4-27-20 City Council

no I'd like to know what rules are gonna

be in play for the farmers market what

have we decided to do and what have they

decided to do we're in discussion with

them Joe

nothing has been finalized everybody I

think recognizes the importance and of

the health and well-being of our

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citizenry heater and that you know this

is not going to be like it generally is

a social event

we expect social distancing I think we

want to make sure that the vendors that

are there that are going to be fruits

vegetables and and food off-site we'd

like as many people the vendors to work

past I believe I think that we gotta

have limited access iterate we got a

wide variety of things that I think that

that should be part of our discussion

and I would invite the rest of you to

add a couple of years Ott's on how we

best protect their health well-being in

the citizens and the vendors and make

this not ten into right back into the

Mardi Gras kind of an event so let's all

see what we can do here okay so are we

are we just a clarification mr. mayor I

appreciate those comments very very very

much I would agree with you 100% just a

clarification are we passing our own

guidelines for the farmers market or are

we going to work with with them and and

with the governor's on what do we I mean

are we gonna pass our own rules for des

moines I I believe that that we sort of

have to this is in our public

rights-of-way and in our streets and I

think not only do we have to be

satisfied as a City Council about what

those rules ought to look like because

we're in charge of protecting the health

and well-being

III want to you know thank the governor

for acknowledging the importance of of

providing you know fresh produce to our

citizens and

it amines and probably from some of the

purveyors that they've shopped with for

years but at the same time even our

Police Department has a say so here

because if they don't feel that the

health and well-being is being protected

they've got a huge say in whether or not

this thing goes on - because we permit

them to operate and there has been no

permit issued yet okay yeah just let's

let's move on quickly to the we've got a

special municipal housing agency

governing board meeting okay if it's all

right with you let's call that to order

and I will ask you to take the role of

our of our board members please County

here bozon your boss yes gray your

Westergaard here Mandelbaum here Gatto

here Your Honor we have a quorum all

right second item is improving the

agenda as presented and or as amended

could we have a motion for that I'll

move this is Connie I'm done thanks

funny all in favor say aye

are there any negatives or against the

motion any abstentions

hearing none sounds to me like it passed

okay thank you

item 3 is a hearing item this is a

hearing and an adoption of amended

municipal housing agency annual budget

for the fiscal year ended June 30 of

2020 Scott are you on the line yes I am

Mary is there anything that we should

know here regarding this amendment so

these are conversations we had actually

back a few months nothing drastic on the

housing budgets this one input

Killer is simply amending the current

year and the next item will be for

implementing the next fiscal year

starting July 1

I do have Chris Johansen on the line as

well if there are questions about ok

let's open it up does anybody have any

questions regarding our municipal

housing agency annual budget hearing

none could we get a motion for item 3

the 2020 amended municipal housing in

Zambia item 3 all right thank you

who's been moved yeah Scott did you have

something no I was just making sure the

public had an opportunity I think the

mayor was catching it thought that who

had is there anybody in the public that

has any I see none okay none all right

the motion is there could you pull the

council please County yes Bosen yes boss

yes great yes Westergaard yes Mandelbaum

yes gato yes your honor that 7:00 yes

motion carries

item number 4 is a hearing in the

adoption as that manager pointed out of

the proposed municipal housing agency

annual budget for the fiscal year ending

June 30 of 2021

let's open it up and see if there's any

comments that manager made a quick one

we have discussed this in the past and

these are generally speaking

aren't they scott federal funds that

we're talking about here yes so this

would be our second date and our housing

the city dollars right I do any

questions okay I do have Chris unmuted

if you have any questions have hammer

all right Chris thank you for being here

do you see anybody that's got their hand

up that wants to say anything for Frank

right item four has been moved by

councilmember bows in seeing no one else

that would like to speak I would like

you to please pull the council place

County yes Bosen yes boss

yes gray yes Westergaard yes mandelbaum

yeah

Gatto yes your honor that's seven yes

motion carries all right

item five is approval of the

certification of the US Department of

Housing and Urban Development of the

amended operating budget for all

projects for fiscal year ending June 30

2020 and of the proposed operating

budget for all projects for the fiscal

year ending June 30 and 2021 Chris

Johansen and he come ends here

fires over you're sick hey there Chris

yep I'm here okay this is a annual item

that we are required to submit each year

just with the mayor signature just

showing that budgets that you just

approved are certified thank you Chris

anybody have any comment if not we

probably need a motion on this one go

ahead Connie I'll move approval of item

five and five is bit moved madam clerk

would you please poll our governing

board Connie

whoops yeah County I meant to say that's

fine

Bosen yes boss yes gray yes Westergaard

yes ma'am a bomb yes Gatto

yes County yes okay thank you

seven yes motion carries all right if

someone would give us a motion to

adjourn that would complete the full

agenda for the Miss full housing agent C

governing board no it's been moved all

in favor say aye aye aye in the

opposition hearing none this meeting is

adjourned

we will reconvene in about well we might

as well just move right into it okay

it's 429 and by the time we do

everything I've just got to quickly

adjust my screen here to get back to the

right agenda there if I could ask a

question yes please

I'm assuming that the zoom meeting

invitation

is the same for both the housing and the

council but I wanted to make sure what

the clerk but it goes yes yes they

aren't you okay thank you

all right so let's go ahead and open up

our special city council meeting for

April 27th let's note that it's 4:30

we've got a fairly short agenda but an

important one let's call the meeting to

order and I will ask the clerk to please

take role of the council County here

posing ear boss here gray ear

Westergaard here mandelbaum here Gatto

here your honor that's a quorum

all right item 2 is approving the agenda

as presented and or as amended

I'm his approval items been moved let's

hopefully council on this one

madam clerk bo's'n yes boss yes gray yes

Westergaard yes mandelbaum yep got oh

yes County yes seven yes motion carries

all right item three is to receive and

file communication from the Beaverdale

Smid board regarding the levy for the

Beaverdale self supported municipal

Improvement District Schmitt Scott do

you want to give us a quick overview of

that yeah sir mayor the so we have

several of this meds all of this minutes

as part of our budget approvals that are

necessary and so each one of them

carries their own finances Beaverdale

just the first that of all the the

grouping

were able to answer questions again

these were talked about couple months

ago with each of the Smiths individually

anybody's lessons Linda I have a

question Jeff oh yeah go ahead

what why are half of these receive and

file and half of them are actual budget

resolutions and is that just a process

piece like what what's the difference

actually I might defer to legal on oh

thanks a lot Scott that's a great

question my understanding is that some

of the agreements are strictly

recommendations and it depends on how

the schmid was set up and some of the

Schmid boards or maybe the downtown

board oh I didn't authority under the

the agreement

Larry can give us a really nice detailed

response on that and I'll sure have him

send that out to you Josh okay if I

could add to that the Scott you're

exactly right so the the two that our

budget would be the downtown and the

ingersoll that do have some some of

their own autonomy to make those

decisions so we asked them to submit

their budgets to us whereas the others

flow through the city funding and so we

have accounting handling those

expenditures so that that is a

difference between those groupings yeah

in southwest ninth is in the grouping

that has the budget to correct any yes

Ingersoll in downtown that's three yeah

I was thinking that originally Sherman

Hill did too because they budgeted

or some specific things including

different streetlights and some other

things for their neighborhood that I

think they've budgeted specifically for

but I'm not positive whether that still

holds true it does matter

it's just that we actually write the

check to make sure those services are

provided through the city where it's

these other entities would actually be

making the payments themselves and

okey-doke good all right Westergaard had

her hand raised I'd like to ask

something

go ahead Westergaard okay okay my

question is in the past when we have

approved these Schmitz we've always been

given a booklet that would outline the

schmid areas and what the what the money

was being spent on are we going to get

something like that I I didn't see any

nothing was attached to the agenda and

I'd like to know that in and this is

maybe for an offline conversation but I

know in Highland Park you know I was

told three years ago that it went down

in front of park fair and we had some

garbage cans there and nobody was

picking them up and then it was we would

we I was told the Schmidt was paying for

it and now those have all been the

garbage cans have been removed because

the Schmidt apparently doesn't go down

that far I'd really like to know what

areas the Schmidt is involved in I know

we have a certain number of businesses

but are we having discussions about

about expanding those areas or bringing

other businesses in can anybody answer

that so actually mayor I'm going to ask

that Nick respond to the pamphlet and

the Schmidt information

we produced in the past about the timing

of when that would be available and then

we can move on Linda okay hi Linda

this is joy yeah this we actually handed

out those pamphlets when we did the

workshop on this min you would have

received that I think December November

December I'd have to look back at the

specific day the workshop if you need

another copy just let me know and I'll

make sure you get a copy back back to

you if you no longer have that in the

discussion at that meeting is where we

basically had gone through within that

pamphlet it does kind of give those maps

and have that discussion of what those

are and everything like that yep

okay I'll go back it would be on the

workshop it would be as an attachment

I'm assuming that we could still pull

that off I'll look into that if if not I

can make sure kay has the electronic

copy to put up okay and I'm just just

concerned with the Highland Park one

sure yeah and I do have those attached

to the workshops as well if you look

back okay I'll get it from there sorry

that we had that it it has been a while

Connie with all those workshops starting

in November through January so if if for

some reason you guys need another copy

just let Finance know and we'll make

sure that we provide you with another

copy okay great thank you bear if

there's a not any further discussion I'd

be happy to move item three and I'm

assuming we're going to receive and file

communication instead of budget so I'm

gonna move item three the rights bin

item trees been moved to receive and

file clerk I'd like you to pull the

council please great

yes Westergaard yes Mandelbaum

yeah God oh yes County yes bozon yes

boss yes your honor that seven yes

motion carries all right

takes us down to item four a similar

discussion this one around Highland Park

receiving pilot communication from the

Highland Park's med board regarding the

levy for the Highland Park self

supported municipal Improvement District

Smith let's open it up and see if

anybody has anything on this one none I

would move to receive and file item for

this is Westergaard all right it's been

moved okay I don't see anybody with a

hand up I don't either your honor

alright item four has been moved hey

would you pull the council blaze County

yes

supposin yes boss yes gray yes

Westergaard yes man Lebon yeah dad oh

yes your honor that seven yes motion

carries all right item fives to receive

and file communication from the roads

about cultural districts mid board

regarding the levy for the Roosevelt

cultural district self supported

municipal Improvement Districts mid

let's go ahead and open it up is there

anyone to speak to that one king then

mayor but I will move item five item

five has been moved any hands up okay I

don't see any no I just went down

through I didn't see anybody I'll check

one more time no your honor there are

none all right ask you to pull the

council please Mandelbaum yeah god oh

yes County yes supposin yes boss

yes gray yes

Westergaard yes your honor that 70s

motion carries

ride takes us to item 6 which is a

budget for the ingersoll grand self

supported municipal Improvement

Districts mid for the fiscal year ending

June 30 of 2021 let's open it up and see

if anybody has seen to say about that

Smith again ingress all grant see no one

mr. mayor I'll move item 6 all right

thank you

item 6 has been moved third all the

council blaze mandelbaum yeah dad oh yes

County yes Posen yes boss

yes gray yes Westergaard yes your honor

that 70s motion carries thank you item 7

is in the budget for the downtown self

supported municipal Improvement

Districts med for the year fiscal year

ending June 30 of 2021 let's open it up

and see if there's anybody that has any

comment about the downtown municipal

improvement district mr. mayor if

there's no comments I'll move item 7 all

right

item 7 has been moved all the council

please dad oh yes County yes

supposin yes boss yes gray yes

Westergaard yes Mandelbaum yeah

your honor that 7 yes motion carries

thank you item 8 is the budget for the

Southwest 9th corridor self supported

municipal Improvement Districts mid for

the fiscal year ending June 30 of 2021

let's open it up and see if there's any

comments on

that the Southwest 9th quarter I see no

mr. mayor move item 8 all right item 8

has been moved

tinnie hands up okay no I do not your

honor

all right pull the council blade dad oh

yes County yes Bosen yes boss

yes gray yes Westergaard yes mandelbaum

yeah your honor that's seven yes motion

carries all right nine is a submit all

of the Center Street Park & Ride

facility annual budget to the Des Moines

area Regional Transit Authority dart and

authorization of budget expenditures

we'll open it up see if there's any come

in on that and Scott do you have any

come in on this here this is simply a

requirement that we need to do each year

through the FDA approvals that we've had

in the past so that doors were our

budget as well in the MTA all right

thank you and seeing no one to comment

on this I'll move item mind item nine

has been moved

seeing no hands up either let's go ahead

and pull the council please mandelbaum

yeah Gatto yes County yes bozan yes boss

yes gray yes Westergaard yes your honor

that's seven yes motion carries

all right item 10 is a transit related

grants from excess center Street Park &

Ride facility revenues to Des Moines

area regional transit authority darts

mayor if I could as the sky yep this is

just a reminder to council especially

our newer councilmembers that part of

our agreement with the FTA who helped

fund the construction of our Park and

Ride facility we received several

million dollars of federal funding for

that project we agreed that we would

only hold 2.5 million dollars in excess

funds from this budget item and in this

accounting area if you will so at the

end of fiscal year 2019 we had more than

2.5 million and so we need to transfer

the excess which is about 250 thousand

dollars you'll see in this item too dark

for transit type purposes we we did this

two years ago and asked that the funds

be spent on shelters and so we are

recommending that we do the same with

this 250 thousand dollars so that's what

this side of it is it is something that

we need to do each year for which we're

in excess of that 2.5 million dollars

Scott question and thank you for that

explanation I know we did do it a couple

years ago I think that's a good way of

maybe even if we can't get shelters

everywhere we can at least get benches

or garbage cans on some of the top stops

that we have in some of the areas that

don't have a shelter that is allowable

expenses and included as part of the

authorization here and there may be

other ideas that the council have for

spending these funds okay

does the does the dartboard decide how

it's spent or is that a decision of the

council so we can tie stipulations to

these funds or spend them ourselves on

transit so as long as we get the

confirmation from Dart

that they agree with what we're

recommending I would I would say we

continue to give them the funds if there

is a conflict on how dart is spending

those funds we could take that in-house

at the city and spend those instead as

long as their transit related I mean I

appreciate that but I know that I've had

a big push on the on you know on in Ward

4 specifically that it needs garbage

cans and benches not just shelters but

an immediate need that we need is

garbage cans and benches and the biggest

issue that we have is is the maintenance

of them I don't think it's purchasing

them but it's the maintenance of it so

if we can come up with some type of

solution that could help some of the

constituents at least in Ward 4 that

have really been asking for this that

would that would that would be good I'd

like to see some recommendations of that

so I agree with you two I've been

beating the drum for a long time up here

in Ward 1 for some areas that we need

inches so if nobody checks I'd like to

move item 10 with the expectation that

these funds will go over to dart for the

business of building shelters bus

benches garbage cans and the like so

that our residents have something that

can they can see that's coming out of a

fund we're transferring over to dart

bill if I if this is Westar Garden I

want to echo what you're both saying but

I know four years ago we had a

discussion and we were given a map of

where bus benches were and I haven't

seen any any results of that and I know

four years ago I said hey we need we

need benches we need some shelters and

and I was told oh we're gonna get some

shelters but I never hear anything about

it and I drive down the street and I

don't see any garbage cans I don't see

anything so I I guess I

would like for the for us to have a

little more control about where this

money spend and how it's that's that's a

good point Landon Scott when we give

this money over to dart does dart report

back to us with what they did with any

of that money upon request

yes yeah but I think you all are aware

that they have a comprehensive shelter

project maybe councilman man mom or the

mayor can speak to that but it is not

progressed at the speed I think any of

us had had hoped when the funding was

sent to them arena I would agree

yeah and the shelters are not I in a two

hundred and forty thousand dollars whoa

well I believe get about ten shelters

between construction costs and the

materials and the other issue which I

think we're maybe at the end the the

tail end of and can can revisit but the

city had a bench contract with with a

vendor that limited what dart could do

from a bench perspective I so it might

be worthwhile to just I have an update

on these two items I know dart has their

plan and we can talk about where

shelters are available

we've talked a couple of times about the

art shelters as a matching program and I

think we with with these dollars we

could probably take advantage of that

program as well and so think about how

this links with with our corridors and

and an art piece but I think it maybe

make sense to just have a and maybe an

update from Dart

in terms of the next shelters that are

up in priority so folks have a sense of

where where things are going in the

order well this is Westergaard I guess I

would prefer not to vote to just turn

this money over to Dart

until we have some real conversations

about where they're gonna be because

these conversations have been going on

for several years and I Drive up and

down Hubbell and it's pouring down rain

and there's there are no benches there

standing in four foot tall grass I guess

I'm just not real excited about about

turning over the funds and letting

somebody else administer them until we

have a plan that we know exactly where

they're going to be mayor if I could

yes please this rose out of a dispute

with the federal government over the

funds and at one point they had routed

the parking dredge right on the yes sir

and at one point they had threatened to

take all the money away from the council

when we reached an agreement where we

would provide those funds

Scott indicated for transit related

purposes or use them ourselves for

transfer related purposes and those are

and that agreement is a time-based

agreement we're supposed to provide

those funds and we've done it as part of

the budget to address councilmember

westergaard's concerns I would suggest

that council approve the item you

transfer the funds but with a more

definitive and delineated request from

dart as to the accounting for those

funds back to council council can see

being spent but this is not really a

matter of councils I mean it's a problem

in terms of that settlement agreement to

decide to reprogram those amounts for

this year right now as opposed to and if

you want to give staff direction to look

at something else for next year

I think that's feasible but I think it's

a problem to decide at this late point

in time that we're not going to approve

a

the grant stop

this is Westergaard i think i think bill

has a motion on the table bill would you

be willing to amend that say ok we'll

give them the funds but we want to know

where the money's going and how it's

being split up among the forwards

I absolutely would be happy to put that

in the resolution I do I do agree with

Jeff and Josh we've got an opportunity

here to get this done that I know I've

got and I probably you have some spots

to Linda where we're producing the

neighborhood sidewalk program and they

are running right along bus stops I've

got one over here on urban Dale just to

east of Beaver and we're gonna put a

sidewalk in we are gonna put a pad

that's gonna benefit or because we're

gonna reduce the cost

like Josh says of twenty five thousand

pretty significantly and we put the

position of that that's going to help so

I think we need to get this move going

forward but again with the expectation

these sometimes we'll go to the

shelter's benches and garbage disposal

and take into consideration land is

concerned that we get some sort of rate

reports back with the funds have been

spent on well in it in a schedule of

what they're doing and when they're

doing it so that we get a little clearer

understanding what's going on as we move

this forward I understand your motion

and I think it sounds like you're good

with it patiently councilmember boss and

just recently bows in and they've had

their hands up councilmember Voss yeah

thank you so is it still a good idea to

raise our hands or just to jump in

you've heard that you raise your hands

if you can oh thank you that's great so

from a South Side neighborhood coalition

meeting I attended it at Southridge a

few weeks well it was only a few weeks

ago it seems like ancient and Joe I

think maybe you

get to that meeting just a tad late but

from Louise at dart to insights on this

conversation

one is that Dart I believe considers

that dart funds shelters the city funds

benches and so we probably need to

clarify that because I think that's part

of what we were discussing also I asked

what the threshold was for determining

if I stopped warranted having a shelter

and we said 15 inbound rides is in a day

is is there threshold so it sounds like

in some Ward's you're talking about

locations that might warrant a bench but

at least dark considers that's on the

city's dime okay can't remember posing I

just won't bring that polling because I

I do know we need more shelters than we

need more benches and things to make it

easier for the people to ride but I

think in the timing the Jeff brought up

two is that we don't know what darts

gonna need for this upcoming year I mean

they're impacted just as everybody else

will be so I don't know if I would ever

get to be so specific with them right

now I think going for I think they need

report back I think that's great but I

think there's gonna be such a need for

them just to be able to maintain service

so that would be my one concern to get

into directed at this time Scott can

those dollars be directed for instance

and I would ask councilmember Manahan

to operations because they're not

they're not taking any funds for rides

at the moment I mean you can get on

there and ride the tank and so there's

no fair yeah

yes so I I can weigh in is and in the

initial federal stimulus package there

there were funds allocated to transit

authorities by by a formula and so dart

dart is or will be a recipient of those

funds that will help cover some of their

operational losses so while I think it's

well taken we don't need to be overly

prescriptive here I do think we we can

ask as a follow-up to just check-in on

on the status of shelter and bench

locations and and we can just make sure

that everyone on council has a little

bit more information in that regard so

that when we have this conversation

again we all have better information and

in terms of what to expect and what's

been done in the not-too-distant past

good nut council member but I see a JD

Lester has his hand up thank you your

honor

just a couple of items to clarify so we

want to if you want to put it in in the

motion but the roll call clarifies that

it can be used mayor to answer your

questions it can be used for operations

as well as for capital purposes but

council directs in attachment a to the

roll call that it will be used for bus

stop improvements on capital

improvements for bus stops which should

include bus shelters benches garbage

garbage cans and accessibility

improvements so if you want to direct it

to go to operations you would need to

modify the roll call an attachment a

okay

mr. gato mr. mayor

maybe and I appreciate Josh maybe you

can help but you know as you go out into

the suburbs

maybe we can maybe we can see why we

have so much nice benches and garbage

cans and things like that along Jordan

Creek Parkway it along a street and some

of our other our crises they all have

nice benches they all have nice garbage

cans and how they're able to maintain

those and put those in maybe we can work

with work with us and figure out how we

make that happen on in our city that

would be great okay so is there a

recommended motion here now mr. JD

Lester it's well I guess it we've got

Bill's motion out there but if there

needs to be an amendment if you would

direct us in a way that you feel that it

is appropriate in legal if you if

counsel is willing to delegate that

authority of the manager to make a

determination as to whether or not

operations might be included depending

on koban funding for dart I think that

could could be reflected in the motion

to expand the approves uses the money to

include operations depending on Kobe

wood funding as determined by the

manager with the report back to Council

bill does that sound like some of the

work for you well to a degree I think I

can make that work I'm curious though if

we're gonna help fund the operations

from the Des Moines site whether our

suburban neighbors going to do is there

going to be any money come to it that

they're gonna get I can't I doubt it

they there probably won't be but I guess

what I would encourage council to

remember is that the source of the funds

to build it's not in the entire garage

but a large portion of the garage came

from the federal

government and the this is an excess of

programmable funds they've also allowed

the city to keep its two and a half

million dollar reserve for capital work

that needs to be done on the garage so

they while the suburbs probably are not

going to participate and are not going

to provide additional funding this is

programmable funding from the FTA that

they've required to be used for transit

purposes most like that this is a choice

to use it for something else it's it's

whether or not the city does the transit

purpose expenditure or or dart does it's

really the question but it it's a very

narrow revenue and very narrow narrow

expenditure quite willing to go with it

but I agree with what Liz says I'd like

to see a report back and if we see

closely that money went to operations

I'm gonna be sorely disappointed

this is Westar Garden and I guess I want

the money to go for benches and you know

benches around the city dime then we're

the ones that should be spending the

money on the benches bill can you put a

motion on the table that we can get a

vote on all right I'm gonna follow

Jeff's lead and I'll have him repeat it

but my is to move item ten with the

expectation that these funds will be

going towards shelters benches garbage

cans and the like that we we want our

citizens to ride safely in the City of

Des Moines and if a report we want to

report back on what the expenditures

were spent on and Jeff what was your

final position it's whether or not bill

whether or not you want to use any

portion or allow the manager to

determine to use any portion of the 240

whatever thousand dollars for operations

that is permissible that counsel

certainly doesn't have to walk

with letting the city manager determine

that portion of the resolution so that's

that clear now

mayor yep - Josh you had your hand up do

you still want to say anything I know I

was just gonna say I think I think the

issue will sort itself out when when the

manager looks into it and checks in I I

think the trove in funding in the

stimulus will will allow dart operations

to get to a place where they're whole

and we can use these dollars for the

stop improvements that we all want to

say I agree Josh

good all right let's call the question

and I'll ask the clerk to pull the

council please County yes

thousand yes yes great yes Westergaard

yes Mandelbaum yep Gatto

yes your honor that's seven yes motion

carries okay good let's note that it's

506 we're gonna have to move straight to

the hearings

we'll come back to item 11 shortly

thereafter the first item on the

hearings item 14 is on the consideration

of the recommended capital improvement

program plan CIP for the fiscal years

2021 through well 2020 through 2021

through 2025 dad 2026 so council

communication number 20 - 186 let's open

the hearing on that and see if there's

anyone who would like to make comment on

that out in the general public or the

counselor I'll move item 14 your honor

unless there's the public from the

council or from the public

bright the item has been moved it looks

like there's a comment here by

councilmember boss and then one from

that public customer woz yes

I've expressed to the to the council

members that I I have some heartburn

with a proposed reconstruction of 2nd

Avenue and and I believe under this

upcoming fiscal year that they largely

the dollars would be spent to to begin

acquiring property I'd ask that we move

this project back one fiscal year I it's

a lengthy emails that I've sent out some

of my questions answer but not all of my

questions I think there are some safety

issues programming a four lane undivided

Road in conflict with what we have

approved in move dsm second Avenue

corridor is among the most dangerous

four lane streets in Des Moines and I

don't believe we're doing enough to

improve this I I've asked to take a look

at this to see if a a road diet with

three lanes would be workable given some

of the projected numbers I think when we

we build streets that we should be

thinking the Des Moines residents and

who are using the streets I'm trouble

with spending 12 million dollars on this

project that I believe it could be done

with three lanes and again asked

nice to dial this back and take another

look at this project I think there are

economic development and environmental

justice issues for for the neighborhoods

I think this is is going to hinder

safety and neighborhood economic

developments we're taking four

properties I've asked for a 25 year

study on what that the loss of property

taxes would be for those properties

there's also several other properties

that would be severely impacted by the

loss of proper parking in front of their

buildings the Fox auto body which is the

nearest property to the Des Moines River

on the west side of the road losing five

parking places there is essentially

going to put them out of business so

let's take another look at this project

and it spent some more time to see if a

three lane road would work on second

avenue bill if you'll allow me to say

something I'm sure you might want to

appreciate Carl your concern I've had

similar concerns for probably 15 or 20

years however there's a group of folks

between University and the river that

are on the east side of the road that

have substantial movement of very large

trucks with merchandise ingress and

egress in and out of there who through

the years have been very concerned

especially in that specific section with

having less lineage and the congestion

in obstacles to delivery that

might occur the bill has been attending

those meetings much more regularly in

the recent past then I but I've got to

tell you we've had long discussions with

a a very large contingent of business

owners to the east of the road

I also am concerned about the people on

the west as as are you

it sounds like Carl but we need to

analyze what the the needs are for the

full section and I think that's what

we've been struggling through for the

last decade plus bill do you want to say

something real quick well if you want me

to say real quick or I can tell you what

I really think but here's what I'm going

to tell councillor Voss this has been a

project of mine we've been working on

for well into three years we have

already pushed it back one year I have

sat through all of these meetings we've

met with all the business owners on 2nd

Avenue in central place and they are all

in agreement we have come to many

discussions on where we want to go what

compromises we needed to do and we have

a pretty good idea how this thing is

going to work we were gonna go with a

five lane approach a three lane approach

is laughable it will never will never do

anything and I don't know why you put

something in your email that congestion

is good I'm challenged think would you

want to go tell the parents of a child

that was injured and trying to get to

Mercy or Methodist Hospital that they

died because there was congestion on 2nd

Avenue that's me doesn't make any sense

we need to get this thing going that is

a light blood of a lot of businesses in

the area like I said if you really

wanted to do something on this or where

were you on the Traffic Safety Committee

where were you when you're discussing

the north-south roads coming through des

moines we had you were right there and

he didn't say anything so to come in on

the 11th hour doesn't

any sense at all like I said we've we've

even wanted we've had engineering the

city majors walked it with us we've gone

through repointed everything out we have

done everything feasible to make this

thing work engineering has given you the

responses I wholeheartedly agree but

everything that engineering does now I'm

a telecommunications engineer now a

civil engineer but I agree that they've

done their homework we push it back here

we've got the money in the budget to do

it and this is the thing that we need to

have going forward these businesses

bring in a lot of people to work and the

final thing is we know what the final

look on the project's could it be I

don't know where do you think that

tommmartens going to lose or parking

spots we haven't even got a final design

that's what we're going to be approving

next month and just set it to an

engineering front for design so coming

at the 11th hour is absolutely wrong

it's the wrong way to look at this this

is a much much needed a reef process of

working with sewer systems so we're

gonna get our sewers meet repairs we're

going to get our streets prepared we're

gonna make that a better highway to get

our people in and out and this is what

the neighbors want this is what the and

this is a central place one and this is

what the people on the 2nd Avenue

business terrific one though I chose

motion to move 14 we've got another hand

up let Scott Sanders it looks like it

could be wrong but it looks like the

citizen that had his hand up his taken

it down god okay Scott why don't you

jump in and then let's go to Josh and

then back to Carl and now I see Larry

James put his hand back up catch yes not

mayor just as a suggestion so we were

not prepared to have a full rehash on on

the second

new merits if you will and there's I

would tell you I have real concern about

delaying it another year given the

bridge improvements and the sewer

improvements that need to move forward

and so we need to know how the road

construction will occur along in tandem

with those other projects three Scott

we've waited long enough and in so many

other projects are waiting in the wings

to get this done

yeah so I thought mayor we've really got

two choices to move ahead with with at

least for the council members of green

that needs to move ahead as scheduled or

we schedule another time to talk

specifically about the second Avenue I

think those are our two options for for

tonight all right

I moved 1414 has been moved I see a hand

up Larry James and then we'll go to Josh

and then defect to Carl Larry

okay go I gotta go on on mute him just

one moment

Larry yes Thank You mr. mayor council

Larry James 1 1 4 xxx Des Moines thank

you for the opportunity to speak I'll

keep it brief

I share councilmen bosses concerns I

understand the arguments for the second

Avenue reconstruction obviously the road

needs to be reconstructed it's in

terrible shape

no one's no one's disputing that I think

the council really is just making a

policy decision as you do and you're the

policymaking body in the city duly

elected really you're making decision

whether or not this is an area that

should be primarily benefiting suburban

commuters who move through our city for

generating wealth for the city and I

think that by not considering during the

process a three lane configuration

council is is losing an opportunity to

continue to allow traffic to move

through safely in fact safer than and

then the proposed design by lowering and

generating wealth along the corridor we

have a road that has currently fewer

cars per day than Douglas Avenue council

has already approved or is it is going

to approve tonight a proposal to start a

pilot project on Douglas Avenue we

should go from four to three lanes

Douglas Avenue in 2040 is proposed to

have approximately 20,000 cars a day

this project is proposed to have

approximately 20,000 cars a day the the

speeds that will be projected on this

road just by design it's not regardless

of what you post the speed at a four

lane road you're going to go faster than

you do on a three lane road and as a

real estate attorney my really really

focusing on the development and as a

taxpayer of Des Moines I'm really

concerned about the removal of

additional properties from from the tax

rolls especially concerning the fact

that if you look at a map of the four

properties that we taking completely a

three of them appear to be

minority-owned businesses and

you know we have an area here that is

actually fairly thriving Chinese and

Vietnamese district in our city we're

taking out a couple businesses there

completely and actually reducing the

parking of the Double Dragon grocery

store so I think that the social equity

cost is high on here I think that the

the the reluctance for some I don't

understand the reluctance but there's no

reluctance to consider a three lane

configuration and I think that by

pursuing this and proceeding tonight

what just sounds like you will I just

want to be on record that's to say that

as a taxpayer that I feel like this is

not going to benefit the city as the

whole I think that the return on

investment on this project which is

estimated in total to be over seventeen

million dollars I'd be hard-pressed to

see how the ROI for the city is going to

be benefited in a positive manner over

and above that that that amount so just

my two cents and I know that it sounds

like it's a foregone conclusion but I

appreciate the opportunity to speak

thank you

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Thank You Larry

Josh yeah Thank You mr. mayor

so I sure the concerns the councilmember

boss is raised I have raised a number of

these concerns throughout the process on

on this corridor and so I think the

points about safety in particular are

well taken the points about the land

that we are going to have to take out of

out of higher and better use to expand

or to do this reconstruction I have

concerns with that as well and then on

top of that we are at a place where I

believe we're going to be revisiting a

number of CIP decision

over the course of the summer because

our budget situation is is changing due

to the pandemic and everything that is

going on so I would be willing to look

at this particular issue I plan on

voting for the budget but I would be

willing to look at this particular issue

as one of the items that that we come

back to is something that we we should

address as we are looking at those types

of decisions over the coming months ok

good point curl back to you and then to

Connie

sure Thank You Mara Connie so I can

appreciate that the second Avenue

business owners in the business part the

central place have concerns about this

man if any of you had been at the

meetings when the proposal for the

traffic calming on Ingersoll Avenue was

going about they were absolutely again

their heels business owners who did not

want to change now look at that corridor

now that's that's the fabulous corridor

that we should hold up as an example to

all I think Bill's comments about the

regarding traffic so do we design our

streets for two hours of traffic a day

so the morning rush hour and the

afternoon rush hour I just that really

gives me a lot of heartburn and there's

there's also other ways to get into the

central place area you can get in there

on University Avenue so

I don't know what them and maybe Scott

is there an opportunity that we could

approve the CIP as it shows tonight but

can we revisit this I did not do this at

11th hour I asked questions all along

while we were going through the CIP it's

just taken a long time for some of my

questions to be answered so I think it's

worth taking another look at this

project if there was a way that Scott

maybe you could suggest and they having

to do that

mayor that that is an option

it's just when I think the reference to

the 11th hour

councilmen boss is that even prior to

your seat that you coming onto the

council there was you know a couple of

years worth of work and finally got to a

consensus at that point in time having

said that there are still approvals

necessary on this project and will be

several more so you know I as a city

manager need to be assured that there

are four more than four council members

that agree with this project moving

forward as a four-lane facility that's

not the case then we absolutely need to

come back as a group and and figure out

a new solution but I do need to know if

there's if there's council support so to

hurry with this process on us on a road

that's going to have a 25 year life I

just I'm having problems accepting that

Carl I really appreciate your your

thoughts we have put these up and even

prior to councilmember gray getting on

the council we worked on this corridor

with council member of AUSA's and it's

really been a sort of a touch-and-go

ongoing conversation for I would say

heading towards 15 years rather than

just the the three it's it's a tough one

there's a lots of pros and cons I've

been on the ingersoll corridor that was

pointed out and argued on the the side

to to do that I also can tell you the

other problem that I see even more

problematic on a second Avenue because

of the massive amounts of trucks going

in and out is some of the ingersoll

solutions is to park the semis right in

the middle of the street in the three

lane especially in this case offloading

to that grocery and then also to the

liquor store

and some of those others that would

require that where they can't exactly

get into that to the to the property

easily so they just parked the doggone

thing in the middle of the street rather

than going around through the parking

lots and all that sort of thing so I

think if we're gonna revisit this

there's many many issues that that need

to be looked at and it's been a subject

of discussion I think since Scott's been

with the city and I think I know for

sure since Jeff has been with a city

this is a this is a tough area between

University and the river that that has

been tested over time and of course this

four-lane road that is in there has been

therefore I don't know 50 hearing idea I

slaughter papers down there that was

just 10 years ago though builders dead

okay let's move on to councilmember

bo's'n let's get all the council's

comments in and then let's figure out

what the emotion looks like I think

councilmember god I was still got his

hand up and I think has an idea but

--red cuz Mariposa I was just gonna get

clarification this is really about the

total CIP program and to Josh this point

everything's gonna be up for grabs prior

to review and I would be supportive if

we want to look at it again and we do

have other opportunities as Mr Sanders

said so I'm supporting it but I just

want to make clarification it's the

overall and I I guess I'm not willing to

pull out one item right now for the

overview I think we do need to review

every project we probably have going

forward almost to see how we can scale

back or do what we need to do to get the

funds that we need to do the other items

that's all I have okay Joe mr. mayor

thank you and I appreciate all the

comments you know I know Carla's got on

the council just this year I mean we've

sat through over the last six years many

many workshops

I mean workshops in the morning all day

workshops where the engineering

department came through and offered us a

four lane or five Lane we've taken hours

upon hours of discussing second Avenue

we all were in agreement this was the

best fit for for that and and there were

six out of the seven of us that were in

those discussions at the time this is as

Connie pointed out the the complete CIP

plan and just one one comment that was

said and Collin I appreciate this I know

eager saw has been a huge success but

Ingersoll is is

model that you can take to everywhere in

the city and I know that that folks and

staff would love to do that but people a

lot of people in different parts of the

areas of our town don't want that and I

can tell you we tried Christine Hensley

and I tried to do that on Southwest

night and make it a three lane road

which parky and you would have thought

that we were the devil and and we needed

to leave the meeting immediately we were

going to be home at the time of bringing

it up so central place is is similar to

that it's an industrial commercial area

there is lots of large trucks and I

think that we took that into

consideration when we looked at the maps

at the engineering department put in you

know I understand your concern but we

could not think that we can model every

single Street like Ingersoll because

it's not going to be successful over the

city and as soon as we all can to come

to terms with that I think we would have

a lot less disagreement so those are my

comments I still have the motion of

moving item 14 and I guess we can vote

and maybe we'll be on the that maybe let

it all work out through the vote and we

can move on okay thank you question has

been called I see no other hands up

madam clerk I'd ask you to pull the

council on this item place okay Gatto

yes County yes bozon yes boss yes grey

yes Westergaard second I have to unmute

her she would had a bunch of noise in

the background

Westergaard yes mandelbaum yes your

honor that's seven yes motion carries

all right good discussion a lot of good

points came up let's continue to try to

do what's best for our citizens and

businesses moving forward and with that

let's move on item 15 which is on the

amendment of the annual budget for the

current fiscal year ending June 30 of

2020 counts of communication number 20 -

186 any quick comment Scott so the

amendment there is an attached council

communication and a two-page memo that

was provided to council just just some

minor changes including the receipt of

the CDBG funds and the ESG funds which

are on this agenda to discuss otherwise

the change is the ten cents well

actually this is for the amendments

which are even more minor for the

current year okay anybody have any

questions

this hearing is open is there anyone

from the public who has any comments to

make 15 all right item 15 has been moved

I will ask the clerk again do polar

Council please bozon yes boss yes gray

yes Westergaard

let me make sure she's not muted I don't

I've got her Westergaard dia Westergaard

yeah yes Mandelbaum yeah god oh yes

County yes your honor that's Evan yes

motion carries

okay item 16 on the proposed budget for

fiscal year ending June 30 of 2021

council communication it 420 guess 186

Scott did you want to make quick comment

on this one

thank you matter the the comment I was

going to make earlier is reflected in

the fiscal year 21 budget which the

major change is the tax rate was

originally recommended to be reduced by

the ten cents and with this revised

recommendation the recommendation is to

leave the tax rate the same not lower it

there's again attachment a that was

provided that shows some of the

accounting changes that needed to take

place as well available to take any

questions

Scott I'll just make one quick comment I

want to thank you and all of our budget

staff these are gonna be really trying

times and I think that you've made some

appropriate recommendations to us we

have fought really hard to to work for

our taxpayers and see what we can do to

to reduce their property taxes but at

the moment giving the fiscal impact of

our revenue side and what's happening I

really appreciate the adjustments that

you've made in their recommendations to

us and with that I'm going to open it up

councilmember gotto mr. mayor thank you

and first off Scott thank you for you

and your team I know all the staff is on

on the line so they deserve a big thank

you they've this budget has probably

been one of the most challenging ones I

know that last year when we thought we

were going to get

a huge chunk of sales tax money and we

were going to be using that we had a lot

of projects CIP projects we were looking

at a 40 cent decrease and and today

we're lucky that we're not increasing

taxes and I think everyone needs to be

aware of that as we start going around

to neighborhood groups again eventually

you know it's important that they know

that they didn't get the wool pull over

their eyes we went through a pandemic

and we went through a some major major

things that no one's seen coming and I

think it's important to know that at

least we were able to keep the tax rate

stable I'm hoping next year we'll be

able to do that but the important thing

is we need to fix our streets our sewers

and do the things that we said we were

going to do when we pass Local Option

Sales Tax then we're committed to do

that through this budget and through

natchez budget and and I know all seven

of us and I won't speak for everybody

but I know that working with everyone

that they're committed for that too so

you know what I'm going to support this

budget for those reasons but you know

Scott you said ten cents that it was

supposed to be 40 cents so just a

clarification let's not forget what we

talked about last year but I think it's

appropriate what we're doing tonight as

and our residents will understand why

we're doing it tonight thanks Joe anyone

else on the council want to make comment

you know ask also if there's anyone in

the public that would like to make um it

Josh yeah I want to echo what Joe was

saying in terms of thinking the staff

you know the conversation tonight is

maybe a order part of what's to come in

in the next few months and I know

there's a ton of work that faff has put

in thinking about the budget

implications of everything that we're

facing right now and I think we're going

to have to have some really tough

numbers

in the coming months so that we can stay

on track and some of the things that

we've prioritized from our are

infrastructure investments in our

investments and streets including our

Complete Streets and and priorities and

sidewalks the things that we promised

neighbors that we would that we would do

and figuring out how we can do as much

of what we promised in what's going to

look like a very very different

situation than we were facing just a

couple months ago

so to me that's the piece to underscore

is that we've got a lot of conversation

yet to have on the future of our budget

and and how we make things work there

was a tremendous amount of work that was

done to get to this point and and I

think all of the staff that was a part

of that but we've got a tremendous

amount of work left to do and that's

going to be really important

conversations that we're gonna have and

I look forward to engaging but we need

to be open to looking at a lot of

different solutions thanks Josh all

right sixteen has been moved let's check

and see yep public I see none you see

any Kay no I do not all right let's go

ahead and pull the council in please

gotta yes County yes

thousand yes boss yes gray yes

Westergaard yes Mandelbaum yes your

honor that's seven yes motion carries

all right thank you all and I want to

thank our council for working so hard

together also and helping and supporting

the actions that have moved forward and

been recommended by our city

council to our staff and the staffs hard

work that has been pointed out you guys

have really had to make some adjustments

in a very short period of time given the

circumstances that have been thrown at

us with this pandemic that we continue

to face that seems to be headed towards

a peak with an unbelievable increase in

cases across the state so let's all be

careful and thank you all for everything

that you've done in this that's the last

item on the hearings but we'll close the

hearings and Kay I've got 541 that takes

us back to item 11 item 11 was a fund

transfer resolution of the City of Des

Moines fiscal year 2020

Scott any comment there quickly so yes

thank you mayor the council may recall

that this is an additional item that's

now required with each annual budget

approval that we pull out a separate

attachment to identify where transfers

are necessary between funds internally

so it's somewhat of an administrative

task that just simply needs to be done

but I do have Nick available for any

questions that the council has on you'll

see we need to do it all from an amended

standpoint for the current year and the

next item addresses the transfers

anticipated in the budget for next year

anybody have any quick questions on this

this will be obviously Scott we're going

to continue working on it and as

everybody has pointed out we're gonna

have to modify and adjust is

circumstances present themselves so

thank you all for stepping up and

knowing that this is this is a piece

that's going to be testing all of us

probably for the coming 12 months

anybody

you have not let's see if there's

anybody in the public eye see we're on

11 yeah I'll move 11 11 has been moved

k.will you pulled the council blades

bo's'n yes boss

yes gray yes Westergaard yes mandelbaum

yeah

gato yes County yes your honor that's

seven yes motion carries text Adam 12 is

got referred to it a second ago this is

the fun transfer resolution in the City

of Des Moines for fiscal year 2021 any

other additions to your comments uh

Scott if not we'll open it up and see if

anybody else has any comment nothing for

me all right thank you well Connie if no

one else has any comments I like to to

move item 12 please all right Thank You

Carl item 12 has been moved let's

quickly check

I see no hands up from our 46

participants and so if you would pull

the council plays thoughts yes gray yes

Westergaard yes Mandelbaum yeah Gatto

yes County yes Posen

yes your honor that seven yes motion

carries

all right item 13 is an item that has

been put on for discussion it's a quick

understanding of the use of the CDBG and

ESG Kovach 19 funding in Scott I'm gonna

ask you to quickly summarize what this

is and then we'll open it up and see if

there's anyone the public they'd like to

may come in on this as well Scott thank

you mayor

yes so there is a

document have been sent out that shows

you from a high-end level the CDBG funds

that the city has received and ESG funds

with their emergency funds to prevent

homelessness and so we received about

2.2 million of the CDBG version and

about 1.1 million of the ESG funding

these are related to : 19 impacts and so

they need to be spent as such however we

have not gotten any specific additional

guidance from HUD who regulates these

funds as to more specifics now they

there is a long history however a dish

other CDBG funds that have been

distributed over the years and we

anticipate that there will be some

restrictions that require these funds to

have benefit for low-income individuals

in our community or low-income

neighborhoods geographically and so we

do need to proceed with some caution as

to how we allocate the CDBG funds and

then on the ESG funds again the homeless

aspect needs to be addressed in how

those funds are spent thank you Kay for

bringing us this document up these are

recommendations that I put together with

staff Trista Rehn is Erin Oleson douglas

have assisted in this regard I will

state that as we run through this at

this point in time we have a hearing set

for May 4th that adjusts our plan action

plan you'll see reference there we have

the ability to tweak these numbers if

the council wants to go in a different

direction but you will see there is also

an administrative allowance

I would say at this point in time we put

those allowances at would what the

federal government guidance allows for

which is 20% of the CDBG and 10% of the

ESG those funds can be spent with staff

time and other expenditures on any

aspect of responding to cope at 19 not

just these programs that we are

considering and as you might imagine

there is significant time being spent

throughout our organization in the

general fund to respond to covin 19 and

so at this point in time we have no

assurances that there will actually be

federal funding coming to the city we've

we've got the intent from a couple of

our federal legislators that that that

is the direction being headed but at

this point in time I would urge that we

leave the administrative portion at what

is allowed by HUD and we can always come

back and redress that and reallocate

those administrative funds if we find

that we've been recouped through a new

source or a new federal bill forthcoming

so I have Chris and Erin and also

available here to answer questions but

if mayor we could start with the CME the

2.2 million

I've spoken individually to council

members about the desire to spend 1

million of those funds on a small

business relief effort and combine that

with a $500,000 of city funds that are

have been allocated for Economic

Development purposes that allow for no

restrictions on the 500,000 portion in

combination with the million dollars of

CDBG funds that will have either

Geographic requirements for applicants

would have specific requirements as to

be

fitting low income wage earners okay

councilmember Gatos got his hand up sure

Scott just a question I know when we

talked originally I know you were going

to talk to the county about contributing

and we were partnering also with them

did that not happen yes and so the

recommendation for this million dollars

of CDBG fund will be in combination with

the Des Moines partnership and the

county and potentially other cities

addressing their own municipalities but

our funds and whatever matching funds we

get from the private side and the county

would be spent on Des Moines businesses

only my understanding the county is that

they're looking at what would roughly

end up being I believe a hundred

thousand dollars of potential

contribution towards the City of Des

Moines program and the private

fundraising has targeted roughly two

hundred that a little over two hundred

thousand and we do have some individuals

on that on the call that can help answer

some additional questions from the

partnership aspect of this they are

continuing to privately fundraise to to

add to that number but at this point in

time there was some confidence I'm

hearing from about 200 over two hundred

thousand on the private side and around

a hundred thousand three county sources

to add to ours and will defer we talked

about the forgivable loan being is that

a third party review of that or how does

that work yes so we for the partnership

has been fabulous in putting us in

contact with some resources third party

that can administrate the application

process electronically actually do

reviews on the fiscal viability of those

companies and applicants and then score

them based

how harmful the Cova 19 impacts have

been any corresponding closures through

proclamations for which these small

businesses have lost revenue as you

might imagine some applicants have

completely had to shut down others may

only be partially shut down and so that

review will be done by the third party

in asking for fiscal information from

the applicants and then that fiscal

scoring would be provided to us along

with the applications the requests for

funding such that the city gets to

determine the actual Awards at the end

of this process so they are only

starting us out and we would get the

final answer on which batch of

applicants would actually receive would

that be with that is that a council vote

that will be okay and all the applicants

or would that be a staff through staff

so that's partly a legal question there

will have to be some obviously some

council approvals yet in the grant

agreements I would hope and envision

that that process would allow for one

batch of Awards to occur at once through

the council I'll let Jeff maybe chime in

if if he wants to on how he can

envisions is but we're still have a lot

of details yet to be worked out but

there will have to be some council

approvals yet Jeff any could come in

excuse me I think the issue from the

legal perspective is that we don't have

enough guidance yet from the feds we've

made repeated requests and we've got

some guidance but I don't think we have

necessarily all the guidance that we

need so I think Scott's right I think

there would be a serious series or at

least an initial approval by Council

that would be required on the on the

gist of the program and expenditures

going forward and then

depending on the guidance that is

ultimately received we can determine

whether or not there needs to be

additional council action or del

additional delegation to staff or the

best way to approach that okay we've got

council members with their hands up so

if you go ahead yeah the emergency food

distribution how did we come up with

just $100,000 for that particular

program is that designated in the in

what the feds say we can spend it on no

said it's what we did said that was a

starting point that I put in there this

is Scott that number can absolutely

change it and there may be others that

have better guidance on what that need

is all these programs as you might

imagine council have greater needs than

each of these numbers especially on the

CDBG side with small business loans

rental assistance which again I can have

Chris kind of address these are families

that are potentially looking at

evictions and and need some assistance

through through payment of rent or

mortgage and then also the opportunity

for emergency food distribution which is

an idea of paying to have local

restaurants provide hot meals evening

meals for those families in need all

three of these have great amount of

needs far beyond the numbers you see in

front of you so okay there's there's an

opportunity to shift those numbers as

needed

thank you mr. Gardner I was going to ask

a question similar to Joe's about how

this money was divided up I agree

there's just not going to be enough

money to help everybody that needs help

in our community I'm just wondering with

gentle and mortgage assistance at 680

for the small business at a million

could we maybe adjust that number a

little bit I absolutely support the

emergency food distribution but it looks

like we're taking it all out of the

rental mortgage assistance and it looks

like it's it's really more of a small

business item so I'm just wondering if

we can adjust those funds a bit if

possible yes there is an ability to do

that I would just indicate that

conversations of the starting point was

a million dollars to the coalition of

the partnership and the campaign so we

although we can back down from that yeah

all right thanks Linda Carl yes so the

SBA defines a small businesses 500 or

fewer employees and so is there any

definition how through these dollars

we're going to define what small

business is ere if I could I'd actually

refer to Aaron a he may have good the

right let's uh Marin Aaron Aaron you

have the floor own salt mayor council

this is Aaron Olson Douglas director

economic development

can you hear me yes yes yes oh great

could you repeat the question Cosmo

glass sure I believe the SBA defines a

small business as 500 or fewer employees

correct I'm just curious

for the definition of this small

business relief fund

how are we going to define a small

business we are going to narrow it

significantly we are looking at 25 to 30

employees as the definition for this

program okay

is it 25 to 30 or are you gonna allow

lesser like down to five or four we are

going to go one two either 25 or 30 good

thank you go ahead girl yeah and I would

be in favor of bumping up the emergency

food distribution and in part because

that puts restaurant employees to work

to help distribute the food so I think

there's a double benefit there thank you

after seeing your line up Joe sorry I

didn't raise my hand we have an iPad

Michelle let me get her unmuted okay

Michelle yes I'm here Thank You two City

Council members to the mayor and to the

city manager for your work in this very

important area

we appreciate greatly being that the

emergency food distribution is being

considered as part of this Block Grant

and know that you have difficult

difficult decisions to make I will say

that the need is great in the Des Moines

community we have typically in in months

passed for many years

provided over $500,000 of food support

into the moines public school district

every care with the schools with the

doors closed and most of those food

pantries not operating families are

having a very difficult time filling

their food budget need this is intended

to be an evening meal a hot meal

provided to families in local low income

areas there would be some reimbursement

of the child's meal through the USDA a

Summer Food Service Program we think we

can leverage USDA food that the Bank of

Iowa manages and that restaurant

partners could also leverage vendor

relationships to have product donated

knowing that at this time institutional

risk restaurant-grade food is a glut in

the in the marketplace so I appreciate

your consideration I have submitted some

additional information via Josh

Mandelbaum for consideration and would

be happy to have further conversations

on this topic and again appreciate your

thoughts and your considerations as it

concerns feeding hungry folks in Des

Moines Iowa Michele thank you for your

comment let me ask you just for the the

record could you give us your name

address and what organization you're

representing Michele book I'm the CEO of

the bank of Iowa and I'm at to-220 East

17th Street in Des Moines Iowa all right

Thank You Michele there is a Scott yep

if I could I think we also have camera

maybe available too there's a there's an

aspect to the small business I'd like to

also address what the council is an

opportunity to partner with a different

group that has a focus on some

minority-owned businesses and

women-owned businesses that I think

would be incredibly beneficial to work

with them as well through this process

again a lot of

tails would still need to be worked out

on how we could best work together and

leverage each other's resources but I

think it'd be great if we heard from

them as well yeah and I have also so

thanks for bringing that up I've talked

to Cameron and Deidre d'Azur and so if

one of them would want to put their hand

up and maybe make a couple of comments

now be a great time Hydra awesome thank

you for the opportunity to shed a little

bit light on the project Cameron and I

are working on he has a competing

meeting right now with the n-double-a-cp

so he may have had to drop off already

he's got his hand up oh great great

so essentially I'll just give you a

brief 30-second background early on in

March

several organizations join ranks to

align to really uplift the low-income

and minority community as a related to

small business ownership we were finding

out very early that it was difficult for

them to prepare to apply for some of

these early deadline opportunities and

it was also difficult for them to

connect with the opportunities as well

and so as a result these organizations

decided to create a supplemental fun

with $50,000 and seed money and it's

grown since then and and the goal is to

connect our small businesses in our

community our communities of color who

often do not apply or connect with

resources like this encourage them to

participate while also ensuring that

they're connecting with the dollars that

are going to help them through this

process which also means education and

so I'll piggy to push it off to

Cameron's just to talk about the

educational component and because as

we're working with our small business

owners in this process helping them to

prepare for different types of

applications whether it be ours or

others there's a great need for

technical assistance and our partners

are amongst those partners in the state

expansion of our education partner at

this time and I like so

really have Cameron chat with that

educational component all day no right

thanks Deidre Cameron

you on one moment Cameron yes can you

hear me yes all right thank you thank

you Deidre Thank You Council for

allowing us to speak on this

I'm as Deidre mentioned Iowa State

University Extension is top donors or

educational partner I think it's

important first understand that a lot of

these businesses need the immediate

relief in dollars right now but for them

to see their way out of this pandemic

stronger than before the educational

pieces are gonna be even more key to

their progress our business development

team at Iowa State Extension outreach

which is my employer is combined with

farm food and Enterprise Development

Community Economic Development

Department as well as a small business

development center we're focused on four

different responses right now one we'll

be doing we have available podcasts on

best practices that are available

currently we have ten that will be going

up over the weekend we're also be doing

webinars classes and as well as

technical support in the form of our

classes we're gonna be introducing

businesses to the business model canvas

which is a tool we use to help

businesses understand how they can

change their business model and

reevaluate that process especially in

this time we know that when the state

does open up we're not going to go back

to business as usual

it's really going to be an opportunity

for these businesses to you know

understand how they can alter their

business plans in order to be as

successful as they can in addition to

that we have classes on the business

plan financial resources restaurant

financial analysis and also business

startup it's also important that we

focus on technical assistance so we have

about 10 different employees that will

be doing one-on-one business coaching

with with small business owners this

will come in the form of financial

benchmarking financial snapshots market

analysis and feasibility studies as well

as business plan assistance our

expertise falls in line with strategize

er which is our business canvas business

model canvas working tool as well as a

live plan which helps us with our

feasibility studies and in vertical IQ

business minor industrial CFO which all

of our market analysis tools the great

thing about a market analysis we can get

it all the way down to county level but

in some cases depending on the industry

we can get it down to city level but the

goal with this plan is really to ensure

that these businesses have the resources

available not only financial but also

the technical resources so as they come

out of this stronger alright and the

group of organizations is amazing I'm

really proud of just the diversity that

exists and the amount of effort that

these organizations all of course having

competing priorities and the mystic ovet

but they're deciding to commit to small

businesses and and so that includes the

directors council the immigrant

entrepreneur Summit League of United

Latin American citizens which is also

known as LULAC Iowa State Extension of

course dream Iowa Iowa community capital

is our fiscal agent for this program and

they are processing all of our granted

dollars out at no cost to us which is

awesome the bosniak American Association

of Iowa embarked focuses on refugees

specifically from the Burmese population

but not exclusively the Des Moines

branch of the n-double a-c-p

Latino resources of Iowa they put on the

Latino Heritage Festival each year a Des

Moines area community college through

the financial empowerment center in

Evelyn K Davis and then one voice DSM

which is an up-and-coming organization

that focuses on outreach to African

folks immigrants from Africa and those

who are originally from Africa and so

this alliance not only is connecting

people with this resource and the

resources that exist amongst this

alliance but taking a step board to also

be a part of the selection committee as

well and I think this is a tremendous

grassroots effort by these organizations

to ensure that the dollars that are

necessary to help these businesses see

themselves through kovat are put in

their hands and so we're really proud of

this initiative we're continuing to

raise money and we would love for the

city to make a contribution to this fund

to help out I mean

right now we have over 480 some-odd

applications that have come in now the

ones that have been submitted from the

City of Des Moines only 47 that 47 makes

up about 5 million dollars in gross

that's their annual gross collectively

for people of color in Des Moines there

have been 21 applicants this is as of

last Wednesday and their gross is 1.5

million dollars annually the losses for

Des Moines businesses the 47 is almost

$350,000 and so we're trying to do

whatever we can to help these Des Moines

businesses considering and mind you

these are just March losses right this

is half of March so you can imagine what

April is going to look like for so many

of these business owners and so as we're

looking to try to help we're asking the

city to just you know support these

organizations in this effort to ensure

that the dollars are connecting with the

communities that are most vulnerable in

this and we thank you for your time all

right

Camden Deidre thank you very very much

for your presentation it's kind of guess

the question not only to you but to the

rest of the council is is there a

possibility that we can put these kinds

of ideas in the middle of this

discussion the use of some of these

funds yes mayor absolutely and there's a

couple different ways that that can

happen I I think what you first need to

divvy up the money between these three

efforts and and then work with Deidre

and and Camryn on on the actual details

of inviting them in to our process or

handing off the applications there's a

couple different ways that could work

and I think the partnership is working

with us I see meg Snyder's on and josh

has a comment Josh if you don't mind I'm

going to ask Meg that make it could come

in if she will at this time she's doomed

good evening mayor and council thank you

for the opportunity this is Meg

Schneider representing Greater Des

Moines partnership certainly

the opportunity to partner with the city

on the small business relief and

recovery grants a quick update from our

standpoint we have been working with

other municipalities in the region to

get them all to come on board with one

fund and one application process its

centralized along with the vetting

process that Scott Sanders outlined

prior please to let you know that see we

have three municipalities committed

another two are in in some varying stage

of approval with their own councils and

likely some more coming on board and

then as of this morning we have another

$500,000 from the private sector that

will go to match those municipal dollars

being infused back into our economy here

in the join region so certainly

appreciate that opportunity to partner

with you and looking forward to future

discussions

thanks for the update Meg Josh well I've

got a question about what what meg said

actually in terms of the private sector

match how is that match going to be

allocated is it is it dollar for dollar

or proportionate proportionate so if for

example the Des Moines City Council is

putting in two thirds of the dollars to

the program are we then eligible for

two-thirds of the private sector dollars

can you hear me there we go thank you

for the question

so if Scott mentioned the city dollars

their dollar for dollar back to your own

communities

additionally there are some dollars from

polk county those will be distributed to

participating municipalities at a per

capita ratio and then again when we have

we have sort of a collection of you

municipalities they're participating at

at this point and the private sector

dollars would be in an equal fashion

likely a per capita formula as well okay

so it doesn't matter how much as long as

the city's participating the the formula

for allocating those dollars is likely

the same

could you let me know what what amount

are the cities that have committed thus

far participating act certainly the city

of Urbandale has discover meant at

$100,000

city of johnston is at 25 with

additional funds in reserve

clive is a verbal as at this point they

have not had a council meeting to to

formalize that but they are have 25,000

dedicated and perhaps some additional in

the wings as well and council Mandelbaum

i'm just pulling up my notes to make

sure i have the ratio allocated properly

to give you a better answer okay all

right I want to thank everybody is

that's a great update Scott any other

final comments on this CDBG ESG as we

move forward to allocation to support

citizens businesses for all the purposes

so yeah I mean I appreciate all the work

that has gone into this and you know

this this is a tough situation because I

think there are a tremendous amount of

means all the way around and the dollars

we have to work with are I there's no

way that we're going to be able to meet

all of the needs all right my personal

preference is is to is to err on the

side of Direct Relief first so I would

like to see significantly more dollars

for the emergency food distribution and

I would also like to see significantly

more details on on the small business

relief fund I had a whole host of

questions that that I had submitted to

the manager and

a lot of the answers were that the

details still need to be worked out I'm

comfortable committing dollars there but

I kind of liked the Johnston approach

where Johnston put initial dollars in

and then has additional dollars that

potentially can go into the program but

for me I want to get a better sense of

both the the need from the emergency

food distribution perspective and if we

can do more to help there as well as the

details of the program I do like the

what what Cameron and Deidre were

talking about in terms of the minority

owned business I'm also particularly

interested in understanding how we maybe

need to target the the CDBG dollar to

low-income communities or neighborhoods

on the small business relief side I and

I don't think there were really any

details worked out on that particular

question so I'm I'm interested in seeing

more detail on on that but my hope is

that we can rearrange some of the

funding so that minimally we hate

250,000 for the emergency food

distribution potentially more because I

think there's there's more need and

adjust dollars accordingly so that

that's where I that's where I sort of

start in this process there is this

Herrin this is Erin go ahead I do want

to make note on the comment that you

just raised councilmember vandal Vaughn

about the low-income areas in particular

the CDBG funding as

we understand it and not all of the

waivers and guidance is out yet but as

applied to small business relief that

portion of the funding will be required

to either be in an identified low

moderate income area by geography or

employ workers who are whose households

are in a low moderate income bracket

spectrum okay are we treating those to

the same because it's significantly

different it is we intend to use our

application to screen by questions

around those two topic areas so we will

ask applicants to identify their block

group which we have which we can

identify with our website and we intend

to ask whether the business believes

that they employ workforce who is whose

households are in that low moderate

income spectrum they will be approval of

screening questions that this actually

this conversation also raises a another

question that I have and one of the

things that I like about the idea of the

emergency food distribution is that

their layers of benefit there's the

direct relief with the food distribution

there's an element of small business

relief because you're engaging at least

some restaurants as well as employees of

those restaurants on the small business

side you know one of the criteria might

be the

employee low-income workers is there

anything that's going to require dollars

getting back to those workers and then

how are we dealing with that piece of it

and how are we dealing with the

potential to leverage or layer the

benefit on the small business side

scatter Aaron any quick comments on that

we've got councilmember bows and who

else who has her hand up and as for

awhile I would just say that I know that

the application will ask for how the

funds will get spent and we anticipate

that a lot of the answers will be in

payroll as one of the options so we will

have it as part of the conversation if

with the applicants and how those funds

will gets better I mean the quick

follow-up it mean can that be king can

the payroll piece be a criteria for the

program I think I'd have to defer that

part of the conversation that meg has

had with any of the the center can we

just make that 750 the other $250,000 in

food distribution and move on I mean

we're not going to ever fill everyone's

needs but I'm with Josh people need to

eat and if we can put a little bit more

money into that right now that's

immediate help to those folks or we

already committed a billion dollars to

try to get the other match to Scott I

would not resist that Jo and all why

don't we just do that Josh Connie I'm

sorry I didn't raise my hand it's okay

you were saying when I was going to say

so can we just flip that around a little

bit Josh are you okay with that that we

have three $350,000 for the emergency

food distribution and then we definitely

are going to need some more details for

the small business relief but

Josh race and great questions and I

think that we want to make sure that it

is going to help not the employers but

the employees I mean and I know it's

going to help the employer by able to

pay some rent so they can actually have

a job for those employees to come back

when they're able to get back open I

think that's part of it

but right now we can we can fill an

immediate need by putting more money

into that emergency food distribution

and give it to some restaurants that are

already open and are able to put some

people back to work and and that would

be helpful with with helping people eat

and putting money in other people's

pockets that can work I think it makes

sense one of the other questions I think

Scott is where are you going to take it

out are you going to take it out of the

the rental assistance I mean keeping a

roof over people's heads pretty

important as well no take it out so

let's so let's you know make sure we

understand what we're doing how we're

doing it I appreciate the the effort and

certainly putting food on the table is

really a huge priority for an awful lot

of people

councilmember Bosen I was just gonna say

that I would agree with taking some out

of the small business and going into the

food because you are helping a small

business in most cases restaurants so I

think we're just transferring dollars

from a small business account into

something that I think is critical

because not we're talking about hot food

probably from a restaurant instead of

the packaged food that the school's

doing a tremendous job but I don't know

how much is hot so I think that I would

be for that and I do think we need some

guidelines and I think from what Aaron

talked about I think it's a good you

know it sounds really good because there

is never gonna be enough dollars and

we've got to narrow it in to the people

we can help the most and that would

possibly be the people who are paying

rent for the buildings they I don't know

if that's a question but who's paying

rent is more impacted than if you were

owned your own building or whatever

I do think more needs to get her food

because you're helping small business so

that's just one AD that mayor if I could

again there's a sky so I understand the

proposal would be to lower the small

business to 750 and put the 250 down

into the emergency food to make that 350

I think a couple things that does not

impact the private match because the

private match is on the other source the

half a million were bringing in of IDI

funds so that's a good good thing that

lowering the CBD would not impact the

private match and my understanding it

also does not impact the counties for to

surfing that's great that would work and

now here I would I would say this though

because we're taking it out of the small

business I would want Deidre and Cameron

to maybe identify some minority owned

restaurants that could participate in

the emergency food programs great that

way we can have a win-win situation that

we impact if they're still on the phone

maybe they could answer because they

already have applications yeah I don't

want to speak for them but I think in a

rather extended kind of show I think

then they work Deidre you're on Cameron

I am I am still on in Cameron I see her

ends up as well do you guys agree with

this concept

you're both out but yeah yes yes perfect

and we could definitely identify some

black-owned and minority owned

restaurants for you as well that'd be

great

well and the only just through the

through the Alliance the Alliance can

make recommendations for small business

owners who are not black but also are

people of color

okay all right Josh you want to make

quick comment but well I I was going to

say I'm I mean as we continue to work

through the small business side of this

I really want to emphasize the

importance of the multiple benefits and

in trying to identify multiple benefits

for those dollars

I think getting those dollars to small

businesses that are owned by people of

color is one of the ways that we can hit

the multiple benefits the other piece

again I want to emphasize is getting

dollars and knowing that the dollars are

going to go to employees or that folks

are going to be taken care of in that

way that that's that's multiple layers

the payroll piece so that that to me is

a really important detail in terms of

that that part of the program any final

closing thoughts CamLAN or Deidre your

honor all right this was a really good

discussion I was sorry I was just going

to say for many of our small businesses

that are in low-income areas and you

know just cut are coming from

disadvantaged communities are now having

challenges dealing with this it's going

to be a lot more difficult getting them

the dollars as it relates to the food

component in a massive way there will be

some impact for sure that we can make it

from that vantage point but many of our

businesses as we're seeing are not even

equipped to open their doors because

they don't have the cash flow that's

coming in even to get them the food like

they they would need money fronting to

them that that's the disposition that

that many of them are in because they're

just trying to keep the lights on and

keep the rent pain and things along

those lines thank you

all right we've got a motion in place

there yep we

sorry I didn't get to raise my hand

Scott so we didn't get a chance to talk

if I could just briefly and my Kris

Johansson chimed in on the ESG

sightedness unless we want to get

consensus out of the council visually

the the EF e is funding for homeless

prevention and there are two aspects

that we anticipate spending that funding

on one of which is the computer software

and the information system that we need

to for tracking and then also I spoken

to all of you about some of the shelter

needs and I know Melissa has has reached

out to to to many of you as well there

are additional cost at the sister

involving having some of the residents

dispersed at hotels in order that we

don't potentially infect the entire

shelter if there were an outbreak and so

their numbers are slightly lower than

normal I thinking around the 80-85 as

last I had heard instead of their

capacity in the hundred thirty hundred

fifty range and they have a couple

hotels that have offered to take in

those residents again spreading

spreading them out in two separate

facilities there's a cost of that the

county is also chipping in to help pay

for that and so some of these funds that

you see at the last line item would be

spent on some of those costs in the

housing those individuals at this point

in time I think we have about fifty to

sixty thousand dollars of bills to be

paid for that cost I would anticipate

that amount doubling on the temporary

use of those hotels and and so you could

easily see a hundred and twenty to maybe

a hundred and fifty thousand of that

line item being spent for that purpose

and then the rest being able to be

available for other prevention

opportunities Chris

did I miss anything there they want to

add and then we can ask the council for

consensus Chris Chris are you there

mister mama napkin muting Chris yep I'm

here the one thing I would like to add

with all of our ESG funding annually we

go through a review process with the

Polk County could team up there so

that's one piece we're still waiting on

tomorrow they're having a board meeting

make a recommendation on the the

remaining nine hundred and sixty four

thousand on how to split that between

those three categories so once we have

that recommendation and really maybe

making a recommendation to Council on

how those funding will be used thank you

Chris and so to remind the council we

have a May 4th hearing to also get

public input and we can change the

documents for May 4th to reflect this

conversation that we're having now so

mayor there's not a I am looking for

consensus so we can take our next steps

so somewhat of a vote so to speak but

just looking for consensus that what we

just talked about there applications is

acceptable to council and we we can move

those forward I do so Scott what you was

the guess we get a motion to receive and

file and see if anybody does everybody

agree I guess to essentially the

direction we're headed yes and I would

like each councilor to indicate if

they're grateful if that's possible

thank you okay councilmember bo's'n do

you want to start I'll start I'm

agreeable I think it's an important one

hurry that we need to make sure that we

help cover those expenses that they have

been earned and the county hasn't hurt

you already okay good okay you want a

public balance yes boss

yeah yeah sorry couldn't quite hear okay

yes I'm in agreement with with them the

mix outlined here good

next gray yes I am in agreement as well

Westergaard absolutely

my hope is this that we can have people

go to bed at night with full tummies and

have a roof over their head mandelbaum

yes I am in agreement with the direction

this is heading

the piece I want to emphasize is I hope

between now and May 4th that we can get

some additional details particularly on

the small business side I and I would

say I still I like the idea of maybe

committing that general amount but

having some in the initial commitment

and then the remainder contingent on

what we see in terms of details and some

of the and demonstrated need data for

this or are we voting on this right now

so the hearing was actually said at the

last council meeting well that's what I

thought yeah for me are we having a

second and a third reading on the idea

to try to get consensus Joe I'm trying

to get consensus as to whether we're

moving in the right direction and then

as already out on the fourth I believe

that's gonna be an agenda is that a

proper interpretation Scott yes mayor

Chris Johansen

we won't have the final documents for

everything on May 4th but the plan will

allow the CDBG and ESG funds to move

forward in that respect we will you just

be distributing this money is it after

May 4th or is it before May 4th after

much much after May 4th because there's

a lot of details that still work out

okay do we have a time line of how much

after this is going to be well so one of

the details on the small business grant

is that we would need a two-week window

potentially for the applications and

then obviously reviewing those

applications so I wouldn't I would see

the small business grants being

available in June well I mean I think

misses did you're pointed out that I

mean they're going to need money to get

reopen and get get going and if the

governor opens up even at 50% in two

weeks we're not being much of a help to

anyone at that point for a small

business so I just wondering why we're

we're not voting on it now and I mean if

we could come to a consensus why aren't

we voting on it now and then you can

start taking the application two weeks

people can start having some money and

we can start feeding people instead of

waiting to feed them in June I mean if

you want to make it over people's lives

let's make an impact on their lives so

the emergency food can move quicker when

I think that's more question how quickly

the logistics can come together mr. Dell

spoke to that a little bit but is that

June also Scott can we come to the

concerns boat on this tonight and get

get it moving we can get the more

details for the small business as Josh

pointed out there is many questions and

I agree with him that we need some

questions answered but as far as feeding

people I'd like to see an immediate

impact to to help

eat yeah so I don't have the funds we

don't we would be reimbursed

reimbursement and so we're gonna have to

cash flow the the programs and be

reimbursed with the CDBG funds okay the

May 4th I mean getting I guess I would

have to to have those conversations with

Michelle and others on the food ok I'm

in consensus to what we talked about for

the last hour about it I mean I think

there's some great questions raised but

I mean if we're going to talk about it

for another honor I'm a fourth yeah I'll

make the motion to move it with some of

the changes that we made can we just

vote or and then we can talk about it on

May 4th again well let me just say that

with the consensus of the council we're

gonna move as quickly as we can okay and

so that's why I was asking for every

every council member to to speak to it

but I think I think we'll have enough

direction from councillors a little bit

quickly at that what I would be in

agreement if you take $250,000 and put

it in the emergency fund of the food

relief okay that's what we needed to

know okay that's that's what I'm in

agreement with there that's my consensus

and expedited as quickly as possible

okay okay where are we on the the poll I

just need to go to you your honor yes

and we have seven in consensus to miss

forward now right thank you all for the

input this is important work and it's

got I think you got the message that you

want to move it is expeditiously as

possible and I want to thank Deidre and

Cameron for their and put on this as

well and please stay engaged in this

gonna need all the support we can get

from the whole community there's a hand

up it's Deidre Deidre go ahead

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Deidre I'm gonna hit you and unmute you

don't hit at the same time okay there

you go

she muted ourselves well we're hitting

the same time there can you hear me I

just want to thank you all for the time

one of the things that we didn't go

through our entire program but we can

potentially go through it look on May

4th if necessary but our program is up

and running like I said we've already

received over 400 applications but these

four applications over the weekend and

our fiscal agent Iowa community capital

is a CDFI and so we can receive those

funds at any point in time to start

dispersing to communities throughout the

city of joy Thank You Carl one final

point yes could we reach consensus that

Joe Gatto did some really great work and

all the other partners in this that was

stirring so yep great job thanks for

being it was it was humbling let me tell

you shows the need yeah it does well I

don't think we need to take a vote on I

think you got seven attaboys there Joe

so thank you Carl

let your partners at Elder and your

others Mel so I will thank you the right

well thank you all very much and let's

give everybody an attaboy

I appreciate the all of our staff now

certainly our frontline workers that are

helping our citizens every single day

and from police and fire to Public Works

to Parks and you

all the people that are on the phone and

participated in all of our work so thank

you to each and every one of you and if

somebody can give us a motion why don't

we have it to adjourn this meeting I'll

move them all in favor say aye

any opposition thank you all

good nice talk shifty thank you bye-bye

be safe I can't wait to see everyone

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