Response to 23 Questions - Part 65 - Singing and Music ( Ghina aur Moseeqi ) - Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
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0:01 - 0:05Response to 23 Questions Part- 65 Singing
and Music, Episode- 8 Javed Ahmed Ghamidi -
0:12 - 0:14[Hassan Ilyas] Bismillahir Rahmanir
Rahim, As Salam Alaikum -
0:14 - 0:16Welcome to yet another Session of
'From the Desk of Ghamidi'. -
0:16 - 0:19The chain of discussions continues
on the 23 Objections. -
0:19 - 0:21Today is the 65th Episode
of that Series. -
0:21 - 0:24The important objection on
Singing and Music is under debate. -
0:24 - 0:26And today we are about to begin
the 8th Session on this particular topic. -
0:26 - 0:28Thank you very much
Ghamidi Sahab for your time. -
0:28 - 0:32Let us start, the Narrations that
you were stating in the last session -
0:32 - 0:36and we were trying to know that all
that is found in the corpus of Hadees -
0:36 - 0:39with reference to Singing and Music,
from those Narrations -
0:39 - 0:41which according to
the Chain of Narrations -
0:41 - 0:45are of the level of Sahih or Hasan.
We read each and every Narration -
0:45 - 0:48and the introduction which you stated,
after understanding it from the Quran, -
0:48 - 0:52that actually it is the use of things
which turns them as forbidden. -
0:52 - 0:54The basis of which is
present in Surah Aaraf, -
0:54 - 0:56which are those 5 things.
There isn't any explicit mention -
0:56 - 0:59of the Prohibition of Singing and Music.
Those too are being applied -
0:59 - 1:01in each and every Narration
by us to understand the correct situation. -
1:01 - 1:03Please go ahead and tell us
where do we stand -
1:03 - 1:05with respect to the chain
of Narrations? -
1:05 - 1:08What is the next narration?
And what actually is discussed therein? -
1:08 - 1:11[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] We have
read 15 Narrations before this. -
1:11 - 1:15This is the 16th, its text has been
taken from Sahih Bukhari as well. -
1:15 - 1:18Its number is 952.
[Hassan] Right. -
1:18 - 1:20[Ghamidi] I am just reading the
translation. -
1:20 - 1:26Sayyeda Ayesha says Abu Bakr R.A.
came to my house. -
1:26 - 1:28He was her respected father.
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1:28 - 1:30Abu Bakr R.A. came to my house.
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1:30 - 1:35At that moment two slave-girls
from Ansar were playing the 'Daf' -
1:35 - 1:38and singing the song which
the Ansar had sung for each other -
1:38 - 1:41on the day of the Battle of Buaas.
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1:41 - 1:45Generally, there used to be the
slave-girls who would sing songs. -
1:45 - 1:48They used to sing in gatherings
as well as in houses. -
1:48 - 1:52At that moment two slave-girls
from Ansar were playing the 'Daf' -
1:52 - 1:55and singing the song which
the Ansar had sung for each other -
1:55 - 1:57on the day of the Battle of Buaas.
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1:57 - 2:04The Prophet (pbuh) had covered his face
with a cloth and was taking rest. -
2:04 - 2:07i.e. those slave-girls were singing
and playing the Daf too, -
2:07 - 2:12Sayyeda was listening to it, the
Prophet (pbuh) was taking rest -
2:12 - 2:16and he (pbuh) had covered
his face with a cloth. -
2:16 - 2:22The Prophet (pbuh) covering
his face was taking a rest, -
2:22 - 2:27however, neither did he say anything
to them nor he was stopping them. -
2:27 - 2:30i.e. it did not happen that he
expressed some dislike -
2:30 - 2:33or drew the attention of Sayyeda,
or had stopped them from doing this. -
2:33 - 2:36They were singing and playing
the 'Daf' as well. -
2:36 - 2:39Sayyeda was listening to it, the
Prophet (pbuh) was present there too. -
2:39 - 2:42However, he did not utter
any sentence of objection. -
2:42 - 2:46And neither did he adopt an
attitude of objection. -
2:46 - 2:49However, neither did he say anything to
them nor did he stop them. -
2:49 - 2:53Sayyeda says that both those slave-girls
weren't professional singers. -
2:53 - 2:56i.e. one should not think that
they were professional singers -
2:56 - 3:01who had been called and they
were displaying their Art there. -
3:01 - 3:06Like the slave-girls usually sang
in houses and elsewhere too. -
3:06 - 3:09Such were these two
slave-girls from Ansar -
3:09 - 3:12who had been playing
the Daf and singing that song. -
3:12 - 3:16When Abu Bakr R.A. saw this,
he said astonishingly, -
3:16 - 3:21"In the house of the Prophet (pbuh)
such Satanic instruments of music!" -
3:21 - 3:24i.e. Syedna Siddique R.A.
made this comment on it. -
3:24 - 3:27Now you see, probably
he must have thought -
3:27 - 3:30that the Prophet ( pbuh)
was unaware of it. -
3:30 - 3:33Or he (pbuh) is taking rest and
possibly is asleep. -
3:33 - 3:35Or he did not pay attention to it.
So he said, -
3:35 - 3:41"In the house of the Prophet (pbuh)
such Satanic instruments of music!" -
3:41 - 3:47Sayyeda says that it was the day of Eid.
When the Prophet (pbuh) heard this, -
3:47 - 3:51he uncovered his
face (pbuh) and said, -
3:51 - 3:53"Abu Bakr let these girls sing,
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3:53 - 3:56every nation has an Eid
and it is the day of our Eid." -
3:56 - 3:58[Hassan] SubhanAllah, okay.
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3:58 - 4:03[Ghamidi] Just imagine the way
the Prophet has conveyed these teachings. -
4:03 - 4:06i.e. the religious mentality becomes
sensitive about these things. -
4:06 - 4:09It should come on
to the right equilibrium. -
4:09 - 4:12It should learn to see things
in their proper context and place. -
4:12 - 4:16It should become aware what
is the context of something? -
4:16 - 4:19On what occasion a certain
activity is not just permitted, -
4:19 - 4:23rather, it should be done.
That the human nature demands it. -
4:23 - 4:28When the Prophet (pbuh) heard this,
he uncovered his face and said, -
4:28 - 4:34"Abu Bakr let these girls sing,
every nation has an Eid -
4:34 - 4:37and this is the day of our Eid".
-
4:37 - 4:43"So when Abu Bakr R.A. attended to
other things then I waved at the girls, -
4:43 - 4:46hence both of them left the place".
[Hassan] Who had waved? -
4:46 - 4:47[Ghamidi] Sayyeda,
Sayyeda says that -
4:47 - 4:54this wasn't liked by her father, so
in spite of this comment -
4:54 - 4:58from the Prophet (pbuh) she didn't want
this to continue, -
4:58 - 5:02so she hinted to the girls,
hence they obviously left the place. -
5:02 - 5:04This is the Narration.
Now you see, -
5:04 - 5:08when Syedna Abu Bakr said,
"In the House of the Prophet (pbuh) -
5:08 - 5:13these Satanic instruments of music",
I have written a note on it. -
5:13 - 5:15This comment has been made
-
5:15 - 5:17in consideration of the
use of musical instruments, -
5:17 - 5:23in the era of Pagan Arabia which
we see day and night even in our times. -
5:23 - 5:26What is being played here?
Daf is being played here. -
5:26 - 5:34He has categorized the Daf within the
definition of musical instruments. -
5:34 - 5:37With this, it becomes clear that
Daf is no different -
5:37 - 5:40from the class of musical instruments.
[Hassan] An important point. -
5:40 - 5:42[Ghamidi] i.e. like the other
instruments of music, -
5:42 - 5:45this too is among the
instruments of music. -
5:45 - 5:49He did not like it, and from
what aspect did he not like them? -
5:49 - 5:52That even if it is
a permissible activity, -
5:52 - 5:54then how can it be done inside the
house of the Prophet (pbuh)? -
5:54 - 5:57And what was the point
towards which the Prophet (pbuh) -
5:57 - 5:59drew his attention?
Whether, it is my house -
5:59 - 6:02or of somebody else',
these activities also have a place, -
6:02 - 6:05and how was it elaborated?
Today is the day of Eid, -
6:05 - 6:08every nation has a day of Eid.
Today is our Eid. -
6:08 - 6:11If there is some singing and music,
some entertainment is being done, -
6:11 - 6:14then there should not
be any objection to it. -
6:14 - 6:17This point was focused on
by the Prophet (pbuh). -
6:17 - 6:19This comment has been made
in consideration of the -
6:19 - 6:22use of musical instruments,
among the pagan Arabs, -
6:22 - 6:26which we see day and
night even in our times. -
6:26 - 6:28This term is there in multiple places
in the Narrations that -
6:28 - 6:32these are Satanic instruments or
these are the voices of Satan, -
6:32 - 6:35This term has been used in
multiple places in the Narrations, -
6:35 - 6:39in consideration of this aspect, since
their general use is not seen as good, -
6:39 - 6:43and it is thought that
this is a nocturnal party, -
6:43 - 6:46these are played there,
and slave-girls sing there, -
6:46 - 6:50and they use all sort of couplets.
Since these activities are common -
6:50 - 6:53and the pious do
not generally like them. -
6:53 - 6:56Hence Syedna Siddique said
this in consideration of the same. -
6:56 - 6:59[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] The Prophet (pbuh), -
6:59 - 7:05i.e. the personality like Syedna Siddique
said this, the Prophet made it clear -
7:05 - 7:11from his action that none among
these in essence is forbidden. -
7:11 - 7:13Now you see what in
essence is not forbidden? -
7:13 - 7:16Singing, in essence, is not forbidden.
One point. -
7:16 - 7:19Even the singing of the girls
in essence is not forbidden. -
7:19 - 7:22If you listen to their
singing, and you are a male -
7:22 - 7:24then this too, in essence,
is not forbidden. -
7:24 - 7:28And it was also made clear along
with it that the Daf was being played, -
7:28 - 7:31obviously, it is among the common
instruments for music, -
7:31 - 7:35hence singing along with the instruments
of music is also not forbidden. -
7:35 - 7:38Hence, with his practice, all this
was clarified by the Prophet (pbuh). -
7:38 - 7:40The Prophet made it clear from
his action that -
7:40 - 7:43none among these,
in essence, is forbidden. -
7:43 - 7:48It is their good or bad use,
which at times becomes -
7:48 - 7:52the cause of forbiddance, permissibility
or their recommendation. -
7:52 - 7:55This is the aspect to which I am
repeatedly drawing attention to. -
7:55 - 7:59i.e. it becomes the reason
for Prohibition when these instruments -
7:59 - 8:04or a good voice is used for the
propagation of some evil. -
8:04 - 8:07Like for the propagation of Shirk,
like for the propagation of Bid'aat. -
8:07 - 8:10Like for the propagation
of Fawahish (Vulgarity). -
8:10 - 8:13When we will use it for wrong ends then
the forbiddance will be there too. -
8:13 - 8:16The warning would also be made.
Attention would also be drawn. -
8:16 - 8:18There would be a harsh
comment made as well. -
8:18 - 8:20And a personality like
Syedna Siddique or -
8:20 - 8:24Syedna Umar would also
use such words for it. -
8:24 - 8:27That should be understood
in this background as well. -
8:27 - 8:31The Prophet (pbuh)
has taught to differentiate -
8:31 - 8:37between their good and evil use,
after that, it is obvious that -
8:37 - 8:40Syedna Abu Bakr would not have
further held on to this opinion. -
8:40 - 8:43i.e. it can't happen
that even after this event, -
8:43 - 8:46Syedna Siddique would have
remained firm on that opinion of his. -
8:46 - 8:49That under all conditions
these are Satanic instruments. -
8:49 - 8:52A statement was made by him.
The Prophet (pbuh) drew attention -
8:52 - 8:55towards the other aspect,
in his presence, this attention was drawn. -
8:55 - 8:58Daf was being played too.
The song was being sung too. -
8:58 - 9:01And who was playing
Daf and singing songs? -
9:01 - 9:03The girls were doing it.
-
9:03 - 9:08Now, just try to look at these concepts
in the religious backdrop of ours. -
9:08 - 9:12Each one among these has been
approved by the Prophet (pbuh). -
9:12 - 9:16And it was appreciated
that it was the day of Eid, -
9:16 - 9:18if such activities are done
on the day of Eid, -
9:18 - 9:20then in accordance with the
occasion and context -
9:20 - 9:22these are quite suitable activities.
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9:22 - 9:24[Hassan] Right. A few minor questions
related to this Narration come to mind, -
9:24 - 9:28I wish to present them to you.
Please tell me about this first thing, -
9:28 - 9:29of all the Narrations that have come
under discussion, -
9:29 - 9:32among them, the singers
are the slave-girls, -
9:32 - 9:37so I would wish to ask you
that this activity in that culture -
9:37 - 9:41was not considered a
respectable profession that the elite -
9:41 - 9:45and the nobles would adopt as a career
which we see in the present times -
9:45 - 9:49which we term as the artistic mindset,
and it commands a lot of respect. -
9:49 - 9:52Was this activity of singing and playing
of music confined just to the slave-girls -
9:52 - 9:55or that class that was not so
much respected in society? -
9:55 - 9:58[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] The point is that
these too were human beings. -
9:58 - 9:59If they were slave-girls,
they were women as well. -
9:59 - 10:02If they were slaves,
they constituted men only. -
10:02 - 10:06However, these were the people
who had to provide service. -
10:06 - 10:09These were the ones to work in fields,
guide the caravans. -
10:09 - 10:12In the same way,
for the means of entertainment, -
10:12 - 10:14a certain type of training
and perseverance is required. -
10:14 - 10:18So they were the ones to
provide such services. -
10:18 - 10:21Other than these there is a mention
of certain other things. -
10:21 - 10:25i.e. when we read the history,
or poetry or literature of Arab, -
10:25 - 10:28then many other people too,
including the womenfolk -
10:28 - 10:31of respected families are
seen to have shown keenness for it. -
10:31 - 10:35However, it is mostly seen that these
slave-girls used to sing and play music. -
10:35 - 10:39They were the ones to enliven the parties.
And when they would come to homes, -
10:39 - 10:46they generally liked to play
the Daf or Sing some songs. -
10:46 - 10:50And since their songs were the result
of their practice and perseverence, -
10:50 - 10:52they knew the art of playing
the music and singing, -
10:52 - 10:56so the people liked their performances.
These are all the aspects. -
10:56 - 10:59[Hassan] One more aspect,
Ghamidi Sahab, which I am bringing forth -
10:59 - 11:02is that generally, when such
Narrations are presented, -
11:02 - 11:07then it is said, in that era
when they used to sing and play, -
11:07 - 11:11the people had great virtues,
Godliness, sincerity, humility, -
11:11 - 11:13and fear of God was so much
that in spite of all this, -
11:13 - 11:16their heart wasn't inclined towards it.
In today's age -
11:16 - 11:18when we see the deplorable condition
of Iman of people, -
11:18 - 11:20then we would stop people
on the principle of -
11:20 - 11:22'Saddan li-zariya',
so that we do not get at all -
11:22 - 11:24inclined to hear the voice of a girl.
-
11:24 - 11:25Once we hear the voice
we shall get mesmerized by her, -
11:25 - 11:27and which will finally
lead to wrong temptations. -
11:27 - 11:30Therefore it was okay for that period,
their Iman was of such level, -
11:30 - 11:31In the present age,
we have to bar it -
11:31 - 11:33on the principle of Sadd-e Zariya
(things which lead to Evil). -
11:33 - 11:35[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi]
There are two points of it. -
11:35 - 11:38The first point is that those people
who are quite superior -
11:38 - 11:41with regard to 'Taqwa' or for those
-
11:41 - 11:46who do not possibly fear this, they
should then listen with more fervor! -
11:46 - 11:49Both things should happen.
Since the Prophet (pbuh) has heard it. -
11:49 - 11:52So that should surely be followed?!
The second point is that -
11:52 - 11:55the principle of Sadd-e Zariya
(stopping from that which leads to Evil) -
11:55 - 11:58does not follow the mechanism that
something, in essence, is not forbidden, -
11:58 - 12:00and we declare it as forbidden.
-
12:00 - 12:03Here the attention is drawn
in the same manner that -
12:03 - 12:06this particular thing is
completely permissible, -
12:06 - 12:11however, if you indulge too much in it,
it may result in the following evils. -
12:11 - 12:13[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] This we tell our children, -
12:13 - 12:16those are common things of play, there
may not be any debate about them. -
12:16 - 12:19If we spend more time in it,
the studies would be affected. -
12:19 - 12:21You won't be able to
dedicate yourself to work. -
12:21 - 12:24There are so many
of our pastimes regarding which -
12:24 - 12:25we keep giving such warnings.
-
12:25 - 12:28However, we never say that
in essence, these are Prohibited. -
12:28 - 12:32Aren't you aware that generally when
kids are getting their schooling, -
12:32 - 12:36then if we see them reading even
a novel, or reading a common book, -
12:36 - 12:39then we draw their attention to focus
on books prescribed in the syllabus, -
12:39 - 12:41read those books.
Hence for each activity, -
12:41 - 12:43there is an appropriate
time and context, -
12:43 - 12:47which are taken into
consideration while doing it. -
12:47 - 12:51Then again, if we stop people
from it, will they stop? -
12:51 - 12:54i.e. if you keep persuading them
to the right attitude and nature -
12:54 - 12:57then they will be trained in the right
manner. If you tell them that -
12:57 - 13:00you will have to take care
of the following drawbacks -
13:00 - 13:02then they would keep
those points in memory. -
13:02 - 13:06They will thus control themselves.
So I am against the idea that for -
13:06 - 13:11Sadd-e Zariya, if we adopt such
strictness then society would be reformed. -
13:11 - 13:16Let us move further on, were all the
Sahaba (Companions) of the same level? -
13:16 - 13:19i.e. they comprised the
Baddu (Bedouins) as well. -
13:19 - 13:21They would come from
the adjoining areas too. -
13:21 - 13:25Did the Prophet made any such
announcement for them and said -
13:25 - 13:30that in my gathering, it's okay
for these people not to treat -
13:30 - 13:34these things on the principle
of Sadd-e Zariya, however, -
13:34 - 13:36you people should
remain aloof from it -
13:36 - 13:39as you people do not possess
that 'Taqwa', and Godliness. -
13:39 - 13:41i.e. Iman has not yet
entered their hearts, -
13:41 - 13:44i.e. there is a group that has
accepted Iman, -
13:44 - 13:46and these comments of the
Quran pertain to them. -
13:46 - 13:48You people should be careful about it.
-
13:48 - 13:51This wasn't the methodology
adopted by the Prophet (pbuh). -
13:51 - 13:54And I would humbly submit
that our Ulema too -
13:54 - 13:56should rectify themselves in this matter.
-
13:56 - 13:58[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] The methodologies and attitudes -
13:58 - 14:03adopted by the Prophet (pbuh),
are the exemplary attitudes for us. -
14:03 - 14:05Those only should always
be kept in consideration. -
14:05 - 14:09Exceeding those, whatever we will do,
will in one way or the other -
14:09 - 14:12lead to some problems.
Hence we should have the right stand. -
14:12 - 14:17All Fine Arts relate to beauty, that
all Fine Arts are completely Permissible. -
14:17 - 14:20Nothing in them,
in essence, is Prohibited. -
14:20 - 14:22It is their use,
or their overuse, -
14:22 - 14:25where at times some negative
comments are to be made. -
14:25 - 14:28[Hassan] Right, Ghamidi Sahab, let us
take the discussion along. -
14:28 - 14:30This aspect became clear
with reference to the Narration. -
14:30 - 14:32I would like you to go ahead
with the next Narration -
14:32 - 14:33and tell us as to
what is discussed there? -
14:33 - 14:36[Ghamidi] The next Narration which
I am about to read, -
14:36 - 14:40I have taken its text from
Nasai's As Sunan ul Kubra, -
14:40 - 14:44its number is 5539.
[Hassan] Right. -
14:44 - 14:49[Ghamidi] I am readings its translation.
Aamir Bin Saad Bajli narrates, -
14:49 - 14:53'He says that in one marriage ceremony, I
sat near Karza Bin Kaab, Abu Masud Ansari -
14:53 - 15:01and Sabit Bin Zaid, when I saw some
girls were playing the Daf and singing. -
15:01 - 15:06I said, "Subhanallah, you all
are the Companions of the Prophet (pbuh), -
15:06 - 15:08rather the participants
of the Battle of Badr, -
15:08 - 15:10and all this is happening
right under your nose". -
15:10 - 15:12[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] You see, -
15:12 - 15:15the religious mentality
of today's age, -
15:15 - 15:20like in the case of Sadd-e Zariya,
it becomes excessively strict, -
15:20 - 15:25or indulgence in these things
are considered against the religion. -
15:25 - 15:27Such people existed even in those times.
-
15:27 - 15:31Aamir Bin Saad Bajli narrates,
'he says that in one marriage ceremony -
15:31 - 15:37I sat near Karza Bin Kaab,
Abu Masud Ansari and Sabit Bin Zaid, -
15:37 - 15:40when I saw, and who are these people
he himself has told ahead, -
15:40 - 15:44that some girls were playing
the Daf and singing, -
15:44 - 15:45"I said, Subhanallah,
-
15:45 - 15:50you all are the Companions
of the Prophet (pbuh) -
15:50 - 15:52rather the participants
of the Battle of Badr". -
15:52 - 15:54"And all this is taking place
right under your nose!" -
15:54 - 15:57Karza and Abu Masud
started saying, -
15:57 - 16:00if you wish to, then you may
listen to this with us, -
16:00 - 16:02and if you do not
wish to you may leave. -
16:02 - 16:04For the reason, we have been
given permission -
16:04 - 16:07for singing and playing of music
during marriages -
16:07 - 16:10and crying on the dead. if the 'Nauha'
(Wailing) is not done in it. -
16:10 - 16:13[Hassan] Subhanallah.
[Ghamidi] Therefore, he told him -
16:13 - 16:16leave aside the rest of the time,
there can be a debate on it, -
16:16 - 16:19however, on occasions of marriages,
we have seen that -
16:19 - 16:23the Prophet has advised for it.
In the same way, if some one has died, -
16:23 - 16:26has departed the world, then
the expressions of human emotions -
16:26 - 16:31happens in the form of crying.
So he warned that -
16:31 - 16:34the Prophet (pbuh) has stopped us
from doing wailing, -
16:34 - 16:36however, he hasn't stopped crying.
Similarly, -
16:36 - 16:40if these activities become rampant,
or their misuse takes place, -
16:40 - 16:42people start going daily
to the gatherings of slave-girls, -
16:42 - 16:47or to the night parties, then there is a
scope for barring them from this. -
16:47 - 16:50It is the occasion of marriage,
and you say such things. -
16:50 - 16:53"If you do not feel like listening to it,
then go and do your work", -
16:53 - 16:56"we have the permission
of the Prophet (pbuh) for it". -
16:56 - 16:57This was said by them.
-
16:57 - 17:03The words 'like the companions of the
Prophet, the participants of Badr', -
17:03 - 17:05and all this is taking
place in front of them. -
17:05 - 17:07On this, I have written,
-
17:07 - 17:10'Why would this question arise
with regard to Singing and Music?' -
17:10 - 17:14i.e. what is the reason that even
Syedna Siddique too said this? -
17:14 - 17:18The slave- girl adopted this attitude
on seeing Syedna Umar -
17:18 - 17:21in front of the Prophet (pbuh)?
Which we have read earlier. -
17:21 - 17:24Why this question would arise
with regard to Singing and Music? -
17:24 - 17:28We have elaborated earlier
that just like in our age, -
17:28 - 17:33its use in that era too, now
note here, what was it? -
17:33 - 17:37Its use, similar to our age
its use in that era too -
17:37 - 17:40was mostly for the
propagation of polytheistic concepts -
17:40 - 17:43and for the propagation
of Fawahish (Vulgarity). -
17:43 - 17:47We have commented
earlier that if we look into our own time, -
17:47 - 17:52this wrong use can be
experienced in multiple places. -
17:52 - 17:56The issues relating to its indulgence,
that we see every day as well. -
17:56 - 18:00We experience them,
like the way, in the present times, -
18:00 - 18:03we often have to emphatically
and strictly draw attention -
18:03 - 18:08in those times too, due to
its misuse, or overuse, -
18:08 - 18:10such comments would
come forth by the people. -
18:10 - 18:13Why this question would arise
with regard to Singing and Music? -
18:13 - 18:17We have elaborated it earlier,
that like in our times, -
18:17 - 18:21in those times too, its use was mostly for
the propagation of polytheistic concepts -
18:21 - 18:23and for the propagation
of Fawahish (Vulgarity). -
18:23 - 18:26The word 'Rukhsat' (Leave)
in the Narrations -
18:26 - 18:28have been spoken
with this consideration. -
18:28 - 18:32Since this was its general use, then is it
the case that we will not use it at all? -
18:32 - 18:34So the word 'Rukhsat'
given implies that -
18:34 - 18:38if the content is good,
if there isn't any defect in the song, -
18:38 - 18:41if the occasion is such,
-
18:41 - 18:46if such overuse isn't there
that even the Salah or Sawm is hampered, -
18:46 - 18:50and the religious life is completely
ruined then there isn't any harm in it. -
18:50 - 18:55In every language, we can find
examples for such use of words. -
18:55 - 18:59The condition of 'Marriages'
in this sentence is to convey -
18:59 - 19:03that in general, the business of
our lives, i.e. he has replied to him, -
19:03 - 19:06i.e. the word 'Marriages' is used.
-
19:06 - 19:10In normal circumstances, our having
been busy could, in some aspect, -
19:10 - 19:13have been objectionable, however,
on this occasion of happiness, -
19:13 - 19:14its possibility is also not there.
-
19:14 - 19:18For the reason that the
Prophet (pbuh) himself on this occasion -
19:18 - 19:20and for the same reason
has permitted it. -
19:20 - 19:22Therefore he has stated
the complete point. -
19:22 - 19:25That this, in essence,
is not something prohibited. -
19:25 - 19:28Its use can definitely be
for the wrong purposes. -
19:28 - 19:32If you have any worry,
you may not sit here and may leave. -
19:32 - 19:35If we had been busy in Normal
circumstances in this activity, -
19:35 - 19:38and you had felt that while
shirking some religious responsibility -
19:38 - 19:40or exceeding our limits
this activity is being done, -
19:40 - 19:43then you could
have very well said this. -
19:43 - 19:46In times of marriages,
the Prophet has clearly allowed it. -
19:46 - 19:48So what is the reason
for objecting to it? -
19:48 - 19:49If you wish to sit you are welcome
-
19:49 - 19:51otherwise, you are free
to leave the place. -
19:51 - 19:53If you understand the proper
context of this sentence, -
19:53 - 19:56then it has been spoken in this meaning.
[Hassan] Right. -
19:56 - 20:00[Ghamidi] This leave or rather advise
for such occasions by the Prophet (pbuh) , -
20:00 - 20:02have been discussed earlier.
-
20:02 - 20:06i.e. the reference which he has given,
we have had read those Narrations. -
20:06 - 20:09[Hassan] Right. Okay. Ghamidi Sahab
the Narration which you read just now, -
20:09 - 20:11the point which you
stated in the note, -
20:11 - 20:13that the Sahaba are speaking
this from the aspect that -
20:13 - 20:17in normal circumstances
this could be worth condemning, -
20:17 - 20:20so why under normal conditions
should this be condemned? -
20:20 - 20:22i.e. the Sahaba have a special position,
-
20:22 - 20:25they have become a part of
the mission of Prophethood. -
20:25 - 20:27So in which aspect have
you written this point of -
20:27 - 20:29'Normal circumstance'
which could be worth condemning? -
20:29 - 20:31[Ghamidi] You see, a final narration would
also come up soon, -
20:31 - 20:34with that, you will have an idea
of the wrong uses of it -
20:34 - 20:36that were prevalent
among the Arabs. -
20:36 - 20:39The Prophet (pbuh) himself
has commented on its wrong use -
20:39 - 20:41and said that this was
a very shameful act. -
20:41 - 20:45Generally, such gatherings would be there.
Before this too, -
20:45 - 20:49you have heard that one
gathering had been arranged in Madinah -
20:49 - 20:55where Syedna Hamza had slashed
the humps of the she-camels of Ali R.A. -
20:55 - 20:59We have heard all this. Obviously,
this point is made with this backdrop. -
20:59 - 21:01Obviously, such gatherings
happen everywhere. -
21:01 - 21:04So the point of contention is that if
we are present in any such gathering -
21:04 - 21:06where from the look of it
we get a feeling that -
21:06 - 21:09this isn't the right place
for respectable people. -
21:09 - 21:12Or it is not such a place
for people to frequent -
21:12 - 21:16whom the Prophet (pbuh) has trained,
most of their time should pass -
21:16 - 21:19in the remembrance
and love of Allah. -
21:19 - 21:22So who are these people,
what is the context? -
21:22 - 21:25What city is it?
What sort of gatherings are usual here? -
21:25 - 21:28And if there is an over
indulgence in them, -
21:28 - 21:31then obviously there would have been
a reason to make a comment, -
21:31 - 21:36but this is an occasion of marriage,
why would you have any objection to it? -
21:36 - 21:39[Hassan] Please clarify another
aspect Ghamidi Sahab, -
21:39 - 21:41the conversation that is taking
place between two Sahaba, -
21:41 - 21:47and it is on the topic of Deen, and
if we apply it in the light of the Quran, -
21:47 - 21:49then that activity might
have been Prohibited -
21:49 - 21:51and might as well
have been stopped, -
21:51 - 21:53then this difference in the
understanding -
21:53 - 21:56and application of the
religion between two Sahaba, -
21:56 - 21:58with reference to it too,
please tell me what comes to light, -
21:58 - 22:02as it is generally said that if the
opinion of so and so Sahabi has come, -
22:02 - 22:04then it is the only
interpretation of Deen, -
22:04 - 22:07it is the most verified and
justified point of view, -
22:07 - 22:09there isn't anything further to say,
so we see that -
22:09 - 22:11for such an important issue,
and they are differing themselves. -
22:11 - 22:14[Ghamidi] I am repeatedly focussing
on the point that -
22:14 - 22:17this is not the right way
to understand Deen. -
22:17 - 22:20When you hear the opinion of a
Sahabi, or you listen to a Narration, -
22:20 - 22:23or if you come across some
comment of the Prophet (pbuh) -
22:23 - 22:27on a certain situation, and
deduced the complete Deen from it. -
22:27 - 22:29if you wish to form an opinion
regarding Deen, -
22:29 - 22:31then all these lengthy discussions
are for the purpose that -
22:31 - 22:33we should adopt
the correct way. -
22:33 - 22:36First of all, we should refer
to the Book of Allah -
22:36 - 22:40and check if this matter
has been discussed in the Book of Allah? -
22:40 - 22:44How has it been stated there?
If it relates to Prohibitions then -
22:44 - 22:47ascertain the principles
established with regard to 'Prohibitions. -
22:47 - 22:50I have stated those
things in great detail earlier. -
22:50 - 22:53Similarly, if something has
been issued as a Sunnah, -
22:53 - 22:56then first ascertain it,
as to what it actually is? -
22:56 - 23:00What is its backdrop?
In what place does the Quran hold it? -
23:00 - 23:02If it is not mentioned in the Quran,
-
23:02 - 23:06then how the Prophet (pbuh)
has promulgated it among the Muslims? -
23:06 - 23:09And how has it become a
part of their practice? -
23:09 - 23:12After learning all these things
we may refer to the Narrations. -
23:12 - 23:16When we refer to the Narrations too,
then look at not just a single Narration -
23:16 - 23:19or point, rather, by looking into
the general conduct. -
23:19 - 23:22The difference that you are seeing here,
neither is it the difference of Deen, -
23:22 - 23:25nor the difference in
the understanding of Deen. -
23:25 - 23:28It is a difference of temperament.
I have said earlier too, -
23:28 - 23:32that this trait is also found in
the personality of Syedna Umar R.A. -
23:32 - 23:36i.e. among some people there is
greater caution for such matters. -
23:36 - 23:39They don't even like to go
near means of entertainment. -
23:39 - 23:42This difference of temperament
should also be viewed with praise. -
23:42 - 23:45It should be preserved.
and what does it entail? -
23:45 - 23:51It entails that if I have a tendency to
go a little astray from the right path, -
23:51 - 23:55then some other elder would be there
to draw attention towards it. -
23:55 - 23:57And in this way, that balance
would remain -
23:57 - 23:59which is the beauty
characteristic of our Deen -
23:59 - 24:01for the reason that this Deen is
the Deen of Fitrah (Human Nature). -
24:01 - 24:02[Hassan] Right. Ghamidi Sahab,
the last aspect which came forth -
24:02 - 24:05of this Narration, I wish that you
briefly comment on it as well. -
24:05 - 24:08It is that if one point of view
is held as supreme for a Sahabi, -
24:08 - 24:10the Sahaba should not attend
such gatherings -
24:10 - 24:13even on the occasion of marriages,
however, -
24:13 - 24:15the life and attitude of
other Sahaba is that -
24:15 - 24:18if you hold it as a problem, then you
better leave this place, -
24:18 - 24:22if we hold it as being permissible,
then we should have the space, -
24:22 - 24:25let us carry it on.
We see that generally among us, -
24:25 - 24:28this imbalance is also noticed
that if I hold it as a vice, -
24:28 - 24:31then I wish to impose
the same on others. -
24:31 - 24:33However, the Sahaba here
teach us that if you hold it such -
24:33 - 24:35you may leave, while we do not
think it so we can carry it on. -
24:35 - 24:36[Ghamidi] This is the right attitude.
-
24:36 - 24:40Every person looks at things from his/her
own perspective. -
24:40 - 24:43There may be disagreement on
knowledge, understanding, application, -
24:43 - 24:46and as I have said, there may
be a difference of temperament. -
24:46 - 24:48We should take care of it.
In such instances, -
24:48 - 24:51we should not go about issuing
Fatwas as per our whims. -
24:51 - 24:54Our worst misfortune is that,
as a nation, once -
24:54 - 24:58we make an opinion about
something then we are not ready -
24:58 - 25:01to listen to another opinion
even in its context. -
25:01 - 25:05This is the reason that the judgments
are decreed among us in black and white. -
25:05 - 25:10However, there are many situations
in life that you place under grey areas. -
25:10 - 25:14i.e. those are the situations
where one tendency holds a position -
25:14 - 25:17while another tendency
too holds its own position. -
25:17 - 25:20There may be one opinion, and
there can be another opinion as well. -
25:20 - 25:22Dozens of times it has happened
that a comment is made -
25:22 - 25:26about a point so the people say, "Tell us
clearly what is right and what is wrong." -
25:26 - 25:31To the extent that at times
the same point is there, -
25:31 - 25:34however, from one angle it is
considered as right for someone, -
25:34 - 25:38and when viewed from some other's angle
then it will be considered as wrong. -
25:38 - 25:41For matters of life too, this opinion
has to be formed. -
25:41 - 25:44Hence according to me,
the attitude adopted by the Sahaba -
25:44 - 25:47also holds a lesson for us,
-
25:47 - 25:50that we should learn to
respect the opinions of others. -
25:50 - 25:54We should learn to put
our points of view with proper arguments. -
25:54 - 25:57While commenting on something
we should take into consideration -
25:57 - 26:00that we have heard something,
the other person has a completely -
26:00 - 26:02different take of the whole issue.
We should respect that. -
26:02 - 26:05With it, we will have an increase
in scholarly temperament. -
26:05 - 26:08A variegation in the ways
of thinking will take place. -
26:08 - 26:10There would be a living
and dynamic society. -
26:10 - 26:13The biggest mistake that we have
committed at our societal level is -
26:13 - 26:17that we haven't let the growth
of an environment for healthy criticism. -
26:17 - 26:20i.e. criticism, the criticism where
there isn't mockery or taunting. -
26:20 - 26:24Where there isn't any propaganda, where
there is no need to unclothe each other. -
26:24 - 26:28Where there is the expression of one's
opinions with politeness and decency. -
26:28 - 26:29And put forth its
arguments to the people. -
26:29 - 26:32[Hassan] This Narration is also clear.
It was an important Narration. -
26:32 - 26:36Many aspects of it came up. I wish you
to continue further with this chain. -
26:36 - 26:38Now tell us the next Narration
and what is being stated there? -
26:38 - 26:41[Ghamidi] Following this
is the Narration -
26:41 - 26:43which we have taken from
Musnad-e Is'haq Bin Ragawaih. -
26:43 - 26:49Its number is 624.
I am reading the translation. -
26:49 - 26:51Sayyeda Ayesha R.A. states that
-
26:51 - 26:58the Prophet (pbuh) heard
Abu Musa Ash'ari reciting the Quran. -
26:58 - 27:02The Quran is the Book of Allah,
the Prophet (pbuh) too used to read it. -
27:02 - 27:05The other Sahaba used to read it.
We too read it. -
27:05 - 27:09The Prophet (pbuh) heard
Abu Musa Ash'ari reciting the Quran. -
27:09 - 27:16He had a sweet melodious voice. And was
reciting the Quran sitting in the Masjid. -
27:16 - 27:18[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] When the Prophet (pbuh) -
27:18 - 27:21heard his recitation, he said,
"There isn't a doubt that this person -
27:21 - 27:24has been bestowed with
a harmony from among -
27:24 - 27:26the harmonies of
the family of Dawood'. -
27:26 - 27:29[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] This was the comment made -
27:29 - 27:31on his voice. With this,
it is also clear that -
27:31 - 27:34there isn't any difference
between voice and harmony. -
27:34 - 27:36Melodies come from the same place as voice
-
27:36 - 27:39That the people had made a difference
-
27:39 - 27:42among us is not valid.
It is merely playing with words. -
27:42 - 27:46The reality is when the voice
emanates from our vocal chords, -
27:46 - 27:52or from our tongues or our lips,
when the voice emanates, -
27:52 - 27:57and we beautify it assumes
the form of Singing. -
27:57 - 28:02And we enhance the beauty
of this voice through melody. -
28:02 - 28:05Hence this was the comment
on the recital of the Quran -
28:05 - 28:07of Syedna Abu Musa Ash'ari.
-
28:07 - 28:10i.e. as if he has been given a
musical harmony from David. -
28:10 - 28:13He does not recite the Quran
with a voice or a sweet voice, -
28:13 - 28:17it seems as if one of the chords
bestowed to the family of Dawood, -
28:17 - 28:19and it is spreading forth one of its
melodies. -
28:19 - 28:23There is a beautiful commentary
and a lot of eloquence in it. -
28:23 - 28:27I have written on it, "This is the
assertion of the Glory of God, -
28:27 - 28:30in the supplication
and prayers to Him, -
28:30 - 28:35hints towards the heart soothing
songs of Syedna Dawood A.S. -
28:35 - 28:40It is known that the Zuboor
(Psalms of David) are mostly hymns, songs -
28:40 - 28:43i.e. there are themes for the
Glorification of Allah, Dua, -
28:43 - 28:46and it has been revealed
in the form of Songs. -
28:46 - 28:50For the Glorification of God, in
his supplications and prayers to Him, -
28:50 - 28:54those heart-rendering songs of
Syedna Dawood A.S. are being hinted at -
28:54 - 28:57which he used to sing
in the most beautiful voice -
28:57 - 29:01along with musical instruments.
i.e. it is known about Dawood A.S. -
29:01 - 29:06and the Quran has stated it, and
nowhere has it been negated, -
29:06 - 29:10that the Jews have included
this music among themselves, -
29:10 - 29:12actually, he used to just
read them in a sweet voice. -
29:12 - 29:15If there is any such thing,
and it relates to a Prophet -
29:15 - 29:18then the experts of the Quran
know that it some way -
29:18 - 29:21or the other points to the fact
that this can't be accepted. -
29:21 - 29:26Nothing of this sort was done.
It points to those heart-rendering songs -
29:26 - 29:30which he i.e. Syedna Dawood A.S.
would sing in the most melodious voice -
29:30 - 29:31along with the
musical instruments. -
29:31 - 29:35This has been mentioned
in the Quran as well as in the Bible. -
29:35 - 29:39The Book with the name of 'Zuboor',
was the collection of these songs. -
29:39 - 29:44The Prophet (pbuh) has seen
his voice with appreciation, -
29:44 - 29:48gave reference to the
voice of Syedna Dawood A.S. -
29:48 - 29:52and the words that he chose for it,
there it was rhetorically indicated -
29:52 - 29:57whether it be the voice or music,
the thing which is important is the topic, -
29:57 - 30:02and the topic here is the Book of Allah,
so the Prophet (pbuh) has praised it. -
30:02 - 30:05He applauded his elegant voice,
there isn't something in it -
30:05 - 30:07where the Prophet (pbuh)
had said that in this way -
30:07 - 30:12you are actually attracting people,
read it in simple or plain words. -
30:12 - 30:14[Hassan] Right. One supplementary
point which comes to mind, -
30:14 - 30:16you have said that
it is there in the Quran -
30:16 - 30:21and it is mentioned in the Bible too,
that Syedna Dawood had such instruments, -
30:21 - 30:24when he used to recite, so those
instruments were also made use of, -
30:24 - 30:27then if there had been a
tradition with the Prophets -
30:27 - 30:29then in the whole life
of the Prophet (pbuh), -
30:29 - 30:33never do we see a single instance
when he himself had played something. -
30:33 - 30:37Therefore if it wasn't matching
with the dignity and grace of the Prophet, -
30:37 - 30:38then earlier too this
should have been the case. -
30:38 - 30:40And if was there then why it is not
seen with the Prophet (pbuh)? -
30:40 - 30:42[Ghamidi] There isn't any question
of respect and dignity -
30:42 - 30:44being associated with the
act of playing music. -
30:44 - 30:47Whenever a Prophet is made to
stand in this world by Allah (swt), -
30:47 - 30:50when he is appointed, then He
entrusts him with a responsibility, -
30:50 - 30:53He, according to the
responsibilities, is given the Book, -
30:53 - 30:58Guidance too is provided to them, and his
personality is also molded accordingly. -
30:58 - 31:01When we study the personalities
of the Prophets, -
31:01 - 31:04for example the personality
of Syedna Musa A.S. -
31:04 - 31:06The personality of Syedna
Dawood is very different. -
31:06 - 31:10The personalities of all the Prophets
are not from the same molds. -
31:10 - 31:12The high moral conduct,
-
31:12 - 31:15which the Prophet has termed as
Makarim-e Akhlaaq'. -
31:15 - 31:19All Prophets in their place are
glowing examples of that morality. -
31:19 - 31:22However, the nature,
disposition, temperaments -
31:22 - 31:25are quite different, rather the Books
that have been revealed by Allah (swt) -
31:25 - 31:27have very different styles.
-
31:27 - 31:30Hazrat Isa A.S. used
to talk in allegories. -
31:30 - 31:33You see so many beautiful
allegories are there in the Gospels. -
31:33 - 31:35Those are found in the Quran too.
-
31:35 - 31:37However, the Quran does
not abound with them. -
31:37 - 31:40Like the allegories,
we find in the Gospel. -
31:40 - 31:43Hence, every Prophet has his
own taste, own disposition, -
31:43 - 31:45there can't be an
argument based upon it. -
31:45 - 31:47[Hassan] Right, Ghamidi Sahab,
let us move ahead with this chain, -
31:47 - 31:48and let us know what
is the next Narration? -
31:48 - 31:50And what is discussed there?
-
31:50 - 31:52[Ghamidi] The Narration that follows
-
31:52 - 31:56is from Sahih Ibn-e Habban,
its number is 892. -
31:56 - 32:04Buraida Aslami R.A. states that he
entered a Masjid with the Prophet (pbuh). -
32:04 - 32:07He saw that a person while
making Dua is saying, -
32:07 - 32:12" Ya Allah, I ask you in
return for my witness that -
32:12 - 32:18There isn't any God except You.
The Only and the support for all, -
32:18 - 32:21Who neither has a
father nor any peer. -
32:21 - 32:25When the Prophet heard this he said,
"I swear by the Being -
32:25 - 32:30who holds control of my life,
he has really asked -
32:30 - 32:33in return for that great
attribute of Allah, -
32:33 - 32:37the attribute through which, if asked,
then He bestows -
32:37 - 32:40and if called through it,
then He hears it necessarily". -
32:40 - 32:43This was the comment
made by the Prophet (pbuh). -
32:43 - 32:44Then the Prophet saw a person
-
32:44 - 32:47sitting in the corner of the
Masjid and reciting the Quran. -
32:47 - 32:50i.e. first he saw that a
person is making a supplication. -
32:50 - 32:53Asking a Dua, there are some
words being uttered by him. -
32:53 - 32:55He appreciated those words.
-
32:55 - 32:58Then he saw a person sitting in
the corner of the Masjid -
32:58 - 33:03and reciting the Quran.
The Prophet said that there isn't a doubt -
33:03 - 33:05that he has been gifted
with the harmony -
33:05 - 33:08from among the harmonies
of the family of Dawood. -
33:08 - 33:12He was Abdullah Bin Qais. i.e. the
person reciting the Quran, who was he? -
33:12 - 33:15He was Abdullah Bin Qais, who
is called Abu Musa Ash'ari. -
33:15 - 33:18It seems probable that the Narration
that we read previously was very brief. -
33:18 - 33:20Here we have the details.
-
33:20 - 33:23Buraida says that
I asked the Prophet (pbuh), -
33:23 - 33:26O Messenger of Allah should I
convey this comment to him? -
33:26 - 33:30The Prophet said, "Yes go ahead".
Hence as I said to Abu Musa, -
33:30 - 33:35then he said in elation, that now
you are my friend forever. -
33:35 - 33:37Then he said that
if I had known that -
33:37 - 33:40the Prophet (pbuh)
is hearing my recital, -
33:40 - 33:43then I would have read it
much better than that. -
33:43 - 33:45[Hassan] Subhanallah.
[Ghamidi] Here you can see -
33:45 - 33:49both the things in the Narrations,
if some person has made a Dua, -
33:49 - 33:51and the words used
in the Dua are good, -
33:51 - 33:56proper references have been made,
if there is some part of the Quran that -
33:56 - 34:00has been read in it which really has
a connection with the topic, -
34:00 - 34:02then the Prophet (pbuh)
has appreciated that. -
34:02 - 34:05Here the Quran is being read,
its recitation is being done, -
34:05 - 34:08the voice is melodious, it is
being read with a sweet voice, -
34:08 - 34:12the Prophet (pbuh) praises it,
and the same words that -
34:12 - 34:14were mentioned earlier,
we see those here too, -
34:14 - 34:16and when he was made
aware of that praise, -
34:16 - 34:18he became extremely happy,
and he was so filled with ecstasy -
34:18 - 34:20that he went on to say that
had he knew -
34:20 - 34:22then he would have
read more harmoniously. -
34:22 - 34:29With a sweeter tone and melody.
The objective for telling this is -
34:29 - 34:35that for all such things the
Prophet has adopted this attitude. -
34:35 - 34:36Now, if some person asks that
-
34:36 - 34:40did the Prophet (pbuh) himself ever
sit and read it in that way or not? -
34:40 - 34:41It is not needed.
The Prophet (pbuh) -
34:41 - 34:44himself would read with a
lot of excellence, however, -
34:44 - 34:45the voice and style,
-
34:45 - 34:48the sweetness of the recital
of Abu Musa Ash'ari, -
34:48 - 34:52was highlighted by the Prophet (pbuh)
and even appreciated it. -
34:52 - 34:54[Hassan] Right Ghamidi Sahab.
[Ghamidi] After this, -
34:54 - 34:56the Narration which I am
presenting to you is from Sahih Bukhari. -
34:56 - 35:00Its number is 7544.
[Hassan] Right. -
35:00 - 35:05[Ghamidi] Abu Huraira R.A. states that
he heard the Prophet (pbuh) say, -
35:05 - 35:11that any Prophet of Allah, when he reads
the Quran with a sweet and loud voice, -
35:11 - 35:15then Allah (swt) listens to it
with an attention -
35:15 - 35:20He does not listen to anything else.
So what does this Narration tell? -
35:20 - 35:24i.e. if Abu Musa Ash'ari has read
the Quran with a nice voice, -
35:24 - 35:27so if you get to listen to it, then
you should applaud it too. -
35:27 - 35:31When the Prophet of Allah would listen
to it, then he too would appreciate it. -
35:31 - 35:34And here it was told that
the Lord of this universe -
35:34 - 35:38listens to it with attention as well.
That point which was said at an occasion, -
35:38 - 35:40when a person came
and said that -
35:40 - 35:45I like my shoes and dress
be very beautiful so it was said, -
35:45 - 35:47"Allahul Jameel Wa Yuhibbul Jamaal".
-
35:47 - 35:52'Allah Himself is beautiful
and He loves beauty and elegance too'. -
35:52 - 35:55Here it was told that
melodious sweet voice, -
35:55 - 36:00the voice which mesmerizes, like
the voice of Abu Musa Ash'ari. -
36:00 - 36:04Or of any other person, it wasn't
just that I liked this voice, -
36:04 - 36:06this voice should
be liked by all, -
36:06 - 36:10rather this voice is liked by
the Lord of this Universe. -
36:10 - 36:13So it implies that the things of
beauty created by Allah (swt), -
36:13 - 36:16are the favourite
things of Allah. -
36:16 - 36:22The beauty, elegance rather
the sense of the aesthetics of Allah -
36:22 - 36:27are manifested in those
things of beauty. -
36:27 - 36:29Hence these things should
never be looked down upon, -
36:29 - 36:32it implies that they should
never be considered with scorn. -
36:32 - 36:35i.e. it should not be thought as
to what difference does it make? -
36:35 - 36:37The Quran is the Book of Allah,
we have to read it. -
36:37 - 36:40When we read it we have to
actually receive guidance from it. -
36:40 - 36:43So what is the point in reading
it with a good voice? -
36:43 - 36:47So it was told that these are the aspects
of beauty, elegance, and adornment. -
36:47 - 36:52These have their own place. And it
is liked by me as well as by my Lord. -
36:52 - 36:54[Hassan] Right.
[Ghamidi] So with this aspect, -
36:54 - 36:58this Narration should be viewed.
After this, we have taken the Narration -
36:58 - 37:03from Musnad-e Ahmad,
its number is 13377. -
37:03 - 37:11Anas Bin Malik R.A. states that the
Prophet (pbuh) was in one of his journeys. -
37:11 - 37:17And along with him was a black young man,
whose name was Anjasha. -
37:17 - 37:21He had a good voice and would
accompany his wives -
37:21 - 37:23and sing songs
while driving the camels. -
37:23 - 37:25[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] I am presenting -
37:25 - 37:29these Narrations especially to you that
'women should not hear the voice of men', -
37:29 - 37:31'men should not hear
the voice of women', etc. -
37:31 - 37:34Look at what comes forth
in the light of these Narrations? -
37:34 - 37:37With this, the reality also
comes to be known that -
37:37 - 37:40the point stated with regard
to the Prophet's wives, -
37:40 - 37:44that too has a context.
I have had a detailed discussion on it. -
37:44 - 37:47Those people who have
inferred from it that -
37:47 - 37:49even the voice of a woman
is to be veiled, -
37:49 - 37:51they haven't really
understood the whole point. -
37:51 - 37:55That point wasn't made there at all.
There it was a specific situation, -
37:55 - 37:59an occasion where the Prophet's
wives have been instructed that -
37:59 - 38:02these hypocrites who
present themselves on your door. -
38:02 - 38:06They are up to different conspiracies,
and have mischief in their minds. -
38:06 - 38:09Be wary of them. From that,
the people deduced this! -
38:09 - 38:13Here you see, that the Prophet (pbuh),
is listening to women, slave-girls. -
38:13 - 38:16He goes on further to say
to Sayyeda Ayesha that -
38:16 - 38:18if you wish to hear
then she listens too. -
38:18 - 38:21Black men are singing too,
they are being listened to. -
38:21 - 38:23And here as well you see,
what are the words, -
38:23 - 38:26"He had a sweet voice,
his name was Anjasha, -
38:26 - 38:30a black young man, who
had a melodious voice, -
38:30 - 38:33and used to accompany the Prophet's
wives in the caravan -
38:33 - 38:36to sing and drive the camels.
Do you know what Hudi is? -
38:36 - 38:41These are the songs that are sung to
drive and speed up the camels. -
38:41 - 38:43Those are called Hudi.
-
38:43 - 38:46This word is also similarly
used in the Urdu language. -
38:46 - 38:50So he used to do 'Hudi-Khwaani'.
i.e. he used to sing such a song -
38:50 - 38:56that the camels would speed up.
And the journey would complete fast. -
38:56 - 39:01Hence, on an occasion, i.e.
he would accompany the Prophet's wives, -
39:01 - 39:04and sing to drive the camels,
hence on an occasion, -
39:04 - 39:06he really speeded up
the camels of the Caravan. -
39:06 - 39:08[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] i.e. he sang the Hudi, -
39:08 - 39:13and did it so well that the camels
of the caravan went on fast. -
39:13 - 39:19Anas R.A. says that when he was near
the Prophet and Anjasha he heard, -
39:19 - 39:23that the Prophet on seeing this said,
Alas, I feel sorry for you Anjasha -
39:23 - 39:27please go slow Anjasha, let these Aabgeens
(delicate vessels made of mud) move slowly -
39:27 - 39:31i.e. these are women folk.
See what a beautiful expression is it. -
39:31 - 39:33Let these 'Aabgeens' travel slowly,
-
39:33 - 39:36i.e. he meant that the women
are sitting on the camels, -
39:36 - 39:39and if you sing in this way,
and if the camels move on at this speed, -
39:39 - 39:42then there is a fear
that they might get harmed. -
39:42 - 39:44[Hassan] The comment has
been made on the speeding camels. -
39:44 - 39:45[Ghamidi] The comment
has been made on it. -
39:45 - 39:49However, he used to sing Hudi,
and would do so in a good voice. -
39:49 - 39:52He used to accompany the
Prophet's wives on the journey. -
39:52 - 39:56He used to sing Hudi and did his
job in such a wonderful voice, -
39:56 - 39:58that the camels would
start moving speedily. -
39:58 - 40:01Here the Prophet said to him,
sing in a lower voice. -
40:01 - 40:05That you have such an exceptional power
to mesmerize with your voice, -
40:05 - 40:09that the camels do not pause at all,
they just race forward. -
40:09 - 40:13A little lower in voice as the camels
have delicate vessels on them. -
40:13 - 40:15And they might get harmed.
-
40:15 - 40:17[Hassan] This Narration Ghamidi
Sahab was quite exceptional. -
40:17 - 40:18It is well expounded.
-
40:18 - 40:20The time for this session
is also nearing its end. -
40:20 - 40:20I wish that you present
the last Narration for today. -
40:20 - 40:22And then we would
move towards the close. -
40:22 - 40:24This is the Narration
of Syedna Umar R.A. -
40:24 - 40:27and we have taken it
from Nasai's As Sunan ul Kubra. -
40:27 - 40:31Its number is 8193.
-
40:31 - 40:34Umar R.A. states, i.e. Syedna Umar,
-
40:34 - 40:37Umar Ibn-e Khattab R.A.
Umar R.A. states that -
40:37 - 40:41the Prophet (pbuh)
in one of his journeys, -
40:41 - 40:47said to Abdullah Bin Rawaha, would
you speed up our rides a little. -
40:47 - 40:50i.e. he himself requested
for singing the Hudi. -
40:50 - 40:52[Hassan] Okay.
[Ghamidi] When the camels -
40:52 - 40:55are journeying and the
cameleers are with them. -
40:55 - 40:57There are women
as well men among them. -
40:57 - 41:00And at times the camels slow down
a bit, -
41:00 - 41:03so the Prophet (pbuh) said
to Abdullah Bin Rawaha, -
41:03 - 41:08"Would you speed up our rides a little",
Abdullah replied, -
41:08 - 41:11"I have stopped with the singing of Hudi".
-
41:11 - 41:14On this Umar R.A. said,
"Listen and Obey". -
41:14 - 41:18You have stopped? What is this?
The Prophet (pbuh) has said. -
41:18 - 41:22You note the nature of
a person, how it manifests? -
41:22 - 41:27Umar said, "Listen and obey",
hence he sang these couplets. -
41:27 - 41:29"O Allah, had Your
Mercy not been there, -
41:29 - 41:31then we neither would
have received Guidance, -
41:31 - 41:34nor would have made charity.
Neither would we offer Salah, -
41:34 - 41:38so now bestow us with
your peace and keep us steadfast -
41:38 - 41:41in case of an encounter
with the enemy". -
41:41 - 41:44The original words
that are used in it are -
41:44 - 41:50"Allahumma Lawla Anta
Mahtadaina Wala Tassaddaqna -
41:50 - 41:56Wala Sallaina Fa Anzalan Sakinatan Ilaina
Was Sabbitul akdaama In Laa Kaina" -
41:56 - 42:00These were the couplets read by him,
I have read its translation to you. -
42:00 - 42:03When the Prophet (pbuh)
heard these pure words, -
42:03 - 42:08he said, "Ya Allah have Mercy upon him".
Umar R.A. immediately said -
42:08 - 42:10"Now the Mercy has
become compulsory!" -
42:10 - 42:12[Hassan] Subhanallah.
[Ghamidi] There are some -
42:12 - 42:16other aspects as well, i.e. how the
Sahaba used to see the Prophet (pbuh)? -
42:16 - 42:21What was the importance of a request of
the Prophet (pbuh) for Syedna Umar R.A. -
42:21 - 42:23And the point that if on any
occasion -
42:23 - 42:27the Prophet has blessed
someone with such a sentence, -
42:27 - 42:29then what was its
significance for them? -
42:29 - 42:32However, as of now, this aspect does
not relate to our topic. -
42:32 - 42:35Still, the real point
is clear even in this. -
42:35 - 42:37That such couplets were sung
-
42:37 - 42:40and the Prophet (pbuh) himself
had requested for them. -
42:40 - 42:42[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, all those
Narrations from the corpus of Hadees -
42:42 - 42:44where, with reference to
Singing and Music, -
42:44 - 42:47with some aspect or the other,
some point has been discussed -
42:47 - 42:49and those Narrations are
acceptable to us -
42:49 - 42:51with respect to their
Chain of Narrations, -
42:51 - 42:53i.e. either those are Sahih
or the level of Hasan. -
42:53 - 42:55We are exploring the whole
corpus of Hadees with you. -
42:55 - 42:58And the arguments that
you had pointed out -
42:58 - 42:59in the introductory Sessions,
-
42:59 - 43:02their applications are
also becoming clear in these. -
43:02 - 43:04A lot of newer aspects were
unraveled in Today's session. -
43:04 - 43:05I would wish that in the
next episode -
43:05 - 43:08all the Narrations would
be completed inshallah. -
43:08 - 43:11And after that a concise
and complete analysis that -
43:11 - 43:13the biographical recorda in history
have in them, about the Prophet (pbuh). -
43:13 - 43:16What aspects are stated
with reference to Singing and Music? -
43:16 - 43:18We have exhausted our time,
we shall again be at your service. -
43:18 - 43:21Thank you very much
for your time till now. -
43:21 - 43:22[Ghamidi] Thank you very much.
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