems to get work done here either
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22:24 - 22:28Everybody's always coming into our room to
hang out and chat, or invite us to play -
22:28 - 22:30the new video game system that Wired is testing."
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22:33 - 22:38He really had different aspirations that were politically-oriented,
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22:38 - 22:42and Silicon Valley just doesn't really quite have that culture
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22:42 - 22:47that orients technical activity for the purposes of political goals.
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22:47 - 22:50Aaron hated working for a corporation.
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22:50 - 22:54They all hate working for Condé Nast, but Aaron
is the only one who is not going to take it. -
22:54 - 22:56And Aaron basically gets himself fired
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22:56 - 22:58by not showing up to work, ever.
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23:01 - 23:05It was said to be a messy breakup.
Both Alexis Ohanian and Steve Huffman -
23:05 - 23:08declined to be interviewed for this film.
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23:09 - 23:16He rejected the business world. One of the really important things to remember about
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23:16 - 23:23that choice, when Aaron decided to leave start-up
culture, is that he was also leaving behind -
23:23 - 23:31the things that had made him famous and well-loved, and he was at risk of letting down fans.
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23:31 - 23:36He got to where he was supposed to be going, and had the self-awareness
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23:36 - 23:43and the orneriness to realize that he had climbed the mountain of shit to pluck
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23:43 - 23:46the single rose and discovered that he'd lost his sense of smell,
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23:46 - 23:50and rather than sit there and insist that it wasn't as bad as it seemed,
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23:50 - 23:54and he did get the rose in any event,
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23:54 - 23:57he climbed back down again, which is pretty cool.
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23:58 - 24:02The way Aaron always saw it, is that
programming is magic-- -
24:02 - 24:07you can accomplish these things that normal
humans can't, by being able to program. -
24:07 - 24:13So if you had magical powers, would you use
them for good, or to make you mountains of cash? -
24:15 - 24:18Swartz was inspired by one of the visionaries
he had met as a child, -
24:18 - 24:22the man who had invented the World Wide Web,
Tim Berners-Lee. -
24:22 - 24:26In the 1990s, Berners-Lee was arguably sitting on
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24:26 - 24:29one of the most lucrative inventions of
the 20th century, -
24:29 - 24:35but instead of profiting from the invention
of the World Wide Web, he gave it away for free. -
24:36 - 24:40It is the only reason the World Wide Web exists today.
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24:41 - 24:45Aaron is certainly deeply influenced by Tim.
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24:45 - 24:51Tim is certainly a very prominent early Internet genius, who doesn't in any sense cash out.
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24:51 - 24:56He's not at all interested in how he's going to figure out how to make a billion dollars.
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24:56 - 24:58People were saying, "Ah, there's money to be made there,"
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24:58 - 25:01so there would have been lots of little webs,
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25:01 - 25:02instead of one big one,
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25:02 - 25:05and one little web, and all sorts of webs doesn't work
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25:05 - 25:08because you can't follow links from one to the other.
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25:10 - 25:14You had to have the critical masses--the thing was the entire planet,
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25:14 - 25:17so it's not going to work unless the whole planet can get on board.
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25:24 - 25:28I feel very strongly that it's not enough to just live in the world as it is,
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25:29 - 25:35to just kind of take what you're given, and you know, follow the things that adults told you to do,
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25:35 - 25:39and that your parents told you to do, and that society tells you to do. I think you should always be questioning.
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25:39 - 25:43I take this very scientific attitude, that
everything you've learned is just provisional, -
25:43 - 25:49that it's always open to recantation or refutation or
questioning, and I think the same applies to society. -
25:49 - 25:53Once I realized that there were real serious problems--fundamental problems--
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25:53 - 25:59that I could do something to address, I didn't see a way to forget that. I didn't see a way not to.
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26:03 - 26:05We just started spending a lot of time,
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26:05 - 26:07just kind of as friends.
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26:09 - 26:12We would just talk, for hours, into the night.
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26:14 - 26:18I definitely should have understood that he was flirting with me. I think to some degree,
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26:18 - 26:24I was, like, this is a terrible idea, and impossible, and therefore I will pretend it is not happening.
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26:25 - 26:29As my marriage was breaking down, and I was
really stuck without anywhere to go, -
26:29 - 26:33we became roommates, and I brought my daughter over.
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26:34 - 26:37We moved in, and furnished the house, and it
was really peaceful. -
26:37 - 26:41My life had not been peaceful for a while, and really neither had his.
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26:46 - 26:54We were extremely close from the beginning of our romantic relationship.
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26:54 - 26:58We just...we were in constant contact.
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26:58 - 27:02But we're both really difficult people to deal with. [laughs]
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27:04 - 27:11In a very Ally McBeal discussion, he confessed he had a theme song, and I made him play it for me.
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27:12 - 27:17It was "Extraordinary Machine" by Fiona Apple.
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27:17 - 27:24I think it was just that sense of kind of being a little bit embattled that the song has,
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27:25 - 27:28and it also had, like, this hopefulness to it.
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27:28 - 27:34♪ By foot it's a slow climb, but I'm good
at being uncomfortable so I can't stop -
27:34 - 27:37changing all the time ♪
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27:37 - 27:44In many ways, Aaron was tremendously optimistic
about life. Even when he didn't feel it, -
27:44 - 27:47he could be tremendously optimistic about life.
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27:47 - 27:50♪ I'm an extraordinary machine ♪
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27:53 - 27:58(Aaron) - What are you doing?
(Quinn) - Flickr has video now. -
28:00 - 28:02Swartz threw his energy into a string of new projects
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28:02 - 28:05involving access to public information,
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28:05 - 28:08including an accountability webside called
"Watchdog.net", -
28:08 - 28:11and a project called "The Open Library".
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28:11 - 28:15So, the Open Library Project is a website that you can visit at openlibrary.org,
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28:15 - 28:20and the idea is to be a huge wiki, an editable website with one page per book.
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28:20 - 28:24So for every book ever published, we want to have a web page about it that combines
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28:24 - 28:30all the information from publishers, from booksellers, from libraries, from readers
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28:30 - 28:35onto one site, and then gives you links where
you can buy it, you can borrow it, or you can browse it. -
28:35 - 28:40I love libraries. I'm the kind of person who
goes to a new city and immediately seeks out the library. -
28:40 - 28:44That's the dream of Open Library, is building this website where both you can leap
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28:44 - 28:49from book to book, from person to author, from subject to idea, go through this vast tree
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28:49 - 28:54of knowledge that's been embedded and lost in big physical libraries, that's hard to find,
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28:54 - 28:59that's not very well-accessible online. It's really important because books are our cultural legacy.
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28:59 - 29:01Books are the place people go to write things down,
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29:01 - 29:06and to have all that swallowed up by one corporation is kind of scary.
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29:07 - 29:11How can you bring public access to the public domain?
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29:11 - 29:15It may sound obvious that you'd have public access to the public domain,
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29:15 - 29:21but in fact it's not true. So the public domain should be free to all, but it's often locked up.
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29:21 - 29:27There's often guard cages. It's like having a national park but with a moat around it,
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29:27 - 29:33and gun turrets pointed out, in case somebody might want to actually come and enjoy the public domain.
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29:33 - 29:39One of the things Aaron was particularly interested in was bringing public access to the public domain.
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29:39 - 29:43This is one of the things that got him into so much trouble.
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29:46 - 29:53I had been trying to get access to federal court records in the United States.
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29:54 - 29:59What I discovered was a puzzling system called "PACER"
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30:00 - 30:03which stands for Public Access to Court Electronic Records.
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30:03 - 30:07I started Googling, and that's when I ran
across Carl Malamud. -
30:09 - 30:15Access to legal materials in the United States is a ten-billion-dollar-per-year business.
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30:15 - 30:23PACER is just this incredible abomination
of government services. It's ten cents a page, -
30:23 - 30:27it's this most braindead code you've ever seen. You can't search it. You can't bookmark anything.
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30:27 - 30:32You've got to have a credit card, and these are public records.
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30:32 - 30:37U.S. district courts are very important--it's
where a lot of our seminal litigation starts: -
30:37 - 30:44civil rights cases, patent cases, all sorts of stuff. Journalists, students, citizens and lawyers
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30:44 - 30:49all need access to PACER, and it fights them every step of the way.
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30:49 - 30:55People without means can't see the law as readily as people that have that Gold American Express card.
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30:55 - 30:58It's a poll tax on access to justice.
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30:58 - 31:04You know, the law is the operating system of our democracy, and you have to pay to see it?
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31:04 - 31:07You know, that's not much of a democracy.
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31:07 - 31:12They make about 120 million dollars a year on the PACER system,
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31:12 - 31:18and it doesn't cost anything near that, according to their own records. In fact, it's illegal.
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31:19 - 31:26The E-Government Act of 2002 states that the courts may charge only to the extent necessary,
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31:26 - 31:30in order to reimburse the costs of running PACER.
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31:35 - 31:40As the founder of Public.Resource.Org, Malamud wanted to protest the PACER charges.
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31:40 - 31:43He started a program called "The PACER Recycling Project,"
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31:43 - 31:47where people could upload PACER documents they had already paid for
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31:47 - 31:50to a free database so others could use them.
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31:50 - 31:55The PACER people were getting a lot of flack from Congress and others about public access,
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31:55 - 32:01and so they put together this system, in 17 libraries across the country there was free PACER access.
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32:02 - 32:08You know, that's one library every 22,000 square miles, I believe, so it wasn't like really convenient.
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32:08 - 32:12I encouraged volunteers to join the so-called "Thumb Drive Corps",
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32:12 - 32:17and download docs from the public access libraries, upload them to the PACER recycling site.
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32:17 - 32:21People take a thumb drive into one of these libraries, and they download a bunch of documents,
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32:21 - 32:25and they send them to me. I mean, it was just a joke.
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32:25 - 32:29In fact, when you clicked on Thumb Drive Corps, there was a Wizard of Oz--
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32:29 - 32:32you know, the Munchkins singing, so a videoclip came up:
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32:32 - 32:35♪ We represent the lollipop guild...♪
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32:35 - 32:39But of course, I get this phone calls from Steve Shultz and Aaron, saying,
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32:40 - 32:43"Gee, we'd like to join the Thumb Drive Corps."
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32:43 - 32:48Around that time, I ran into Aaron at a conference.
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32:48 - 32:52This is something that really has to be a collaboration between a lot of different people.
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32:52 - 32:53So I approached him and I said,
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32:53 - 32:58"Hey, I am thinking about an intervention on the PACER problem."
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33:00 - 33:04Schultz had already developed a program that could automatically download PACER documents
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33:04 - 33:06from the trial libraries.
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33:06 - 33:09Swartz wanted to take a look.
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33:09 - 33:13So, I showed him the code, and I didn't know what would come next,
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33:13 - 33:19but as it turns out, over the course of the next few hours at that conference,
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33:19 - 33:25he was off sitting in a corner, improving my code, recruiting a friend of his
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33:25 - 33:32that lived near one of these libraries to go into the library, and to begin to test his improved code,
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33:32 - 33:38at which point the folks at the courts realized something is not going quite according to plan.
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33:38 - 33:43And data started to come in, and come in, and come in
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33:43 - 33:48and soon there was 760 GB of PACER docs, about 20 million pages.
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33:49 - 33:52Using information retrieved from the trial libraries,
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33:52 - 33:57Swartz was conducting massive automated parallel downloading of the PACER system.
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33:57 - 34:04He was able to acquire nearly 2.7 million Federal Court documents, almost 20 million pages of text.
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34:04 - 34:10Now, I'll grant you that 20 million pages had perhaps exceed the expectations of the people
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34:10 - 34:15running the pilot access project, but surprising a bureaucrat isn't illegal.
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34:15 - 34:19Aaron and Carl decided to go talk to The New York Times about what happened.
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34:20 - 34:26They also caught the attention of the FBI, who began to stake out Swartz's parents' house in Illinois.
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34:27 - 34:31And I get a tweet from his mother saying, "Call me!!"
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34:31 - 34:34So, I think, like, what the hell's going on here?
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34:34 - 34:39And so, finally I get a hold of Aaron and, you know, Aaron's mother was like, "Oh my God, FBI, FBI, FBI!"
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34:40 - 34:46An FBI agent drives down our home's driveway, trying to see if Aaron is in his room.
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34:47 - 34:52I remember being home that day, and wondering why this car was driving down our driveway,
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34:52 - 34:55and just driving back up. That's weird!
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34:57 - 35:05Like, five years later I read this FBI file, and I'm like, "Oh my goodness. That was the FBI agent, in my driveway."
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35:05 - 35:09He was terrified. He was totally terrified.
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35:10 - 35:15He was way more terrified after the FBI actually called him up on the phone,
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35:15 - 35:19and tried to sucker him into coming down to a coffee shop without a lawyer.
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35:19 - 35:24He said he went home and lay down on the bed and, you know, was shaking.
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35:26 - 35:30The downloading also uncovered massive privacy violations in the court documents.
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35:30 - 35:35Ultimately, the courts were forced to change their policies as a result,
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35:35 - 35:40and the FBI closed their investigation without bringing charges.
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35:40 - 35:43To this day, I find it remarkable
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35:43 - 35:48that anybody, even at the most remote podunk field office of the FBI,
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35:48 - 35:52thought that a fitting use for taxpayer dollars was investigating people
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35:52 - 35:55for criminal theft on the grounds that they had made the law public.
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35:55 - 35:58How can you call yourself a lawman,
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35:58 - 36:02and think that there could possibly be anything wrong in this whole world
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36:02 - 36:04with making the law public?
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36:04 - 36:09Aaron was willing to put himself at risk for the causes that he believed in.
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36:09 - 36:16Bothered by wealth disparity, Swartz moves beyond technology, and into a broader range of political causes.
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36:16 - 36:22I went into Congress, and I invited him to come and hang out and intern for us for a while
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36:22 - 36:25so that he could learn the political process.
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36:25 - 36:31He was sort of learning about new community and a new set of skills and kind of learning to hack politics.
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36:31 - 36:37It seems ridiculous that miners should have to hammer away until their whole bodies are dripping with sweat
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36:37 - 36:41faced with the knowledge that if they dare to stop, they won't able to put food on the table that night,
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36:41 - 36:47while I get to make larger and larger amounts of money each day just by sitting and watching TV.
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36:47 - 36:49But apparently the world is ridiculous.
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36:49 - 36:53So, I co-founded a group called "The Progressive Change Campaign Committee",
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36:53 - 36:58and what we try and do is we try to organize people over the Internet who care about progressive politics
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36:58 - 37:01and moving the country toward a more progressive direction
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37:01 - 37:04to kind of come together, join our email list, join our campaigns
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37:04 - 37:06and help us to get progressive candidates elected all across the country.
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37:06 - 37:13The group is responsible for igniting the grassroots effort behind the campaign to elect Elizabeth Warren to the Senate.
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37:13 - 37:18He might have thought it was a dumb system but he came in and he said, "I need to learn this system,
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37:18 - 37:21because it can be manipulated like any social system."
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37:22 - 37:26But his passion for knowledge and libraries didn't take a back seat.
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37:26 - 37:31Aaron began to take a closer look at institutions that publish academic journal articles.
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37:32 - 37:36By virtue of being students at a major U.S. university, I assume that you have access
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37:36 - 37:39to a wide variety of scholarly journals.
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37:39 - 37:44Pretty much every major university in the United States pays these sort of licensing fees to organizations like
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37:44 - 37:51JSTOR and Thompson Isi to get access to scholarly journals that the rest of the world can't read.
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37:51 - 37:57These scholarly journals and articles are essentially the entire wealth of human knowledge online,
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37:57 - 38:02and many have been paid for with taxpayer money or with government grants,
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38:02 - 38:09but to read them, you often have to pay again handing over steep fees to publishers like Reed-Elsevier.
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38:09 - 38:15These licenses fees are so substantial that people who are studying in India, instead of studying in United States,
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38:15 - 38:19don't have this kind of access. They are locked out from all of these journals.
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38:19 - 38:23They are locked out from our entire scientific legacy.
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38:23 - 38:27I mean, a lot of these journal articles, they go back to The Enlightenment.
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38:27 - 38:32Every time someone has written down a scientific paper, it's been scanned, digitized, and put in these collections.
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38:32 - 38:40That is a legacy that has been brought to us by the history of people doing interesting work, the history of scientists.
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38:40 - 38:43It's a legacy that should belong to us as a commons, as a people,
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38:43 - 38:48but instead, it has been locked up and put online by an handful of for-profit corporations
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38:48 - 38:53who then try to get the maximum profit they can out of it.
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38:53 - 38:59So a researcher paid by the university or the people publishes a paper,
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38:59 - 39:02and at the very, very last step of that process, after all the work is done,
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39:02 - 39:07after all the original research is done--the thinking, the lab work, the analysis, after everything is done,
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39:07 - 39:13at that last stage, then the researcher has to hand over his or her copyright to this multi-billion dollar company.
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39:14 - 39:18And it's sick. It's an entire economy built on volunteer labor,
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39:18 - 39:21and then the publishers sit at the very top and scrape off the cream.
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39:22 - 39:29Talk about a scam. One publisher in Britain made a profit of three billion dollars last year.
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39:29 - 39:30I mean, what a racket!
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39:30 - 39:34JSTOR is just a very, very small player in that story
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39:34 - 39:41but for some reason, JSTOR is the player that Aaron decided to confront.
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39:41 - 39:45He'd gone to some conference around Open Access and Open Publishing,
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39:45 - 39:47and I don't know who the person from JSTOR was,
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39:47 - 39:50but I think they--at some point, Aaron asked the question,
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39:50 - 39:55"How much would it cost to open up JSTOR in perpetuity?"
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39:55 - 39:58And they gave some--I think it was two hundred million dollars,
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39:58 - 40:00something that Aaron thought was totally ridiculous.
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40:01 - 40:07Working on a fellowship at Harvard, he knew users on MIT's famously open and fast network next door
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40:07 - 40:12had authorized access to the riches of JSTOR. Swartz saw an opportunity.
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40:12 - 40:14You have a key to those gates,
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40:14 - 40:20and with a little bit of shell script magic, you can get those journal articles.
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40:21 - 40:23On September 24, 2010,
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40:23 - 40:27Swartz registered a newly purchased Acer laptop
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40:27 - 40:31on the MIT network, under the name "Garry Host".
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40:31 - 40:36The client name was registered as "GHost laptop".
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40:36 - 40:39He doesn't hack JSTOR in the traditional sense of hacking.
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40:39 - 40:41The JSTOR database was organized,
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40:41 - 40:44so it was completely trivial to figure out how you could download all the articles in JSTOR,
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40:44 - 40:47because it was basically numbered.
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40:47 - 40:52It was basically slash slash slash...number article 444024 and -25 and -26.
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40:52 - 40:56He wrote a Python script called "keepgrabbing.pi",
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40:56 - 40:59which was like, keeping grabbing one article after another.
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40:59 - 41:02The next day, GHost laptop begins grabbing articles,
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41:02 - 41:09but soon, the computer's IP address is blocked. For Swartz, it's barely a bump in the road.
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41:09 - 41:14He quickly reassigns his computer's IP address and keeps downloading.
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41:14 - 41:18Well, JSTOR and MIT take a number of steps to try to interfere with this
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41:18 - 41:20when they notice that this is happening,
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41:20 - 41:22and when the more modest steps don't work,
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41:22 - 41:27then at a certain stage, JSTOR just cuts off MIT from having access to the JSTOR database.
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41:27 - 41:30So there's a kind of cat-and-mouse game
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41:30 - 41:34around getting access to the JSTOR database.
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41:34 - 41:40Aaron, ultimately, obviously is the cat because he has more technical capability
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41:40 - 41:43than the JSTOR database people do in defending them.
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41:43 - 41:47Eventually, there was an unlocked supply closet in the basement of one of the buildings,
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41:47 - 41:51and he went, instead of going through WiFi, he went down there and he just plugged his computer directly into the network
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41:51 - 41:57and just left it there with an external hard drive downloading these articles to the computer.
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41:57 - 42:02Unknown to Swartz, his laptop and hard drive had been found by authorities.
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42:03 - 42:06They didn't stop the downloads.
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42:06 - 42:09Instead, they installed a surveillance camera.
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42:11 - 42:15They found the computer in this room in the basement of an MIT building.
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42:15 - 42:20They could have unplugged it. They could have waited for the guy to come back and said,
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42:20 - 42:24"Dude, what are you doing, you know, cut it out. Who are you?"
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42:24 - 42:26They could have done all that kind of stuff, but they didn't.
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42:26 - 42:30What they wanted to do was film it to gather evidence to make a case.
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42:30 - 42:36That's the only reason you film something like that.
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42:38 - 42:42At first, the only person caught on the glitchy surveillance camera
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42:42 - 42:46was using the closet as a place to store bottles and cans.
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42:53 - 42:57But days later, it caught Swartz.
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43:06 - 43:11Swartz is replacing the hard drive. He takes it out of his backpack,
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43:11 - 43:15leans out of frame for about five minutes,
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43:15 - 43:22and then leaves.
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43:37 - 43:42And then they organized, like, a stakeout where, as he was biking home from MIT,
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43:42 - 43:45these cops came out from either side of the road,
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43:45 - 43:48or something like that, and started going after him.
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43:49 - 43:54He describes that he was pressed down and assaulted by the police.
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43:55 - 43:58He tells me that they--it's unclear that they were police that were after him.
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43:58 - 44:03He thought that someone was trying to attack him.
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44:03 - 44:06He does tell me they beat him up.
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44:08 - 44:15It was just devastating. The notion of any kind of criminal prosecution of anyone in our family or anything
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44:15 - 44:18was so foreign and incomprehensible, I didn't know what to do.
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44:18 - 44:24Well, they execute search warrants at Aaron's house, his apartment in Cambridge, in his office at Harvard.
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44:28 - 44:34Two days before the arrest, the investigation had gone beyond JSTOR and the local Cambridge police.
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44:34 - 44:38It had been taken over by the United States Secret Service.
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44:38 - 44:43The Secret Service began investigating computer and credit card fraud in 1984,
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44:43 - 44:46but six weeks after the attack on 9/11, their role expanded.
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44:47 - 44:49[applause]
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44:50 - 44:56President Bush used The Patriot Act to establish a network of what they called "Electronic Crimes Task Forces".
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44:57 - 45:01The bill before me takes account of the new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists.
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45:02 - 45:07According to the Secret Service, they are primarily engaged in activity with economic impact,
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45:07 - 45:11organized criminal groups, or use of schemes involving new technology.
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45:11 - 45:16The Secret Service turned Swartz's case over to the Boston U.S. Attorney's office.
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45:16 - 45:19There was a guy in the U.S. attorney's office who had the title
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45:19 - 45:22"Head of the Computer Crimes Division or Task Force"
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45:22 - 45:24I don't know what else he had going,
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45:24 - 45:29but you're certainly not much of a "Computer Crimes Prosecutor" without a computer crime to prosecute,
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45:30 - 45:35so he jumped on it, kept if for himself, didn't assign it to someone else within the office or the unit
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45:36 - 45:38and that's Steve Heymann.
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45:38 - 45:42Prosecutor Stephen Heymann has been largely out of public view since the arrest of Aaron Swartz,
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45:42 - 45:47but he can be seen here, in an episode of the television show American Greed,
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45:47 - 45:50filmed around the time of Aaron's arrest.
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45:50 - 45:53He is describing his previous case against the notorious hacker Alberto Gonzales,
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45:54 - 45:57a case that garnered Heymann enormous press attention and accolades.
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45:57 - 46:02Gonzales masterminded the theft of over a hundred million credit card and ATM numbers,
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46:02 - 46:05the largest such fraud in history.
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46:05 - 46:10Here, Heymann, describing Gonzales, gives his view on the hacker mindset:
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46:10 - 46:16These guys are driven by a lot of the same things that we're driven by.
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46:17 - 46:25They have an ego, they like challenge, and of course they like money and everything you can get for money.
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46:25 - 46:30One of the suspects implicated in the Gonzales case was a young hacker named Jonathan James.
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46:30 - 46:33Believing Gonzales' crimes would be pinned on him,
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46:33 - 46:37James committed suicide during the investigation.
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46:37 - 46:41In an early press release describing the government's position in the case of Aaron Swartz,
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46:41 - 46:46Heymann's boss, U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts Carmen Ortiz, said this:
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46:54 - 46:56It is not true. It's obviously not true.
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46:56 - 46:58I'm not saying it's harmless,
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46:58 - 47:04and I'm not saying that we shouldn't criminalize stealing of information,
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47:04 - 47:07but you've got to be much more subtle
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47:09 - 47:14in trying to figure out exactly which kinds of harms are harmful here.
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47:15 - 47:19So the thing about a crowbar is, every time I break into a place with a crowbar,
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47:19 - 47:22I do damage. There is no doubt about it.
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47:22 - 47:24But when Aaron writes a script that says,
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47:24 - 47:28"download download download" a hundred times in a second,
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47:28 - 47:31there's no obvious damage to anybody.
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47:31 - 47:36If he does that for the purpose of gathering an archive to do academic research on it,
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47:36 - 47:39there is never any damage to anybody.
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47:39 - 47:43He wasn't stealing. He wasn't selling what he got or giving it away.
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47:43 - 47:46He was making a point, as far as I could tell.
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47:46 - 47:48The arrest took its toll on Swartz.
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47:48 - 47:50He just wouldn't talk about it.
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47:50 - 47:51I mean, he was very stressed.
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47:52 - 47:56If you would thought that the FBI was going to come to your doorstep any day,
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47:56 - 48:00anytime you went down the hall, even to do your laundry,
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48:00 - 48:03and they'd break in into your apartment 'cause you left the door unlocked,
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48:03 - 48:07like...I'd be pretty stressed,
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48:07 - 48:13and it was clear, and so Aaron was always sort of like in a dour mood.
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48:19 - 48:24He wouldn't give off any sensitive information about his whereabouts during this time,
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48:24 - 48:28because he was so afraid that the FBI would be waiting for him.
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48:31 - 48:35It was a time of unprecedented social and political activism.
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48:36 - 48:42Time Magazine would later name, as their 2011 Person of the Year, "The Protester".
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48:42 - 48:47There was a kind of hotbed of hacker activity going on.
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48:49 - 48:53WikiLeaks had released a trove of diplomatic cables,
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48:54 - 48:56Manning had been under arrest at the time,
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48:57 - 49:00it was unknown whether he was the source of the leak.
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49:01 - 49:05Anonymous, which is a kind of protest ensemble that
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49:05 - 49:07has a lot of hackers in its ranks,
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49:07 - 49:11were going on various sprees of sorts.
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49:11 - 49:14If you compare that to what he did,
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49:14 - 49:18his stuff should have been left behind for MIT and JSTOR to deal with,
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49:18 - 49:22in a kind of private, professional matter.
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49:22 - 49:28It should have never gotten the attention of the criminal system.
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49:28 - 49:31It just didn't belong there.
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49:37 - 49:40Before he was indicted, Swartz was offered a plea deal
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49:40 - 49:43that involved three months in prison, time in an halfway house,
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49:43 - 49:46and a year of home detention,
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49:46 - 49:48all without the use of a computer.
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49:48 - 49:52It was on the condition that Swartz plead guilty to a felony.
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49:52 - 49:57Here we are: we have no discovery, no evidence whatsoever
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49:57 - 49:59about what the government's case is,
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49:59 - 50:02and we have to make this immense decision
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50:02 - 50:06where the lawyer is pushing you to do this,
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50:06 - 50:10the government is giving you a non-negotiable demand,
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50:10 - 50:13and you're told that your likelihood of prevailing is small.
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50:13 - 50:17So whether you're guilty or not, you're better off taking the deal.
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50:18 - 50:21Boston has its own Computer Crimes Division,
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50:21 - 50:25lots of lawyers, probably more lawyers than they need.
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50:26 - 50:31So, you know, you can imagine all sorts of cases that would be really hard to prosecute,
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50:31 - 50:33because you've got some criminals in Russia,
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50:33 - 50:36or you've got some people inside of a corporation
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50:36 - 50:40that are gonna have five-hundred-dollar lawyers or seven-hundred-dollar-an-hour lawyers
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50:40 - 50:44sitting down against you, and then you've got this case with this kid,
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50:44 - 50:48which is pretty easy to prove that he did something,
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50:48 - 50:53and he's already marked himself as a troublemaker with the FBI,
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50:53 - 50:56so why not go as tough as you can against that guy?
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50:56 - 51:00It's good for you the prosecutor. It's good for the Republic,
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51:00 - 51:02'cause you're fighting all those terrorist types.
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51:02 - 51:04I was so scared.
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51:04 - 51:06I was so scared of having my computer seized.
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51:06 - 51:10I was so scared of going to jail because of my computer being seized.
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51:10 - 51:15I had confidential material from sources from my previous work on my laptop,
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51:15 - 51:21and that is, above all, my priority--is to keep my sources safe.
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51:21 - 51:25I was so scared of what was going to happen to Ada.
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51:25 - 51:28Aaron told me that they'd offered him a deal,
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51:28 - 51:33and he finally just said that he would take it if I told him to,
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51:33 - 51:37and I say--I came real close to saying, "Take it."
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51:38 - 51:43He had these--he had developed, like, serious political aspirations
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51:43 - 51:46in the intervening time, between when, you know,
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51:46 - 51:51that moment when he ended that entrepreneurial start-up life,
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51:51 - 51:56and begun this new life that had come to this political activism,
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51:57 - 52:04and he just didn't believe that he could continue in his life with a felony.
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52:04 - 52:07You know, he said to me one day, we were walking by the White House,
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52:07 - 52:12and he said to me, "They don't let felons work there."
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52:18 - 52:22And you know he really--he really wanted that to be his life.
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52:22 - 52:26He hadn't killed anybody. He hadn't hurt anybody.
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52:26 - 52:28He hadn't, like, stolen money.
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52:28 - 52:33He hadn't done anything that seemed felony-worthy, right? And...
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52:35 - 52:39there is this idea that there is no reason that he should be labelled a felon,
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52:39 - 52:43and taken away his right to vote in many states
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52:43 - 52:46for doing what he did. That's just outrageous.
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52:46 - 52:50It makes sense for him to be maybe fined a bunch of money,
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52:50 - 52:54or asked not to come back to MIT again.
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52:54 - 52:58But to be a felon? To face jail time?
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53:01 - 53:04Swartz turned down the plea deal.
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53:04 - 53:07Heymann redoubled his efforts.
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53:07 - 53:12Heymann continued to press us at all levels.
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53:12 - 53:15Even with the physical evidence seized from Aaron's
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53:15 - 53:18Acer computer harddrive and USB drive,
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53:18 - 53:21the prosecutors needed evidence of his motives.
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53:21 - 53:25Why was Aaron Swartz downloading articles from JSTOR,
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53:25 - 53:28and just what did he plan to do with them?
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53:29 - 53:32The government claims that he was planning to publish these.
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53:32 - 53:36We don't really know whether that was his real intention
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53:37 - 53:43because Aaron also had a history of doing projects where he'd analyze giant data sets of articles
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53:43 - 53:45in order to learn interesting things about them.
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53:45 - 53:48The best evidence for that was that, when he was at Stanford,
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53:48 - 53:53he also downloaded the whole Westlaw legal database.
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53:53 - 53:56In a project with Stanford law students,
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53:56 - 53:58Swartz had downloaded the Westlaw legal database.
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53:58 - 54:02He uncovered troubling connections between funders of legal research
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54:02 - 54:04and favorable results.
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54:04 - 54:07He did this amazing analysis of for-profit companies
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54:07 - 54:11giving money to law professors who wrote law review articles
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54:11 - 54:15which were then beneficial to, like, Exxon during an oil spill.
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54:15 - 54:19So it was a very corrupt system of funding, you know, vanity research.
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54:19 - 54:23Swartz had never released the Westlaw documents.
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54:23 - 54:26In theory, he could have been doing the same thing about the JSTOR database.
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54:26 - 54:27That would have been completely okay.
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54:27 - 54:33If he were, on the other hand, intending to create a competitive service to JSTOR,
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54:33 - 54:35like, we're going to set up our own, you know,
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54:35 - 54:39access to the Harvard Law Review and charge money for it,
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54:39 - 54:42then, okay, now it seems like criminal violation
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54:42 - 54:45because you're commercially trying to exploit this material,
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54:45 - 54:48but it's kind of crazy to imagine that's what he was doing.
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54:48 - 54:54So, but then there's the middle case: well, what if he was just trying to liberate it for all of the developing world?
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54:54 - 54:57But depending on what he was doing, it creates a very different character
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54:57 - 55:01to how the law should be thinking about it. The government was prosecuting him
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55:01 - 55:04as if this was like a commercial criminal violation,
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55:04 - 55:07like stealing a whole bunch of credit card records, that it was that kind of crime.
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55:07 - 55:10I don't know what he was going to do with that database,
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55:10 - 55:13but I heard from a friend of his that Aaron had told him
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55:13 - 55:18he was going to analyze the data for evidence of corporate funding of climate change research
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55:18 - 55:24that led to biased results, and I totally believe that.
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55:25 - 55:29I was just told that Steve wanted to talk to me,
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55:29 - 55:33and I thought maybe this was a way I could get out of this,
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55:33 - 55:35just exit the situation,
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55:35 - 55:38and I didn't want to live in fear of having my computer seized.
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55:39 - 55:43I didn't want to live in fear of having to go to jail on a contempt of court charge
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55:43 - 55:46if they tried to compel me to decrypt my computer.
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55:46 - 55:50When they came to me and said, "Steve wants to talk to you,"
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55:50 - 55:52that seemed reasonable.
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55:53 - 55:57They offered Norton what is known as a "Queen For A Day" letter, or a proffer.
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55:57 - 56:00It allowed prosecutors to ask questions about Aaron's case.
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56:00 - 56:04Norton would be given immunity from prosecution herself,
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56:04 - 56:06for any information she revealed during the meeting.
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56:06 - 56:09I didn't like it. I told my lawyers repeatedly
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56:09 - 56:13that I didn't...this seemed fishy, I didn't like this, I didn't want immunity,
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56:13 - 56:16I didn't need immunity, I hadn't done anything,
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56:16 - 56:18but they were really, really stringent that there was--
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56:18 - 56:21they did not want me meeting the prosecutor without immunity.
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56:21 - 56:24[Interviewer] But just to be clear, this is a "Queen For A Day" deal, a proffer.
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56:24 - 56:25-Right, a proffer letter.
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56:25 - 56:30-In which you basically handed information over to them in exchange for protection from prosecution.
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56:30 - 56:35-So, it wasn't handing information over. It was--at least that's not how I saw it--
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56:35 - 56:38it was just having a discussion, having an interview with them.
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56:38 - 56:40-Well, they're asking you questions...
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56:40 - 56:42-and they can ask about whatever they want...
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56:42 - 56:45- and whatever they learn...
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56:45 - 56:50-They can't have you prosecuted for that.
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56:50 - 56:53I repeatedly--I repeatedly tried to turn down the proffer letter.
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56:53 - 56:56I was ill. I was being pressured by my lawyers.
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56:56 - 57:01I was confused. I was not doing well by this point.
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57:01 - 57:06I was depressed, and I was scared, and I didn't understand the situation I was in.
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57:06 - 57:09I had no idea why I was in this situation.
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57:09 - 57:13I hadn't done anything interesting, much less wrong.
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57:13 - 57:15We went out of our minds.
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57:15 - 57:19Aaron was clearly very distraught about it. We were very distraught about it.
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57:19 - 57:20Aaron's attorneys were very distraught about it.
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57:20 - 57:23We tried to get Quinn to change attorneys.
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57:23 - 57:28I was very unused to being in a room with large men, well-armed,
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57:28 - 57:33that are continually telling me I'm lying, and that I must have done something.
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57:34 - 57:37I told them that this thing that they were prosecuting
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57:37 - 57:40wasn't a crime.
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57:40 - 57:43I told them that they were on the wrong side of history.
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57:43 - 57:47I used that phrase. I said, "You're on the wrong side of history."
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57:48 - 57:52And they looked bored. They didn't even look angry. They just looked bored,
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57:52 - 57:57and it began to occur to me that we weren't having the same conversation.
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57:57 - 58:02I mean, I told them plenty of things about, you know, why people would download journal articles,
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58:02 - 58:06and eventually--I don't remember what was around it--
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58:06 - 58:11I mentioned that he'd done this blog post, the "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto".
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58:12 - 58:16This is the "Guerrilla Open Access Manifesto",
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58:16 - 58:20supposedly written in July, 2008 in Italy.
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58:20 - 58:25"Information is power. But like all power, there are those who want to keep it for themselves."
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58:25 - 58:29"The world's entire scientific and cultural heritage,
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58:29 - 58:34is increasingly being digitized and locked up by a handful of private corporations."
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58:34 - 58:38"Meanwhile, those who have been locked out are not standing idly by."
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58:38 - 58:40"You have been sneaking through holes and climbing over fences,
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58:40 - 58:44liberating the information locked up by the publishers and sharing them with your friends."
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58:44 - 58:48"But all of this action goes on in the dark, hidden underground."
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58:48 - 58:51"It's called stealing or piracy, as if sharing a wealth of knowledge were
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58:51 - 58:55"the moral equivalent of plundering a ship and murdering its crew."
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58:55 - 58:57"But sharing isn't immoral — it's a moral imperative."
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58:57 - 59:01"Only those blinded by greed would refuse to let a friend make a copy."
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59:01 - 59:04"There's no justice in following unjust laws."
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59:04 - 59:08"It's time to come into the light and, in the grand tradition of civil disobedience,
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59:08 - 59:12declare our opposition to this private theft of public culture."
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59:12 - 59:19The Manifesto itself was allegedly written by four different people, and also edited by Norton.
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59:19 - 59:21But it was Swartz who had signed his name to it.
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59:21 - 59:28When it's over, I go immediately to Aaron and tell him everything I can remember about it,
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59:28 - 59:30and he gets very angry.
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59:34 - 59:38The things that I'd done shouldn't have added up that way.
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59:40 - 59:45I hadn't done anything wrong, and everything had gone wrong,
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59:47 - 59:50but I was never...
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59:57 - 60:00I'm still angry.
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60:01 - 60:07I'm still angry that you could try your best with these people to do the right thing,
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60:07 - 60:09and they'd turn everything against you,
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60:09 - 60:14and they will hurt you with anything they can.
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60:15 - 60:19And in that moment, I regret that I said what I did.
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60:20 - 60:23But my much larger regret is that we have settled for this.
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60:24 - 60:26That we are okay with this.
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60:26 - 60:28That we are okay with the justice system,
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60:28 - 60:32a system that tries to game people into little traps so they can ruin their lives.
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60:33 - 60:35So yeah, I wish I hadn't said that.
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60:36 - 60:41But I'm much, much angrier that this is where I am.
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60:43 - 60:48That this is what we, as a people, think is okay.
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60:48 - 60:52They used every method that I think they could think of
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60:53 - 60:57to get her to provide information which would be unhelpful to Aaron,
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60:57 - 61:00and helpful to the prosecution of Aaron,
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61:01 - 61:07but I don't think she had information that was helpful to the government.
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61:08 - 61:12Months go by as Swartz's friends and family await a looming indictment.
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61:13 - 61:17In the meantime, Swartz was becoming a go-to expert on a series of internet issues.
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61:17 - 61:20[RT interviewer] ...a question to you then: Do you think that the Internet is something
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61:20 - 61:25that should be considered a human right, and something that the government cannot take away from you?
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61:25 - 61:30Yes, definitely, I mean this notion that national security is an excuse to shut down the Internet,
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61:31 - 61:34that's exactly what we heard in Egypt and Syria and all these other countries,
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61:34 - 61:39and so, yeah, it's true, sites like WikiLeaks are going to be putting up some embarassing material
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61:39 - 61:43about what the U.S. government does, and people are going to be organizing to protest about it,
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61:43 - 61:46and try and change their government. You know, and that's a good thing,
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61:46 - 61:50that's what all these First Amendment Rights of free expression, of freedom of association are all about,
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61:50 - 61:55and so the notion that we should try and shut those down I think, just goes against very basic American principles.
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61:55 - 61:58A principle, I think, is one that our Founding Fathers would have understood.
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61:58 - 62:00If the internet had been around back then,
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62:00 - 62:03instead of putting "post offices" in the Constitution, they would have put "ISPs".
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62:03 - 62:06[RT interviewer] Well, it's definitely interesting to see how far...
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62:06 - 62:11Swartz meets activist Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman, and the two begin to date.
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62:11 - 62:13[Aaron] We need a massive global public outcry.
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62:13 - 62:15[Taren] If there's no massive global public outcry, it won't create any change.
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62:15 - 62:19-You know, four people in this city should cause a massive global public outcry.
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62:19 - 62:22-You know, we need a petition signer.
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62:22 - 62:26Without telling her specifics, he warned her he was involved in something
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62:26 - 62:28he called simply "The Bad Thing".
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62:28 - 62:33And I had sort of crazy theories, like, that he was having an affair with Elizabeth Warren or something.
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62:33 - 62:38I speculated both Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren, actually, but...
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62:38 - 62:41So, sometime in probably late July, Aaron called me,
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62:42 - 62:47and I happened to pick up, and he said, "The Bad Thing" might be in the news tomorrow.
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62:47 - 62:50Do you want me to tell you, or do you want to read about it in the news?"
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62:50 - 62:52And I said, "Well, I want you to tell me."
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62:53 - 62:58Aaron said, "Well, I've been--I've been arrested
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62:58 - 63:03for downloading too many academic journal articles, and they want to make an example out of me."
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63:04 - 63:11And I was like, "That's it? That's the big fuss? Really? It just doesn't sound like a very big deal."
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63:11 - 63:17On July 14, 2011, federal prosecutors indict Swartz on four felony counts.
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63:17 - 63:24He gets indicted on the same day that two people in England who are part of LulzSec get arrested,
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63:25 - 63:30and a few other real hackers. And Aaron is just someone who kind of looks like a hacker,
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63:30 - 63:35enough that they can, you know, put his head on a stake and put it on the gates.
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63:35 - 63:38Aaron went to surrender, and they arrested him.
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63:38 - 63:42They then strip searched him,
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63:43 - 63:48took away his shoelaces, took away his belt, and left him in solitary confinement.
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63:50 - 63:54The District of Massachusetts United States Attorney's Office released a statement
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63:55 - 63:58saying, "Swartz faces up to 35 years in prison,
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63:58 - 64:01to be followed by three years of supervised release,
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64:01 - 64:05restitution, forfeiture and a fine of up to one million dollars."
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64:07 - 64:09He is released on one hundred thousand dollars bail.
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64:09 - 64:12The same day, the primary victim in the case, JSTOR,
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64:13 - 64:18formally drops all charges against Swartz, and declines to pursue the case.
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64:18 - 64:22JSTOR--they weren't our friends--they weren't helpful or friendly to us,
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64:22 - 64:26but they also were just kind of like, "We're not part of this."
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64:26 - 64:30JSTOR, and their parent company, ITHAKA, also sidestepped requests to talk with this film.
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64:31 - 64:34But at the time, they released a statement saying,
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64:34 - 64:38"It was the government's decision whether to prosecute, not JSTOR's."
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64:38 - 64:43And so it's our belief that, with that, the case will be over.
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64:43 - 64:48That we should be able to get Steve Heymann to drop the case, or settle it in some rational way.
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64:49 - 64:51And the government refused.
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64:51 - 64:53[Narrator] Why?
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64:56 - 64:58Well, because I think they wanted to make an example out of Aaron,
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64:58 - 65:01and they said they wanted--the reason why they wouldn't
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65:02 - 65:06move on requiring a felony conviction and jail time
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65:06 - 65:13was that they wanted to use this case as a case for deterrence. They told us that.
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65:13 - 65:15[Interviewer] They told you that?
- Yes. -
65:15 - 65:17-This was going to be an example?
-Yes. -
65:17 - 65:20-He was going to be made an example?
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65:20 - 65:22Steve Heymann said that.
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65:22 - 65:26Deterring who? There's other people out there running around logging onto JSTOR,
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65:27 - 65:30and downloading the articles to make a political statement? I mean, who are they deterring?
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65:30 - 65:35It would be easier to understand the Obama administration's
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65:35 - 65:38posture of supposedly being for deterrence
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65:38 - 65:41if this was an administration that, for instance,
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65:41 - 65:44prosecuted arguably the biggest economic crime
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65:44 - 65:46that this country has seen in the last hundred years--
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65:46 - 65:50the crimes that were committed that led to the financial crisis on Wall Street.
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65:50 - 65:52When you start deploying
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65:52 - 65:56the non-controversial idea of deterrence
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65:57 - 65:58only selectively
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65:58 - 66:02you stop making a dispassionate analysis of law-breaking
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66:02 - 66:07and you started deciding to deploy law enforcement resources
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66:07 - 66:10specifically on the basis of political ideology,
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66:10 - 66:15and that's not just undemocratic, it's supposed to be un-American.
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66:19 - 66:24Prosecutor Stephen Heymann later reportedly told MIT's outside counsel
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66:25 - 66:27that the straw that broke the camel's back
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66:27 - 66:31was a press release sent out by an organization Swartz founded called "Demand Progress".
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66:32 - 66:36According to the MIT account, Heymann reacted to the short statement of support,
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66:36 - 66:40calling it a "wild internet campaign" and a "foolish move"
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66:40 - 66:44that moved the case from a human one-on-one level to an institutional level.
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66:44 - 66:49That was a poisonous combination: a prosecutor who didn't want to lose face,
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66:49 - 66:53who had a political career in the offing, maybe, and didn't want to have this come back and haunt them.
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66:54 - 66:58You spend how many tax dollars arresting someone for taking too many books out of the library,
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66:58 - 67:01and then got your ass handed to you in court? No way!
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67:02 - 67:06I then moved to try to put pressure on MIT in various ways to get them
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67:06 - 67:11to go to the government, and request the government to stop the prosecution.
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67:11 - 67:15[Interviewer] What is MIT's reaction to that?
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67:15 - 67:19There doesn't seem to be any reaction from MIT at that point.
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67:23 - 67:26MIT doesn't defend Aaron
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67:26 - 67:31which, to people inside of the MIT community, seems outrageous,
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67:31 - 67:36because MIT is a place that encourages hacking in the biggest sense of the word.
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67:36 - 67:41At MIT, the idea of going and running around on roofs and tunnels that you weren't allowed to be in
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67:41 - 67:47was not only a rite of passage, it was part of the MIT tour,
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67:47 - 67:51and lockpicking was a winter course at MIT.
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67:51 - 67:56They had the moral authority to stop it in its tracks.
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67:56 - 68:02MIT never stood up and took a position of saying to the Feds, "Don't do this."
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68:02 - 68:06"We don't want you to do this. You're overreacting. This is too strong."
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68:06 - 68:09...that I'm aware of.
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68:09 - 68:14They acted kind of like any corporation would. They sort of--they helped the government,
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68:15 - 68:21they didn't help us, unless they felt they had to, and they never tried to stop it.
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68:23 - 68:26MIT declined repeated requests to comment,
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68:26 - 68:30but they later released a report saying they attempted to maintain a position of neutrality,
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68:31 - 68:36and believed Heymann and the U.S. Attorney's office did not care what MIT thought or said about the case.
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68:36 - 68:42MIT's behaviour seemed really at odds with the MIT ethos.
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68:42 - 68:47You could argue that MIT turned a blind eye, and that was okay for them to do,
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68:47 - 68:53but taking that stance--taking that neutral stance, in and of itself--was taking a pro-prosecutor stance.
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68:53 - 68:56If you look at Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak,
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68:56 - 69:01they started by selling a Blue Box, which was a thing designed to defraud the phone company.
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69:02 - 69:05If you look at Bill Gates and Paul Allen,
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69:05 - 69:09they initially started their business by using computer time at Harvard,
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69:09 - 69:11which was pretty clearly against the rules.
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69:12 - 69:14The difference between Aaron and the people I just mentioned
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69:14 - 69:18is that Aaron wanted to make the world a better place, he didn't just want to make money.
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69:19 - 69:23Swartz continues to be outspoken on a variety of internet issues.
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69:24 - 69:29You know, the reason the internet works is because of the competitive marketplace of ideas,
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69:29 - 69:33and what we need to be focusing on is getting more information about our government, more accessibility,
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69:33 - 69:38more discussion, more debate, but instead it seems like what congress is focused on is shutting things down.
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69:39 - 69:44Aaron thought he could change the world just by explaining the world very clearly to people.
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69:45 - 69:49[RT interviewer] Flame can literally control your computer, and make it spy on you.
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69:49 - 69:53Welcome, Aaron. Good to have you back on the show here.
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69:53 - 69:57You know, just like spies used to in olden days, put microphones and tap what people were saying,
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69:57 - 70:00now they're using computers to do the same things.
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70:00 - 70:02[Narrator] Swartz's political activity continues,
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70:02 - 70:07his attention turning to a bill moving through Congress designed to curb online piracy.
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70:07 - 70:09It was called "SOPA".
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70:09 - 70:13Activists like Peter Eckersley saw it as an enormous overreach,
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70:13 - 70:16threatening the technical integrity of the Internet itself.
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70:16 - 70:19[Ekersley] And one of the first things I did was to call Aaron.
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70:19 - 70:22And I said, "Can we do a big online campaign against this?"
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70:22 - 70:25"This isn't a bill about copyright."
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70:25 - 70:27"It's not?"
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70:27 - 70:30"No," he said, "it's a bill about the freedom to connect."
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70:31 - 70:32Now I was listening.
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70:33 - 70:36And he thought about it for a while, and then said, "Yes."
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70:36 - 70:39And he went and founded Demand Progress.
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70:39 - 70:44Demand Progress is an online activism organization, we've got around a million and a half members now,
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70:44 - 70:47but started in the fall of 2010.
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70:47 - 70:51Aaron was one of the most prominent people in a community of people
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70:51 - 70:56who helped lead organizing around social justice issues at the federal level in this country.
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70:56 - 71:01SOPA was the bill that was intended to curtail online piracy of music and movies,
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71:02 - 71:07but what it did was basically take a sledgehammer to a problem that needed a scalpel.
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71:07 - 71:13If passed, the law would allow a company to cut off finances to entire websites without due process,
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71:14 - 71:17or even to force Google to exclude their links.
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71:17 - 71:21All they needed was a single claim of copyright infringement.
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71:21 - 71:27It pitted the titans of traditional media against a new and now far more sophisticated remix culture.
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71:27 - 71:30It makes everyone who runs a website into a policeman,
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71:31 - 71:34and if they don't do their job of making sure that nobody on their site uses it for anything
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71:34 - 71:39that's even potentially illegal, the entire site can get shut down without even so much as a trial.
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71:39 - 71:44This was over the top, I mean, this was a catastrophe.
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71:44 - 71:52This bill poses a serious threat to speech and civil liberties for all who use the internet.
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71:52 - 71:56There were only a handful of us who said, "Look, we're not for piracy either,
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71:56 - 72:01but it makes no sense to destroy the architecture of the Internet,
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72:01 - 72:06the domain name system and so much that makes it free and open in the name of fighting piracy,
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72:06 - 72:08and Aaron got that right away.
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72:08 - 72:12The freedoms, guaranteed in our Constitution, the freedoms our country had been built on
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72:12 - 72:14would be suddenly deleted.
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72:15 - 72:19New technology, instead of bringing us greater freedom, would have snuffed out fundamental rights
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72:19 - 72:21we'd always taken for granted.
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72:21 - 72:27And I realized that day, talking to Peter, that I couldn't let that happen.
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72:28 - 72:34When SOPA was introduced in October 2011, it was considered inevitable.
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72:34 - 72:38Our strategy, when it first came out, was to hopefully slow the bill down,
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72:38 - 72:42maybe weaken it a little bit but, even we
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72:42 - 72:45didn't think that we would be able to stop this bill.
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72:46 - 72:52Having worked in Washington, what you learn is that, typically in Washington,
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72:52 - 72:58the legislative fights are fights between different sets of corporate monied interests.
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72:58 - 73:02They're all duking it out to pass legislation, and the fights that are the closest
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73:03 - 73:07are when you have one set of corporate interests against another set of corporate interests,
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73:07 - 73:11and they're financially equally matched in terms of campaign contributions and lobbying.
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73:11 - 73:13Those are the closest ones.
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73:13 - 73:16The ones that aren't even fights, typically, are ones
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73:16 - 73:21where all the money is on one side, all the corporations are on one side,
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73:21 - 73:24and it's just millions of people on the other side.
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73:25 - 73:30I haven't seen anything like PIPA and SOPA in all my time in public service.
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73:31 - 73:37There were more than forty United States senators on that bill as co-sponsors,
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73:37 - 73:41so they were already a long, long way to getting the
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73:41 - 73:44sixty votes to have it clear all the procedural hoops.
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73:44 - 73:48Even I began to doubt myself. It was a rough period.
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73:48 - 73:53Swartz and Demand Progress were able to marshal enormous support using traditional outreach,
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73:54 - 73:59combined with commonly used voiceover IP, to make it very easy for people to call Congress.
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74:00 - 74:04I've never met anybody else who was able to operate at his level
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74:04 - 74:08both on the technological side and on the campaign strategy side.
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74:09 - 74:13Millions of people contacted Congress and signed anti-SOPA petitions.
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74:13 - 74:15Congress was caught off guard.
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74:15 - 74:20There was just something about watching those clueless members of Congress debate the bill,
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74:20 - 74:23watching them insist they could regulate the Internet,
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74:23 - 74:25and a bunch of nerds couldn't possibly stop them.
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74:25 - 74:26I am not a nerd.
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74:27 - 74:28I'm just not enough of a nerd...
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74:28 - 74:31Maybe we oughta ask some nerds what this thing really does. [laughter]
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74:31 - 74:33Let's have a hearing, bring in the nerds...
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74:33 - 74:36[laughter]
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74:36 - 74:38Really?
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74:38 - 74:40[laughter]
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74:40 - 74:41"Nerds"?
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74:41 - 74:42[laughter]
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74:42 - 74:46You know, I think, actually the word you're looking for is "experts"...
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74:46 - 74:47[laughter]
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74:47 - 74:52to enlighten you so your laws don't backfire [audience laughter and applause]
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74:52 - 74:54and break the Internet.
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74:54 - 74:57We use the term "geek" but we're allowed to use that because we are geeks.
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74:57 - 75:02The fact that it got as far as it did, without them talking to any technical experts,
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75:02 - 75:05reflects the fact that there is a problem in this town.
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75:05 - 75:12I'm looking for somebody to come before this body, and testify in a hearing and say, "This is why they're wrong."
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75:12 - 75:15There used to be an office that provided science and technology advice,
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75:16 - 75:19and members could go to them and say, "Help me understand X,Y,Z."
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75:19 - 75:22And Gingrich killed it. He said it was a waste of money.
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75:22 - 75:26Ever since then, Congress has plunged into the Dark Ages.
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75:27 - 75:30I don't think anybody really thought that SOPA could be beaten, including Aaron.
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75:30 - 75:34It was worth trying, but it didn't seem winnable,
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75:35 - 75:39and I remember, maybe a few months later, I remember him just turning to me and being like,
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75:39 - 75:41"I think we might win this."
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75:41 - 75:44And I was like, "That would be amazing."
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75:44 - 75:46Calls to Congress continue.
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75:46 - 75:51When the domain hosting site Go Daddy becomes a supporter of the bill,
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75:51 - 75:55tens of thousands of users transferred their domain names in protest.
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75:55 - 76:00Within a week, a humbled Go Daddy reverses their position on SOPA.
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76:00 - 76:06When the congress people that supported the record and movie industries,
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76:06 - 76:11realized that there was this backlash, they kind of scaled the bill back a little bit.
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76:11 - 76:16You could see the curve happening. You could see that our arguments were starting to resonate.
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76:16 - 76:19It was like Aaron had been striking a match and it was being blown out,
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76:19 - 76:21striking another one, and it was being blown out,
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76:21 - 76:25and finally he'd managed to catch enough kindling that the flame actually caught,
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76:25 - 76:28and then it turned into this roaring blaze.
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76:28 - 76:32On January 16, 2012, the White House issued a statement
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76:32 - 76:34saying they didn't support the bill.
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76:34 - 76:37And then this happened:
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76:37 - 76:40I'm a big believer that we should be dealing with issues of piracy,
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76:40 - 76:45and we should deal with them in a serious way, but this bill is not the right bill.
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76:45 - 76:49When Jimmy Wales put his support toward blacking out Wikipedia,
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76:49 - 76:53the number five most popular website in the world,
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76:53 - 76:59this is a website that's seven percent of all of the clicks on anywhere on the internet.
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76:59 - 77:00Wikipedia went black.
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77:00 - 77:01Reddit went black.
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77:01 - 77:03Craigslist went black.
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77:03 - 77:06The phone lines on Capitol Hill flat out melted.
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77:06 - 77:10Members of Congress started rushing to issue statements retracting their support for the bill
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77:11 - 77:14that they were promoting just a couple days ago.
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77:14 - 77:18Within 24 hours, the number of opponents of SOPA in Congress
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77:18 - 77:19went from this...
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77:19 - 77:23to this.
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77:23 - 77:30To see congressmen and senators slowly flip sides throughout the day of the blackout
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77:30 - 77:32was pretty unbelievable.
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77:32 - 77:35There was like a hundred representative swing.
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77:35 - 77:39And that was when, as hard as it was for me to believe, after all this,
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77:39 - 77:41we had won.
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77:41 - 77:43The thing that everyone said was impossible,
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77:43 - 77:46that some of the biggest companies in the world had written off as kind of a pipedream,
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77:47 - 77:49had happened.
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77:49 - 77:50We did it.
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77:51 - 77:53We won.
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77:53 - 77:56
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77:56 - 77:59This is a historic week in internet politics--maybe American politics.
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77:59 - 78:04The thing that we heard from people in Washington, D.C., from the staffers on Capitol Hill was:
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78:04 - 78:09they received more emails and more phone calls on SOPA Blackout Day
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78:09 - 78:11than they'd ever received about anything.
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78:11 - 78:13I think that was an extremely exciting moment.
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78:13 - 78:18This was the moment when the internet had grown up, politically.
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78:18 - 78:21It was exhilarating because it's hard to believe it actually happened.
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78:22 - 78:25It's hard to believe a bill with so much financial power behind it
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78:26 - 78:29didn't simply sail through the Congress.
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78:30 - 78:32And not only did not sail through, it didn't pass at all.
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78:34 - 78:37It's easy sometimes to feel like you're powerless,
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78:37 - 78:41like when you come out on the streets and you march and you yell and nobody hears you.
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78:41 - 78:44But I'm here to tell you today, you are powerful.
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78:44 - 78:46[Crowd cheers]
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78:46 - 78:51So, yeah, maybe sometimes you feel like you're not being listened to, but I'm here to tell you that you are.
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78:51 - 78:53You are being listened to. You are making a difference.
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78:54 - 78:57You can stop this bill if you don't stop fighting.
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78:57 - 79:00[Crowd cheers]
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79:00 - 79:01Stop PIPA.
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79:01 - 79:03Stop SOPA.
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79:03 - 79:04[Crowd cheers]
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79:04 - 79:08Some of the biggest internet companies, to put it frankly, would benefit
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79:08 - 79:11from a world in which their little competitors could get censored.
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79:13 - 79:15We can't let that happen.
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79:15 - 79:19For him, it was more important to be sure that you made a small change
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79:20 - 79:23than to play a small part in a big change.
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79:24 - 79:28But SOPA was like playing a major part in a major change,
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79:28 - 79:31and so for him, it was kind of this proof of concept
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79:31 - 79:35like, "Okay, what I want to do with my life is change the world."
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79:35 - 79:39"I think about it in this really scientific way of measuring my impact,
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79:40 - 79:43and this shows that it's possible."
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79:43 - 79:46"The thing that I want to do with my life is possible."
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79:46 - 79:49"I have proved that I can do it,
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79:49 - 79:51that I, Aaron Swartz, can change the world."
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79:51 - 79:58For a guy who never really thought he had done much--which was Aaron--
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79:59 - 80:04it was one of the few moments where you could really see
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80:04 - 80:07that he felt like he had done something good,
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80:07 - 80:12feeling like here is his maybe one and only victory lap.
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80:14 - 80:16Everyone said there was no way we could stop SOPA.
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80:16 - 80:18We stopped it.
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80:18 - 80:23This is three outrageously good victories, and the year isn't even over yet.
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80:23 - 80:26I mean, if there's a time to be positive, it's now.
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80:27 - 80:30You know, he wins at SOPA a year after he's arrested.
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80:30 - 80:34It's not unambiguously happy moments. There's a lot going on.
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80:34 - 80:40He's so attuned towards participating in the political process, you can't stop him.
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80:41 - 80:45The list of organizations Swartz founded or co-founded is enormous,
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80:45 - 80:48and years before Edward Snowden would expose widespread internet surveillance,
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80:48 - 80:51Swartz was already concerned.
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80:51 - 80:55It is shocking to think that the accountability is so lax
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80:55 - 81:00that they don't even have sort of basic statistics about how big the spying program is.
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81:00 - 81:04And if the answer is: "Oh, we're spying on so many people we can't possibly even count them"
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81:04 - 81:06then that's an awful lot of people.
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81:07 - 81:10It'd be one thing if they said, "Look, we know the number of telephones we're spying on,
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81:10 - 81:13we don't know exactly how many real people that corresponds to."
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81:13 - 81:16but they just came back and said, "We can't give you a number at all."
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81:16 - 81:19That's pretty--I mean, that's scary, is what it is.
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81:19 - 81:26And they put incredible pressure on him, took away all of the money he had made.
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81:26 - 81:30They, you know, threatened to take away his physical freedom.
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81:30 - 81:34Why'd they do it, you know? I mean, well, why are they going after whistleblowers?
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81:35 - 81:39You know, why are they going after people who tell the truth
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81:39 - 81:46about all sorts of things, I mean, from the banks, to war, to just sort of government transparency.
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81:47 - 81:50So secrecy serves those who are already in power,
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81:50 - 81:55and we are living in an era of secrecy that coincides with an era where the government is doing, also,
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81:55 - 81:58a lot of things that are probably illegal and unconstitutional.
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81:59 - 82:02So, those two things are not coincidences.
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82:02 - 82:04It's very clear that this technology has been developed
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82:05 - 82:10not for small countries overseas, but right here, for use in the United States, by the U.S. government.
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82:10 - 82:14The problem with the spying program is it's this sort of long, slow expansion, you know,
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82:15 - 82:17going back to the Nixon administation, right,
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82:17 - 82:20obviously it became big after 9/11 under George W. Bush,
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82:20 - 82:24and Obama has continued to expand it, and the problems have slowly grown worse and worse,
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82:24 - 82:28but there's never been this moment you can point to and say,
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82:28 - 82:32"Okay, we need to galvanize opposition today because today is when it matters..."
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82:32 - 82:39The prosecution, in my estimation of Aaron Swartz, was about sending a particular, laserlike message
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82:39 - 82:45to a group of people that the Obama administration sees as politically threatening,
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82:47 - 82:54and that is, essentially, the hacker, the information, and the democracy activist community,
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82:54 - 83:00and the message that the Obama administration wanted to send to that particular community was,
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83:00 - 83:05in my estimation, "We know you have the ability to make trouble for the establishment,
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83:05 - 83:09and so we are going to try to make an example out of Aaron Swartz
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83:09 - 83:13to scare as many of you as possible into not making that trouble."
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83:14 - 83:17And the government said, "Oh, the legal opinions we're using
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83:17 - 83:20to legalize the spying program are also classified,
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83:21 - 83:24so we can't even tell you which laws we're using to spy on you."
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83:24 - 83:26You know, every time they can say, "Oh, this is another instance of cyberwar.
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83:27 - 83:30The cybercriminals are attacking us again. We're all in danger. We're all under threat."
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83:31 - 83:34They use those as excuses to push through more and more dangerous laws.
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83:36 - 83:40[Interviewer] And so just to follow--personally, how do you feel the fight is going?
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83:41 - 83:42It's up to you!
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83:42 - 83:46-I know. It's just that we gotta, you know...
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83:48 - 83:53You know, there's sort of these two polarizing perspectives, right--
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83:53 - 83:57everything is great, the Internet has created all this freedom and liberty, and everything's going to be fantastic
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83:57 - 83:59or everything is terrible,
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83:59 - 84:02the internet has created all these tools for cracking down and spying,
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84:02 - 84:04and controlling what we say.
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84:04 - 84:06And the thing is, both are true, right?
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84:06 - 84:10The Internet has done both, and both are kind of amazing and astonishing
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84:10 - 84:13and which one will win out in the long run is up to us.
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84:13 - 84:17It doesn't make sense to say, "Oh, one is doing better than the other." You know, they're both true.
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84:18 - 84:21And it's up to us which ones we emphasize and which ones we take advantage of
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84:21 - 84:24because they're both there, and they're both always going to be there.
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84:29 - 84:35On September 12, 2012, federal prosecutors filed a superseding indictment against Swartz,
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84:35 - 84:40adding additional counts of wire fraud, unauthorized access to a computer, and computer fraud.
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84:41 - 84:46Now, instead of four felony counts, Swartz was facing thirteen.
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84:46 - 84:49The prosecution's leverage had dramatically increased,
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84:49 - 84:52as did Swartz's potential jail time and fines.
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84:52 - 84:55They filed a separate indictment to add more charges,
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84:56 - 85:02and they had a theory about why this conduct constituted a number of federal crimes,
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85:02 - 85:06and that a very significant sentence could attach to it under the law.
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85:07 - 85:10That theory, and much of the prosecution's case against Swartz,
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85:11 - 85:14involved a law created originally in 1986.
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85:14 - 85:17It is called the "Computer Fraud and Abuse Act".
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85:17 - 85:19The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
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85:19 - 85:22was inspired by the movie War Games with Matthew Broderick--great movie.
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85:22 - 85:24[Broderick] I have you now.
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85:24 - 85:28In this movie, a kid gets the ability, through the magic of computer networks,
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85:28 - 85:30to launch a nuclear attack.
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85:31 - 85:34[missiles firing up]
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85:34 - 85:38You know, that's not actually possible, and it certainly wasn't possible in the '80s
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85:38 - 85:42but apparently this movie scared Congress enough to
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85:42 - 85:45pass the original Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
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85:45 - 85:49This is a law that's just behind the times, for example, it penalizes
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85:49 - 85:54a Terms of Service kind of arrangement. You can have something like
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85:54 - 86:01eHarmony or Match.com, and somebody sort of inflates their own personal characteristics,
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86:01 - 86:05and all of a sudden, depending on the jurisdiction and the prosecutors,
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86:06 - 86:08they could be in a whole host of troubles.
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86:08 - 86:10We all know what "Terms of Use" are.
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86:11 - 86:14Most people don't read them, but not abiding by their terms could mean
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86:14 - 86:16you are committing a felony.
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86:17 - 86:19The website Terms of Service often say things like:
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86:19 - 86:22"Be nice to each other," or "Don't do anything that's improper."
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86:23 - 86:27The idea that the Criminal Law has anything to say about these kinds of violations,
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86:28 - 86:31I think, strikes most people as crazy.
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86:31 - 86:33The examples get even more "crazy":
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86:34 - 86:40Until it was changed in March of 2013, the Terms of Use on the website of Hearst's Seventeen magazine
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86:40 - 86:43said you had to be eighteen in order to read it.
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86:43 - 86:47I would say that the way the CFAA has been interpreted by the Justice Department,
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86:47 - 86:49we are probably all breaking the law.
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86:50 - 86:55Vague and prone to misuse, the CFAA has become a one-size-fits-all hammer
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86:55 - 86:58for a wide range of computer-related disputes.
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86:58 - 87:00Though not the only factor in his case,
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87:01 - 87:05eleven of the thirteen charges against Swartz involved the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
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87:07 - 87:11The question "Why?" hangs over much of the story of Aaron Swartz.
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87:12 - 87:16Just what was motivating the government, and what would their case have been?
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87:16 - 87:20The Department of Justice declined requests for answers,
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87:20 - 87:24but Professor Orin Kerr is a former prosecutor who has studied the case.
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87:24 - 87:28So, I think I come about this case from a different direction than other people on a number of reasons:
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87:28 - 87:31I was a federal prosecutor at the Justice Department for three years
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87:31 - 87:34before I started teaching. The government came forward
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87:34 - 87:38with an indictment based on what crimes they thought were committed,
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87:39 - 87:42just as a purely lawyer's matter, looking at the precedents, looking at the statute,
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87:43 - 87:46looking at the history, looking at the cases that are out there so far,
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87:46 - 87:49I think it was a fair indictment based on that.
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87:50 - 87:52You can debate whether they should have charged this case.
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87:52 - 87:57There's just a lot of disagreement. Some people are on the Open Access side, some people are not.
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87:58 - 88:03I think the government took Swartz's "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto" very seriously,
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88:04 - 88:10and I think they saw him as somebody who was committed, as a moral imperative,
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88:10 - 88:15to breaking the law to overcome a law that Swartz saw as unjust,
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88:15 - 88:21and in a democracy, if you think a law is unjust, there are ways of changing that law.
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88:21 - 88:24There's going to Congress, as Swartz did so masterfully with SOPA,
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88:25 - 88:28or you can violate that law in a way to try to nullify that law,
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88:29 - 88:34and I think what was driving the prosecution was the sense that Swartz was committed,
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88:34 - 88:40not just to breaking the law, but to really making sure that law was nullified,
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88:40 - 88:44that everyone would have access to the database in a way that
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88:44 - 88:47you couldn't put the toothpaste back into the tube.
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88:47 - 88:51It would be done, and Swartz's side would win.
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88:53 - 88:56There's a big disagreement in society as to whether that is an unjust law,
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88:56 - 89:00and ultimately, that is a decision for the American people to make, working through Congress.
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89:01 - 89:04And then the second problem is, I think, we're still trying to figure out:
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89:04 - 89:08What's the line between less serious offences and more serious offences?
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89:08 - 89:12We're now entering this different environment of computers and computer misuse,
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89:13 - 89:17and we don't yet have a really strong sense of exactly what these lines are
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89:17 - 89:19because we're just working that out.
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89:20 - 89:22This is a poor use of prosecutorial discretion.
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89:23 - 89:26The hammer that the Justice Department has to scare people with
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89:26 - 89:29just gets bigger and bigger and bigger,
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89:29 - 89:33and so most people just--you know, you can't roll the dice with your life like that.
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89:33 - 89:36Should we tap somebody's phone? Should we film them?
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89:36 - 89:39Should we turn somebody and get them to testify against these other people?
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89:40 - 89:42That's how federal agents and prosecutors think.
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89:43 - 89:45They build cases. They make cases.
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89:47 - 89:51Swartz was caught in the gears of a brutal criminal justice system that could not turn back,
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89:52 - 89:57a machine that has made America the country with the highest rate of incarceration in the world.
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89:58 - 90:03We have, in this country, allowed ourselves to be captured by the politics of fear and anger,
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90:03 - 90:08and anything we're afraid of, like the future of the Internet and access,
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90:08 - 90:13and anything we're angry about, instinctively creates a criminal justice intervention,
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90:14 - 90:19and we've used jail, prison, and punishment to resolve a whole host of problems
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90:19 - 90:23that, historically, were never seen as criminal justice problems.
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90:23 - 90:29The impulse to threaten, indict, prosecute, which is part of what
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90:29 - 90:32has created this debate and controversy over online access and information on the internet,
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90:33 - 90:36is very consistent with what we've seen in other areas.
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90:36 - 90:40The one difference is that the people who are usually targeted and victimized
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90:40 - 90:46by these kinds of criminal and carceral responses are typically poor and minority.
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90:48 - 90:51Swartz's isolation from friends and family increased.
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90:51 - 90:54He had basically stopped working on anything else,
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90:54 - 90:57and the case was, in fact, taking over sort of his whole life.
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90:57 - 91:02One of Aaron's lawyers apparently told the prosecutors that he was emotionally vulnerable,
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91:03 - 91:07and that that was something they really needed to keep in mind so that they knew that.
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91:07 - 91:10It was weighing on him very heavily.
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91:10 - 91:15He did not like having his actions and his movements restricted in any way,
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91:16 - 91:21and the threat of jail, which they pounded him with a lot,
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91:22 - 91:24was terrifying to him.
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91:24 - 91:27Completely exhausted his financial resouces,
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91:27 - 91:32and it cost us a lot of money also, and he raised a substantial amount of money,
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91:33 - 91:36so it was, you know, it was in the millions of dollars.
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91:37 - 91:39[Interviewer] The legal defence?
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91:39 - 91:41-Was in millions?
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91:41 - 91:44I think he didn't want to be a burden to people.
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91:44 - 91:48I think that was a factor like, "I have my normal life,
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91:48 - 91:50and then I have this shitty thing I have to deal with,
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91:50 - 91:53and I try to keep the two of them as separate as possible,
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91:53 - 91:57but they were just beginning to blur together and everything was becoming shitty."
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91:59 - 92:03Swartz faced a tough choice that was only getting tougher:
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92:03 - 92:05Do you admit guilt and move on with your life,
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92:05 - 92:07or do you fight a broken system?
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92:08 - 92:10With his legal case, the answer was simple:
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92:10 - 92:13He rejects a final plea deal and a trial date is set.
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92:13 - 92:17Aaron was resolute that he didn't want to knuckle under and accept something
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92:17 - 92:22that he didn't believe was fair, but I also think he was scared.
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92:33 - 92:35I don't think they would have convicted Aaron.
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92:35 - 92:39I think we would have walked him out of that courthouse, and I would have given him a big hug,
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92:39 - 92:44and we would have walked across that little river in Boston, and gone and had a couple of beers.
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92:46 - 92:50I really thought that we were right. I thought that we were going to win the case.
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92:50 - 92:52I thought that we could win the case.
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92:52 - 92:55He didn't talk about it very much, but you could see
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92:55 - 92:58the enormous pain that he was going through.
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93:02 - 93:05No time in his childhood did Aaron have any severe mood swings
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93:05 - 93:11or depressive episodes or anything that I would describe as "severe depression"
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93:11 - 93:14and it's possible, you know, he was depressed. People get depressed.
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93:19 - 93:23Very early in our relationship, three or four weeks in or something,
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93:24 - 93:27I remember him saying to me
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93:28 - 93:31that I was a lot stronger than he was.
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93:31 - 93:34You know, he was brittle in a lot of ways.
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93:34 - 93:37Things were a lot harder for him than for a lot of people.
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93:37 - 93:40That was part of his brilliance, too.
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93:41 - 93:47I think he probably had something like clinical depression in his early twenties.
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93:47 - 93:50I don't think he did when I was with him.
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93:50 - 93:55He wasn't a "joyful" person, but that's different from being depressed.
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93:57 - 94:02He was just under such enormous pressure for two years straight.
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94:02 - 94:04He just didn't want to do it anymore.
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94:04 - 94:08He was just--I just think it was too much.
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94:15 - 94:17I got a phone call late at night.
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94:18 - 94:23I could tell something was wrong, and then I called, and I realized what had happened.
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94:24 - 94:29A co-founder of the social news and entertainment website Reddit has been found dead.
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94:29 - 94:32Police say twenty-six-year-old Aaron Swartz
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94:32 - 94:36killed himself yesterday in his Brooklyn apartment.
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94:38 - 94:47I just thought, we've lost one of the most creative minds of our generation.
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94:47 - 94:51I was like, the whole world fell apart at that moment.
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94:57 - 95:00It was one of the hardest nights of my life.
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95:01 - 95:05I just kept screaming, "I can't hear you! What did you say? I can't hear you!"
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95:08 - 95:09I can't. That's it.
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95:09 - 95:11[Interviewer] Okay.
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95:16 - 95:23Yeah, none of it made any sense,
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95:23 - 95:25and really still doesn't.
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95:25 - 95:28I was so frustrated, angry.
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95:33 - 95:37[exhales]
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95:38 - 95:43You know, I tried to explain it to my kids.
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95:44 - 95:47My three-year-old told me that the doctors would fix him.
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95:53 - 95:57I've known lots of people who have died, but I've never lost anybody like this,
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95:57 - 96:04because everybody feels, and I do too, there is so much we could have--more to do like...
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96:05 - 96:11I just didn't know he was there. I didn't know this was what he was suffering and...
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96:12 - 96:14He was part of me.
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96:17 - 96:21And I just wanted it to not be real, and then...
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96:25 - 96:29and then I just looked at his Wikipedia page and I saw the end date:
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96:33 - 96:36"to 2013".
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97:15 - 97:20My first thought was: what if nobody even notices?
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97:20 - 97:24You know, because it wasn't clear to me how salient he was.
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97:25 - 97:30I had never seen anything quite like the outpouring I saw.
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97:30 - 97:32The Net just lit up.
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97:32 - 97:38Everyone was trying to explain it in their own way, but I've never seen
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97:38 - 97:40people grieve on Twitter before.
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97:40 - 97:44People were visibly grieving online.
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97:47 - 97:50He was the Internet's own boy,
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97:50 - 97:54and the old world killed him.
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97:56 - 98:01We are standing in the middle of a time when great injustice is not touched.
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98:02 - 98:07Architects of the financial meltdown have dinner with the president, regularly.
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98:07 - 98:13In the middle of that time, the idea that this was what the government had to prosecute,
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98:15 - 98:18it just seems absurd, if it weren't tragic.
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98:18 - 98:24The question is: Can we do something, given what's happened,
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98:24 - 98:27to make the world a better place,
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98:27 - 98:29and how can we further that legacy?
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98:29 - 98:32That's the only question one could ask.
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98:33 - 98:38All over the world, there are starting to be hack-a-thons, gatherings,
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98:38 - 98:44Aaron Swartz has, in some sense, brought the best out of us, in trying to say:
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98:44 - 98:47How do we fix this?
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98:48 - 98:53He was, in my humble opinion, one of the true extraordinary revolutionaries
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98:53 - 98:56that this country has produced.
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98:56 - 99:00I don't know whether Aaron was defeated or victorious,
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99:00 - 99:06but we are certainly shaped by the hand of the things that he wrestled with.
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99:06 - 99:12When we turn armed agents of the law on citizens trying to increase access to knowledge,
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99:13 - 99:17we've broken the rule of law--we've desecrated the temple of justice.
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99:17 - 99:20Aaron Swartz was not a criminal.
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99:20 - 99:22[applause]
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99:22 - 99:26Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability,
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99:26 - 99:29it comes through continuous struggle.
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99:30 - 99:33Aaron really could do magic,
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99:33 - 99:36and I'm dedicated to making sure that his magic doesn't end with his death.
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99:36 - 99:40He believed that he could change the world, and he was right.
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99:41 - 99:45Out of the last week, and out of today, phoenixes are already rising.
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99:45 - 99:47[applause]
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99:47 - 99:52Since Swartz's death, Representative Zoe Lofgren and Senator Ron Wyden
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99:52 - 99:56have introduced legislation that would reform the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act--
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99:56 - 100:01the outdated law that formed the majority of the charges against Swartz.
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100:01 - 100:04It's called "Aaron's Law".
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100:04 - 100:07Aaron believed that you literally ought to be asking yourself all of the time,
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100:07 - 100:11"What is the most important thing I could be working on in the world right now?"
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100:11 - 100:13And if you're not working on that, why aren't you?
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100:13 - 100:16[Protesters] This is what democracy looks like!
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100:16 - 100:17[crowd chants] We are the people, too!
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100:17 - 100:21Internet freedom's under attack! What do we do?
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100:21 - 100:23Stand up, fight back!
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100:23 - 100:26Internet freedom's under attack! What do we do?
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100:26 - 100:31Hey, hey! Ho, ho! NROC has got to go!
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100:34 - 100:37I wish we could change the past, but we cannot.
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100:37 - 100:40But we can change the future and we must.
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100:40 - 100:44We must do so for Aaron. We must do so for ourselves.
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100:44 - 100:49We must do so to make our world a better place, a more humane place,
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100:49 - 100:54a place where justice works, and access to knowledge becomes a human right. [applause]
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100:55 - 101:02So there was a kid, back in February, from Baltimore, fourteen years old,
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101:02 - 101:08who had access to JSTOR, and he'd been spalunking through JSTOR after reading something,
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101:09 - 101:14and he figured out a way to do early tests for pancreatic cancer,
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101:15 - 101:20and pancreatic cancer kills the shit out of you because we detect it way too late
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101:20 - 101:23by the time we detect it, it's already too late to do anything about it,
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101:23 - 101:29and he sent emails off to the entire oncology department at Johns Hopkins,
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101:29 - 101:32you know hundreds of them, and every--
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101:35 - 101:36- Fourteen-year-old kid, yeah, and most of them ignored it but one of them sent him an email back,
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101:36 - 101:39and said, "This is not an entirely stupid idea. Why don't you come on over?"
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101:39 - 101:43This kid worked evenings and weekends with this researcher, and in February I heard him on the news
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101:43 - 101:49just a couple of weeks after Aaron died, when Aaron was in the news a lot..
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101:51 - 101:53Sorry...
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101:54 - 102:00and he said the reason he was on the news was 'cause they'd done it. They were shipping
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102:00 - 102:04an early test for pancreatic cancer that was going to save lives,
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102:04 - 102:10and he said, "This is why what Aaron did was so important."
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102:10 - 102:15Because you never know, right? This truth of the universe is not only something
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102:15 - 102:20that policymakers use to figure out, you know, what the speed limit should be.
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102:20 - 102:24It's where the thing that's gonna keep your kid from dying of pancreatic cancer comes from,
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102:26 - 102:31and without access, the person who might come up with the thing that's got your number on it,
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102:33 - 102:34may never find that answer.
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102:36 - 102:47He sleeped so well, he didn't fall out of [baby talk], not even when he dreamed he was back on the spacecraft.
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102:48 - 102:52[Aaron's dad] Very good, Aaron. Very good. Yay, Aaron!
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102:52 - 102:57Okay, now it's song time.
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- Title:
- The Internet's Own Boy: The Story of Aaron Swartz
- Description:
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The film follows the story of programming prodigy and information activist Aaron Swartz. From Swartz's help in the development of the basic internet protocol RSS to his co-founding of Reddit, his fingerprints are all over the internet. But it was Swartz's groundbreaking work in social justice and political organizing combined with his aggressive approach to information access that ensnared him in a two-year legal nightmare. It was a battle that ended with the taking of his own life at the age of 26. Aaron's story touched a nerve with people far beyond the online communities in which he was a celebrity. This film is a personal story about what we lose when we are tone deaf about technology and its relationship to our civil liberties.
Film by Brian Knappenberger - Luminant Media
http://www.takepart.com/internets-own-boy
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/26788492/aaron-swartz-documentary-the-internets-own-boy-0
Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License - Video Language:
- English
- Duration:
- 01:45:00
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cristi.magherusan
I think the English version is more or less complete now.
Let's review it and try to consistently apply the recommendations listed in the Guidelines box.
Bruno Treguier
Hi there,
I'm one of the French contributors to the French subtitles, and I noticed something that might be a (tiny) mistake in the English subtitles. Here are the present subtitles around 87:28:
87:28 - 87:31 I was a federal prosecutor at the Justice Department for three years.
87:31 - 87:34 Before I started teaching, the government came forward
87:34 - 87:38 with an indictment based on what crimes they thought were committed,
The guy's tone is a bit misleading, but there is a little silence after "teaching", sufficient for me to think that in fact, the first sentence stops there (and hence the 2nd begins), so IMHO he's in fact saying that:
1) he was a federal prosecutor for 3 years before he started teaching, and
2) the government came forward with an indictment based on what crimes they thought were committed, etc. etc.
So there should be a comma (or nothing) after "three years", and a full stop after "teaching".
Furthermore, with the present punctuation, the second sentence is a bit weird: why would it be important to state that the government came forward with Aaron's indictment before this guy started teaching ? Strange, isn't it ? ;-)
As one of the golden rules in subtitling is that only natives of a language should change the subtitles in that language, I leave it up to you to review my comments, and agree... or not. ;-)
Best regards,
Bruno
lauren3467
bruno.treguier Yeah, that makes much more sense. I think it's fixed now. Let me know if you find anything else.
Also, at 13:13 to 13:23, we had "LD documents" for the longest time, but I looked into it, and I'm pretty sure it should be "Eldred documents" so I changed it fairly recently. I'm not sure if it's been changed in the other languages, though.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/eldredvashcroft/legal.html
It's great that this important documentary has been translated into so many languages!
Thanks :)
Bruno Treguier
Hi lauren3467,
I'll sure let you know if I notice something else that should be changed.
Regarding "LD" vs "Eldred", yeah, it's very difficult to catch what Aaron and his interviewer are precisely saying at that moment but I think you're perfectly right ! The "Eldred v. Ashcroft" oral argument at the Supreme Court, which precisely is about copyright, took place at the end of 2002/beginning of 2003, which fits perfectly !
Best regards,
Bruno