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Asma Jahangir Ki Samaji Khidmaat - Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

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    The contributions and influence of
    Asma Jehangir.
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    [Hassan Ilyas] First of all I would like
    to know your impressions about
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    a woman who is the pride of our nation
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    a defender of freedom of thoughts
    and of human rights
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    she struggled her entire life
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    fighting for justice
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    in the same way securing the rights
    of people to express their opinions
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    Ms. Asma Jahangir Sahiba
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    I would also like to say
    this in the beginning that
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    usually we have seen that religious people
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    who are interested in scholarly
    knowledge, thought and Deen
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    they do not remember and appreciate
    such personalities very much
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    such personalities come
    and leave this world
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    she is usually criticized for
    being a free thinking woman
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    however, I want to ask you that
    the services of Asma Jahangir
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    how do you view her thoughts and efforts
    in an constricted society like Pakistan's
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    and it was her death anniversary as well
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    if you can share your thoughts about her
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    [Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] This attitude
    which you have pointed out
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    is unfortunately present in both groups
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    that is, religious people
    overlook this aspect that
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    among the followers of
    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
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    or those who are related to him
    by faith
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    or those who call themselves Muslims
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    not all of them carry
    the same point of view
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    a lot of things have changed
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    ways of thinking have changed
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    the way religious people
    themselves have explained Deen
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    people's reaction to it is different
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    new ideas and new thoughts have also
    influenced many people's minds
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    but they are our brothers
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    and they our own people
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    individuals of our community
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    if they have carried out
    any service for humanity
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    for the country
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    for the nation
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    then instead of skirting dialogue with
    them on the issues of Deen and religion
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    or expressing our disagreements
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    we must recognize these services of theirs
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    so this is a shortcoming of
    religious people as well
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    and in our society the classes
    which call themselves liberal
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    they too in the matters of religious
    people face a similar situation
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    that is, such people who have not
    only made sacrifices for noble values
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    who have played a great role in politics
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    but their background was religious
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    or they were religious scholars
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    or they were people who were
    interested in matters of religion
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    to view them with respect to their
    overall personality
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    this class is also hesitant
    to view them as such
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    due to this reason it is
    a very important thing
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    and one should certainly
    draw attention to this
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    that we must keep
    all our relationships alive
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    one relationship takes birth
    from our home, our family, our community
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    if you look at Quran-e-Majeed
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    then how far it has taken
    that relationship or its honor
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    it says that your biggest
    relationship is with your parents
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    if they force you on any occasion
    that you must hold a partner to Allah
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    which is the biggest crime
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    so you won't obey them but you should
    not lack in good treatment towards them
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    this means that the relationship
    which was initiated
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    due to birth or descent
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    respect for that relationship
    in spite of this
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    where not only are they committing shirk
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    but they are also inciting
    you to commit shirk
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    even then in the matter of familial and
    social dealings and good manners,
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    you must not be lacking
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    this has been told; it means that the way
    in which this relationship is unshakeable
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    in the same way your relationship
    with your people, your nation
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    or the relationship
    with collective humanity
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    when you will look at the world and
    people around you with this broad mind
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    there will be disagreements
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    disagreements cannot end
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    there are so many disagreements
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    in interpretations among
    religious people themselves
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    that is, for the same matter sometimes
    you get three or five interpretations
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    the same situation occurs between
    people of the same school of thought
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    you can gather many schools of thought
    under the name ahl-e-sunnat
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    you can gather many under
    the head of ahl-e-tashayyu
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    you can put many under
    the name ahl-e-hadis
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    so you will get to know that among
    the followers of the same path
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    the kind of disagreements in some academic
    and some practical matters which they have
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    it is the same kind of situation with
    those who present themselves as Muslims
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    but who disagree with you
    and me on religious matters
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    because this situation
    is an actual reality
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    so what can be the right attitude to this?
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    the right attitude would be this
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    that those matters in which we disagree
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    we should express our disagreement
    with politeness and respect
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    never shut the door for dialogue on it
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    if you have to say something then say it
    with the same politeness and respect
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    make effort to change the mind
    and thought of people
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    even if there is any anxiety
    about Islam and its teachings
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    then make effort to clear it away
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    that is a separate task of ours
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    but as long as there is no such change
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    then can we overlook people's services
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    their personality and the
    values that they lived for
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    can we overlook them meanwhile?
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    so if you pay attention to our society
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    then the way in which
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    in personal lives
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    in individual matters
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    sometimes people have
    many extraordinary talents
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    you can find those talents in people
    from every school of thought
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    but there would be many other matters
    in which you would feel
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    that this is not the right point of view
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    this is not the right attitude
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    similarly in political matters
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    I have said this many times before
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    that four things hold extraordinary status
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    if the present times have
    given us any gift
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    then it is these four things
    in political matters
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    one is this
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    that a trust has taken birth in this world
    and it has achieved great significance
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    that the governments should run states
    on the foundations of democracy
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    this is a great event in human history
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    that is, you can look at it from any angle
    but there was no other way prior to this
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    that people must establish their
    rule with the force of sword
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    and capture people and nations
    through conquests
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    and after that nothing apart
    from despotism remained
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    and suppose that they
    chose a peaceful way
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    that way would have been of monarchy
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    so the institutions that
    were built for democracy
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    the way in which different
    constitutions were being made
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    the way in which a people's covenant
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    came to life as a reality
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    so this opened the path for us
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    to establish governments on
    the basis of people's opinion
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    in the same way the right of people
    to self-determination
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    this change came into the world after 1928
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    that is, it hasn't been a long time
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    even a hundred years
    have not been completed
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    otherwise, prior to this it used
    to be believed in the world that
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    if I had the strength and
    if I conquer any place
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    then it is my rightful government
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    but now this has been accepted that
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    neither the governments
    based on conquests are lawful
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    and nor can you violate the right to
    self-determination of a region
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    if there is any ethnic community or people
    in a region and they have a land as well
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    and they believe that they
    should have their own government
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    so this is their national right and
    you will have to accept it
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    the same is the case with
    fundamental human rights
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    that is, people have had some abstract
    sense of fundamental human rights
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    but it is a great achievement
    of present times
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    that the thing which
    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said
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    on the occasion of sermon during
    his farewell Hajj,
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    it has been transformed into the charter
    of fundamental human rights
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    at a worldwide level
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    it is obvious that we can trace a relation
    between the kernel of the Prophetic saying
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    and the details that exist today
    in world order
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    there can be disagreements on
    some things in this as well
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    that the rights which were
    constituted by Allah's messenger
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    have been transgressed by
    men on some places
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    nevertheless, it is a big contribution
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    now you see that those
    fundamental human rights
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    are present in every
    constitution of the world
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    arrangements are made for their protection
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    the lawcourts do not give any
    decision that goes against them
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    if such a law is made then it can
    be repealed on the basis of that
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    it is not that perfection has been
    achieved
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    but its foundation has been
    laid on a large scale
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    so this is not an ordinary thing
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    if you look at it closely then
    you will get to know that
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    a great transformation has
    occurred in this world
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    in which the rights even of a common man
    has gained this significance
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    and what is the last thing?
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    the rule of law
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    that is, it is no longer a thing that you
    are a king and whatever you say
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    will become law
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    there should be a process
    for the formation of law
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    and that command which would
    be brought into force by any authority
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    it should come through due
    legislative proceedings
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    only then it is justified
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    Asma Jahangir Sahiba was incredibly
    attuned to these four fundamental values
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    her services to our society in
    this matter are extraordinary
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    great courage and boldness in
    the matters of justice
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    and with utmost honesty she
    used to talk on these matters
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    and she used to talk such
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    that when rest of the
    people kept mum
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    she used to be the only one speaking
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    that is, it used to seem like
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    that Allah ta'la has made this
    woman as if from lightning
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    and those people with whom
    she strongly disagreed
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    even if they faced any adversity
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    it used to be she who
    raised her voice for them
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    that is, you can guess that the kind
    of terror that was unleashed in our nation
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    and the way in which
    different groups killed people
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    and on the streets and markets
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    they did not have any consideration for
    children, woman or anyone
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    so the kinds of emotions that people
    had against that
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    but when against those people
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    that is, when our army carried out
    operation against those terrorists
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    and in that it came to light that there
    have been violation of human rights
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    so she, who had in a way
    did jihad on this matter
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    she had a particular viewpoint, and the
    way she fiercely opposed the terrorists
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    but on that occasion she was
    the only one to raise her voice
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    and she said that you
    do not have this right
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    though they were the enemies of humanity
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    but even you cannot
    violate their human rights
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    this is not the job of armies
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    that they take such steps in
    their passion for revenge
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    so you can guess from this
    her courage, strength and integrity
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    the commitment one should have
    to one's path or point of view
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    the extent to which she had these
    qualities
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    and how she was a great torchbearer
    of these political values
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    therefore, in my view in spite of you or
    me disagreeing with any of her views
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    all of us must salute her greatness
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    [Hassan] Okay, Ghamidi Sir
    please also tell us
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    our society is generally
    under the impression
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    that in this ideological struggle
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    a person conducts a press conference
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    or releases a critical dossier
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    or walks with a placard
    or banner on Mall Road
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    "so how does this bring change?"
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    I would like to ask you
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    she passed away and yesterday
    was her death anniversary
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    a gathering was also arranged
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    in entire Pakistan those voices which
    could not speak up anywhere else
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    but they knew that it was the occasion of
    Asma Jahangir Sahiba's death anniversary
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    so people said whatever they
    had in their hearts openly
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    so do you think that an individual, an
    unarmed woman if she wants then
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    she can change the course of a
    society's vision or give it a new turn
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    [Ghamidi] There is no doubt in this
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    you can see that sometimes
    the history of the world
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    has been changed by individual voices
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    I have always acknowledged that
    those who pick up guns and swords
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    they have always only created
    discord in the world
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    even if they pick them up for a good cause
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    then the world does not get anything
    apart from discord and suffering
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    but those people who struggle
    against oppression in this way
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    without arms and always with arguments
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    they strive to put their thought
    across through their speech
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    only they succeed
    gradually and effectively
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    this is not visible during that stage
    because man is hasty
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    so they do not realize that how
    the effects reach to the bottom
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    and what strength they give to people
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    what changes it brings
    in their consciousness
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    and how do they affect
    their way of thinking
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    it is a very gradual process
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    for this in my view the transformation
    that has taken place in the West
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    after all, a transformation did
    take place there, right?
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    there was monarchy
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    there was papacy as well
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    if you start reading the history
    from the time of Holy Roman Empire
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    then you can guess what was the situation
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    in spite all of this there are thinkers
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    there are great philosophers and leaders
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    in the same way there are some people with
    such dervish-like attitude
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    who have gradually brought that change
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    that after which the way I have
    mentioned all these four things
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    they became universal political values
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    that is, today in the matter of nations
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    these very values operate as the standard
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    you say that the condition
    of human rights is not good somewhere
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    you say that there is no
    rule of law in that nation
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    in fact anyone can do whatever
    they want with anyone else
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    so these are the standards according
    to which nations are judged
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    how much restraint do the ones who
    are judging enforce is a different matter
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    but at an intellectual level these
    standards have been set
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    and on their basis nations are build
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    constitutions are made
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    converstations take place
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    and in the same way gradually
    it becomes very difficult
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    for tyranny to rise again in a very
    open and naked way
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    you see that in our nation this dilemma
    has been there from the very first day
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    and it is that our establishment does not
    want any democratic government there
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    however, it has to also come and go
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    and it has to also work behind
    some curtains and veils
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    why does this happen?
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    we have gone far ahead of
    other nations in this matter
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    as you said it is very constricted
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    in spite of this constriction there
    is also much freedom
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    and if you compare it
    with other nations
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    you cannot even imagine
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    (I'm talking of other Muslim nations)
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    you can go look at the Arab states
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    you can spend some time
    in the Gulf nations
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    in the same way I have spent
    ten years in Malaysia
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    in our nation there is greater
    opportunity for freedom
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    freedom of expression and democratic
    thought in comparison to these nations
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    who has given rise
    to these opportunities?
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    in actual it is due to these people
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    someone has done it
    in the field of knowledge
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    someone has done it
    in the field of religion
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    in the same way someone
    has achieved it in the field of politics
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    so it is these people due
    to whom you see that
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    those people who
    have the power of guns
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    they have to hide behind a thousand
    curtains in order to rule
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    and this is that very intellectual power
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    which gives me the hope that
    one day it will change the scenario
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    and we will get to see a free
    democratic government in our nation
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    [Hassan] Inshallah Ghamidi Saab
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    it was about the life of Asma
    Jahangir Sahiba's life
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    we got to know your point of view
    about her services to our society
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    May Allah ta'la grant her salvation
Title:
Asma Jahangir Ki Samaji Khidmaat - Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
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