The Internet's Own Boy: The Story of Aaron Swartz
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0:50 - 0:57A cofounder of the social, news and entertainment
website Reddit has been found dead. -
0:57 - 1:02He certainly was a prodigy, although
he never thought of himself like that. -
1:02 - 1:05He was totally unexcited
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1:05 - 1:08about starting businesses and making money.
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1:10 - 1:15There's a profound sense of loss tonight
in Highland Park, Aaron Swartz's hometown, -
1:15 - 1:18as loved ones say good-bye to
one of the Internet's brightest lights. -
1:18 - 1:22Freedom, open access and computer
activists are mourning his loss. -
1:22 - 1:25"An astonishing intellect", if you talk to people who knew him.
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1:25 - 1:30He was killed by the government, and
MIT betrayed all of its basic principles. -
1:30 - 1:33They wanted to make an example out of him, okay?
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1:35 - 1:39Governments have an insatiable
desire to control. -
1:39 - 1:43He was potentially facing 35 years
in prison and a one million dollar fine. -
1:43 - 1:50Raising questions of prosecutorial zeal,
and I would say even misconduct. -
1:50 - 1:55Have you looked into that particular matter
and reached any conclusions? -
1:57 - 2:02Growing up, I slowly had this process of
realizing that all the things around me that -
2:02 - 2:06people had told me were just the natural way
things were, the way things always would be, -
2:06 - 2:09they weren't natural at all,
there were things that could be changed -
2:09 - 2:12and there were things that more importantly
were wrong and should change. -
2:12 - 2:14And once I realized that,
there was really no going back. -
2:24 - 2:28Welcome to story reading time.
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2:28 - 2:33The name of the book is Paddington at the Fair.
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2:33 - 2:37Well, he was born in Highland Park
and grew up here. -
2:37 - 2:40Aaron came from a family of three
brothers, all extraordinarily bright. -
2:40 - 2:45"Oh, the box is tipping over..."
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2:45 - 2:48So we were all, you know,
not the best behaved children. -
2:48 - 2:52You know, three boys running around
all the time, causing trouble. -
2:52 - 2:54"Hey, no, no no!"
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2:54 - 2:56– Aaron!
– What? -
2:56 - 3:01But I've come to the realization that Aaron
learned how to learn at a very young age. -
3:01 - 3:06"One, two, three, four, five, six,
seven, eight, nine, ten!" -
3:06 - 3:09- Knock, knock!
- Who's there? -
3:09 - 3:12- Aaron.
- Aaron who? -
3:12 - 3:13- Aaron Funnyman.
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3:13 - 3:15He knew what he wanted,
and he always wanted to do it. -
3:15 - 3:17He always accomplished what he wanted.
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3:18 - 3:22His curiosity was endless.
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3:22 - 3:27"Here's a little picture of what the planets are.
And each planet has a symbol." -
3:27 - 3:33"Mercury symbol, Venus symbol, Earth symbol,
Mars symbol, Jupiter symbol." -
3:33 - 3:37One day he said to Susan: "What's this free
family entertainment downtown Highland Park?" -
3:37 - 3:40"Free family entertainment
downtown Highland Park." -
3:40 - 3:43He was three at the time.
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3:43 - 3:45She said: "What are you talking about?"
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3:45 - 3:46He said: "Look, it says here on the refrigerator,"
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3:46 - 3:50"Free family entertainment downtown Highland Park."
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3:50 - 3:55She was floored and astonished that he could read.
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3:55 - 3:59It's called "My Family Seder".
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4:00 - 4:05The Seder night is different
from all other nights. -
4:05 - 4:09I remember once, we were at
the University of Chicago Library. -
4:09 - 4:12I pulled a book off the shelf
that was from like 1900. -
4:12 - 4:16And showed to him and said: "You know,
this is really just an extraordinary place." -
4:16 - 4:23We all were curious children, but Aaron really
liked learning and really liked teaching. -
4:23 - 4:27"And we're going to learn the ABC backwards."
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4:27 - 4:31"Z, Y, X, W, V, U, T..."
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4:31 - 4:35I remember he came home
from his first Algebra class. -
4:35 - 4:39He was like: "Noah, let me teach you algebra!"
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4:39 - 4:41And I'm like: "What is algebra?"
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4:41 - 4:43And he was always like that.
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4:43 - 4:49"Now let's press click button, there! Now it's got that!"
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4:49 - 4:52"Now it's in pink!"
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4:52 - 4:56When he was about two or three years old,
and Bob introduced him to computers, -
4:56 - 5:00then he just took off, like crazy on them.
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5:00 - 5:04(baby talk)
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5:04 - 5:09We all had computers, but Aaron really
took to them, really took to the Internet. -
5:09 - 5:13- Working at the computer?
- Nah... -
5:13 - 5:16"How come... Mommy, why is nothing working?"
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5:16 - 5:18He started programming from a really young age.
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5:18 - 5:22I remember the first program
that I wrote with him was in BASIC, -
5:22 - 5:24and it was a Star Wars trivia game.
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5:26 - 5:30He sat down with me in the basement,
where the computer was, -
5:30 - 5:33for hours, programming this game.
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5:35 - 5:39The problem that I kept having with him is
that there was nothing that I wanted done. -
5:39 - 5:42And to him, there was always something to do,
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5:42 - 5:44always something that programming could solve.
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5:47 - 5:51The way Aaron always saw it, is that
programming is magic. -
5:51 - 5:54You can accomplish these things
that normal humans can't. -
5:54 - 5:58Aaron made an ATM using like a Macintosh
and like a cardboard box. -
5:58 - 6:02One year for Halloween,
I didn't know what I wanted to be, -
6:02 - 6:06and he thought it would be really really cool
if I dressed up like his new favorite computer, -
6:06 - 6:09which at the time was the original iMac.
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6:09 - 6:13I mean, he hated dressing up for Halloween
but he loved convincing other people -
6:13 - 6:16to dress up as things that he wanted to see.
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6:16 - 6:20"Host Aaron, stop!
Guys, come on, look at the camera!" -
6:20 - 6:23"Spider-man looks at the camera!"
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6:24 - 6:31He made this website called The Info,
where people can just fill in information. -
6:31 - 6:35I'm sure someone out there knows
all about gold, gold leafing... -
6:35 - 6:39Why they don't write about that on this website?
And then other people can come at a later point, -
6:39 - 6:43and read that information, and edit
the information if they thought it was bad. -
6:43 - 6:46Not too dissimilar from Wikipedia, right?
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6:46 - 6:52And this was before Wikipedia had begun,
and this is developed by a 12 year old, -
6:52 - 6:58in his room, by himself, running on this
tiny server using ancient technology. -
6:58 - 7:01And one of the teachers responds, like:
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7:01 - 7:07"This is a terrible idea, you can't just
let anyone author the encyclopedia!" -
7:07 - 7:10"The whole reason we have scholars
is to write these books for us." -
7:10 - 7:13"How could you ever have such a terrible idea?"
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7:13 - 7:17Me and my other brother would be like:
"Oh, you know, yeah Wikipedia is cool, but" -
7:17 - 7:20"we had that in our house, like, five years ago."
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7:21 - 7:26Aaron's website, theinfo.org, wins a school competition
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7:26 - 7:30hosted by the Cambridge-based
web design firm ArsDigita. -
7:34 - 7:38We all went to Cambridge when he won the ArsDigita prize
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7:38 - 7:40and we had no clue what Aaron was doing.
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7:40 - 7:43It was obvious that the prize was really important.
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7:44 - 7:48Aaron soon became involved with
online programming communities, -
7:48 - 7:51then in the process of shaping
a new tool for the web. -
7:51 - 7:56He comes up to me: "Ben, there's this
really awesome thing that I'm working on." -
7:56 - 7:58"You need to hear about it!"
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7:58 - 8:00"Yeah, what is it?"
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8:00 - 8:02"It's this thing called RSS."
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8:03 - 8:08And he explains to me what RSS is.
I'm like: "Why is that useful, Aaron?" -
8:08 - 8:11"Is any site using it,
why would I want to use it?" -
8:11 - 8:17There is this mailing list for people who are
working on RSS, and XML more generally. -
8:17 - 8:21And there was a person on it named
Aaron Swartz who was competitive but very smart, -
8:21 - 8:25and who had lots of good ideas, and
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8:25 - 8:29he didn't ever come to the
face-to-face meetings, and they said, -
8:29 - 8:32you know, when are you gonna come
to one of these face-to-face meetings? -
8:32 - 8:37And he said: "You know, I don't think
my mom would let me. I've just turned 14." -
8:37 - 8:43And so their first reaction was: "Well, this person,
this colleague we've been working with all year -
8:43 - 8:47was 13 years old while we were
working with him, and he's only 14 now." -
8:47 - 8:48And their second reaction was:
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8:48 - 8:51"Christ, we really want to meet him.
That's extraordinary!" -
8:51 - 8:54He was part of the committee that drafted RSS.
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8:54 - 8:59What he was doing was to help build
the plumbing for modern hypertext. -
8:59 - 9:06The piece that he was working on, RSS,
was a tool that you can use to get summaries -
9:06 - 9:09of things that are going on on other web pages.
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9:09 - 9:11Most commonly, you would use this for a blog.
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9:11 - 9:14You might have 10 or 20 people's blogs you wanna read.
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9:14 - 9:18You use their RSS feeds, these summaries of
what's going on on those other pages -
9:18 - 9:23to create a unified list of all the stuff that's going on.
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9:23 - 9:28Aaron was really young, but he understood
the technology and he saw that it was imperfect -
9:28 - 9:30and looked for ways to help make it better.
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9:36 - 9:40So his mom started bundling him on planes in Chicago, we'd pick him up in San Francicso.
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9:40 - 9:45We'd introduce him to interesting people to argue with, and we'd marvel at his horrific eating habits.
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9:45 - 9:51He only ate white food, only like steamed rice and not fried rice 'cause that wasn't sufficiently white
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9:51 - 9:54and white bread, and so on...
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9:54 - 9:59And you kind of marveled at the quality of the debate emerging from this,
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9:59 - 10:02what appeared to be a small boy's mouth.
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10:02 - 10:05And you'd think, this is a kid that's really going to get somewhere if he doesn't die of scurvy.
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10:05 - 10:07Aaron, you're up!
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10:07 - 10:10I think the difference is that now you can't make companies like dotcoms.
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10:10 - 10:16You can't have companies that just sell dog food over the Internet, or sell dog food over cell phones.
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10:16 - 10:18But there's still a lot of innovation going on.
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10:18 - 10:21Think that maybe if you don't see the innovation, maybe your head is in the sand!
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10:21 - 10:25He takes on this, like an alpha nerd personality, where he's
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10:25 - 10:29sort of like: "I'm smarter than you, and because I'm smarter than you I'm better than you,
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10:29 - 10:31and I can tell you what to do."
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10:31 - 10:35It's an extension of, like, him being kind of like a twerp.
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10:35 - 10:39So you aggregate all these computers together and now they're solving big problems
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10:39 - 10:42like searching for aliens and trying to cure cancer.
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10:45 - 10:48I first met him on IRC, or Internet Relay Chat.
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10:48 - 10:53He didn't just write code, he also got people excited about solving problems he got.
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10:53 - 10:56He was a connector.
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10:56 - 10:58The free culture movement, he had a lot of this energy.
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10:59 - 11:04I think Aaron was trying to make the world work. He was trying to fix it.
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11:04 - 11:09He had a very kind of strong personality, that definitely ruffled feathers at times.
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11:09 - 11:13It wasn't necesarily the case that he was always comfortable in the world
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11:13 - 11:16and the world wasn't always comfortable with him.
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11:19 - 11:23Aaron got into high school and he was really just sick of school.
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11:23 - 11:28He didn't like it, he didn't like any of the classes that were being thaught, he didn't like the teachers.
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11:28 - 11:30Aaron really knew how to get information.
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11:30 - 11:35He was like: "I don't need to go to this teacher to learn how to do geometry.
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11:35 - 11:37I can just read the geometry book.
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11:37 - 11:41And I don't need to go to this teacher to learn their version of American history,
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11:41 - 11:45like I have like three historical compilations here, I could just read them.
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11:45 - 11:49And I'm not interested in that, I'm interested in the web."
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11:49 - 11:53I was very frustrated with school, I thought the teachers didn't know what they were talking about.
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11:53 - 11:57They were domineering and controlling, the homework was kind of a sham
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11:57 - 12:01and it was all just like all about a way to pen students all together and force them to do busywork.
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12:01 - 12:05And, you know, I started reading books about the history of education
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12:05 - 12:08and how this educational system was developed.
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12:08 - 12:11Then, you know, alternatives to it and ways that people could actually learn things
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12:11 - 12:15as opposed to just regurgitating facts that teachers told them.
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12:15 - 12:19And that kind of led me down this path of questioning things, once I questioned the school I was in,
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12:19 - 12:24I questioned the society that built the school, I questioned the businesses that the schools were training people for,
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12:24 - 12:28I questioned the government that set up this whole structure.
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12:28 - 12:32One of the thing he was most passionate about was copyright, especially in those early days.
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12:32 - 12:38Copyright has always been something kind of a burden on the publishing industry and on readers,
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12:38 - 12:43but it wasn't an eccessive burden, it was a reasonable institution to have in place,
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12:44 - 12:47to make sure that people got paid.
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12:47 - 12:53What Aaron's generation experienced was the collision between this antique copyright system
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12:53 - 12:57and this amazing new thing we were trying to build, the Internet and the Web.
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12:57 - 13:00These things collided, and what we got was chaos.
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13:02 - 13:06He then met Harvard's Law professor Lawrence Lessig,
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13:06 - 13:09who was then challenging copyright law in the Supreme Court.
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13:09 - 13:13The young Aaron Swartz flew to Washington to listen to the Supreme Court hearings.
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13:13 - 13:18I am Aaron Swartz and I'm here to listen to the LD, to see the LD document.
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13:18 - 13:23Why did you fly out here from Chicago and come all this way to see the LD argument?
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13:23 - 13:26That's a more difficult question...
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13:29 - 13:34I don't know. It's very exciting to see the Supreme Court,
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13:34 - 13:37especially in such a prestigious case as this one.
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13:43 - 13:47Lessig was also moving forward with a new way to define copyright on the Internet.
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13:47 - 13:49It was called Creative Commons.
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13:49 - 13:54So the simple idea of Creative Commons is to give people, creators,
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13:54 - 13:59a simple way to mark their creativity with the freedoms they intended to carry.
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13:59 - 14:05So if copyright is all about "All rights reserved", then this is a kind of a "Some rights reserved" model.
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14:05 - 14:09I want a simple way to say to you: here is what you can do with my work,
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14:09 - 14:14even if there are other things which you need to get my permission before you could do.
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14:14 - 14:17And Aaron's role was the computer part.
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14:17 - 14:21Like how do you architect the licenses so they'll be simple and understandable
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14:21 - 14:24and expressed in a way so that machines can process it.
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14:24 - 14:30And people were like: why do you have this 15 years old kid writing the specifications for Creative Commons?
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14:30 - 14:32Don't you think that's a huge mistake?
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14:32 - 14:36And they're like: the biggest mistake we would have is not listening to this kid.
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14:36 - 14:40He barely is not even tall enough to even get over the podium.
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14:40 - 14:43And it was this movable podium so it was this embarrassing thing,
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14:43 - 14:46where once he put his screen up nobody could see his face.
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14:47 - 14:51When you come to our website here, and you go to "Choose license",
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14:51 - 14:57it gives you this list of options, it explains what it means, and you got three simple questions:
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14:58 - 15:00"Do you want to require attribution?"
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15:00 - 15:03"Do you want to allow commercial uses of your work?"
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15:04 - 15:06"Do you want to allow modifications of your work?"
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15:06 - 15:12I was floored, just completely flabbergasted that these adults regarded him as an adult.
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15:12 - 15:16And Aaron stood up there in fromt of a whole audience full of people and just started talking
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15:16 - 15:20about the platform that he'd created for Creative Commons.
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15:20 - 15:23And they were all listening to him. Just...
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15:23 - 15:29I was sitting at the back, thinking: he's just a kid, why are they listening to him?
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15:29 - 15:30But they did...
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15:30 - 15:33Well, I don't think I comprehended it fully.
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15:33 - 15:37Though critics have said it does little to ensure artists get paid for their work,
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15:37 - 15:41the success of Creative Commons has been enormous.
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15:41 - 15:47Currently on the website Flickr alone, over 200 million people use some form of Creative Commons license.
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15:47 - 15:57He contributed through his technical abilities, and yet it was not simply a technical matter to him.
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15:58 - 16:01Aaron often wrote candidly in his personal blog:
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16:01 - 16:06I think deeply about things, and I want others to do likewise.
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16:07 - 16:11I work for ideas and learn from people. I don't like excluding people.
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16:11 - 16:16I'm a perfectionist, but I won't let that get in the way of publication.
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16:16 - 16:20Except for education and entertainment, I'm not going to waste my time
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16:20 - 16:22on things that won't have an impact.
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16:22 - 16:26I try to be friends with everyone, but I hate it when you don't take me seriously.
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16:26 - 16:32I don't hold grudges, it's not productive, but I learn from my experience.
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16:32 - 16:35I want to make the world a better place.
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16:41 - 16:46In 2004, Swartz leaves Highland Park and enrolls in Stanford University.
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16:46 - 16:52He'd had ulcerative colitis which was very troubling and we were concerned about him taking his medication.
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16:52 - 16:56He got hospitalized and he would take this cocktail of pills every day.
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16:57 - 17:01And one of those pills was a steroid which stunted his growth,
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17:01 - 17:05and made him feel different from any of the other students.
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17:05 - 17:08Aaron, I think, shows up at Stanford ready to do scholarship
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17:08 - 17:13and finds himself in effectively a babysitting program for overachieving high-schoolers
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17:13 - 17:21who in four years are meant to become captains of industry and one-percenters
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17:21 - 17:26and I think it just made him bananas.
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17:26 - 17:29In 2005, after only one year of college,
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17:29 - 17:36Schwartz was offered a spot at a new start-up incubation firm called Y Combinator, lead by Paul Graham.
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17:36 - 17:40He's like, "Hey, I have this idea for a a website."
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17:40 - 17:43And Paul Graham likes him enough, and says, "Yeah, sure."
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17:43 - 17:47Suddenly he drops out of school, moves to this apartment...
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17:47 - 17:50So this used to be Aaron's apartment when he moved here.
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17:50 - 17:55I have vague memories of my father telling me how difficult it was to get a lease
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17:55 - 17:59'cause Aaron had no credit and he dropped out of college.
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17:59 - 18:05Aaron lived in what's now the livingroom and some of the posters are leftovers from when Aaron lived here.
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18:05 - 18:10And the library... there are more books, but a lot of them are Aaron's.
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18:12 - 18:18Aaron's Y Combinator site was called infogami, a tool to build websites.
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18:18 - 18:21But infogami struggles to find users, and Swartz eventually
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18:21 - 18:25merges his company with another Y Combinator project in need of help.
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18:25 - 18:30It was a project headed by Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian, called reddit.
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18:30 - 18:34That we were, starting from almost nothing. No users, no money, no code,
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18:34 - 18:38and growing day by day into a hugely popular website.
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18:38 - 18:40And it showed no signs of letting up,
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18:40 - 18:44first we had 1000 users, then 10000, then 20000 and on, and on... It was just incredible...
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18:44 - 18:50reddit becomes huge and it's a real sort of geeky corner of the Internet.
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18:53 - 19:01There's a lot of humor, there's a lot of art, and there's just people who flocked to the site
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19:01 - 19:08and made that site the main site they go to every morning to get their news.
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19:08 - 19:12reddit kind of just borders on chaos at some levels,
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19:12 - 19:19so on the one hand it's a place where people discuss news of the day, technology, politics and issues,
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19:19 - 19:25and yet there is a lot of kind of Not Safe For Work material, offensive material,
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19:25 - 19:30there are some sub-reddits where trolls find a welcome home
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19:30 - 19:34and so, in that sense reddit has been kind of home to controversy, as well.
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19:34 - 19:37It kind of sits on that edge of chaos.
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19:37 - 19:41reddit catches the attention of the corporate magazine giant Condé Nast,
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19:41 - 19:43who makes an offer to buy the company.
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19:43 - 19:47Some large amount of money, large enough that my dad was getting bugged with questions
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19:47 - 19:51about like: "How do I store this money?"
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19:51 - 19:54- Like a lot of money...
- Like a lot of money. -
19:54 - 20:00Like probably more than a million dollars, but I don't actually know.
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20:00 - 20:03- And he's how old at the time?
- 19 - 20... -
20:05 - 20:11So it was in this apartment, they sat around
on what predated these couches -
20:11 - 20:15hacking on reddit, and when they sold reddit
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20:15 - 20:19they threw a giant party, and then all flew
out to California the next day -
20:19 - 20:22and left the keys with me.
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20:24 - 20:27It was funny, you know, he'd just sold his start up so we all presumed
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20:27 - 20:29he was the richest person around
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20:29 - 20:34but he said, "Oh no, I'll take this tiny little
shoe-box sized room. That's all I need." -
20:34 - 20:36It was barely larger than a closet.
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20:36 - 20:42The idea of him spending his money on
fancy objects just seemed so implausible. -
20:43 - 20:48He explains it as "I like living in apartments so I'm not going to spend a lot of money on a new place to live, I'm not gonna buy a mansion.
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20:48 - 20:50And I like wearing jeans and a T-shirt,
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20:50 - 20:52so I'm not going to spend any more money on clothes.
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20:52 - 20:55So it's really no big deal."
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20:55 - 20:58What is a big deal to Swartz is how traffic
flows on the internet. -
20:58 - 21:01And what commands our attention.
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21:01 - 21:04In the old system of broadcasting, you're
fundamentally limited by the amount of -
21:04 - 21:09space in the airwaves. You can only send out ten channels over the airwaves, television
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21:09 - 21:11or even with cable, you had 500 channels.
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21:11 - 21:16On the Internet, everybody can have a channel.
Everyone can get a blog, or a Myspace page. -
21:16 - 21:18Everyone has a way of expressing themselves.
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21:18 - 21:21What you see now is not a question of who gets
access to the airwaves, -
21:21 - 21:25it's a question of who gets control over the
ways you find people. -
21:25 - 21:29You know, you start seeing power centralizing in sites like Google, they are sort of gate-keepers that tell you
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21:29 - 21:31where on the internet you want to go.
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21:31 - 21:34The people who provide you your sources of news and information.
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21:34 - 21:38So it's not only certain people have a license to speak, now everyone has
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21:38 - 21:41a license to speak. It's a question of who gets heard.
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21:45 - 21:50After he started working in San Francisco
at Condé Nast, he comes into the office -
21:50 - 21:54and they want to give him a computer with all
this crap installed on it -
21:54 - 21:57and say he can't install any new things
on his computer, -
21:57 - 21:59which to developers is outrageous.
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21:59 - 22:02From the first day he was complaining
about all the stuff. -
22:05 - 22:11"Gray walls, gray desks, gray noise. The first
day I showed up here, I simply couldn't take it. -
22:11 - 22:15By lunchtime, I had literally locked myself
in a bathroom stall and started crying. -
22:15 - 22:18I can't imagine staying sane with someone
buzzing in my ear all day -
22:18 - 22:22Let alone getting any actual work done.
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22:22 - 22:24Nobody else seems to get work done here either
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22:24 - 22:28Everybody's always coming into our room to
hang out and chat, or invite us to play -
22:28 - 22:30the new video game system that Wired is testing."
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22:33 - 22:38He really had different aspirations that were politically oriented.
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22:38 - 22:42And Silicon Valley just doesn't really quite have that culture
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22:42 - 22:47that orients technical activity for the purposes of political goals.
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22:47 - 22:50Aaron hated working for a corporation.
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22:50 - 22:54They all hate working for Condé Nast, but Aaron
is the only one who is not going to take it. -
22:54 - 22:56And Aaron basically gets himself fired.
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22:56 - 22:58By not showing up to work, ever.
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23:01 - 23:05It was said to be a messy break-up.
Both Alexis Ohanian and Steve Huffman -
23:05 - 23:08declined to be interviewed for this film.
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23:09 - 23:16He rejected the business world. One of the really important things to remember about
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23:16 - 23:23that choice when Aaron decided to leave start-up
culture is that he was also leaving behind -
23:23 - 23:31the things that had made him famous and well-loved.
He was at risk of letting down fans. -
23:31 - 23:36He got to where he was supposed to be going, and had the self-awareness
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23:36 - 23:43and the orneriness to realize that he had climbed the mountain of shit to pluck
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23:43 - 23:46the single rose and discovered that he'd lost his sense of smell.
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23:46 - 23:50And rather than sit there and insist that it wasn't as bad as it seemed,
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23:50 - 23:54and he did get the rose in any event,
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23:54 - 23:57he climbed back down again, which is pretty cool.
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23:58 - 24:02The way Aaron always thought it is that
programming is magic. -
24:02 - 24:07You can accomplish these things that normal
humans can't, by being able to program. -
24:07 - 24:13So if you had magical powers, would you use
them for good, or to make you mountains of cash? -
24:15 - 24:18Swartz was inspired by one of the visionaries
he had met as a child. -
24:18 - 24:22The man who had invented the World Wide Web,
Tim Berners-Lee. -
24:22 - 24:26In the 1990s, Berners-Lee was arguably sitting on
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24:26 - 24:29one of the most lucrative inventions of
the 20th century. -
24:29 - 24:35But instead of profiting from the invention
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24:36 - 24:40It is the only reason the World Wide Web exists today.
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24:41 - 24:45Aaron is certainly deeply influenced by Tim.
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24:45 - 24:51Tim is certainly a very prominent early Internet genius, who doesn't in any sense cash out.
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24:51 - 24:56He's not at all interested in how he's going to figure out how to make a billion dollars.
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24:56 - 24:58People were saying, "Ah there's money to be made there",
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24:58 - 25:01so there would have been lots of little webs.
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25:01 - 25:02Instead of one big one.
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25:02 - 25:05And one little web, all sorts of webs doesn't work,
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25:05 - 25:08because you can't follow links from one to the other.
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25:10 - 25:14You had to have the critical masses, the thing was the entire planet,
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25:14 - 25:17so it's not going to work unless the whole planet can get on board.
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25:24 - 25:28I feel very strongly that it's not enough to just live in the world as it is,
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25:29 - 25:35it's just kind of take what you're given, and you know follow the things that adults told you to do,
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25:35 - 25:39and that your parents told you to do, and that society tells you to do. I think you should always be questioning.
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25:39 - 25:43I take this very scientific attitude, that
everything you've learned is just provisional, -
25:43 - 25:49you know, it's always open to recantation or refutation or
questioning, and I think the same applies to society. -
25:49 - 25:53Once I realized that there were real serious problems, fundamental problems
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25:53 - 25:59that I could do something to address, I didn't see a way to forget that, I didn't see a way not to.
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26:03 - 26:05We just started spending a lot of time,
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26:05 - 26:07just kind of as friends.
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26:09 - 26:12We would just talk for hours, into the night.
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26:14 - 26:18I definitely should have understood that he was flirting with me. I think to some degree
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26:18 - 26:24I was like, this is a terrible idea, and impossible, and therefore I will pretend it is not happening.
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26:25 - 26:29As my marriage was breaking down and I was
really stuck without anywhere to go, -
26:29 - 26:33we became roommates, and I brought my daughter over.
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26:34 - 26:37We moved in and furnished the house, and it
was really peaceful. -
26:37 - 26:41My life had not been peaceful for a while, and really neither had his.
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26:46 - 26:54We were extremely close from the beginning of our romantic relationship.
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26:54 - 26:58We just...we were in constant contact.
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26:58 - 27:02But we're both really difficult people to deal with.
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27:04 - 27:11In a very Ally McBeal discussion he confessed he had a theme song, and I made him play it for me.
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27:12 - 27:17It was Extraordinary Machine, by Fiona Apple.
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27:17 - 27:24I think it was just that sense of being a little bit embattled that the song has.
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27:25 - 27:28And it also had this hopefulness to it.
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27:28 - 27:34♪ By foot it's a slow climb. But I'm good
at being uncomfortable so I can't stop... -
27:34 - 27:37changing all the time ♪
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27:37 - 27:44In many ways, Aaron was tremendously optimistic
about life. Even when he didn't feel it, -
27:44 - 27:47he could be tremendously optimistic about life.
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27:47 - 27:50♪ Extraordinary machine ♪
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27:53 - 27:58- What are you doing?
(Quinn) - Flicker has video now. -
28:00 - 28:02Swartz threw his energy into a string of new
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28:02 - 28:05projects involving access to public information.
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28:05 - 28:08Including an accountability webside called
Watchdog.net -
28:08 - 28:11and a project called The Open Library.
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28:11 - 28:15So the Open Library Project is a website you can visit at openlibrary.org
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28:15 - 28:20and the idea is to be a huge wiki, an editable website with one page per book.
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28:20 - 28:24So for every book ever published, we want to have a web page about it that combines
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28:24 - 28:30all the information from publishers, from booksellers, from libraries, from readers
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28:30 - 28:35onto one site. And then gives you links where
you can buy it, you can borrow it, or you can browse it. -
28:35 - 28:40I love libraries. I'm the kind of person who
goes to a new city and immediately seeks out the library -
28:40 - 28:44That's the dream of Open Library, is building this website where both you can leap
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28:44 - 28:49from book to book, from person to author, from subject to idea. Go through this vast tree
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28:49 - 28:54of knowledge that's been embedded and lost in big physical libraries, that's hard to find,
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28:54 - 28:59that's not very well accessible online. It's really important because books are our cultural legacy.
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28:59 - 29:01Books are the place people go to write things down,
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29:01 - 29:06and to have all that swallowed up by one corporation is kind of scary.
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29:07 - 29:11How can you bring public access to the public domain?
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29:11 - 29:15It may sound obvious that you'd have public access to the public domain,
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29:15 - 29:21but in fact it's not true. So the public domain should be free to all, but it's often locked up.
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29:21 - 29:27There's often guard cages. It's like having a national park but with a moat around it,
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29:27 - 29:33and gun turrets pointed out, in case somebody may want to actually come and enjoy the public domain.
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29:33 - 29:39One of the things Aaron was particularly interested in was bringing public access to the public domain.
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29:39 - 29:43This is one of the things that got him into so much trouble.
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29:46 - 29:53I had been trying to get access to federal court records in the United States.
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29:54 - 29:59What I discovered was a puzzling system, called Pacer.
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30:00 - 30:03Which stands for Public Access to Court Electronic Records.
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30:03 - 30:07I started Googling, and that's when I ran
across Carl Malamud. -
30:09 - 30:15Access to legal materials in the U.S. is a
$10 billion per year business. -
30:15 - 30:23Pacer is just this incredible abomination
of government services. It's 10 cents a page, -
30:23 - 30:27it's this most braindead code you've ever seen. You can't search it, you can't bookmark anything.
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30:27 - 30:32You've got to have a credit card, and these are public records.
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30:32 - 30:37U.S. district courts are very important, it's
where a lot of our seminal litigation starts. -
30:37 - 30:44Civil rights cases, patent cases, all sorts of stuff. Journalists, students, citizens and lawyers
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30:44 - 30:49all need access to Pacer and it fights them every step of the way.
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30:49 - 30:55People without means can't see the law as readily as people that have that gold American Express card.
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30:55 - 30:58It's a poll tax on access to justice.
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30:58 - 31:04You know the law is the operating system of our democracy and you have to pay to see it?
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31:04 - 31:07You know, that's not much of a democracy.
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31:07 - 31:12They make about 120 million dollars a year on the Pacer system
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31:12 - 31:18and it doesn't cost anything near that, according to their own records. In fact, it's illegal.
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31:19 - 31:26The E-government Act of 2002 states that the courts may charge only to the extent necessary,
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31:26 - 31:30in order to reimburse the costs of running Pacer.
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31:35 - 31:40As the founder of Public.Resource.Org, Malamud wanted to protest the Pacer charges.
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31:40 - 31:43He started a program called the Pacer Recycling Project,
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31:43 - 31:47where people could upload Pacer documents they had already paid for
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31:47 - 31:50to a free database so others could use them.
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31:50 - 31:55The Pacer people were getting a lot of flack from Congress and others about public access,
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31:55 - 32:01and so they put together a system in 17 libraries across the country that was free Pacer access.
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32:02 - 32:08You know, that's one library every 22,000 square miles, I believe, so it wasn't like really convenient.
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32:08 - 32:12I encouraged volunteers to join the so-called Thumb Drive Court,
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32:12 - 32:17and download docs from the public access libraries, upload them to the Pacer recycling site.
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32:17 - 32:21People take a thumb drive into one of these libraries and they download a bunch of documents
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32:21 - 32:25and they send them to me... I mean, it was just a joke.
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32:25 - 32:29In fact, when you clicked on Thumb Drive Court, there was a Wizard of Oz [movie clip],
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32:29 - 32:32you know, the Munchkin singing, so a videoclip came up:
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32:32 - 32:35♪ We represent the lollipop guild. ♪
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32:35 - 32:39But of course I get this phone calls from Steve Shultz and Aaron, saying:
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32:40 - 32:43Gee, we'd like to join the Thumb Drive Court.
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32:43 - 32:48Around that time I ran into Aaron at a conference.
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32:48 - 32:52This is something that really has to be a collaboration between a lot of different people.
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32:52 - 32:53So I approached him and I said:
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32:53 - 32:58Hey, I am thinking about an intervention on the Pacer problem.
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33:00 - 33:04Schultz had already developed a program that could automatically download Pacer documents
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33:04 - 33:06from the trial libraries.
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33:06 - 33:09Swartz wanted to take a look.
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33:09 - 33:13So, I showed him the code and I didn't know what would come next,
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33:13 - 33:19but as it turns out, over the course of the next few hours at that conference,
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33:19 - 33:25he was off sitting in a corner, improving my code, recruiting a friend of his
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33:25 - 33:32that lived near one of these libraries to go into the library and to begin to test his improved code,
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33:32 - 33:38at which point the folks at the courts realized something is not going quite according to plan.
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33:38 - 33:43And data started to come in, and come in, and come in
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33:43 - 33:48and soon there was 760 GB of Pacer docs, about 20 million pages.
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33:49 - 33:52Using information retrieved from the trial libraries,
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33:52 - 33:57Swartz was conducting massive automated parallel downloading of the Pacer system.
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33:57 - 34:04He was able to acquire nearly 2.7 million Federal Court documents, almost 20 million pages of text.
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34:04 - 34:10Now I'll grant you that 20 million pages had perhaps exceed the expectations of the people
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34:10 - 34:15running the pilot access project, but surprising a bureaucrat isn't illegal.
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34:15 - 34:19Aaron and Carl decided to go talk to The New York Times about what happened.
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34:20 - 34:26They also caught the attention of the FBI, who began to stake out Swartz's parents' house in Illinois.
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34:27 - 34:31And I get a tweet from his mother, saying: "Call me!!"
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34:31 - 34:34So, I think, like, what the hell's going on here?
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34:34 - 34:39And so, finally I get a hold of Aaron and, you know, Aaron's mother was like: "Oh my God, FBI, FBI, FBI!"
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34:40 - 34:46An FBI agent drives down our home's driveway, trying to see if Aaron is, like, in his room.
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34:47 - 34:52I remember being home that day, and wondering why this car was driving down our driveway,
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34:52 - 34:55and just driving back up. That's weird!
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34:57 - 35:05Like, five years later I read this FBI file, like, oh my goodness: that was the FBI agent, in my driveway.
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35:05 - 35:09He was terrified. He was totally terrified.
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35:10 - 35:15He was way more terrified after the FBI actually called him up on the phone,
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35:15 - 35:19and tried to sucker him into coming down to a coffee shop without a lawyer.
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35:19 - 35:24He said he went home and lay down on the bed and, you know, was shaking.
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35:26 - 35:30The downloading also uncovered massive privacy violations in the court documents.
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35:30 - 35:35Ultimately, the courts were forced to change their policies as a result.
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35:35 - 35:40And the FBI closed their investigation without bringing charges.
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35:40 - 35:43To this day, I found it remarkable.
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35:43 - 35:48That anybody, even the most remote podunk field office of the FBI
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35:48 - 35:52thought that a fitting use for tax-payers dollars was investigating people
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35:52 - 35:55for criminal theft on the grounds that they had made the law public.
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35:55 - 35:58How can you call yourself a lawman
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35:58 - 36:02And think that there could possibly be anything wrong in this whole world
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36:02 - 36:04with making the law public ?
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36:04 - 36:09Aaron was willing to put himself at risk for the causes that he believed in.
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36:09 - 36:16Bothered by wealth disparity, Swartz moves beyond technology and into a broader range of political causes.
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36:16 - 36:22I went into Congress and I invited him to come and hang out and intern for us for a while
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36:22 - 36:25so that he could learn, you know, the political process.
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36:25 - 36:31He was sort of learning about new community and new sets of skills and kind of learning to hack politics.
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36:31 - 36:37It seems ridiculous that miners should have to hammer away until their whole bodies are dripping with sweat
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36:37 - 36:41faced with the knowledge that if they dare to stop, they won't able to put food on their table that night.
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36:41 - 36:47While I get to make larger and larger amounts of money each day just by sitting and watching TV.
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36:47 - 36:49But apparently the world is ridiculous.
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36:49 - 36:53So, I co-founded a group called "The Progressive Change Campaign Committee",
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36:53 - 36:58and what we try and do is we try to organize people over the Internet who care about progressive politics
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36:58 - 37:01and moving the country toward a more progressive direction.
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37:01 - 37:04To kind of come together, join our e-mail list, join our campaign
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37:04 - 37:06and help us to get progressive candidates elected all across the country.
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37:06 - 37:13The group is responsible for igniting the grassroots effort behind the campaign to elect Elizabeth Warren to the Senate.
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37:13 - 37:18He might have thought it was a dumb system but he came in and he said, "I need to learn this system,
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37:18 - 37:21because it can be manipulated like any, you know, like any social system".
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37:22 - 37:26But his passion for knowledge and libraries didn't take a back seat.
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37:26 - 37:31Aaron began to take a closer look at the institutions that publish academic journal articles.
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37:32 - 37:38By virtue of being students at a major US university, I assume you have access to a wide variety of scholarly journals.
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37:38 - 37:44Pretty much every major university in the United States pays these sort of licensing fees to organizations like
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37:44 - 37:51Jstor and Thompson Isi to get access to scholarly journals that the rest of the world can't read.
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37:51 - 37:57These scholarly journals and articles are essentially the entire wealth of human knowledge online
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37:57 - 38:02And many have been paid for with taxpayer money or with government grants.
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38:02 - 38:09But to read them, you often have to pay again handing over steep fees to publishers like Reed-Elsevier.
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38:09 - 38:15These licenses fees are so substantial that people who are studying in India instead of studying in United States
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38:15 - 38:19don't have this kind of access, they are locked out from all of these journals.
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38:19 - 38:27They are locked out from our entire scientific legacy. I mean, a lot of these journal articles, they go back to the Enlightenment.
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38:27 - 38:32Every time someone has written down a scientific paper, it's been scanned, digitized and put in these collections.
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38:32 - 38:40That is a legacy that has been brought to us by the history of people doing interesting work, the history of scientists.
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38:40 - 38:43It's a legacy that should belong to us as a commons, as a people,
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38:43 - 38:48but instead, it has been locked up and put online by an handful of for-profit corporations
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38:48 - 38:53who then try to get the maximum profit they can out of it.
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38:53 - 38:59So a researcher paid by the university or the people publishes a paper
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38:59 - 39:02and at the very, very last step of that process, after all the work is done
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39:02 - 39:07after all the original researches and the thinking, the lab work, the analysis, after everything is done
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39:07 - 39:13at that last stage, then the researcher has to hand over his or her copyright to this multi-billion dollar company.
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39:14 - 39:16And it's sick.
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39:16 - 39:21It's an entire economy built on volunteer labor, and then the publishers sit at the very top and scrapes off the cream.
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39:22 - 39:29Talk about a scam. One publisher in Britain made a profit of three billion dollars last year.
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39:29 - 39:30I mean, what a racket!
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39:30 - 39:39JSTOR is just a very, very small player in that story but, for some reason, JSTOR is the player that Aaron decided to confront.
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39:42 - 39:46He'd gone to some conference around Open Access and Open Publishing, and I don't know who the person from JSTOR was,
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39:46 - 39:53but I think they, at some point Aaron asked the question, like : "How much would it cost to open up JSTOR in perpetuity?".
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39:53 - 39:58And they gave some, I think it was two hundred million dollars,
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39:58 - 40:00something that Aaron thought was totally ridiculous.
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40:01 - 40:12Working on a fellowship at Harvard, he knew users on MIT's famously open and fast network next door had authorized access to the riches of JSTOR. Swartz saw an opportunity.
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40:13 - 40:13You have a key to those gates
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40:14 - 40:20and with a little bit of shell script magic, you can get those journal articles.
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40:21 - 40:23On September 24th 2010,
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40:23 - 40:27Swartz registered a newly purchased Acer laptop
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40:27 - 40:31on the MIT network, under the name Garry Host.
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40:31 - 40:36The client name was registered as Ghost laptop.
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40:36 - 40:39He doesn't hack JSTOR in the traditional sense of hacking.
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40:39 - 40:41The JSTOR database was organized,
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40:41 - 40:45so it was completely trivial to figure out how you could download all the articles in JSTOR,
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40:45 - 40:47because it was basically numbered.
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40:47 - 40:53It was basically slash slash slash... number article 400 and 44000, 24 and 25 and 26.
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40:53 - 40:56He wrote a Python script called keepgrabbing.pi,
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40:56 - 40:59which was, like, keeping grabbing one article after another.
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40:59 - 41:02The next day, Ghost laptop begins grabbing articles,
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41:02 - 41:09but soon, the computer's IP address is blocked. For Swartz, it'a barely a bump in the road.
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41:09 - 41:14He quickly reassigns his computer's IP address and keeps downloading.
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41:14 - 41:18Well, JSTOR and MIT take a number of steps to try to interfere with this,
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41:18 - 41:20when they notice that this is happening,
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41:20 - 41:22and when the more modest steps don't work,
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41:22 - 41:27then at a certain stage, JSTOR just cuts off MIT from having access to the JSTOR database.
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41:27 - 41:30So there's a kind of cat-and-mouse game around
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41:30 - 41:34getting access to the JSTOR database.
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41:34 - 41:40Aaron, ultimately, obviously is the cat because he has more technical capability
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41:40 - 41:43than the JSTOR database people do in defending them.
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41:43 - 41:47Eventually, there was an unlocked supply closet in the basement of one of the buildings
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41:47 - 41:51and he went, instead of going through wi-fi, he went down there and he just plugged his computer directly into the network
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41:51 - 41:56and just left it there with an external hard drive downloading these articles to the computer.
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41:56 - 42:02Unknown to Swartz, his laptop and hard drive had been found by authorities.
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42:02 - 42:06They didn't stop the downloads.
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42:06 - 42:08Instead they installed a surveillance camera.
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42:11 - 42:15They found the computer in this room in the basement of an MIT building.
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42:15 - 42:20They could have unplugged it, they could have waited for the guy to come back and said,
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42:20 - 42:24"Dude, what are you doing, you know, cut it out. Who are you?"
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42:24 - 42:26They could have done all that kind of stuff, but they didn't.
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42:26 - 42:33What they wanted to do was film it to gather evidence to make a case. That's the only reason [why] you film something like that.
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42:38 - 42:42At first, the only person caught on the glitchy surveillance camera
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42:42 - 42:45was using the closet as a place to store bottles and cans.
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42:54 - 42:55But days later, it caught Swartz.
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43:06 - 43:10Swartz is replacing the hard drive. He takes it out of his backpack,
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43:12 - 43:14leans out of frame for about five minutes,
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43:15 - 43:25and then leaves.
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43:37 - 43:42And then they, like, organized like a stakeout where, as he was biking home from MIT,
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43:42 - 43:45these cops came out from like either side of the road,
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43:45 - 43:47or something like that, and started going after him.
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43:50 - 43:54He describes that he was pressed down, and assaulted by the police.
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43:55 - 44:02He tells me that they--it's unclear that they were police that were after him. He thought that someone was trying to attack him.
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44:03 - 44:05He does tell me they beat him up.
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44:08 - 44:15It was just devastating. The notion of any kind of criminal prosecution of anyone in our family or anything
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44:15 - 44:18was so foreign and incomprehensible, I didn't know what to do.
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44:18 - 44:24Well, they execute search warrants at Aaron's house, his apartment in Cambridge, in his office at Harvard.
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44:28 - 44:34Two days before the arrest, the investigation had gone beyond JSTOR and the local Cambridge police.
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44:34 - 44:37ItThey had been taken over by the United States Secret Service.
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44:38 - 44:42The Secret Service began investigating computer and credit card fraud in 1984,
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44:44 - 44:46but six weeks after the attack on 9/11, their role expanded.
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44:48 - 44:49[applause]
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44:50 - 44:55President Bush used The Patriot Act to establish a network of what they called "Electronic Crimes Task Forces"
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44:57 - 45:01The bill before me takes account of the new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists.
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45:02 - 45:07According to the Secret Service, they are primarily engaged in activity with economic impact,
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45:07 - 45:11organized criminal groups, or use of schemes involving new technology.
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45:11 - 45:16The Secret Service turned Swartz's case over to the Boston U.S. Attorney's office.
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45:16 - 45:19There was a guy in the U.S. attorney's office who had the title:
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45:19 - 45:22"Head of the Computer Crimes Division or Task Force"
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45:22 - 45:24I don't know what else he had going,
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45:24 - 45:29but you're certainly not much of a "Computer Crimes Prosecutor" without a computer crime to prosecute,
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45:30 - 45:35so he jumped on it, kept if for himself, didn't assign it to someone else within the office or the unit
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45:36 - 45:37and that's Steve Heymann.
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45:38 - 45:42Prosecutor Stephen Heymann has been largely out of public view since the arrest of Aaron Swartz,
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45:42 - 45:49but he can be seen here, in an episode of the television show "American Greed", filmed around the time of Aaron's arrest.
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45:49 - 45:53He is describing his previous case against the notorious hacker Alberto Gonzales,
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45:54 - 45:57a case that garnered Heymann enormous press attention and accolades.
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45:57 - 46:02Gonzales masterminded the theft of over a hundred million credit card and ATM numbers,
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46:02 - 46:04the largest such fraud in history.
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46:05 - 46:09Here, Heymann, describing Gonzales, gives his view on the hacker mindset:
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46:10 - 46:16These guys are driven by a lot of the same things that we're driven by.
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46:17 - 46:25They have an ego, they like challenge, and of course they like money and everything you can get for money.
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46:25 - 46:30One of the suspects implicated in the Gonzales case was a young hacker named Jonathan James.
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46:30 - 46:33Believing Gonzales' crimes would be pinned on him,
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46:33 - 46:36James committed suicide during the investigation.
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46:37 - 46:41In an early press release describing the government position in the case of Aaron Swartz,
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46:41 - 46:46Heymann's boss, US Attorney for the district of Massachussets Carmen Ortiz, said this :
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46:46 - 46:50
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46:50 - 46:53
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46:54 - 46:56It is not true; it's obviously not true.
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46:56 - 46:58I'm not saying it's harmless,
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46:59 - 47:06and I'm not saying that we should'nt criminalize stealing of information
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47:06 - 47:09but you got to be much more subtle in
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47:09 - 47:14trying to figure out exactly which kinds of harms are harmful here.
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47:14 - 47:17So the thing about the crowbar is,
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47:17 - 47:19every time I break into a place with a crowbar
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47:19 - 47:21I do damages, there is no doubt about it.
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47:21 - 47:24But when Aaron writes a script that says
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47:24 - 47:27download download download, a hundred times in a second,
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47:27 - 47:30there's no obvious damage to anybody.
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47:31 - 47:33If he does that for the purpose of gathering
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47:33 - 47:36an archive to academic researchers
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47:36 - 47:38there is never any damage to anybody.
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47:39 - 47:46He wasn't stealing, he wasn't selling what he got, or giving it away. He was making a point, for as far as I could tell.
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47:46 - 47:48The arrest took its toll on Swartz.
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47:48 - 47:50He just wouldn't talk about it.
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47:50 - 47:51I mean, he was very stressed.
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47:52 - 47:54If you would thought that, like, the FBI
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47:54 - 47:57was like going to come to your doorstep any day,
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47:57 - 47:58anytime you went down the hall,
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47:58 - 47:59even to do your laundry,
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48:00 - 48:02and they'd break in into your apartment
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48:02 - 48:03'cause you left the door unlocked,
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48:04 - 48:06like... I'd be pretty stressed.
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48:06 - 48:07And it was clear,
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48:08 - 48:11and so Aaron was always sort of, like, in, like, in a dour mood.
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48:19 - 48:22He wouldn't give off any sensitive information
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48:22 - 48:24about his whereabouts during this time,
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48:24 - 48:26because he was so afraid
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48:26 - 48:29that the FBI would be waiting for him.
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48:31 - 48:35It was a time of unprecedented social and political activism.
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48:35 - 48:38Time Magazine would later name as their
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48:38 - 48:412011 Person of the Year "The Protester".
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48:42 - 48:46There was a kind of hotbed of hacker activity going on.
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48:49 - 48:53WikiLeaks had released a trove of diplomatic cables,
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48:54 - 48:56Manning had been under arrest at the time,
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48:57 - 49:00it was unknown whether he was the source of the leak.
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49:01 - 49:05Anonymous, which is a kind of protest ensemble that
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49:05 - 49:07has a lot of hackers in its ranks,
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49:08 - 49:11were going on various sprees of sorts.
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49:12 - 49:14If you compare that to what he did,
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49:14 - 49:18this stuff should have been left behind for MIT and JSTOR to deal with,
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49:19 - 49:22in a kind of private, professional matter.
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49:22 - 49:28It should have never gotten the attention of the criminal system.
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49:29 - 49:30It just didn't belong there.
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49:37 - 49:40Before he was indicted, Swartz was offered a plea deal
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49:40 - 49:42that involved three months in prison,
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49:42 - 49:43time in an half-way house,
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49:43 - 49:45and a year of home detention,
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49:46 - 49:48all without the use of a computer.
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49:48 - 49:52It was on the condition that Swartz plead guilty to a felony.
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49:53 - 49:57Here we are, we have no discovery, no evidence whatsoever
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49:57 - 49:59about what the government's case is,
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49:59 - 50:02and we have to make this immense decision
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50:02 - 50:05where the lawyer is pushing you to do this,
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50:06 - 50:10the government is giving you a non-negotiable demand,
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50:10 - 50:12and you're told that you're likelyhood
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50:12 - 50:13of prevailing is small.
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50:14 - 50:16So whether you're guilty or not,
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50:16 - 50:18you're better off taking, taking the deal.
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50:19 - 50:21Boston has its own Computer Crimes Division,
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50:21 - 50:25lots of lawyers, probably more lawyers than they need.
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50:26 - 50:29So, you know, you can imagine all sorts of cases
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50:29 - 50:31that will be really hard to prosecute,
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50:31 - 50:33because you've got some criminals in Russia,
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50:33 - 50:36or you've got some people inside of a corporation
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50:36 - 50:40that are gonna five hundred dollar lawyers or seven hundred dollar-an-hour lawyers
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50:40 - 50:41sitting down against you,
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50:42 - 50:43and then you got this case with this kid
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50:44 - 50:46which is pretty easy to prove
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50:47 - 50:48that he did something
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50:48 - 50:50and he's already marked himself
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50:51 - 50:53as a troublemaker with the FBI,
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50:53 - 50:55so why not go as tough as you can
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50:56 - 50:57against that guy?
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50:57 - 50:58It's good for you the prosecutor,
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50:59 - 51:00it's good for the Republic,
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51:00 - 51:02'cause you're fighting all those terrorist types.
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51:03 - 51:05I was so scared, I was so scared
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51:05 - 51:06of having my computer seized,
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51:06 - 51:08I was so scared of going to jail,
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51:08 - 51:10because of my computer being seized,
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51:10 - 51:12I had confidential material
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51:13 - 51:15from sources from my previous work on my laptop,
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51:15 - 51:19and that is above all my priority,
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51:19 - 51:20is to keep my sources safe.
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51:21 - 51:24I was so scared of what was going to happen to Ada.
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51:25 - 51:28Aaron told me that they offered him a deal
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51:28 - 51:32and he finally just said that he would take it
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51:32 - 51:33if I told him to.
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51:33 - 51:35And I say, I came real close to saying,
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51:35 - 51:36Take it.
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51:37 - 51:42He had these, he had developed, like, serious political aspirations
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51:43 - 51:45in the intervening time, between when, you know,
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51:46 - 51:51that moment when he ended that entrepreneurial start-up life,
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51:51 - 51:55and begun this new life that had come to this political activism,
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51:56 - 52:04and he just didn't believe that he could continue in his life with a felony.
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52:04 - 52:06You know, he said to me one day,
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52:06 - 52:08we were walking by the White House, and he said to me,
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52:08 - 52:09"They don't let felons work there."
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52:18 - 52:21And you know he really, he really wanted that to be his life.
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52:23 - 52:25He hadn't killed anybody, he hadn't hurt anybody,
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52:26 - 52:28he hadn't like stolen money,
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52:28 - 52:31he hadn't done anything that seems felony worthy, right,
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52:33 - 52:37and there is this idea that like,
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52:37 - 52:39there is no reason that he should be labelled a felon
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52:40 - 52:43and taken away his right to vote in many states
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52:44 - 52:46for doing what he did like, that's just outrageous.
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52:46 - 52:47Like it makes sense for him to be, you know,
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52:47 - 52:49maybe find a bunch of money or, you know,
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52:49 - 52:53asked not to come back to MIT again.
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52:54 - 52:58But like, to be a felon? To face jail time?
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53:02 - 53:03Swartz turned down the plea deal.
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53:04 - 53:07Heymann redoubled his efforts.
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53:08 - 53:12Heymann continued to press us at all, at all levels.
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53:13 - 53:16Even with the physical evidence seized from Aaron's
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53:16 - 53:18Acer computer harddrive and USB drive,
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53:19 - 53:22the prosecutors needed evidence of his motives.
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53:22 - 53:25Why was Aaron Swartz downloading articles from JSTOR,
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53:25 - 53:27and just what did he plan to do with them?
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53:30 - 53:32The government claims that he was planning to publish these.
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53:33 - 53:36We don't really know whether that was his real intention
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53:36 - 53:38because Aaron also had a history of
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53:39 - 53:43doing projects where he'd analyze giant data sets of articles
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53:44 - 53:45in order to learn interesting things about them.
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53:46 - 53:48The best evidence for that was that when he was at Stanford,
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53:48 - 53:52he also downloaded the whole Westlaw legal database.
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53:52 - 53:56In a project with Stanford law students,
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53:56 - 53:58Swartz had downloaded the Westlaw legal database.
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53:59 - 54:01He uncovered troubling connections between
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54:02 - 54:03funders of legal research
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54:03 - 54:05and favorable results.
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54:05 - 54:08He did this amazing analysis of for-profit companies
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54:08 - 54:12giving money to law professors who wrote law review articles
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54:12 - 54:15which were then beneficial to, like, Exxon during an oil spill.
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54:16 - 54:18So it was a very corrupt system of funding,
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54:18 - 54:19you know, vanity research.
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54:19 - 54:23Swartz had never released the Westlaw documents.
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54:23 - 54:26In theory, he could have been doing the same thing about the JSTOR database.
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54:26 - 54:28That would have been completely okay.
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54:28 - 54:30If he were, on the other hand, intending to create
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54:30 - 54:34a competitive service to JSTOR,
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54:34 - 54:36like, we're going to set up our own, you know,
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54:36 - 54:38access to the Harvard Law Review and charge,
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54:38 - 54:40you know, money for it, then you know, okay now
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54:41 - 54:43it seems like criminal violation because you are
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54:43 - 54:45commercially trying to exploit this material,
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54:45 - 54:47but it's kind of crazy to imagine that that was what he was doing.
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54:49 - 54:51So, but then there's the middle case: well, what if he
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54:52 - 54:54was just trying to liberate it for all of the developing world,
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54:54 - 54:56but depending on what he was doing,
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54:56 - 54:59it creates a very different character to how the law should be thinking about it,
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54:59 - 55:04um, the government was prosecuting him as if this was like a commercial criminal violation,
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55:04 - 55:07like stealing a whole bunch of credit card records that it was that kind of crime.
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55:07 - 55:10I don't know what he was going to do with that database,
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55:11 - 55:14but I heard from a friend of his that Aaron had told him
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55:14 - 55:16that he was going to analyze the data for evidence of
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55:16 - 55:19corporate funding of climate change research
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55:19 - 55:21that led to biased results,
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55:21 - 55:23and I, I, I totally believe that.
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55:26 - 55:28I was just told that Steve wanted to talk to me...
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55:29 - 55:33um, and I thought that maybe this was a way I could get out of this,
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55:33 - 55:35just, just exit the situation,
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55:36 - 55:38and I didn't want to live in fear of having my computer seized,
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55:39 - 55:41um, I didn't want to live in fear of having to go to jail
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55:42 - 55:44on a contempt of court charge if they tried to
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55:45 - 55:47compel me to decrypt my computer.
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55:47 - 55:48When they came to me and said,
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55:49 - 55:50"Steve wants to talk to you"
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55:51 - 55:52that seemed reasonable.
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55:53 - 55:55They offered Norton what is know as:
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55:55 - 55:58a "Queen For A Day" letter or a proffer.
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55:58 - 56:01It allowed prosecutors to ask questions about Aaron's case.
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56:01 - 56:04Norton would be given immunity from prosecution herself,
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56:04 - 56:07for any information she revealed during the meeting.
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56:07 - 56:10I didn't like it, I, I told my lawyers repeatedly
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56:10 - 56:14that I didn't...this seemed fishy, I didn't like this, I didn't want immunity,
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56:14 - 56:16I didn't need immunity, I hadn't done anything,
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56:17 - 56:19but they were really, really stringent that there was,
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56:19 - 56:22they did not want me meeting the prosecutor without immunity.
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56:22 - 56:25[Interviewer] But just to be clear, this is a "Queen For A Day" deal, a proffer.
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56:25 - 56:26[Norton] Right, a proffer letter.
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56:26 - 56:29[Interviewer] In which you basically handed information to them
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56:29 - 56:30in exchange for protection from prosecution.
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56:30 - 56:33[Norton] So, um, it wasn't handing information over,
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56:34 - 56:36it was, at least that's not how I saw it,
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56:36 - 56:38it was just having a discussion, having an interview with them.
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56:38 - 56:40[Interviewer] Well, it's, they're asking you questions...
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56:40 - 56:41[Norton] They're asking me questions...
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56:41 - 56:42[Interviewer] and they can ask about whatever they want.
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56:42 - 56:43[Norton] Right.
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56:43 - 56:44[Interviewer] and whatever they learn...
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56:44 - 56:46[Norton] I really...
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56:46 - 56:46[Interviewer] ...not allowed to prosecute...
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56:47 - 56:49[Norton] Right, and I repeatedly tried to go in naked.
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56:50 - 56:53I repeatedly, I repeatedly tried to turn down the proffer letter.
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56:54 - 56:57I was ill, I was being pressured by my lawyers,
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56:57 - 57:01I was confused, I was not doing well by this point,
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57:01 - 57:03I was depressed and I was scared
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57:03 - 57:06and I didn't understand the situation I was in
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57:06 - 57:09I had no idea why I was in this situation.
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57:09 - 57:13I hadn't done anything interesting, much less wrong.
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57:13 - 57:15We went out of our minds.
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57:16 - 57:18Aaron was clearly very distraught about it.
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57:18 - 57:19We were very distraught about it.
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57:19 - 57:21Aaron's attorneys were very distraught about it.
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57:21 - 57:24We tried to get Quinn to change attorneys.
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57:24 - 57:26I was very unused to being in a room
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57:27 - 57:29with large men, well-armed
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57:29 - 57:31that are continually telling me I'm lying,
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57:31 - 57:33and that I must have done something.
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57:34 - 57:37I told them that this thing that they were prosecuting
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57:37 - 57:40wasn't a crime.
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57:40 - 57:43I told them that they were on the wrong side of history.
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57:44 - 57:45I used that phrase.
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57:45 - 57:47I said, "You're on the wrong side of history."
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57:47 - 57:50Um, and they looked bored.
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57:50 - 57:52They didn't even look angry, they just looked bored,
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57:52 - 57:56and I, I, it began to occur to me that we weren't having
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57:57 - 57:58the same conversation.
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57:58 - 58:00I mean, I told them plenty of things, about you know,
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58:00 - 58:02why people would download journal articles,
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58:02 - 58:05and eventually, I don't remember what was around it
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58:05 - 58:09um, uh, I mentioned that he'd done this blog post,
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58:09 - 58:11the "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto".
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58:13 - 58:15This is the "Guerrilla Open Access Manifesto"
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58:16 - 58:19uh, supposedly written in July 2008 in Italy.
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58:21 - 58:25"Information is power. But like all power,
there are those who want to keep it for themselves." -
58:25 - 58:30"The world's entire scientific and cultural heritage,
published over centuries in books and journals, -
58:31 - 58:34"is increasingly being digitized and locked up by a
handful of private corporations." -
58:34 - 58:38"Meanwhile, those who have been locked out
are not standing idly by." -
58:39 - 58:43"You have been sneaking through holes and
climbing over fences, -
58:43 - 58:45"liberating the information locked up by
the publishers and sharing them with your friends." -
58:45 - 58:48"But all of this action goes on in the dark,
hidden underground." -
58:48 - 58:51"It's called stealing or piracy, as if sharing
a wealth of knowledge were -
58:52 - 58:55"the moral equivalent of plundering
a ship and murdering its crew." -
58:55 - 58:57"But sharing isn't immoral —
it's a moral imperative." -
58:58 - 59:01"Only those blinded by greed would
refuse to let a friend make a copy." -
59:02 - 59:04"There's no justice in following unjust laws."
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59:05 - 59:08"It's time to come into the light and,
in a grand tradition of civil disobedience, -
59:09 - 59:12"declare our opposition to this private
theft of public culture." -
59:13 - 59:16The manifesto itself was allegedly written
by four different people, -
59:16 - 59:22and also edited by Norton. But it was
Swartz, who had signed his name to it. -
59:22 - 59:28When it's over, I go immediately to Aaron and
tell him everything I can remember about it. -
59:29 - 59:31And he gets very angry.
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59:35 - 59:38The things that I'd done shouldn't
have added up that way. -
59:40 - 59:45I hadn't done anything wrong, and
everything had gone wrong. -
59:47 - 59:48But I was never...
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59:57 - 59:59I'm still angry.
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60:01 - 60:07I'm still angry that you could try your
best with these people to do the right thing, -
60:07 - 60:09and they'd turn everything against you.
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60:10 - 60:11And they will hurt you with
anything they can. -
60:15 - 60:19And in that moment, I regret
that I said what I did. -
60:20 - 60:23But my much larger regret is that
we have settled for this. -
60:24 - 60:26That we are okay with this.
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60:26 - 60:28That we are okay with the justice system, the system that
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60:29 - 60:31game people into little traps so
they can ruin our lives. -
60:32 - 60:35So yeah, I wish I hadn't said that.
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60:36 - 60:41But I'm much, much angrier
that this is where I am. -
60:43 - 60:47That this is what we,
as a people, think is okay. -
60:49 - 60:52They used every method that I think
they could think of to -
60:53 - 60:57get her to provide information
which would be unhelpful to Aaron and -
60:58 - 60:59helpful to the prosecution of Aaron.
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61:01 - 61:07But, you know, I don't think she had information
that was helpful to the government. -
61:08 - 61:12Months go by, as Swartz's friends and
family await a looming indictment. -
61:13 - 61:18In the meantime, Swartz was becoming a go-to
expert on a series of internet issues. -
61:18 - 61:19[RT interviewer} ...a question to you then:
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61:19 - 61:22Do you think that the internet is something that should be considered a human right,
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61:22 - 61:24and something that the government cannot take away from you?
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61:25 - 61:29Yes, definitely, I mean this notion that national security
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61:29 - 61:31is an excuse to shut down the internet, that's exactly
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61:32 - 61:34what we heard in Egypt and Syria and all these other countries,
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61:34 - 61:37and so, yeah, it's true, sites like WikiLeaks are going
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61:37 - 61:39to be putting up some embarassing material about
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61:39 - 61:41what the U.S. government does, and people are
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61:41 - 61:43going to be organizing to protest about it, and try and change their government.
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61:43 - 61:46You know, and that's a good thing, that's what all
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61:46 - 61:48these First Amendment rights of free expression,
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61:48 - 61:50of freedom of association are all about,
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61:50 - 61:52and so the notion that we should try and shut those down
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61:52 - 61:55I think, just goes against very basic American principles.
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61:55 - 61:58A principle, I think, is one that our Founding Fathers would have understood.
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61:58 - 62:00If the internet had been around back then, instead of
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62:00 - 62:03putting "post offices" in the Constitution, they would have put "ISPs".
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62:03 - 62:06[RT interviewer] Well, it's definitely interesting to see how far...
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62:06 - 62:09[Narrator] Swartz meets activist Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman,
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62:09 - 62:10and the two begin to date.
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62:11 - 62:13Aaron: We need a massive global public outcry.
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62:13 - 62:15Taren: But there's no massive global public outcry. It won't create any change.
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62:15 - 62:19Aaron: You know, four people in this city should cause a massive global public outcry.
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62:19 - 62:22Taren: You know, we need a petition signer.
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62:22 - 62:24[Narrator] Without telling her specifics,
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62:24 - 62:26he warned her he was involved in something
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62:26 - 62:28he called simply "The Bad Thing".
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62:28 - 62:31And I had sort of crazy theories, like, that he was having an
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62:31 - 62:33affair with Elizabeth Warren or something.
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62:33 - 62:38I speculated both Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren, actually, but um...
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62:38 - 62:41So, sometime in probably late July, Aaron called me
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62:42 - 62:47and I happened to pick up, and he said, you know,"The Bad Thing" might be in the news tomorrow.
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62:47 - 62:50Do you want me to tell you, or do you want to read about it in the news?"
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62:50 - 62:51And I said, "Well, I want you to, I want you to tell me."
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62:52 - 62:58Um, Aaron, he said, uh, "Well, I've been, I've been arrested for
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62:58 - 63:01downloading too many academic journal articles,
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63:01 - 63:03and they want to make an example out of me."
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63:04 - 63:09And I was, like, "That's it? That's the big fuss? Really? Like,
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63:09 - 63:11it just doesn't sound like a very big deal."
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63:11 - 63:16On July 14, 2011, federal prosecutors indict Swartz
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63:16 - 63:17on four felony counts.
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63:17 - 63:21He gets indicted, on the same day that, like,
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63:21 - 63:24two people in England who are part of LulzSec get arrested,
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63:25 - 63:28and, like, a few other real hackers. And Aaron is just like
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63:28 - 63:30someone who kind of looks like a hacker, enough
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63:31 - 63:33that they can, like, you know, put his head on a
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63:33 - 63:35stake, and like, put it on the gates.
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63:35 - 63:38Aaron went to surrender, and they arrested him.
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63:38 - 63:42They then, uh, strip-searched him,
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63:43 - 63:45uh, took away his shoelaces, took away his belt,
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63:46 - 63:48and left him in solitary confinement.
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63:50 - 63:54The District of Massachusetts United States Attorney's office released a statement
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63:55 - 63:58saying: "Swartz faces up to 35 years in prison,
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63:58 - 64:01to be followed by three years of supervised release,
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64:01 - 64:05restitution, forfeiture and a fine of up to one million dollars."
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64:07 - 64:09He is released on one hundred thousand dollars bail.
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64:09 - 64:12The same day, the primary victim in the case, JSTOR,
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64:13 - 64:16formally drops all charges against Swartz,
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64:16 - 64:18and declines to pursue the case.
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64:18 - 64:21JSTOR, they weren't our friends, they weren't helpful
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64:21 - 64:24or friendly to us, but they also were just kind of, like,
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64:24 - 64:25"We're not part of this."
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64:26 - 64:28JSTOR, and their parent company, ITHAKA,
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64:28 - 64:31also sidestepped requests to talk with this film.
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64:31 - 64:34But at the time, they released a statement saying:
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64:34 - 64:36"It was the government's decision whether to prosecute,
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64:36 - 64:37not JSTOR's."
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64:38 - 64:40And so it's our belief that,
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64:41 - 64:43with that, the case will be over.
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64:43 - 64:46That we should be able to get Steve Heymann to drop the case,
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64:46 - 64:48or settle it in some rational way.
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64:49 - 64:50And the government refused.
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64:51 - 64:52[Narrator] Why?
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64:56 - 64:58Well, because I think they wanted to make an example out of Aaron,
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64:58 - 65:01and they said they wanted, the reason why they wouldn't
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65:02 - 65:06move on requiring a felony conviction and jail time
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65:06 - 65:12was that they wanted, uh, they wanted to use this case as a case of deter- for deterence.
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65:13 - 65:13They told us that.
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65:13 - 65:14[Interviewer] They told you that.
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65:14 - 65:15Yes.
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65:15 - 65:17[Interviewer] This was going to be an example.
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65:17 - 65:17Yes.
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65:17 - 65:18[Interviewer] He was going to be made an example.
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65:18 - 65:19Yes.
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65:20 - 65:22Uh, uh, Steve Heymann said that.
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65:22 - 65:26Deterring who? Like, there's other people out there running around logging onto JSTOR
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65:27 - 65:29and downloading the articles to make a political statement?
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65:29 - 65:30I mean, who are they deterring?
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65:30 - 65:35It would be easier to understand the Obama administration's
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65:35 - 65:38posture of supposedly being for deterrents
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65:38 - 65:41if this was an administration that, for instance,
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65:41 - 65:44prosecuted arguably the biggest economic crime
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65:44 - 65:46that this country has seen in the last hundred years.
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65:46 - 65:50The crimes that were committed that led to the financial crisis on Wall Street.
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65:50 - 65:52When you start deploying
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65:52 - 65:56the non-controversial idea of deterrents,
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65:57 - 65:58only selectively
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65:58 - 66:02you stop making a dispassionate analysis of law-breaking
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66:02 - 66:07and you started deciding to deploy law enforcement resources
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66:07 - 66:10specifically on the basis of political ideology, and
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Not SyncedProsecutor Stephen Heymann later reportedly told MIT's outside counsel
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Not SyncedSwartz founded called "Demand Progress".
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Not SyncedAccording to the MIT account, Heymann reacted to the short statement of support,
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Not Syncedcalling it a "wild internet campaign" and a "foolish move"
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Not Syncedthat moved the case from a human one-on-one level
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Not SyncedYou spend how many tax dollars arresting someone for taking too many books out of the library,
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Not SyncedI then moved to try to put as much pressure on MIT in various ways to get them
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Not Synced[Interviewer] What was MIT's reaction to that?
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Not SyncedThere doesn't seem to be any reaction from MIT at that point.
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Not SyncedMIT doesn't defend Aaron
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Not Syncedthat encourages hacking in the biggest sense of the word.
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Not SyncedThey had the moral
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Not SyncedMIT never stood up and took a position of saying to the Feds, "Don't do this.
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Not SyncedWe don't want you to do this. You're overreacting. This is too strong."
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Not SyncedThey acted like any corporation would. They sort of
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Not SyncedMIT declined repeated requests to comment,
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Not Syncedto maintain a position of neutrality, and believed Heymann and the U.S. Attorney's office
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Not Synceddid not care what MIT thought or said about the case.
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Not SyncedMIT's behaviour seemed
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Not SyncedYou could argue that MIT turned a blind eye, and that was okay for them to do,
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Not Syncedbut taking that stance, taking that neutral stance, in and of itself, was taking a pro-prosecutor stance.
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Not SyncedIf you look at Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak,
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Not Syncedby using computer time at Harvard, which was pretty clearly against the rules.
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Not SyncedThe difference between Aaron and the people I just mentioned
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Not SyncedHe didn't want to just make money.
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Not SyncedSwartz continues to be outspoken on a variety of internet issues.
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Not Synced[Swartz] You know, the reason the internet works is because
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Not Syncedmore discussion, more debate, but instead, it seems
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Not Syncedlike what congress is focused on is shutting things down.
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Not Synced[ ] Aaron thought he could change the world
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Not Syncedjust by explaining the world very clearly to people.
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Not Synced[RT interviewer] ...Flame
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Not SyncedWelcome, Aaron. Good to have you back on the show here.
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Not SyncedYou know, just like spies used to in olden days, put microphones and tap what people were saying,
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Not Syncednow they're using computers to do the same things.
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Not Synced[Narrator] Swartz's political activity continues.
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Not SyncedHis attention turning to a bill moving through Congress designed to curb online piracy.
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Not SyncedIt was called "SOPA".
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Not SyncedActivists like Peter Eckersley saw it
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Not Syncedas an enormous overreach, threatening the technical integrity of the internet, itself.
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Not Synced[Ekersley] And one of the first things I did was to call Aaron.
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Not SyncedAnd I said, "Can we do a big online campaign against this?"
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Not Synced"This isn't a bill about copyright."
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Not Synced"It's not?"
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Not Synced"No," he said, "it's a bill about the freedom to connect."
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Not SyncedNow I was listening.
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Not SyncedAnd he thought about it for a while, and then said, "Yes."
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Not SyncedAnd he went and founded Demand Progress.
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Not SyncedDemand Progress is an online activism organization.
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Not SyncedWe've got around a million and a half members now,
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Not Syncedum, but started in the fall of 2010.
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Not SyncedAaron was one of the most prominent people in a community of people who
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Not Syncedat the federal level in this country.
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Not SyncedSOPA was the bill that was intended to curtail online piracy of music and movies
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Not Syncedbut what it did was basically take a sledgehammer to a problem that needed a scalpel.
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Not SyncedIf passed, the law would allow a company to cut off finances to entire websites without due process,
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Not Syncedor even to force Google to exclude their links.
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Not SyncedAll they needed was a single claim of copyright infringement.
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Not SyncedIt pitted the titans of traditional media against
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Not Synceda new and now far more sophisticated remix culture.
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Not SyncedIt makes everyone who runs a website into a policeman,
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Not Synced[Lofgren] This was over the top,
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Not SyncedI mean, this was a, a catastrophe.
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Not SyncedThis bill poses a serious threat to speech and civil liberties for all who use the internet.
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Not SyncedWe're only a handful of us who said, "Look...
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Not Syncedwe're not for piracy, either, but it makes no sense to destroy the architecture of the internet,
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Not Syncedthe domain name system and so much that makes it free and open in the name of fighting piracy,
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Not Syncedand Aaron got that right away.
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Not SyncedThe freedoms, guaranteed in our Constitution, the freedoms our country had been built on
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Not SyncedNew technology, instead of bringing us greater freedom, would have snuffed out fundamental rights
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Not Syncedwe'd always taken for granted.
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Not SyncedAnd I realized that day, talking to Peter, that I couldn't let that happen.
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Not SyncedWhen SOPA was introduced in October, 2011, it was considered inevitable.
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Not SyncedOur strategy, when it first came out, was to hopefully slow the bill down,
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Not Syncedmaybe weaken it a little bit, uh but, even we
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Not Synceddidn't think that we would be able to stop this bill.
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Not SyncedHaving worked in Washington,
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Not Syncedwhat you learn is that, typically in Washington,
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Not Syncedthe legislative fights are fights between different sets of corporate monied interests.
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Not SyncedThey're all duking it out to pass legislation, and the fights that are the closest
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Not Syncedare when you have one set of corporate interests against another set of corporated interests,
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Not SyncedThose are the closest ones.
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Not SyncedThe ones that aren't even fights, typically, are ones
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Not Syncedwhere all the money is on one side, all the corporations are on one side,
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Not Syncedand it's just millions of people on the other side.
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Not SyncedHaven't seen anything like PIPA and SOPA in all my time in public service.
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Not SyncedThere were more than forty United States senators on that bill as co-sponsors,
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Not SyncedEven I began to doubt myself. It was a rough period.
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Not SyncedSwartz and Demand Progress were able to marshal enormous support using traditional outreach
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Not Syncedcombined with commonly used voice-over IP to make it very easy for people to call Congress.
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Not SyncedI've never met anybody else who was able to operate at his level
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Not Syncedboth on the technological side and on the campaign strategy side.
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Not SyncedMillions of people contacted Congress and signed anti-SOPA petitions.
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Not SyncedCongress was caught off guard.
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Not SyncedThere was just something about watching those clueless members of Congress debate the bill,
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Not Syncedwatching them insist they could regulate the internet,
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Not Syncedand a bunch of nerds couldn't possibly stop them.
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Not SyncedI am not a nerd.
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Not SyncedI'm just not enough of a nerd...
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Not SyncedMaybe we oughta ask some nerds what this thing really does. [laughter]
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Not SyncedLet's have a hearing, bring in the nerds...
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Not Synced[laughter]
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Not SyncedReally?
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Not Synced[laughter]
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Not Synced"Nerds"?
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Not Synced[laughter]
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Not SyncedYou know, I think, actually the word you're looking for is "experts"...
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Not Synced[laughter]
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Not Syncedto enlighten you so your laws don't backfire [audience laughter and applause]
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Not Syncedand break the internet.
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Not SyncedWe use the term "geek" but we're allowed to use that because we are geeks.
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Not SyncedThe fact that it got as far as it did, without them talking to any technical experts
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Not Syncedreflects the fact that there is a problem in this town.
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Not SyncedI'm looking for somebody to come before this body, and testify in a hearing, and say, "This is why they're wrong."
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Not SyncedThere used to be an office that provided science and technology advice,
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Not Syncedand members could go to them, and say, "Help me understand X,Y,Z."
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Not SyncedAnd Gingrich killed it. He said it was a waste of money.
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Not SyncedEver since then, Congress has plunged into the Dark Ages.
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Not SyncedI don't think anybody really thought that SOPA could be beaten, including Aaron.
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Not SyncedLike, it was worth trying, but it didn't seem winnable
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Not Syncedand I remember, maybe a few months later,
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Not SyncedI remember him just turning to me and being, like,
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Not Synced"I think we might win this."
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Not SyncedAnd I was, like, "That would be amazing."
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Not SyncedCalls to Congress continue. When the domain hosting site
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Not SyncedGo Daddy becomes a supporter of the bill,
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Not Syncedtens of thousands of users transferred their domain names in protest.
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Not SyncedWithin a week, a humbled Go Daddy reverses their position on SOPA.
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Not SyncedUh, when the congress people that supported, uh, the record and movie industries
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Not Synceduh, realized that there was this backlash, they kind of scaled the bill back a little bit.
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Not SyncedYou could see the curve happening.
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Not SyncedYou could see that we were, that our arguments were starting to resonate.
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Not SyncedIt was like Aaron had been, like, striking a match and it was being blown out,
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Not Syncedstriking another one, and it was being blown out,
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Not Syncedand finally he'd, like, managed to catch enough kindling that the flame actually caught
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Not Syncedand then it turned into this roaring blaze.
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Not SyncedOn January 16, 2012, the White House issued a statement
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Not Syncedsaying they didn't support the bill.
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Not SyncedAnd then this happened:
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Not SyncedI'm a big believer that, uh, we should be dealing with issues of piracy,
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Not Syncedand we should deal with them in a serious way.
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Not SyncedUh, but this bill is not the right bill.
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Not SyncedWhen Jimmy Wales put his support toward blacking out Wikipedia,
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Not Syncedthe number five most popular website in the world,
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Not Syncedthis is a website that's seven percent of all of the clicks on anywhere on the internet.
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Not SyncedWikipedia went black.
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Not SyncedReddit went black.
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Not SyncedCraigslist went black.
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Not SyncedThe phone lines on Capitol Hill flat out melted.
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Not SyncedMembers of Congress started rushing to issue statements retracting their support for the bill
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Not Syncedthat they were promoting just a couple days ago.
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Not SyncedWithin 24 hours, the number of opponents of SOPA in Congress
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Not SyncedTo see congressmen and senators slowly flip sides throughout the day of the blackout
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Not SyncedThere was like a hundred representative swing.
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Not SyncedAnd that was when, as hard as it was for me to believe, after all this,
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Not Syncedwe had won.
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Not SyncedThe thing that everyone said was impossible,
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Not Syncedthat some of the biggest companies in the world had written off as kind of a pipedream,
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Not Syncedhad happened.
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Not SyncedWe did it.
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Not SyncedWe won.
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Not SyncedThis is a historic week in internet politics--maybe American politics.
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Not SyncedThe thing that we heard from people in Washington, D.C., from the staffers on Capitol Hill was:
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Not Syncedthey received more emails and more phone calls on SOPA Blackout Day
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Not Syncedthan they'd ever received about anything.
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Not SyncedI think that was an extremely exciting moment.
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Not SyncedThis was the moment when the internet had grown up, politically.
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Not SyncedIt was exhilarating because it's hard to believe it actually happened.
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Not SyncedIt's hard to believe a bill with so much financial power behind it
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Not SyncedAnd not only did not sail through, it didn't pass at all.
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Not SyncedIt's easy sometimes to feel like you're powereless,
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Not Syncedlike when you come out on the streets and you march and you yell and nobody hears you.
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Not SyncedBut I'm here to tell you today, you are powerful.
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Not Synced[Crowd cheers]
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Not SyncedSo, yeah, maybe sometimes you feel like you're not being listened to
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Not Syncedbut I'm here to tell you that you are.
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Not SyncedYou are being listened to. You are making a difference.
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Not SyncedYou can stop this bill if you don't stop fighting.
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Not SyncedStop PIPA.
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Not SyncedStop SOPA.
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Not SyncedSome of the biggest internet companies, to put it frankly, would benefit
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Not Syncedfrom a world in which their little competitors could get censored.
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Not SyncedWe can't let that happen.
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Not SyncedFor him, it was more important to be sure that you made a small change
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Not Syncedthan to play a small part in a big change.
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Not SyncedBut SOPA was like playing a major part in a major change,
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Not Syncedand so for him, it was kind of this proof of concept
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Not Syncedlike, "Okay, you know, what I want to do with my life is change the world.
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Not SyncedI think about it in this really scientific way of, like, I'm measuring my impact,
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Not Syncedand this shows that it's possible.
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Not SyncedRight, the thing that I want to do with my life is possible.
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Not SyncedUm, I have proved that I can do it,
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Not Syncedthat I, Aaron Swartz, can change the world."
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Not SyncedFor a guy who, um, never really thought he had done much, which was Aaron, um,
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Not Syncedwas one of the few moments where you could really see
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Not Syncedthat he felt like he had done something good,
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Not Syncedfeeling like here is his maybe one and only victory lap.
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Not SyncedEveryone said there was no way we could stop SOPA.
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Not SyncedWe stopped it.
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Not SyncedThis is three outrageously good victories, and the year isn't even over yet.
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Not SyncedI mean, if there's a time to be positive, it's now.
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Not SyncedYou know, he wins at SOPA a year after he's arrested.
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Not SyncedIt's not unambiguously happy moments. There's a lot going on.
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Not SyncedHe's so attuned towards participating in the political process, you can't stop him.
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Not SyncedThe list of organizations Swartz founded or co-founded is enormous,
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Not Syncedand years before Edward Snowden would expose widespread internet surveillance,
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Not SyncedSwartz was already concerned.
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Not SyncedIt is shocking to think that the accountability is so lax
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Not Syncedthat they don't even have sort of basic statistics about how big the spying program is.
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Not SyncedAnd if the answer is: "Oh, we're spying on so many people we can't possibly even count them"
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Not Syncedthen that's an awful lot of people.
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Not SyncedIt'd be one thing if they said, "Look-you know- we know the number of telephones we're spying on,
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Not Syncedwe don't know exactly how many real people that corresponds to."
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Not Syncedbut they just came back and said, "We can't give you a number at all."
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Not SyncedThat's pretty-I mean-that's scary, is what it is.
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Not SyncedAnd they put incredible pressure on him, took away his, um, you know, all of the money he had made.
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Not SyncedThey, you know, threatened to take away his physical freedom.
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Not SyncedWhy'd they do it, you know? I mean, well, why are they going after whistleblowers?
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Not SyncedYou know, why are they going after people who tell the--you know--who tell the truth
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Not Syncedabout all sorts of things, I mean, from the banks, to war, to just sort of government transparency.
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Not SyncedSo secrecy serves those who are already in power,
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Not Syncedand we are living in an era of secrecy
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Not Syncedthat coincides with an era where the government is doing, also,
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Not Synceda lot of things that are probably illegal and unconstitutional.
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Not SyncedSo, those two things are not coincidences.
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Not SyncedIt's very clear that this technology has been developed
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Not Syncednot for small countries overseas, but right here, for use in the United States, by the U.S. government.
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Not SyncedThe problem with the spying program is it's this sort of long, slow expansion, you know,
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Not Syncedgoing back to the Nixon administation, right,
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Not Syncedobviously it became big after 9/11 under George W. Bush,
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Not Syncedand Obama has continued to experiment, and the problems have slowly grown worse and worse,
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Not Syncedbut there's never been this moment you can point to and say,
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Not Synced"Okay, we need to galvanize opposition today because today is when it matters..."
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Not SyncedThe prosecution, in my estimation of Aaron Swartz, was about sending a particular, lazerlike message
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Not Syncedto a group of people that the Obama administration sees as politically threatening,
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Not Syncedand that is, essentially, the hacker, the information, and the democracy activist community,
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Not Syncedand the message that the Obama administration wanted to send to that particular community was,
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Not Syncedin my estimation, "We know you have the ability to make trouble for the establishment,
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Not Syncedand so we are going to try to make an example out of Aaron Swartz
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Not Syncedto scare as many of you as possible into not making that trouble."
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Not SyncedAnd the government said, "Oh, the legal opinions we're using
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Not Syncedto legalize the spying program are also classified,
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Not Syncedso we can't even tell you which laws we're using to spy on you."
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Not SyncedYou know, every time they can say, "Oh, this is another instance of cyberwar.
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Not SyncedThe cybercriminals are attacking us again. We're all in danger. We're all under threat."
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Not SyncedThey use those as excuses to push through more and more dangerous laws.
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Not Synced[Interviewer] And so just to follow, like, personally, how do you feel the fight is going?
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Not SyncedIt's up to you.
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Not Synced[Interviewer] I know, it's just that, we gotta like, you know...
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Not SyncedYou know, there's sort of these two polarizing perspectives, right,
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Not Syncedeverything is great, the internet has created all this freedom and liberty,
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Not Syncedand everything's going to be fantastic
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Not Syncedor everything is terrible,
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Not Syncedthe internet has created all these tools for cracking down and spying,
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Not Syncedand you know, controlling what we say.
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Not SyncedAnd the thing is, both are true, right?
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Not SyncedThe internet has done both,
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Not Syncedand both are kind of amazing and astonishing
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Not Syncedand which one will win out in the long run is up to us.
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Not SyncedIt doesn't make sense to say, "Oh, one is doing better than the other." You know, they're both true.
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Not SyncedAnd it's up to us which ones we emphasize and which ones we take advantage of
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Not Syncedbecause they're both there, and they're both always going to be there.
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Not SyncedOn September 12, 2012, federal prosecutors filed a superseding indictment against Swartz,
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Not Syncedadding additional counts of wire fraud, unauthorized access to a computer, and computer fraud.
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Not SyncedNow, instead of four felony counts, Swartz was facing thirteen.
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Not SyncedThe prosecution's leverage had dramatically increased,
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Not Syncedas did Swartz's potential jail time and fines.
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Not SyncedThey filed a separate indictment to add more charges,
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Not Syncedand they had a theory about why this conduct constituted a number of federal crimes,
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Not Syncedand that a very significant sentence could attach to it under the law.
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Not SyncedThat theory, and much of the prosecutions case against Swartz
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Not Syncedinvolved a law created originally in 1986.
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Not SyncedIt is called the "Computer Fraud and Abuse Act".
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Not SyncedThe Computer Fraud and Abuse Act was inspired by the movie
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Not Synced"War Games" with Matthew Broderick--great movie.
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Not Synced[Broderick] I have you now.
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Not SyncedIn this movie, a kid gets the ability, through the magic of computer networks
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Not Syncedto, like, launch a nuclear attack.
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Not SyncedYou know, that's not actually possible, and it certainly wasn't possible in the '80s
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Not Syncedbut apparently this movie scared Congress enough to, um,
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Not Syncedpass the original Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
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Not SyncedThis is a law that's just behind the times, for example, it penalizes
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Not Synceda terms of service kind of arrangement. You can have something like
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Not SyncedeHarmony or Match.com and somebody sort of inflates, uh, their own personal characteristics
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Not SyncedWe all know what "Terms of Use" are.
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Not SyncedMost people don't read them, but not abiding by their terms could mean
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Not Syncedyou are committing a felony.
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Not SyncedThe website Terms of Service often say things like:
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Not Syncedbe nice to each other, or don't do anything that's improper.
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Not SyncedThe idea that the Criminal Law has anything to say about these kinds of violations,
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Not SyncedI think strikes most people as crazy.
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Not SyncedThe examples get even more "crazy":
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Not SyncedUntil it was changed in March of 2013, the Terms of Use on the website of Hearst's Seventeen magazine
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Not SyncedI would say that the way the CFAA has been interpreted by the Justice Department,
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Not Syncedwe are probably all breaking the law.
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Not SyncedVague and prone to misuse, the CFAA has become a one-size-fits-all hammer
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Not Syncedfor a wide range of computer-related disputes.
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Not SyncedThough not the only factor in his case,
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Not Syncedeleven of the thirteen charges against Swartz involved the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
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Not SyncedThe question "Why?" hangs over much of the story of Aaron Swartz.
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Not SyncedJust what was motivating the government, and what would their case have been?
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Not SyncedThe Department of Justice declined requests for answers,
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Not Syncedbut Professor Orin Kerr is a former prosecutor who has studied the case.
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Not SyncedSo, I think I come about this case from a different direction than other people on a number of reasons:
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Not SyncedI was a federal prosecutor at the Justice Department for three years.
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Not SyncedBefore I started teaching, the government came forward with
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Not Syncedan indictment based on what crimes they thought were committed,
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Not Syncedjust as a purely lawyer's matter, looking at the precedents, looking at the statute,
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Not Syncedlooking at the history, looking at the cases that are out there so far.
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Not SyncedUh, I think it was a fair indictment based on that.
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Not SyncedYou can debate whether they should have charged this case.
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Not SyncedThere's just a lot of disagreement. Some people are on the Open Access side, some people are not.
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Not SyncedI think the government took Swartz's "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto" very seriously,
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Not Synceduh, and I think they saw him as somebody who was committed as a moral imperative to
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Not Syncedbreaking the law, to overcome a law that Swartz saw as unjust,
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Not Syncedand in a democracy, if you think a law is unjust, there are ways of changing that law.
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Not SyncedThere's going to Congress as Swartz did so masterfully with SOPA,
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Not Synceduh, or you can violate that law in a way to try to nullify that law
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Not SyncedUh, and then the second problem is, I think, we're still trying to figure out:
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Not SyncedThis is a poor use of prosecutorial discretion.
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Not SyncedThe hammer that the Justice Department has to scare people with
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Not SyncedShould we tap somebody's phone? Should we film them?
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Not SyncedShould we turn somebody and get them to testify against these other people?
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Not SyncedThat's how federal agents and prosecutors think.
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Not SyncedThey build cases. They make cases.
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Not SyncedSwartz was caught in the gears of a brutal criminal justice system that could not turn back,
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Not Synceda machine that has made America the country with the highest rate of incarceration in the world.
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Not SyncedWe have, in this country, allowed ourselves to be captured by the politics of fear and anger,
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Not SyncedIt's very consistent with what we've seen in other areas.
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Not SyncedThe one difference is that the people who are usually targeted and victimized
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Not SyncedSwartz's isolation from friends and family increased.
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Not SyncedHe had basically stopped working on anything else,
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Not SyncedIt was weighing on him very heavily.
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Not SyncedHe did not like having his actions and his movements restricted in any way,
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Not SyncedI think that was a factor, like, "I have my normal life,
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Not Syncedbut they were just beginning to blur together and everything was becoming shitty."
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Not SyncedI don't think they would have convicted Aaron.
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Not SyncedI think we would have walked him out of that courthouse,
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Not SyncedHe wasn't a "joyful" person, but that's different from being depressed.
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Not SyncedI was, like, the whole world fell apart at that moment.
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- Title:
- The Internet's Own Boy: The Story of Aaron Swartz
- Description:
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The film follows the story of programming prodigy and information activist Aaron Swartz. From Swartz's help in the development of the basic internet protocol RSS to his co-founding of Reddit, his fingerprints are all over the internet. But it was Swartz's groundbreaking work in social justice and political organizing combined with his aggressive approach to information access that ensnared him in a two-year legal nightmare. It was a battle that ended with the taking of his own life at the age of 26. Aaron's story touched a nerve with people far beyond the online communities in which he was a celebrity. This film is a personal story about what we lose when we are tone deaf about technology and its relationship to our civil liberties.
Film by Brian Knappenberger - Luminant Media
http://www.takepart.com/internets-own-boy
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/26788492/aaron-swartz-documentary-the-internets-own-boy-0
Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License - Video Language:
- English
- Duration:
- 01:45:00
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cristi.magherusan
I think the English version is more or less complete now.
Let's review it and try to consistently apply the recommendations listed in the Guidelines box.
Bruno Treguier
Hi there,
I'm one of the French contributors to the French subtitles, and I noticed something that might be a (tiny) mistake in the English subtitles. Here are the present subtitles around 87:28:
87:28 - 87:31 I was a federal prosecutor at the Justice Department for three years.
87:31 - 87:34 Before I started teaching, the government came forward
87:34 - 87:38 with an indictment based on what crimes they thought were committed,
The guy's tone is a bit misleading, but there is a little silence after "teaching", sufficient for me to think that in fact, the first sentence stops there (and hence the 2nd begins), so IMHO he's in fact saying that:
1) he was a federal prosecutor for 3 years before he started teaching, and
2) the government came forward with an indictment based on what crimes they thought were committed, etc. etc.
So there should be a comma (or nothing) after "three years", and a full stop after "teaching".
Furthermore, with the present punctuation, the second sentence is a bit weird: why would it be important to state that the government came forward with Aaron's indictment before this guy started teaching ? Strange, isn't it ? ;-)
As one of the golden rules in subtitling is that only natives of a language should change the subtitles in that language, I leave it up to you to review my comments, and agree... or not. ;-)
Best regards,
Bruno
lauren3467
bruno.treguier Yeah, that makes much more sense. I think it's fixed now. Let me know if you find anything else.
Also, at 13:13 to 13:23, we had "LD documents" for the longest time, but I looked into it, and I'm pretty sure it should be "Eldred documents" so I changed it fairly recently. I'm not sure if it's been changed in the other languages, though.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/eldredvashcroft/legal.html
It's great that this important documentary has been translated into so many languages!
Thanks :)
Bruno Treguier
Hi lauren3467,
I'll sure let you know if I notice something else that should be changed.
Regarding "LD" vs "Eldred", yeah, it's very difficult to catch what Aaron and his interviewer are precisely saying at that moment but I think you're perfectly right ! The "Eldred v. Ashcroft" oral argument at the Supreme Court, which precisely is about copyright, took place at the end of 2002/beginning of 2003, which fits perfectly !
Best regards,
Bruno