Trust in research -- the ethics of knowledge production | Garry Gray | TEDxVictoria
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0:05 - 0:08(audience applause)
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0:10 - 0:12- Good morning.
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0:13 - 0:16For the past three
years, I was a researcher -
0:16 - 0:18at the Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics
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0:18 - 0:22at Harvard University, where
I examined corrupting influences -
0:22 - 0:26and hidden biases in the
pursuit of knowledge. -
0:26 - 0:27During this time, I
conducted in-depth interviews -
0:27 - 0:31with professors from
medicine, business, law, -
0:31 - 0:34the natural life sciences,
as well as the humanities -
0:34 - 0:36and social sciences.
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0:36 - 0:39My goal was to try to
understand the everyday life -
0:39 - 0:43of scientists and professors
across all the disciplines. -
0:43 - 0:46In the end, I ended up
with close to 10,000 pages -
0:46 - 0:48of interview transcripts.
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0:48 - 0:51Today I would like to share with you
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0:51 - 0:54some of the ethical dilemmas
that professors face. -
0:54 - 0:57In particular, whether they
experience an increased risk -
0:57 - 1:01of bias depending on who
is funding their research. -
1:02 - 1:05Now, why should we be
concerned about the ethics -
1:05 - 1:08of knowledge production?
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1:08 - 1:12When I first started university,
I had this idealistic, -
1:12 - 1:15and perhaps naive, view of science.
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1:15 - 1:18I believed that scientists
inquired about the world, -
1:18 - 1:20practiced the scientific
method with integrity, -
1:20 - 1:24and made new discoveries
that drive progress forward. -
1:24 - 1:27But close examination of how
scientist conduct research -
1:27 - 1:30reveals that what we can
know depends not only -
1:30 - 1:33on the scientist, but
also on the structures -
1:33 - 1:36and institutions that
give scientists the means -
1:36 - 1:38to pursue knowledge.
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1:38 - 1:40As I interviewed
scientists and professors, -
1:40 - 1:44I began to uncover patterns
of scientific distortion, -
1:44 - 1:48or what some might call "the
corruption of knowledge." -
1:48 - 1:50However, the majority of these distortions
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1:50 - 1:53were not produced by bad
people behaving unethically -
1:53 - 1:56or illegally, although this does happen.
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1:56 - 1:58But rather by good people, like the people
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1:58 - 2:02sitting beside you right now:
your friends and your family -
2:02 - 2:04who in response to the daily pressures
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2:04 - 2:06of work may simply begin to rationalize
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2:06 - 2:11to themselves little ethical
lapses here and there. -
2:11 - 2:16Now by ethical lapse, I mean
scientific integrity lapses -
2:16 - 2:18that appear to be very
small, or inconsequential, -
2:18 - 2:20at the time.
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2:20 - 2:23One of the most common examples of this
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2:23 - 2:25involves a scientist thinking,
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2:25 - 2:28Maybe I won't ask
Question A when pursuing -
2:28 - 2:31my research because my
funder who may be relying -
2:31 - 2:34on the results of this study
to obtain regulatory approval -
2:34 - 2:37for potential commercialization
may not be too happy -
2:37 - 2:40with the higher risk of a negative result
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2:40 - 2:42which might also affect
my future funding. -
2:42 - 2:44So maybe instead I'll self-censor myself
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2:44 - 2:46and ask a different question of the data
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2:46 - 2:49where the possible
outcome will most likely -
2:49 - 2:52not ruffle too many feathers
and I will then answer -
2:52 - 2:56that question honestly and
with scientific integrity. -
2:56 - 2:59Now these types of rationalizations,
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2:59 - 3:02these little compromises,
where we convince ourselves -
3:02 - 3:05in the moment that what
we're doing is okay, -
3:05 - 3:07help to neutralize any
guilt we might experience -
3:07 - 3:10in our ethical decision making.
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3:10 - 3:13However, over time the accumulation
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3:13 - 3:16of these little ethical lapses is leading
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3:16 - 3:18to a broader system of
knowledge production -
3:18 - 3:21that is becoming increasingly distorted
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3:21 - 3:23and more difficult to trust.
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3:25 - 3:28I want you to think about
that word for a moment: trust. -
3:28 - 3:32And how it plays a role
in your daily activities. -
3:32 - 3:35For instance, plastic water bottles.
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3:35 - 3:37They're so common that
when we pick one up, -
3:37 - 3:39we're probably not thinking anything
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3:39 - 3:41other than, "I'm thirsty."
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3:42 - 3:46We don't ask ourselves,
Hmm, does bisphenol-a, -
3:46 - 3:49or BPA, a common compound
used in hard plastic products, -
3:49 - 3:51lead to cancer, behavioral disorders,
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3:51 - 3:53or reproductive problems?
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3:53 - 3:54No, of course not.
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3:55 - 3:57We take a drink and we go on with our day.
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3:57 - 3:59We trust that drinking
from the water bottle -
3:59 - 4:03can't be bad, or at least
bad enough to worry about. -
4:03 - 4:06While on the one hand, you can feel safe
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4:06 - 4:08because every study
performed by scientists -
4:08 - 4:12funded by the industry
concludes, "No harm from BPA." -
4:13 - 4:17In other words: it's
okay, you can trust BPA. -
4:17 - 4:21But, at the same time,
93% of the non industry -
4:21 - 4:25funded studies show that there
might be cause for concern. -
4:25 - 4:29And that maybe we should
be a little less trusting -
4:29 - 4:33the next time we pick up a
hard plastic water bottle. -
4:33 - 4:36So who do you trust?
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4:36 - 4:39And how is it possible that
the industry funded scientists -
4:39 - 4:43studying BPA are so certain
that there is no harm? -
4:45 - 4:47Is it simply because
they're better scientists? -
4:47 - 4:49Have bigger data sets?
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4:49 - 4:51Know the compound better?
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4:51 - 4:54Maybe, perhaps, but we see this pattern
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4:54 - 4:57often called the funding effect,
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4:57 - 5:00across many different areas of research
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5:00 - 5:04from cell phone safety to
climate change to soft drinks. -
5:04 - 5:06In each case, scientists
funded by the industry, -
5:06 - 5:09or industry supported think
tanks, reached conclusions -
5:09 - 5:14that overall tend to deny
or downplay any harm. -
5:14 - 5:17While non industry funded
scientists overwhelmingly -
5:17 - 5:19find evidence of harm.
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5:19 - 5:22Among the professors I
interviewed in food and nutrition, -
5:22 - 5:26there was acknowledgement
of this funding effect bias. -
5:26 - 5:30When food scientists said,
"There is a tendency for people -
5:30 - 5:33in my discipline to develop sympathies
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5:33 - 5:35with the food industry and to say
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5:35 - 5:38'Yeah this is definitely
safe.' Rather than to say, -
5:38 - 5:40"Okay, here's this research study,
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5:40 - 5:43and this research study, and this research study.'"
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5:43 - 5:46When I interviewed another
professor, who was also -
5:46 - 5:49an editor of a scientific
journal in nutrition, -
5:49 - 5:54he said the following to me,
"So we get some manuscripts -
5:54 - 5:56that are industry
sponsored and one senses -
5:56 - 5:59that their story is a little
slanted towards the benefit -
5:59 - 6:00of whatever it might be.
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6:00 - 6:02Their product did this, never mind that
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6:02 - 6:05it didn't do 10 other things.
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6:05 - 6:07The most frequent scenario
is not that the study -
6:07 - 6:11is done poorly, but that
the questions themselves -
6:11 - 6:13are kind of selective."
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6:15 - 6:18Now if a funding effect bias does exist,
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6:19 - 6:22then surely the regulatory
bodies who look out -
6:22 - 6:25for our safety must be aware of it, right?
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6:25 - 6:29For instance, what about
our prescription drugs? -
6:29 - 6:31Pharmaceutical companies must first obtain
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6:31 - 6:34regulatory approval for
their products, right? -
6:34 - 6:38Yes, however, many of the drug evaluation
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6:38 - 6:40and research advisory committee members
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6:40 - 6:41who vote on whether a
drug should be granted -
6:41 - 6:44regulatory approval also
have financial conflicts -
6:44 - 6:48of interest with these
same drug companies. -
6:48 - 6:53These voting members
often serve as consultants -
6:53 - 6:55and have ownership interest
in the same drug companies -
6:55 - 6:57seeking approval.
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6:58 - 7:00They also sit on their advisory boards
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7:00 - 7:03and even receive funding from these firms
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7:03 - 7:05for their own individual research.
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7:07 - 7:09In other words, they might be experts,
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7:09 - 7:12but they are not independent experts.
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7:13 - 7:17As you know, in 2008 the world suffered
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7:17 - 7:19a major financial crisis.
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7:20 - 7:23The Oscar-winning documentary, Inside Job,
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7:23 - 7:25suggested that economics
professors were being corrupted -
7:25 - 7:29and blinded through their
consulting relationships -
7:29 - 7:32and conflicts of interest
with the financial sector. -
7:32 - 7:36It was so serious that even
an upset Queen of England -
7:36 - 7:39(audience laughs)
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7:39 - 7:42visited the LSC, the
prestigious London School -
7:42 - 7:45of Economics, and sternly asked her top
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7:45 - 7:49economics professors, "If the
problem was so widespread, -
7:49 - 7:53"then why didn't anyone notice it?"
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7:53 - 7:56The Director of LSC's
Management Department, -
7:56 - 7:58who was standing beside
the Queen at the time, -
7:58 - 8:01said to her, "At every
stage, someone was relying -
8:01 - 8:03on somebody else and everyone thought
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8:03 - 8:06they were doing the right thing."
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8:07 - 8:10In my interviews with business
and economics professors, -
8:10 - 8:12it was observed, as it was with professors
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8:12 - 8:15across all the disciplines,
that a lack of independence -
8:15 - 8:19can distort the production of knowledge.
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8:19 - 8:21One economics professor, who researches
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8:21 - 8:25private equity finance,
told me during an interview, -
8:25 - 8:27"The only way to get the data is to get
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8:27 - 8:30"the private equity
firms to give it to you. -
8:30 - 8:33"If you then say these people
don't know what they're doing, -
8:33 - 8:36or they only make returns
by taking excessive risks, -
8:36 - 8:39then there is the potential
you simply will not -
8:39 - 8:41get data going forward
and you will be forced -
8:41 - 8:43to leave the field of economics.
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8:43 - 8:46So you have to worry that
the research that comes out -
8:46 - 8:48is more favorable to the
private equity industry -
8:48 - 8:51than otherwise it would be."
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8:53 - 8:56Now despite all these cautionary examples
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8:56 - 8:58of corrupting influences
and hidden biases, -
8:58 - 9:00some of you out there, I'm certain,
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9:00 - 9:03are still thinking to
yourself, "Okay, Gary, -
9:03 - 9:06I hear what you're saying,
but I would never distort -
9:06 - 9:09my work, and no conflict
of interest would change -
9:09 - 9:11how I pursue my research."
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9:12 - 9:15Fair enough, many of us do believe
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9:15 - 9:18that we can manage any
conflict of interest -
9:18 - 9:22and still maintain our
own personal integrity. -
9:22 - 9:25However, we should never
forget that the power -
9:25 - 9:27to rationalize our own
little ethical lapses -
9:27 - 9:28is remarkable.
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9:29 - 9:32Consider this everyday example.
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9:32 - 9:34Statistics demonstrate
that there are disturbingly -
9:34 - 9:37high rates of accidents and deaths
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9:37 - 9:40due to cell phone related
distracted driving. -
9:40 - 9:43Yet, despite knowing this,
many of us will continue -
9:43 - 9:45to use cell phones when we drive,
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9:45 - 9:47even after we leave here today.
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9:47 - 9:49Studies show that more
than half of us believe -
9:49 - 9:51that when we use cell phones and drive,
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9:51 - 9:53it makes no real difference on our own
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9:53 - 9:56individual driving performance.
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9:56 - 10:00Yet, when we switch from being
the driver to the passenger, -
10:00 - 10:0390% of us now will suddenly
state, " I would feel -
10:03 - 10:07very unsafe if I observed my
driver using a cell phone." -
10:10 - 10:14So saying you have integrity is easy.
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10:14 - 10:17Practicing integrity is not easy.
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10:17 - 10:20And recognizing our own
little ethical lapses -
10:20 - 10:23and rationalizations
is even more difficult. -
10:23 - 10:25So what does this all mean in the context
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10:25 - 10:28of knowledge production?
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10:28 - 10:31First, we should be aware
that funders increasingly want -
10:31 - 10:35more influence over what
questions scientists can ask, -
10:35 - 10:37what findings they can
share, and ultimately -
10:37 - 10:40what kind of knowledge is produced.
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10:41 - 10:44So ask yourself, "What
are the strings attached -
10:44 - 10:46"when we accept funding?"
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10:46 - 10:49Are the strings visible,
where the scientist is told -
10:49 - 10:52that she cannot publish her
work until given approval -
10:52 - 10:54to do so by the funder?
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10:54 - 10:56Or does the funder require that the data
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10:56 - 10:59remain confidential so that
the research conclusions -
10:59 - 11:03can never be verified within
the scientific community? -
11:03 - 11:06Or are the strings invisible?
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11:07 - 11:10Increasingly, scientists and
professors are self-censoring -
11:10 - 11:12their work in order to appeal to funders.
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11:12 - 11:16And in so doing are
sidestepping important questions -
11:16 - 11:18that may be critical to the public good
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11:18 - 11:19and society as a whole.
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11:21 - 11:23My interviews make clear
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11:23 - 11:26that the funding effect bias is real.
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11:29 - 11:32And, if left unchecked, will
continue to have a real impact -
11:32 - 11:35on what we can know.
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11:35 - 11:39So next time you pick up a
book or a research article, -
11:39 - 11:42check to see who is
funding the author's work. -
11:42 - 11:46And pay close attention to
the author's affiliations. -
11:46 - 11:50In order to be informed
in this information age, -
11:50 - 11:52we need to take extra
measures to vet the legitimacy -
11:52 - 11:56of the content that we rely
on, to develop a critical eye -
11:56 - 12:00for independence, and to
value scientific integrity -
12:00 - 12:01above anything else.
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12:03 - 12:07Information and knowledge require science,
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12:07 - 12:09unfettered and unbiased.
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12:09 - 12:12And it's time we all take
measures to demand it. -
12:12 - 12:13Thank you.
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12:13 - 12:16(audience applause)
- Title:
- Trust in research -- the ethics of knowledge production | Garry Gray | TEDxVictoria
- Description:
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This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. We all take knowledge for granted every day: we assume that those who studied the health effects of using everyday products did their research accurately and without bias.
But did they?
What if the researchers we trust to keep us safe are having their work influenced by hidden biases?Garry Gray is a University of Victoria Sociology professor and a Network Fellow at the Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics at Harvard University.
http://www.uvic.ca/socialsciences/sociology/people/faculty/graygarry.php
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