0:00:01.287,0:00:05.255 Response to 23 Questions Part- 65 Singing [br]and Music, Episode- 8 Javed Ahmed Ghamidi 0:00:11.742,0:00:13.745 [Hassan Ilyas] Bismillahir Rahmanir[br]Rahim, As Salam Alaikum 0:00:13.745,0:00:16.063 Welcome to yet another Session of [br]'From the Desk of Ghamidi'. 0:00:16.063,0:00:18.517 The chain of discussions continues[br]on the 23 Objections. 0:00:18.517,0:00:20.600 Today is the 65th Episode[br]of that Series. 0:00:20.600,0:00:23.509 The important objection on[br]Singing and Music is under debate. 0:00:23.509,0:00:26.261 And today we are about to begin [br]the 8th Session on this particular topic. 0:00:26.261,0:00:28.477 Thank you very much[br]Ghamidi Sahab for your time. 0:00:28.477,0:00:32.432 Let us start, the Narrations that[br]you were stating in the last session 0:00:32.432,0:00:35.781 and we were trying to know that all [br]that is found in the corpus of Hadees 0:00:35.781,0:00:38.560 with reference to Singing and Music,[br]from those Narrations 0:00:38.560,0:00:40.587 which according to [br]the Chain of Narrations 0:00:40.587,0:00:44.590 are of the level of Sahih or Hasan. [br]We read each and every Narration 0:00:44.590,0:00:48.166 and the introduction which you stated,[br]after understanding it from the Quran, 0:00:48.166,0:00:51.528 that actually it is the use of things [br]which turns them as forbidden. 0:00:51.528,0:00:53.894 The basis of which is [br]present in Surah Aaraf, 0:00:53.894,0:00:56.083 which are those 5 things. [br]There isn't any explicit mention 0:00:56.083,0:00:58.889 of the Prohibition of Singing and Music.[br]Those too are being applied 0:00:58.889,0:01:01.329 in each and every Narration[br]by us to understand the correct situation. 0:01:01.329,0:01:03.074 Please go ahead and tell us [br]where do we stand 0:01:03.074,0:01:05.135 with respect to the chain [br]of Narrations? 0:01:05.135,0:01:08.306 What is the next narration?[br]And what actually is discussed therein? 0:01:08.306,0:01:11.492 [Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] We have [br]read 15 Narrations before this. 0:01:11.492,0:01:15.302 This is the 16th, its text has been [br]taken from Sahih Bukhari as well. 0:01:15.302,0:01:18.223 Its number is 952.[br][Hassan] Right. 0:01:18.223,0:01:20.444 [Ghamidi] I am just reading the [br]translation. 0:01:20.444,0:01:25.663 Sayyeda Ayesha says Abu Bakr R.A.[br]came to my house. 0:01:25.663,0:01:27.841 He was her respected father. 0:01:27.841,0:01:30.153 Abu Bakr R.A. came to my house. 0:01:30.153,0:01:34.502 At that moment two slave-girls[br]from Ansar were playing the 'Daf' 0:01:34.502,0:01:38.240 and singing the song which[br]the Ansar had sung for each other 0:01:38.240,0:01:41.442 on the day of the Battle of Buaas. 0:01:41.442,0:01:45.408 Generally, there used to be the [br]slave-girls who would sing songs. 0:01:45.408,0:01:47.937 They used to sing in gatherings[br]as well as in houses. 0:01:47.937,0:01:51.740 At that moment two slave-girls[br]from Ansar were playing the 'Daf' 0:01:51.740,0:01:54.637 and singing the song which[br]the Ansar had sung for each other 0:01:54.637,0:01:56.574 on the day of the Battle of Buaas. 0:01:56.574,0:02:03.854 The Prophet (pbuh) had covered his face [br]with a cloth and was taking rest. 0:02:03.854,0:02:07.325 i.e. those slave-girls were singing [br]and playing the Daf too, 0:02:07.325,0:02:11.893 Sayyeda was listening to it, the[br]Prophet (pbuh) was taking rest 0:02:11.893,0:02:16.407 and he (pbuh) had covered [br]his face with a cloth. 0:02:16.407,0:02:22.481 The Prophet (pbuh) covering[br]his face was taking a rest, 0:02:22.481,0:02:26.833 however, neither did he say anything [br]to them nor he was stopping them. 0:02:26.833,0:02:29.678 i.e. it did not happen that he [br]expressed some dislike 0:02:29.678,0:02:33.075 or drew the attention of Sayyeda,[br]or had stopped them from doing this. 0:02:33.075,0:02:35.816 They were singing and playing[br]the 'Daf' as well. 0:02:35.816,0:02:39.493 Sayyeda was listening to it, the [br]Prophet (pbuh) was present there too. 0:02:39.493,0:02:42.305 However, he did not utter[br]any sentence of objection. 0:02:42.305,0:02:45.754 And neither did he adopt an [br]attitude of objection. 0:02:45.754,0:02:48.954 However, neither did he say anything to[br]them nor did he stop them. 0:02:48.954,0:02:53.110 Sayyeda says that both those slave-girls[br]weren't professional singers. 0:02:53.110,0:02:56.290 i.e. one should not think that[br]they were professional singers 0:02:56.290,0:03:01.290 who had been called and they[br]were displaying their Art there. 0:03:01.290,0:03:05.869 Like the slave-girls usually sang[br]in houses and elsewhere too. 0:03:05.869,0:03:08.529 Such were these two [br]slave-girls from Ansar 0:03:08.529,0:03:11.768 who had been playing[br]the Daf and singing that song. 0:03:11.768,0:03:15.623 When Abu Bakr R.A. saw this,[br]he said astonishingly, 0:03:15.623,0:03:21.092 "In the house of the Prophet (pbuh) [br]such Satanic instruments of music!" 0:03:21.092,0:03:23.870 i.e. Syedna Siddique R.A. [br]made this comment on it. 0:03:23.870,0:03:27.208 Now you see, probably[br]he must have thought 0:03:27.208,0:03:29.611 that the Prophet ( pbuh) [br]was unaware of it. 0:03:29.611,0:03:32.912 Or he (pbuh) is taking rest and [br]possibly is asleep. 0:03:32.912,0:03:35.348 Or he did not pay attention to it.[br]So he said, 0:03:35.348,0:03:41.125 "In the house of the Prophet (pbuh) [br]such Satanic instruments of music!" 0:03:41.125,0:03:46.822 Sayyeda says that it was the day of Eid.[br]When the Prophet (pbuh) heard this, 0:03:46.822,0:03:50.694 he uncovered his[br]face (pbuh) and said, 0:03:50.694,0:03:52.765 "Abu Bakr let these girls sing, 0:03:52.765,0:03:56.461 every nation has an Eid [br]and it is the day of our Eid." 0:03:56.461,0:03:58.377 [Hassan] SubhanAllah, okay. 0:03:58.377,0:04:02.599 [Ghamidi] Just imagine the way [br]the Prophet has conveyed these teachings. 0:04:02.599,0:04:06.250 i.e. the religious mentality becomes [br]sensitive about these things. 0:04:06.250,0:04:08.726 It should come on [br]to the right equilibrium. 0:04:08.726,0:04:12.133 It should learn to see things[br]in their proper context and place. 0:04:12.133,0:04:15.607 It should become aware what[br]is the context of something? 0:04:15.607,0:04:18.529 On what occasion a certain [br]activity is not just permitted, 0:04:18.529,0:04:22.896 rather, it should be done.[br]That the human nature demands it. 0:04:22.896,0:04:28.130 When the Prophet (pbuh) heard this,[br]he uncovered his face and said, 0:04:28.130,0:04:33.523 "Abu Bakr let these girls sing,[br]every nation has an Eid 0:04:33.523,0:04:36.532 and this is the day of our Eid". 0:04:36.532,0:04:42.657 "So when Abu Bakr R.A. attended to [br]other things then I waved at the girls, 0:04:42.657,0:04:45.699 hence both of them left the place".[br][Hassan] Who had waved? 0:04:45.699,0:04:47.457 [Ghamidi] Sayyeda, [br]Sayyeda says that 0:04:47.457,0:04:53.870 this wasn't liked by her father, so [br]in spite of this comment 0:04:53.870,0:04:57.794 from the Prophet (pbuh) she didn't want [br]this to continue, 0:04:57.794,0:05:01.957 so she hinted to the girls,[br]hence they obviously left the place. 0:05:01.957,0:05:03.921 This is the Narration. [br]Now you see, 0:05:03.921,0:05:08.363 when Syedna Abu Bakr said,[br]"In the House of the Prophet (pbuh) 0:05:08.363,0:05:12.551 these Satanic instruments of music",[br]I have written a note on it. 0:05:12.551,0:05:14.622 This comment has been made 0:05:14.622,0:05:17.490 in consideration of the [br]use of musical instruments, 0:05:17.490,0:05:23.383 in the era of Pagan Arabia which[br]we see day and night even in our times. 0:05:23.383,0:05:26.485 What is being played here?[br]Daf is being played here. 0:05:26.485,0:05:33.602 He has categorized the Daf within the [br]definition of musical instruments. 0:05:33.602,0:05:36.765 With this, it becomes clear that [br]Daf is no different 0:05:36.765,0:05:39.926 from the class of musical instruments.[br][Hassan] An important point. 0:05:39.926,0:05:42.177 [Ghamidi] i.e. like the other [br]instruments of music, 0:05:42.177,0:05:45.344 this too is among the[br]instruments of music. 0:05:45.344,0:05:49.497 He did not like it, and from [br]what aspect did he not like them? 0:05:49.497,0:05:51.536 That even if it is[br]a permissible activity, 0:05:51.536,0:05:54.494 then how can it be done inside the[br]house of the Prophet (pbuh)? 0:05:54.494,0:05:57.073 And what was the point [br]towards which the Prophet (pbuh) 0:05:57.073,0:05:59.013 drew his attention?[br]Whether, it is my house 0:05:59.013,0:06:02.089 or of somebody else', [br]these activities also have a place, 0:06:02.089,0:06:05.341 and how was it elaborated?[br]Today is the day of Eid, 0:06:05.341,0:06:08.084 every nation has a day of Eid.[br]Today is our Eid. 0:06:08.084,0:06:11.388 If there is some singing and music,[br]some entertainment is being done, 0:06:11.388,0:06:13.960 then there should not[br]be any objection to it. 0:06:13.960,0:06:16.907 This point was focused on [br]by the Prophet (pbuh). 0:06:16.907,0:06:19.341 This comment has been made[br]in consideration of the 0:06:19.341,0:06:22.120 use of musical instruments, [br]among the pagan Arabs, 0:06:22.120,0:06:25.509 which we see day and [br]night even in our times. 0:06:25.509,0:06:28.466 This term is there in multiple places[br]in the Narrations that 0:06:28.466,0:06:32.028 these are Satanic instruments or[br]these are the voices of Satan, 0:06:32.028,0:06:34.997 This term has been used in[br]multiple places in the Narrations, 0:06:34.997,0:06:39.027 in consideration of this aspect, since [br]their general use is not seen as good, 0:06:39.027,0:06:43.024 and it is thought that [br]this is a nocturnal party, 0:06:43.024,0:06:46.006 these are played there, [br]and slave-girls sing there, 0:06:46.006,0:06:50.248 and they use all sort of couplets. [br]Since these activities are common 0:06:50.248,0:06:53.155 and the pious do[br]not generally like them. 0:06:53.155,0:06:56.080 Hence Syedna Siddique said [br]this in consideration of the same. 0:06:56.080,0:06:58.502 [Hassan] Right.[br][Ghamidi] The Prophet (pbuh), 0:06:58.502,0:07:05.315 i.e. the personality like Syedna Siddique[br]said this, the Prophet made it clear 0:07:05.315,0:07:10.503 from his action that none among [br]these in essence is forbidden. 0:07:10.503,0:07:12.912 Now you see what in[br]essence is not forbidden? 0:07:12.912,0:07:15.893 Singing, in essence, is not forbidden.[br]One point. 0:07:15.893,0:07:19.008 Even the singing of the girls[br]in essence is not forbidden. 0:07:19.008,0:07:21.714 If you listen to their[br]singing, and you are a male 0:07:21.714,0:07:23.874 then this too, in essence, [br]is not forbidden. 0:07:23.874,0:07:27.786 And it was also made clear along[br]with it that the Daf was being played, 0:07:27.786,0:07:31.033 obviously, it is among the common[br]instruments for music, 0:07:31.033,0:07:34.637 hence singing along with the instruments[br]of music is also not forbidden. 0:07:34.637,0:07:38.003 Hence, with his practice, all this [br]was clarified by the Prophet (pbuh). 0:07:38.003,0:07:40.457 The Prophet made it clear from[br]his action that 0:07:40.457,0:07:43.350 none among these, [br]in essence, is forbidden. 0:07:43.350,0:07:47.908 It is their good or bad use,[br]which at times becomes 0:07:47.908,0:07:51.558 the cause of forbiddance, permissibility[br]or their recommendation. 0:07:51.558,0:07:55.423 This is the aspect to which I am [br]repeatedly drawing attention to. 0:07:55.423,0:07:58.834 i.e. it becomes the reason[br]for Prohibition when these instruments 0:07:58.834,0:08:03.795 or a good voice is used for the [br]propagation of some evil. 0:08:03.795,0:08:07.210 Like for the propagation of Shirk,[br]like for the propagation of Bid'aat. 0:08:07.210,0:08:09.564 Like for the propagation [br]of Fawahish (Vulgarity). 0:08:09.564,0:08:13.196 When we will use it for wrong ends then [br]the forbiddance will be there too. 0:08:13.196,0:08:16.296 The warning would also be made.[br]Attention would also be drawn. 0:08:16.296,0:08:18.357 There would be a harsh[br]comment made as well. 0:08:18.357,0:08:20.365 And a personality like[br]Syedna Siddique or 0:08:20.365,0:08:24.149 Syedna Umar would also [br]use such words for it. 0:08:24.149,0:08:26.704 That should be understood [br]in this background as well. 0:08:26.704,0:08:31.031 The Prophet (pbuh) [br]has taught to differentiate 0:08:31.031,0:08:36.918 between their good and evil use,[br]after that, it is obvious that 0:08:36.918,0:08:40.137 Syedna Abu Bakr would not have [br]further held on to this opinion. 0:08:40.137,0:08:42.793 i.e. it can't happen[br]that even after this event, 0:08:42.793,0:08:45.880 Syedna Siddique would have[br]remained firm on that opinion of his. 0:08:45.880,0:08:48.776 That under all conditions [br]these are Satanic instruments. 0:08:48.776,0:08:51.717 A statement was made by him.[br]The Prophet (pbuh) drew attention 0:08:51.717,0:08:55.005 towards the other aspect,[br]in his presence, this attention was drawn. 0:08:55.005,0:08:58.314 Daf was being played too.[br]The song was being sung too. 0:08:58.314,0:09:01.366 And who was playing[br]Daf and singing songs? 0:09:01.366,0:09:02.950 The girls were doing it. 0:09:02.950,0:09:08.281 Now, just try to look at these concepts [br]in the religious backdrop of ours. 0:09:08.281,0:09:12.064 Each one among these has been[br]approved by the Prophet (pbuh). 0:09:12.064,0:09:15.712 And it was appreciated [br]that it was the day of Eid, 0:09:15.712,0:09:17.945 if such activities are done [br]on the day of Eid, 0:09:17.945,0:09:19.822 then in accordance with the [br]occasion and context 0:09:19.822,0:09:21.637 these are quite suitable activities. 0:09:21.637,0:09:24.494 [Hassan] Right. A few minor questions [br]related to this Narration come to mind, 0:09:24.494,0:09:27.694 I wish to present them to you.[br]Please tell me about this first thing, 0:09:27.694,0:09:29.471 of all the Narrations that have come[br]under discussion, 0:09:29.471,0:09:32.496 among them, the singers [br]are the slave-girls, 0:09:32.496,0:09:36.909 so I would wish to ask you[br]that this activity in that culture 0:09:36.909,0:09:40.803 was not considered a [br]respectable profession that the elite 0:09:40.803,0:09:45.113 and the nobles would adopt as a career[br]which we see in the present times 0:09:45.113,0:09:48.863 which we term as the artistic mindset,[br]and it commands a lot of respect. 0:09:48.863,0:09:52.070 Was this activity of singing and playing[br]of music confined just to the slave-girls 0:09:52.070,0:09:55.164 or that class that was not so[br]much respected in society? 0:09:55.164,0:09:57.570 [Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] The point is that [br]these too were human beings. 0:09:57.570,0:09:59.402 If they were slave-girls,[br]they were women as well. 0:09:59.402,0:10:01.830 If they were slaves, [br]they constituted men only. 0:10:01.830,0:10:06.424 However, these were the people[br]who had to provide service. 0:10:06.424,0:10:09.266 These were the ones to work in fields, [br]guide the caravans. 0:10:09.266,0:10:11.608 In the same way,[br]for the means of entertainment, 0:10:11.608,0:10:14.397 a certain type of training [br]and perseverance is required. 0:10:14.397,0:10:17.534 So they were the ones to [br]provide such services. 0:10:17.534,0:10:20.543 Other than these there is a mention[br]of certain other things. 0:10:20.543,0:10:24.879 i.e. when we read the history, [br]or poetry or literature of Arab, 0:10:24.879,0:10:28.142 then many other people too, [br]including the womenfolk 0:10:28.142,0:10:31.371 of respected families are [br]seen to have shown keenness for it. 0:10:31.371,0:10:35.245 However, it is mostly seen that these[br]slave-girls used to sing and play music. 0:10:35.245,0:10:39.458 They were the ones to enliven the parties.[br]And when they would come to homes, 0:10:39.458,0:10:45.672 they generally liked to play [br]the Daf or Sing some songs. 0:10:45.672,0:10:49.739 And since their songs were the result [br]of their practice and perseverence, 0:10:49.739,0:10:52.329 they knew the art of playing[br]the music and singing, 0:10:52.329,0:10:55.843 so the people liked their performances. [br]These are all the aspects. 0:10:55.843,0:10:59.075 [Hassan] One more aspect, [br]Ghamidi Sahab, which I am bringing forth 0:10:59.075,0:11:01.898 is that generally, when such [br]Narrations are presented, 0:11:01.898,0:11:06.937 then it is said, in that era [br]when they used to sing and play, 0:11:06.937,0:11:10.712 the people had great virtues, [br]Godliness, sincerity, humility, 0:11:10.712,0:11:13.101 and fear of God was so much [br]that in spite of all this, 0:11:13.101,0:11:15.577 their heart wasn't inclined towards it.[br]In today's age 0:11:15.577,0:11:17.891 when we see the deplorable condition[br]of Iman of people, 0:11:17.891,0:11:19.895 then we would stop people [br]on the principle of 0:11:19.895,0:11:21.923 'Saddan li-zariya', [br]so that we do not get at all 0:11:21.923,0:11:23.629 inclined to hear the voice of a girl. 0:11:23.629,0:11:25.322 Once we hear the voice[br]we shall get mesmerized by her, 0:11:25.322,0:11:27.113 and which will finally[br]lead to wrong temptations. 0:11:27.113,0:11:29.639 Therefore it was okay for that period, [br]their Iman was of such level, 0:11:29.639,0:11:31.290 In the present age, [br]we have to bar it 0:11:31.290,0:11:33.127 on the principle of Sadd-e Zariya[br](things which lead to Evil). 0:11:33.127,0:11:34.959 [Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] [br]There are two points of it. 0:11:34.959,0:11:37.834 The first point is that those people[br]who are quite superior 0:11:37.834,0:11:41.471 with regard to 'Taqwa' or for those 0:11:41.471,0:11:45.517 who do not possibly fear this, they [br]should then listen with more fervor! 0:11:45.517,0:11:49.163 Both things should happen.[br]Since the Prophet (pbuh) has heard it. 0:11:49.163,0:11:52.045 So that should surely be followed?![br]The second point is that 0:11:52.045,0:11:55.284 the principle of Sadd-e Zariya [br](stopping from that which leads to Evil) 0:11:55.284,0:11:58.422 does not follow the mechanism that [br]something, in essence, is not forbidden, 0:11:58.422,0:12:00.343 and we declare it as forbidden. 0:12:00.343,0:12:02.893 Here the attention is drawn [br]in the same manner that 0:12:02.893,0:12:05.815 this particular thing is [br]completely permissible, 0:12:05.815,0:12:10.585 however, if you indulge too much in it,[br]it may result in the following evils. 0:12:10.585,0:12:12.991 [Hassan] Right.[br][Ghamidi] This we tell our children, 0:12:12.991,0:12:15.842 those are common things of play, there[br]may not be any debate about them. 0:12:15.842,0:12:18.701 If we spend more time in it, [br]the studies would be affected. 0:12:18.701,0:12:21.046 You won't be able to [br]dedicate yourself to work. 0:12:21.046,0:12:23.683 There are so many[br]of our pastimes regarding which 0:12:23.683,0:12:25.228 we keep giving such warnings. 0:12:25.228,0:12:28.092 However, we never say that[br]in essence, these are Prohibited. 0:12:28.092,0:12:32.167 Aren't you aware that generally when[br]kids are getting their schooling, 0:12:32.167,0:12:35.523 then if we see them reading even [br]a novel, or reading a common book, 0:12:35.523,0:12:39.111 then we draw their attention to focus [br]on books prescribed in the syllabus, 0:12:39.111,0:12:41.320 read those books. [br]Hence for each activity, 0:12:41.320,0:12:43.266 there is an appropriate[br]time and context, 0:12:43.266,0:12:46.543 which are taken into [br]consideration while doing it. 0:12:46.543,0:12:50.583 Then again, if we stop people[br]from it, will they stop? 0:12:50.583,0:12:53.694 i.e. if you keep persuading them[br]to the right attitude and nature 0:12:53.694,0:12:57.060 then they will be trained in the right[br]manner. If you tell them that 0:12:57.060,0:12:59.703 you will have to take care [br]of the following drawbacks 0:12:59.703,0:13:01.942 then they would keep [br]those points in memory. 0:13:01.942,0:13:06.279 They will thus control themselves.[br]So I am against the idea that for 0:13:06.279,0:13:11.461 Sadd-e Zariya, if we adopt such [br]strictness then society would be reformed. 0:13:11.461,0:13:16.382 Let us move further on, were all the [br]Sahaba (Companions) of the same level? 0:13:16.382,0:13:18.767 i.e. they comprised the [br]Baddu (Bedouins) as well. 0:13:18.767,0:13:20.969 They would come from [br]the adjoining areas too. 0:13:20.969,0:13:24.534 Did the Prophet made any such [br]announcement for them and said 0:13:24.534,0:13:29.643 that in my gathering, it's okay[br]for these people not to treat 0:13:29.643,0:13:34.006 these things on the principle[br]of Sadd-e Zariya, however, 0:13:34.006,0:13:35.833 you people should [br]remain aloof from it 0:13:35.833,0:13:38.638 as you people do not possess[br]that 'Taqwa', and Godliness. 0:13:38.638,0:13:41.220 i.e. Iman has not yet [br]entered their hearts, 0:13:41.220,0:13:43.540 i.e. there is a group that has [br]accepted Iman, 0:13:43.540,0:13:45.846 and these comments of the [br]Quran pertain to them. 0:13:45.846,0:13:47.798 You people should be careful about it. 0:13:47.798,0:13:50.715 This wasn't the methodology[br]adopted by the Prophet (pbuh). 0:13:50.715,0:13:53.594 And I would humbly submit [br]that our Ulema too 0:13:53.594,0:13:55.668 should rectify themselves in this matter. 0:13:55.668,0:13:58.465 [Hassan] Right.[br][Ghamidi] The methodologies and attitudes 0:13:58.465,0:14:02.968 adopted by the Prophet (pbuh),[br]are the exemplary attitudes for us. 0:14:02.968,0:14:05.426 Those only should always[br]be kept in consideration. 0:14:05.426,0:14:08.707 Exceeding those, whatever we will do, [br]will in one way or the other 0:14:08.707,0:14:11.978 lead to some problems.[br]Hence we should have the right stand. 0:14:11.978,0:14:17.412 All Fine Arts relate to beauty, that [br]all Fine Arts are completely Permissible. 0:14:17.412,0:14:19.793 Nothing in them,[br]in essence, is Prohibited. 0:14:19.793,0:14:22.331 It is their use, [br]or their overuse, 0:14:22.331,0:14:25.218 where at times some negative [br]comments are to be made. 0:14:25.218,0:14:27.981 [Hassan] Right, Ghamidi Sahab, let us[br]take the discussion along. 0:14:27.981,0:14:30.296 This aspect became clear[br]with reference to the Narration. 0:14:30.296,0:14:31.695 I would like you to go ahead [br]with the next Narration 0:14:31.695,0:14:33.412 and tell us as to [br]what is discussed there? 0:14:33.412,0:14:36.498 [Ghamidi] The next Narration which[br]I am about to read, 0:14:36.498,0:14:40.423 I have taken its text from [br]Nasai's As Sunan ul Kubra, 0:14:40.423,0:14:44.387 its number is 5539.[br][Hassan] Right. 0:14:44.387,0:14:48.573 [Ghamidi] I am readings its translation. [br]Aamir Bin Saad Bajli narrates, 0:14:48.573,0:14:53.333 'He says that in one marriage ceremony, I [br]sat near Karza Bin Kaab, Abu Masud Ansari 0:14:53.333,0:15:01.361 and Sabit Bin Zaid, when I saw some[br]girls were playing the Daf and singing. 0:15:01.361,0:15:05.735 I said, "Subhanallah, you all [br]are the Companions of the Prophet (pbuh), 0:15:05.735,0:15:07.978 rather the participants [br]of the Battle of Badr, 0:15:07.978,0:15:10.465 and all this is happening [br]right under your nose". 0:15:10.465,0:15:12.353 [Hassan] Okay.[br][Ghamidi] You see, 0:15:12.353,0:15:14.593 the religious mentality[br]of today's age, 0:15:14.593,0:15:19.851 like in the case of Sadd-e Zariya,[br]it becomes excessively strict, 0:15:19.851,0:15:24.752 or indulgence in these things [br]are considered against the religion. 0:15:24.752,0:15:27.282 Such people existed even in those times. 0:15:27.282,0:15:31.291 Aamir Bin Saad Bajli narrates,[br]'he says that in one marriage ceremony 0:15:31.291,0:15:36.762 I sat near Karza Bin Kaab, [br]Abu Masud Ansari and Sabit Bin Zaid, 0:15:36.762,0:15:40.174 when I saw, and who are these people [br]he himself has told ahead, 0:15:40.174,0:15:43.506 that some girls were playing[br]the Daf and singing, 0:15:43.506,0:15:45.098 "I said, Subhanallah, 0:15:45.098,0:15:49.557 you all are the Companions [br]of the Prophet (pbuh) 0:15:49.557,0:15:51.855 rather the participants[br]of the Battle of Badr". 0:15:51.855,0:15:54.413 "And all this is taking place[br]right under your nose!" 0:15:54.413,0:15:56.677 Karza and Abu Masud[br]started saying, 0:15:56.677,0:15:59.972 if you wish to, then you may[br]listen to this with us, 0:15:59.972,0:16:02.019 and if you do not [br]wish to you may leave. 0:16:02.019,0:16:04.303 For the reason, we have been[br]given permission 0:16:04.303,0:16:06.850 for singing and playing of music[br]during marriages 0:16:06.850,0:16:10.072 and crying on the dead. if the 'Nauha' [br](Wailing) is not done in it. 0:16:10.072,0:16:12.535 [Hassan] Subhanallah.[br][Ghamidi] Therefore, he told him 0:16:12.535,0:16:16.141 leave aside the rest of the time, [br]there can be a debate on it, 0:16:16.141,0:16:19.086 however, on occasions of marriages,[br]we have seen that 0:16:19.086,0:16:23.114 the Prophet has advised for it.[br]In the same way, if some one has died, 0:16:23.114,0:16:26.164 has departed the world, then[br]the expressions of human emotions 0:16:26.164,0:16:30.570 happens in the form of crying. [br]So he warned that 0:16:30.570,0:16:33.507 the Prophet (pbuh) has stopped us[br]from doing wailing, 0:16:33.507,0:16:36.119 however, he hasn't stopped crying.[br]Similarly, 0:16:36.119,0:16:39.502 if these activities become rampant,[br]or their misuse takes place, 0:16:39.502,0:16:42.397 people start going daily [br]to the gatherings of slave-girls, 0:16:42.397,0:16:46.675 or to the night parties, then there is a[br]scope for barring them from this. 0:16:46.675,0:16:49.642 It is the occasion of marriage, [br]and you say such things. 0:16:49.642,0:16:52.900 "If you do not feel like listening to it, [br]then go and do your work", 0:16:52.900,0:16:55.721 "we have the permission[br]of the Prophet (pbuh) for it". 0:16:55.721,0:16:57.293 This was said by them. 0:16:57.293,0:17:02.716 The words 'like the companions of the[br]Prophet, the participants of Badr', 0:17:02.716,0:17:05.020 and all this is taking[br]place in front of them. 0:17:05.020,0:17:06.557 On this, I have written, 0:17:06.557,0:17:10.121 'Why would this question arise [br]with regard to Singing and Music?' 0:17:10.121,0:17:14.274 i.e. what is the reason that even[br]Syedna Siddique too said this? 0:17:14.274,0:17:17.828 The slave- girl adopted this attitude [br]on seeing Syedna Umar 0:17:17.828,0:17:20.778 in front of the Prophet (pbuh)?[br]Which we have read earlier. 0:17:20.778,0:17:24.088 Why this question would arise [br]with regard to Singing and Music? 0:17:24.088,0:17:28.029 We have elaborated earlier [br]that just like in our age, 0:17:28.029,0:17:33.195 its use in that era too, now [br]note here, what was it? 0:17:33.195,0:17:36.625 Its use, similar to our age[br]its use in that era too 0:17:36.625,0:17:39.525 was mostly for the[br]propagation of polytheistic concepts 0:17:39.525,0:17:42.898 and for the propagation[br]of Fawahish (Vulgarity). 0:17:42.898,0:17:47.219 We have commented [br]earlier that if we look into our own time, 0:17:47.219,0:17:52.220 this wrong use can be [br]experienced in multiple places. 0:17:52.220,0:17:56.486 The issues relating to its indulgence,[br]that we see every day as well. 0:17:56.486,0:18:00.230 We experience them,[br]like the way, in the present times, 0:18:00.230,0:18:03.110 we often have to emphatically[br]and strictly draw attention 0:18:03.110,0:18:07.875 in those times too, due to[br]its misuse, or overuse, 0:18:07.875,0:18:10.088 such comments would[br]come forth by the people. 0:18:10.088,0:18:13.132 Why this question would arise [br]with regard to Singing and Music? 0:18:13.132,0:18:16.549 We have elaborated it earlier, [br]that like in our times, 0:18:16.549,0:18:20.718 in those times too, its use was mostly for[br]the propagation of polytheistic concepts 0:18:20.718,0:18:23.372 and for the propagation[br]of Fawahish (Vulgarity). 0:18:23.372,0:18:25.730 The word 'Rukhsat' (Leave)[br]in the Narrations 0:18:25.730,0:18:27.807 have been spoken [br]with this consideration. 0:18:27.807,0:18:31.997 Since this was its general use, then is it[br]the case that we will not use it at all? 0:18:31.997,0:18:34.338 So the word 'Rukhsat' [br]given implies that 0:18:34.338,0:18:38.420 if the content is good,[br]if there isn't any defect in the song, 0:18:38.420,0:18:40.778 if the occasion is such, 0:18:40.778,0:18:45.761 if such overuse isn't there [br]that even the Salah or Sawm is hampered, 0:18:45.761,0:18:49.774 and the religious life is completely [br]ruined then there isn't any harm in it. 0:18:49.774,0:18:54.693 In every language, we can find [br]examples for such use of words. 0:18:54.693,0:18:58.779 The condition of 'Marriages' [br]in this sentence is to convey 0:18:58.779,0:19:03.421 that in general, the business of [br]our lives, i.e. he has replied to him, 0:19:03.421,0:19:06.312 i.e. the word 'Marriages' is used. 0:19:06.312,0:19:09.624 In normal circumstances, our having [br]been busy could, in some aspect, 0:19:09.624,0:19:12.850 have been objectionable, however,[br]on this occasion of happiness, 0:19:12.850,0:19:14.479 its possibility is also not there. 0:19:14.479,0:19:18.078 For the reason that the[br]Prophet (pbuh) himself on this occasion 0:19:18.078,0:19:20.222 and for the same reason [br]has permitted it. 0:19:20.222,0:19:22.279 Therefore he has stated[br]the complete point. 0:19:22.279,0:19:25.010 That this, in essence, [br]is not something prohibited. 0:19:25.010,0:19:27.846 Its use can definitely be[br]for the wrong purposes. 0:19:27.846,0:19:31.641 If you have any worry, [br]you may not sit here and may leave. 0:19:31.641,0:19:34.574 If we had been busy in Normal[br]circumstances in this activity, 0:19:34.574,0:19:37.797 and you had felt that while[br]shirking some religious responsibility 0:19:37.797,0:19:40.282 or exceeding our limits[br]this activity is being done, 0:19:40.282,0:19:42.788 then you could [br]have very well said this. 0:19:42.788,0:19:45.554 In times of marriages, [br]the Prophet has clearly allowed it. 0:19:45.554,0:19:47.591 So what is the reason[br]for objecting to it? 0:19:47.591,0:19:49.254 If you wish to sit you are welcome 0:19:49.254,0:19:51.070 otherwise, you are free[br]to leave the place. 0:19:51.070,0:19:53.444 If you understand the proper [br]context of this sentence, 0:19:53.444,0:19:56.107 then it has been spoken in this meaning.[br][Hassan] Right. 0:19:56.107,0:20:00.192 [Ghamidi] This leave or rather advise [br]for such occasions by the Prophet (pbuh) , 0:20:00.192,0:20:02.043 have been discussed earlier. 0:20:02.043,0:20:05.644 i.e. the reference which he has given,[br]we have had read those Narrations. 0:20:05.644,0:20:08.774 [Hassan] Right. Okay. Ghamidi Sahab[br]the Narration which you read just now, 0:20:08.774,0:20:10.648 the point which you[br]stated in the note, 0:20:10.648,0:20:13.454 that the Sahaba are speaking[br]this from the aspect that 0:20:13.454,0:20:16.555 in normal circumstances [br]this could be worth condemning, 0:20:16.555,0:20:19.656 so why under normal conditions [br]should this be condemned? 0:20:19.656,0:20:22.021 i.e. the Sahaba have a special position, 0:20:22.021,0:20:25.112 they have become a part of[br]the mission of Prophethood. 0:20:25.112,0:20:26.963 So in which aspect have[br]you written this point of 0:20:26.963,0:20:28.858 'Normal circumstance' [br]which could be worth condemning? 0:20:28.858,0:20:30.998 [Ghamidi] You see, a final narration would[br]also come up soon, 0:20:30.998,0:20:33.749 with that, you will have an idea [br]of the wrong uses of it 0:20:33.749,0:20:35.822 that were prevalent[br]among the Arabs. 0:20:35.822,0:20:38.843 The Prophet (pbuh) himself [br]has commented on its wrong use 0:20:38.843,0:20:41.244 and said that this was [br]a very shameful act. 0:20:41.244,0:20:45.108 Generally, such gatherings would be there.[br]Before this too, 0:20:45.108,0:20:49.395 you have heard that one[br]gathering had been arranged in Madinah 0:20:49.395,0:20:54.929 where Syedna Hamza had slashed [br]the humps of the she-camels of Ali R.A. 0:20:54.929,0:20:58.793 We have heard all this. Obviously, [br]this point is made with this backdrop. 0:20:58.793,0:21:00.917 Obviously, such gatherings[br]happen everywhere. 0:21:00.917,0:21:04.002 So the point of contention is that if[br]we are present in any such gathering 0:21:04.002,0:21:06.301 where from the look of it [br]we get a feeling that 0:21:06.301,0:21:08.783 this isn't the right place [br]for respectable people. 0:21:08.783,0:21:12.012 Or it is not such a place [br]for people to frequent 0:21:12.012,0:21:16.215 whom the Prophet (pbuh) has trained, [br]most of their time should pass 0:21:16.215,0:21:19.069 in the remembrance[br]and love of Allah. 0:21:19.069,0:21:21.990 So who are these people, [br]what is the context? 0:21:21.990,0:21:25.098 What city is it?[br]What sort of gatherings are usual here? 0:21:25.098,0:21:28.291 And if there is an over[br]indulgence in them, 0:21:28.291,0:21:31.408 then obviously there would have been [br]a reason to make a comment, 0:21:31.408,0:21:35.898 but this is an occasion of marriage, [br]why would you have any objection to it? 0:21:35.898,0:21:38.548 [Hassan] Please clarify another[br]aspect Ghamidi Sahab, 0:21:38.548,0:21:41.454 the conversation that is taking [br]place between two Sahaba, 0:21:41.454,0:21:47.150 and it is on the topic of Deen, and [br]if we apply it in the light of the Quran, 0:21:47.150,0:21:49.410 then that activity might[br]have been Prohibited 0:21:49.410,0:21:51.276 and might as well[br]have been stopped, 0:21:51.276,0:21:53.278 then this difference in the[br]understanding 0:21:53.278,0:21:55.731 and application of the [br]religion between two Sahaba, 0:21:55.731,0:21:58.092 with reference to it too,[br]please tell me what comes to light, 0:21:58.092,0:22:01.659 as it is generally said that if the [br]opinion of so and so Sahabi has come, 0:22:01.659,0:22:03.920 then it is the only [br]interpretation of Deen, 0:22:03.920,0:22:06.659 it is the most verified and[br]justified point of view, 0:22:06.659,0:22:08.732 there isn't anything further to say, [br]so we see that 0:22:08.732,0:22:11.273 for such an important issue, [br]and they are differing themselves. 0:22:11.273,0:22:13.936 [Ghamidi] I am repeatedly focussing[br]on the point that 0:22:13.936,0:22:16.516 this is not the right way[br]to understand Deen. 0:22:16.516,0:22:20.194 When you hear the opinion of a [br]Sahabi, or you listen to a Narration, 0:22:20.194,0:22:23.184 or if you come across some [br]comment of the Prophet (pbuh) 0:22:23.184,0:22:26.505 on a certain situation, and [br]deduced the complete Deen from it. 0:22:26.505,0:22:28.670 if you wish to form an opinion[br]regarding Deen, 0:22:28.670,0:22:31.415 then all these lengthy discussions[br]are for the purpose that 0:22:31.415,0:22:33.329 we should adopt[br]the correct way. 0:22:33.329,0:22:35.718 First of all, we should refer[br]to the Book of Allah 0:22:35.718,0:22:39.970 and check if this matter [br]has been discussed in the Book of Allah? 0:22:39.970,0:22:43.552 How has it been stated there?[br]If it relates to Prohibitions then 0:22:43.552,0:22:46.985 ascertain the principles [br]established with regard to 'Prohibitions. 0:22:46.985,0:22:50.037 I have stated those [br]things in great detail earlier. 0:22:50.037,0:22:53.028 Similarly, if something has[br]been issued as a Sunnah, 0:22:53.028,0:22:56.095 then first ascertain it,[br]as to what it actually is? 0:22:56.095,0:22:59.575 What is its backdrop?[br]In what place does the Quran hold it? 0:22:59.575,0:23:01.994 If it is not mentioned in the Quran, 0:23:01.994,0:23:06.274 then how the Prophet (pbuh)[br]has promulgated it among the Muslims? 0:23:06.274,0:23:08.733 And how has it become a[br]part of their practice? 0:23:08.733,0:23:12.191 After learning all these things [br]we may refer to the Narrations. 0:23:12.191,0:23:15.980 When we refer to the Narrations too, [br]then look at not just a single Narration 0:23:15.980,0:23:18.627 or point, rather, by looking into [br]the general conduct. 0:23:18.627,0:23:22.500 The difference that you are seeing here, [br]neither is it the difference of Deen, 0:23:22.500,0:23:24.812 nor the difference in[br]the understanding of Deen. 0:23:24.812,0:23:28.317 It is a difference of temperament.[br]I have said earlier too, 0:23:28.317,0:23:32.362 that this trait is also found in[br]the personality of Syedna Umar R.A. 0:23:32.362,0:23:35.728 i.e. among some people there is[br]greater caution for such matters. 0:23:35.728,0:23:38.643 They don't even like to go[br]near means of entertainment. 0:23:38.643,0:23:42.363 This difference of temperament[br]should also be viewed with praise. 0:23:42.363,0:23:45.138 It should be preserved. [br]and what does it entail? 0:23:45.138,0:23:51.237 It entails that if I have a tendency to[br]go a little astray from the right path, 0:23:51.237,0:23:54.514 then some other elder would be there[br]to draw attention towards it. 0:23:54.514,0:23:57.084 And in this way, that balance [br]would remain 0:23:57.084,0:23:58.677 which is the beauty [br]characteristic of our Deen 0:23:58.677,0:24:00.792 for the reason that this Deen is [br]the Deen of Fitrah (Human Nature). 0:24:00.792,0:24:02.431 [Hassan] Right. Ghamidi Sahab, [br]the last aspect which came forth 0:24:02.431,0:24:04.526 of this Narration, I wish that you[br]briefly comment on it as well. 0:24:04.526,0:24:07.881 It is that if one point of view [br]is held as supreme for a Sahabi, 0:24:07.881,0:24:10.399 the Sahaba should not attend[br]such gatherings 0:24:10.399,0:24:12.907 even on the occasion of marriages, [br]however, 0:24:12.907,0:24:15.366 the life and attitude of [br]other Sahaba is that 0:24:15.366,0:24:18.499 if you hold it as a problem, then you[br]better leave this place, 0:24:18.499,0:24:22.028 if we hold it as being permissible,[br]then we should have the space, 0:24:22.028,0:24:24.856 let us carry it on. [br]We see that generally among us, 0:24:24.856,0:24:28.456 this imbalance is also noticed [br]that if I hold it as a vice, 0:24:28.456,0:24:30.992 then I wish to impose[br]the same on others. 0:24:30.992,0:24:33.015 However, the Sahaba here [br]teach us that if you hold it such 0:24:33.015,0:24:34.624 you may leave, while we do not [br]think it so we can carry it on. 0:24:34.624,0:24:36.393 [Ghamidi] This is the right attitude. 0:24:36.393,0:24:39.552 Every person looks at things from his/her[br]own perspective. 0:24:39.552,0:24:43.086 There may be disagreement on [br]knowledge, understanding, application, 0:24:43.086,0:24:45.970 and as I have said, there may [br]be a difference of temperament. 0:24:45.970,0:24:48.268 We should take care of it.[br]In such instances, 0:24:48.268,0:24:51.149 we should not go about issuing [br]Fatwas as per our whims. 0:24:51.149,0:24:53.995 Our worst misfortune is that,[br]as a nation, once 0:24:53.995,0:24:58.027 we make an opinion about [br]something then we are not ready 0:24:58.027,0:25:00.973 to listen to another opinion [br]even in its context. 0:25:00.973,0:25:04.825 This is the reason that the judgments [br]are decreed among us in black and white. 0:25:04.825,0:25:09.766 However, there are many situations[br]in life that you place under grey areas. 0:25:09.766,0:25:14.288 i.e. those are the situations [br]where one tendency holds a position 0:25:14.288,0:25:16.504 while another tendency [br]too holds its own position. 0:25:16.504,0:25:19.571 There may be one opinion, and [br]there can be another opinion as well. 0:25:19.571,0:25:22.350 Dozens of times it has happened[br]that a comment is made 0:25:22.350,0:25:26.311 about a point so the people say, "Tell us[br]clearly what is right and what is wrong." 0:25:26.311,0:25:30.952 To the extent that at times [br]the same point is there, 0:25:30.952,0:25:34.009 however, from one angle it is [br]considered as right for someone, 0:25:34.009,0:25:38.043 and when viewed from some other's angle[br]then it will be considered as wrong. 0:25:38.043,0:25:41.075 For matters of life too, this opinion[br]has to be formed. 0:25:41.075,0:25:44.402 Hence according to me,[br]the attitude adopted by the Sahaba 0:25:44.402,0:25:46.702 also holds a lesson for us, 0:25:46.702,0:25:49.843 that we should learn to[br]respect the opinions of others. 0:25:49.843,0:25:53.536 We should learn to put[br]our points of view with proper arguments. 0:25:53.536,0:25:56.610 While commenting on something [br]we should take into consideration 0:25:56.610,0:25:59.631 that we have heard something,[br]the other person has a completely 0:25:59.631,0:26:02.400 different take of the whole issue.[br]We should respect that. 0:26:02.400,0:26:05.066 With it, we will have an increase[br]in scholarly temperament. 0:26:05.066,0:26:07.720 A variegation in the ways[br]of thinking will take place. 0:26:07.720,0:26:10.121 There would be a living [br]and dynamic society. 0:26:10.121,0:26:13.268 The biggest mistake that we have[br]committed at our societal level is 0:26:13.268,0:26:16.780 that we haven't let the growth[br]of an environment for healthy criticism. 0:26:16.780,0:26:20.033 i.e. criticism, the criticism where [br]there isn't mockery or taunting. 0:26:20.033,0:26:24.453 Where there isn't any propaganda, where [br]there is no need to unclothe each other. 0:26:24.453,0:26:27.588 Where there is the expression of one's[br]opinions with politeness and decency. 0:26:27.588,0:26:29.495 And put forth its [br]arguments to the people. 0:26:29.495,0:26:32.251 [Hassan] This Narration is also clear. [br]It was an important Narration. 0:26:32.251,0:26:35.787 Many aspects of it came up. I wish you [br]to continue further with this chain. 0:26:35.787,0:26:38.268 Now tell us the next Narration [br]and what is being stated there? 0:26:38.268,0:26:40.552 [Ghamidi] Following this[br]is the Narration 0:26:40.552,0:26:43.176 which we have taken from[br]Musnad-e Is'haq Bin Ragawaih. 0:26:43.176,0:26:48.565 Its number is 624.[br]I am reading the translation. 0:26:48.565,0:26:50.890 Sayyeda Ayesha R.A. states that 0:26:50.890,0:26:57.637 the Prophet (pbuh) heard [br]Abu Musa Ash'ari reciting the Quran. 0:26:57.637,0:27:01.995 The Quran is the Book of Allah,[br]the Prophet (pbuh) too used to read it. 0:27:01.995,0:27:04.998 The other Sahaba used to read it. [br]We too read it. 0:27:04.998,0:27:09.238 The Prophet (pbuh) heard [br]Abu Musa Ash'ari reciting the Quran. 0:27:09.238,0:27:15.517 He had a sweet melodious voice. And was [br]reciting the Quran sitting in the Masjid. 0:27:15.517,0:27:18.000 [Hassan] Okay.[br][Ghamidi] When the Prophet (pbuh) 0:27:18.000,0:27:21.298 heard his recitation, he said,[br]"There isn't a doubt that this person 0:27:21.298,0:27:23.739 has been bestowed with [br]a harmony from among 0:27:23.739,0:27:26.418 the harmonies of [br]the family of Dawood'. 0:27:26.418,0:27:29.033 [Hassan] Okay.[br][Ghamidi] This was the comment made 0:27:29.033,0:27:31.311 on his voice. With this,[br]it is also clear that 0:27:31.311,0:27:34.042 there isn't any difference [br]between voice and harmony. 0:27:34.042,0:27:36.149 Melodies come from the same place as voice 0:27:36.149,0:27:38.922 That the people had made a difference 0:27:38.922,0:27:41.530 among us is not valid. [br]It is merely playing with words. 0:27:41.530,0:27:45.837 The reality is when the voice[br]emanates from our vocal chords, 0:27:45.837,0:27:51.628 or from our tongues or our lips,[br]when the voice emanates, 0:27:51.628,0:27:56.655 and we beautify it assumes [br]the form of Singing. 0:27:56.655,0:28:01.898 And we enhance the beauty [br]of this voice through melody. 0:28:01.898,0:28:04.534 Hence this was the comment[br]on the recital of the Quran 0:28:04.534,0:28:07.041 of Syedna Abu Musa Ash'ari. 0:28:07.041,0:28:09.902 i.e. as if he has been given a[br]musical harmony from David. 0:28:09.902,0:28:13.330 He does not recite the Quran[br]with a voice or a sweet voice, 0:28:13.330,0:28:16.940 it seems as if one of the chords[br]bestowed to the family of Dawood, 0:28:16.940,0:28:19.214 and it is spreading forth one of its [br]melodies. 0:28:19.214,0:28:22.638 There is a beautiful commentary[br]and a lot of eloquence in it. 0:28:22.638,0:28:27.446 I have written on it, "This is the [br]assertion of the Glory of God, 0:28:27.446,0:28:30.065 in the supplication [br]and prayers to Him, 0:28:30.065,0:28:34.681 hints towards the heart soothing [br]songs of Syedna Dawood A.S. 0:28:34.681,0:28:39.732 It is known that the Zuboor[br](Psalms of David) are mostly hymns, songs 0:28:39.732,0:28:42.533 i.e. there are themes for the[br]Glorification of Allah, Dua, 0:28:42.533,0:28:46.077 and it has been revealed[br]in the form of Songs. 0:28:46.077,0:28:50.149 For the Glorification of God, in[br]his supplications and prayers to Him, 0:28:50.149,0:28:54.135 those heart-rendering songs of [br]Syedna Dawood A.S. are being hinted at 0:28:54.135,0:28:57.427 which he used to sing[br]in the most beautiful voice 0:28:57.427,0:29:01.217 along with musical instruments.[br]i.e. it is known about Dawood A.S. 0:29:01.217,0:29:05.784 and the Quran has stated it, and [br]nowhere has it been negated, 0:29:05.784,0:29:09.677 that the Jews have included[br]this music among themselves, 0:29:09.677,0:29:12.244 actually, he used to just [br]read them in a sweet voice. 0:29:12.244,0:29:15.108 If there is any such thing, [br]and it relates to a Prophet 0:29:15.108,0:29:17.829 then the experts of the Quran [br]know that it some way 0:29:17.829,0:29:21.049 or the other points to the fact [br]that this can't be accepted. 0:29:21.049,0:29:26.137 Nothing of this sort was done.[br]It points to those heart-rendering songs 0:29:26.137,0:29:29.547 which he i.e. Syedna Dawood A.S.[br]would sing in the most melodious voice 0:29:29.547,0:29:31.467 along with the [br]musical instruments. 0:29:31.467,0:29:34.512 This has been mentioned [br]in the Quran as well as in the Bible. 0:29:34.512,0:29:38.896 The Book with the name of 'Zuboor', [br]was the collection of these songs. 0:29:38.896,0:29:44.200 The Prophet (pbuh) has seen[br]his voice with appreciation, 0:29:44.200,0:29:48.052 gave reference to the [br]voice of Syedna Dawood A.S. 0:29:48.052,0:29:51.787 and the words that he chose for it,[br]there it was rhetorically indicated 0:29:51.787,0:29:56.810 whether it be the voice or music, [br]the thing which is important is the topic, 0:29:56.810,0:30:01.628 and the topic here is the Book of Allah,[br]so the Prophet (pbuh) has praised it. 0:30:01.628,0:30:04.507 He applauded his elegant voice,[br]there isn't something in it 0:30:04.507,0:30:07.481 where the Prophet (pbuh)[br]had said that in this way 0:30:07.481,0:30:11.903 you are actually attracting people, [br]read it in simple or plain words. 0:30:11.903,0:30:14.066 [Hassan] Right. One supplementary [br]point which comes to mind, 0:30:14.066,0:30:16.283 you have said that[br]it is there in the Quran 0:30:16.283,0:30:20.646 and it is mentioned in the Bible too,[br]that Syedna Dawood had such instruments, 0:30:20.646,0:30:24.320 when he used to recite, so those [br]instruments were also made use of, 0:30:24.320,0:30:27.184 then if there had been a[br]tradition with the Prophets 0:30:27.184,0:30:29.385 then in the whole life [br]of the Prophet (pbuh), 0:30:29.385,0:30:33.433 never do we see a single instance[br]when he himself had played something. 0:30:33.433,0:30:36.545 Therefore if it wasn't matching[br]with the dignity and grace of the Prophet, 0:30:36.545,0:30:38.270 then earlier too this[br]should have been the case. 0:30:38.270,0:30:39.784 And if was there then why it is not[br]seen with the Prophet (pbuh)? 0:30:39.784,0:30:41.972 [Ghamidi] There isn't any question[br]of respect and dignity 0:30:41.972,0:30:43.845 being associated with the[br]act of playing music. 0:30:43.845,0:30:46.566 Whenever a Prophet is made to [br]stand in this world by Allah (swt), 0:30:46.566,0:30:49.677 when he is appointed, then He[br]entrusts him with a responsibility, 0:30:49.677,0:30:52.698 He, according to the [br]responsibilities, is given the Book, 0:30:52.698,0:30:57.640 Guidance too is provided to them, and his[br]personality is also molded accordingly. 0:30:57.640,0:31:00.634 When we study the personalities [br]of the Prophets, 0:31:00.634,0:31:03.527 for example the personality [br]of Syedna Musa A.S. 0:31:03.527,0:31:06.073 The personality of Syedna [br]Dawood is very different. 0:31:06.073,0:31:09.904 The personalities of all the Prophets[br]are not from the same molds. 0:31:09.904,0:31:12.322 The high moral conduct, 0:31:12.322,0:31:15.372 which the Prophet has termed as [br]Makarim-e Akhlaaq'. 0:31:15.372,0:31:19.156 All Prophets in their place are [br]glowing examples of that morality. 0:31:19.156,0:31:21.730 However, the nature, [br]disposition, temperaments 0:31:21.730,0:31:25.400 are quite different, rather the Books[br]that have been revealed by Allah (swt) 0:31:25.400,0:31:27.146 have very different styles. 0:31:27.146,0:31:30.342 Hazrat Isa A.S. used[br]to talk in allegories. 0:31:30.342,0:31:33.240 You see so many beautiful[br]allegories are there in the Gospels. 0:31:33.240,0:31:34.819 Those are found in the Quran too. 0:31:34.819,0:31:37.391 However, the Quran does[br]not abound with them. 0:31:37.391,0:31:40.066 Like the allegories, [br]we find in the Gospel. 0:31:40.066,0:31:42.942 Hence, every Prophet has his [br]own taste, own disposition, 0:31:42.942,0:31:44.971 there can't be an [br]argument based upon it. 0:31:44.971,0:31:46.575 [Hassan] Right, Ghamidi Sahab,[br]let us move ahead with this chain, 0:31:46.575,0:31:48.387 and let us know what[br]is the next Narration? 0:31:48.387,0:31:50.021 And what is discussed there? 0:31:50.021,0:31:52.071 [Ghamidi] The Narration that follows 0:31:52.071,0:31:56.413 is from Sahih Ibn-e Habban,[br]its number is 892. 0:31:56.413,0:32:03.582 Buraida Aslami R.A. states that he [br]entered a Masjid with the Prophet (pbuh). 0:32:03.582,0:32:07.387 He saw that a person while[br]making Dua is saying, 0:32:07.387,0:32:12.419 " Ya Allah, I ask you in [br]return for my witness that 0:32:12.419,0:32:17.501 There isn't any God except You.[br]The Only and the support for all, 0:32:17.501,0:32:20.954 Who neither has a[br]father nor any peer. 0:32:20.954,0:32:25.331 When the Prophet heard this he said, [br]"I swear by the Being 0:32:25.331,0:32:30.275 who holds control of my life,[br]he has really asked 0:32:30.275,0:32:33.291 in return for that great[br]attribute of Allah, 0:32:33.291,0:32:37.250 the attribute through which, if asked,[br]then He bestows 0:32:37.250,0:32:40.407 and if called through it,[br]then He hears it necessarily". 0:32:40.407,0:32:42.863 This was the comment[br]made by the Prophet (pbuh). 0:32:42.863,0:32:44.311 Then the Prophet saw a person 0:32:44.311,0:32:47.259 sitting in the corner of the[br]Masjid and reciting the Quran. 0:32:47.259,0:32:50.056 i.e. first he saw that a [br]person is making a supplication. 0:32:50.056,0:32:53.074 Asking a Dua, there are some [br]words being uttered by him. 0:32:53.074,0:32:55.345 He appreciated those words. 0:32:55.345,0:32:58.061 Then he saw a person sitting in [br]the corner of the Masjid 0:32:58.061,0:33:02.930 and reciting the Quran.[br]The Prophet said that there isn't a doubt 0:33:02.930,0:33:05.238 that he has been gifted[br]with the harmony 0:33:05.238,0:33:07.829 from among the harmonies[br]of the family of Dawood. 0:33:07.829,0:33:11.648 He was Abdullah Bin Qais. i.e. the [br]person reciting the Quran, who was he? 0:33:11.648,0:33:14.671 He was Abdullah Bin Qais, who [br]is called Abu Musa Ash'ari. 0:33:14.671,0:33:18.393 It seems probable that the Narration[br]that we read previously was very brief. 0:33:18.393,0:33:19.779 Here we have the details. 0:33:19.779,0:33:22.974 Buraida says that[br]I asked the Prophet (pbuh), 0:33:22.974,0:33:25.847 O Messenger of Allah should I [br]convey this comment to him? 0:33:25.847,0:33:30.429 The Prophet said, "Yes go ahead".[br]Hence as I said to Abu Musa, 0:33:30.429,0:33:35.300 then he said in elation, that now [br]you are my friend forever. 0:33:35.300,0:33:37.344 Then he said that[br]if I had known that 0:33:37.344,0:33:40.317 the Prophet (pbuh)[br]is hearing my recital, 0:33:40.317,0:33:42.749 then I would have read it[br]much better than that. 0:33:42.749,0:33:45.178 [Hassan] Subhanallah.[br][Ghamidi] Here you can see 0:33:45.178,0:33:48.849 both the things in the Narrations,[br]if some person has made a Dua, 0:33:48.849,0:33:51.361 and the words used[br]in the Dua are good, 0:33:51.361,0:33:55.722 proper references have been made,[br]if there is some part of the Quran that 0:33:55.722,0:33:59.815 has been read in it which really has[br]a connection with the topic, 0:33:59.815,0:34:02.283 then the Prophet (pbuh)[br]has appreciated that. 0:34:02.283,0:34:05.226 Here the Quran is being read,[br]its recitation is being done, 0:34:05.226,0:34:08.243 the voice is melodious, it is [br]being read with a sweet voice, 0:34:08.243,0:34:11.915 the Prophet (pbuh) praises it,[br]and the same words that 0:34:11.915,0:34:14.104 were mentioned earlier,[br]we see those here too, 0:34:14.104,0:34:15.918 and when he was made[br]aware of that praise, 0:34:15.918,0:34:18.393 he became extremely happy,[br]and he was so filled with ecstasy 0:34:18.393,0:34:19.994 that he went on to say that[br]had he knew 0:34:19.994,0:34:22.245 then he would have [br]read more harmoniously. 0:34:22.245,0:34:28.930 With a sweeter tone and melody.[br]The objective for telling this is 0:34:28.930,0:34:34.578 that for all such things the [br]Prophet has adopted this attitude. 0:34:34.578,0:34:36.218 Now, if some person asks that 0:34:36.218,0:34:39.590 did the Prophet (pbuh) himself ever[br]sit and read it in that way or not? 0:34:39.590,0:34:41.225 It is not needed.[br]The Prophet (pbuh) 0:34:41.225,0:34:43.729 himself would read with a [br]lot of excellence, however, 0:34:43.729,0:34:45.391 the voice and style, 0:34:45.391,0:34:48.251 the sweetness of the recital [br]of Abu Musa Ash'ari, 0:34:48.251,0:34:51.612 was highlighted by the Prophet (pbuh)[br]and even appreciated it. 0:34:51.612,0:34:53.612 [Hassan] Right Ghamidi Sahab.[br][Ghamidi] After this, 0:34:53.612,0:34:56.443 the Narration which I am [br]presenting to you is from Sahih Bukhari. 0:34:56.443,0:34:59.816 Its number is 7544.[br][Hassan] Right. 0:34:59.816,0:35:05.476 [Ghamidi] Abu Huraira R.A. states that[br]he heard the Prophet (pbuh) say, 0:35:05.476,0:35:10.547 that any Prophet of Allah, when he reads [br]the Quran with a sweet and loud voice, 0:35:10.547,0:35:14.682 then Allah (swt) listens to it [br]with an attention 0:35:14.682,0:35:20.298 He does not listen to anything else.[br]So what does this Narration tell? 0:35:20.298,0:35:23.548 i.e. if Abu Musa Ash'ari has read [br]the Quran with a nice voice, 0:35:23.548,0:35:26.831 so if you get to listen to it, then[br]you should applaud it too. 0:35:26.831,0:35:30.848 When the Prophet of Allah would listen [br]to it, then he too would appreciate it. 0:35:30.848,0:35:33.908 And here it was told that[br]the Lord of this universe 0:35:33.908,0:35:37.617 listens to it with attention as well.[br]That point which was said at an occasion, 0:35:37.617,0:35:39.600 when a person came [br]and said that 0:35:39.600,0:35:44.537 I like my shoes and dress [br]be very beautiful so it was said, 0:35:44.537,0:35:46.949 "Allahul Jameel Wa Yuhibbul Jamaal". 0:35:46.949,0:35:51.573 'Allah Himself is beautiful [br]and He loves beauty and elegance too'. 0:35:51.573,0:35:54.701 Here it was told that [br]melodious sweet voice, 0:35:54.701,0:36:00.427 the voice which mesmerizes, like [br]the voice of Abu Musa Ash'ari. 0:36:00.427,0:36:04.020 Or of any other person, it wasn't [br]just that I liked this voice, 0:36:04.020,0:36:05.996 this voice should[br]be liked by all, 0:36:05.996,0:36:09.903 rather this voice is liked by [br]the Lord of this Universe. 0:36:09.903,0:36:13.144 So it implies that the things of[br]beauty created by Allah (swt), 0:36:13.144,0:36:16.408 are the favourite[br]things of Allah. 0:36:16.408,0:36:21.567 The beauty, elegance rather[br]the sense of the aesthetics of Allah 0:36:21.567,0:36:26.701 are manifested in those[br]things of beauty. 0:36:26.701,0:36:29.302 Hence these things should [br]never be looked down upon, 0:36:29.302,0:36:32.221 it implies that they should [br]never be considered with scorn. 0:36:32.221,0:36:34.700 i.e. it should not be thought as [br]to what difference does it make? 0:36:34.700,0:36:36.790 The Quran is the Book of Allah,[br]we have to read it. 0:36:36.790,0:36:40.016 When we read it we have to [br]actually receive guidance from it. 0:36:40.016,0:36:43.405 So what is the point in reading [br]it with a good voice? 0:36:43.405,0:36:47.093 So it was told that these are the aspects [br]of beauty, elegance, and adornment. 0:36:47.093,0:36:51.846 These have their own place. And it [br]is liked by me as well as by my Lord. 0:36:51.846,0:36:54.060 [Hassan] Right.[br][Ghamidi] So with this aspect, 0:36:54.060,0:36:57.613 this Narration should be viewed.[br]After this, we have taken the Narration 0:36:57.613,0:37:02.896 from Musnad-e Ahmad, [br]its number is 13377. 0:37:02.896,0:37:10.709 Anas Bin Malik R.A. states that the [br]Prophet (pbuh) was in one of his journeys. 0:37:10.709,0:37:17.070 And along with him was a black young man, [br]whose name was Anjasha. 0:37:17.070,0:37:20.819 He had a good voice and would [br]accompany his wives 0:37:20.819,0:37:23.029 and sing songs[br]while driving the camels. 0:37:23.029,0:37:25.022 [Hassan] Okay.[br][Ghamidi] I am presenting 0:37:25.022,0:37:28.812 these Narrations especially to you that[br]'women should not hear the voice of men', 0:37:28.812,0:37:30.766 'men should not hear[br]the voice of women', etc. 0:37:30.766,0:37:33.552 Look at what comes forth [br]in the light of these Narrations? 0:37:33.552,0:37:36.573 With this, the reality also[br]comes to be known that 0:37:36.573,0:37:40.212 the point stated with regard[br]to the Prophet's wives, 0:37:40.212,0:37:44.357 that too has a context.[br]I have had a detailed discussion on it. 0:37:44.357,0:37:46.779 Those people who have[br]inferred from it that 0:37:46.779,0:37:48.772 even the voice of a woman[br]is to be veiled, 0:37:48.772,0:37:51.320 they haven't really [br]understood the whole point. 0:37:51.320,0:37:55.317 That point wasn't made there at all.[br]There it was a specific situation, 0:37:55.317,0:37:58.872 an occasion where the Prophet's [br]wives have been instructed that 0:37:58.872,0:38:02.067 these hypocrites who[br]present themselves on your door. 0:38:02.067,0:38:05.726 They are up to different conspiracies,[br]and have mischief in their minds. 0:38:05.726,0:38:09.179 Be wary of them. From that,[br]the people deduced this! 0:38:09.179,0:38:13.357 Here you see, that the Prophet (pbuh),[br]is listening to women, slave-girls. 0:38:13.357,0:38:15.831 He goes on further to say [br]to Sayyeda Ayesha that 0:38:15.831,0:38:18.126 if you wish to hear [br]then she listens too. 0:38:18.126,0:38:20.581 Black men are singing too, [br]they are being listened to. 0:38:20.581,0:38:22.930 And here as well you see, [br]what are the words, 0:38:22.930,0:38:26.180 "He had a sweet voice, [br]his name was Anjasha, 0:38:26.180,0:38:29.912 a black young man, who[br]had a melodious voice, 0:38:29.912,0:38:32.746 and used to accompany the Prophet's [br]wives in the caravan 0:38:32.746,0:38:35.717 to sing and drive the camels.[br]Do you know what Hudi is? 0:38:35.717,0:38:40.695 These are the songs that are sung to [br]drive and speed up the camels. 0:38:40.695,0:38:42.745 Those are called Hudi. 0:38:42.745,0:38:45.979 This word is also similarly [br]used in the Urdu language. 0:38:45.979,0:38:49.864 So he used to do 'Hudi-Khwaani'.[br]i.e. he used to sing such a song 0:38:49.864,0:38:56.133 that the camels would speed up.[br]And the journey would complete fast. 0:38:56.133,0:39:00.554 Hence, on an occasion, i.e. [br]he would accompany the Prophet's wives, 0:39:00.554,0:39:03.599 and sing to drive the camels,[br]hence on an occasion, 0:39:03.599,0:39:06.002 he really speeded up [br]the camels of the Caravan. 0:39:06.002,0:39:08.448 [Hassan] Okay.[br][Ghamidi] i.e. he sang the Hudi, 0:39:08.448,0:39:12.718 and did it so well that the camels [br]of the caravan went on fast. 0:39:12.718,0:39:18.888 Anas R.A. says that when he was near [br]the Prophet and Anjasha he heard, 0:39:18.888,0:39:23.056 that the Prophet on seeing this said,[br]Alas, I feel sorry for you Anjasha 0:39:23.056,0:39:27.350 please go slow Anjasha, let these Aabgeens[br](delicate vessels made of mud) move slowly 0:39:27.350,0:39:30.615 i.e. these are women folk.[br]See what a beautiful expression is it. 0:39:30.615,0:39:32.735 Let these 'Aabgeens' travel slowly, 0:39:32.735,0:39:35.815 i.e. he meant that the women [br]are sitting on the camels, 0:39:35.815,0:39:39.485 and if you sing in this way, [br]and if the camels move on at this speed, 0:39:39.485,0:39:41.984 then there is a fear[br]that they might get harmed. 0:39:41.984,0:39:43.579 [Hassan] The comment has [br]been made on the speeding camels. 0:39:43.579,0:39:45.308 [Ghamidi] The comment[br]has been made on it. 0:39:45.308,0:39:48.939 However, he used to sing Hudi, [br]and would do so in a good voice. 0:39:48.939,0:39:51.735 He used to accompany the[br]Prophet's wives on the journey. 0:39:51.735,0:39:55.968 He used to sing Hudi and did his [br]job in such a wonderful voice, 0:39:55.968,0:39:58.485 that the camels would[br]start moving speedily. 0:39:58.485,0:40:01.256 Here the Prophet said to him, [br]sing in a lower voice. 0:40:01.256,0:40:05.267 That you have such an exceptional power[br]to mesmerize with your voice, 0:40:05.267,0:40:08.962 that the camels do not pause at all, [br]they just race forward. 0:40:08.962,0:40:12.966 A little lower in voice as the camels [br]have delicate vessels on them. 0:40:12.966,0:40:15.112 And they might get harmed. 0:40:15.112,0:40:16.996 [Hassan] This Narration Ghamidi [br]Sahab was quite exceptional. 0:40:16.996,0:40:17.825 It is well expounded. 0:40:17.825,0:40:19.522 The time for this session [br]is also nearing its end. 0:40:19.522,0:40:20.488 I wish that you present [br]the last Narration for today. 0:40:20.488,0:40:22.159 And then we would [br]move towards the close. 0:40:22.159,0:40:24.165 This is the Narration [br]of Syedna Umar R.A. 0:40:24.165,0:40:27.324 and we have taken it [br]from Nasai's As Sunan ul Kubra. 0:40:27.324,0:40:30.575 Its number is 8193. 0:40:30.575,0:40:33.777 Umar R.A. states, i.e. Syedna Umar, 0:40:33.777,0:40:37.052 Umar Ibn-e Khattab R.A. [br]Umar R.A. states that 0:40:37.052,0:40:41.033 the Prophet (pbuh) [br]in one of his journeys, 0:40:41.033,0:40:47.106 said to Abdullah Bin Rawaha, would [br]you speed up our rides a little. 0:40:47.106,0:40:50.291 i.e. he himself requested[br]for singing the Hudi. 0:40:50.291,0:40:52.175 [Hassan] Okay.[br][Ghamidi] When the camels 0:40:52.175,0:40:54.742 are journeying and the[br]cameleers are with them. 0:40:54.742,0:40:57.263 There are women[br]as well men among them. 0:40:57.263,0:41:00.346 And at times the camels slow down [br]a bit, 0:41:00.346,0:41:03.400 so the Prophet (pbuh) said [br]to Abdullah Bin Rawaha, 0:41:03.400,0:41:07.715 "Would you speed up our rides a little",[br]Abdullah replied, 0:41:07.715,0:41:11.050 "I have stopped with the singing of Hudi". 0:41:11.050,0:41:14.160 On this Umar R.A. said,[br]"Listen and Obey". 0:41:14.160,0:41:17.852 You have stopped? What is this?[br]The Prophet (pbuh) has said. 0:41:17.852,0:41:22.487 You note the nature of [br]a person, how it manifests? 0:41:22.487,0:41:26.742 Umar said, "Listen and obey",[br]hence he sang these couplets. 0:41:26.742,0:41:29.299 "O Allah, had Your [br]Mercy not been there, 0:41:29.299,0:41:31.495 then we neither would[br]have received Guidance, 0:41:31.495,0:41:34.439 nor would have made charity.[br]Neither would we offer Salah, 0:41:34.439,0:41:38.262 so now bestow us with[br]your peace and keep us steadfast 0:41:38.262,0:41:41.487 in case of an encounter[br]with the enemy". 0:41:41.487,0:41:43.980 The original words [br]that are used in it are 0:41:43.980,0:41:49.614 "Allahumma Lawla Anta [br]Mahtadaina Wala Tassaddaqna 0:41:49.614,0:41:55.976 Wala Sallaina Fa Anzalan Sakinatan Ilaina[br]Was Sabbitul akdaama In Laa Kaina" 0:41:55.976,0:41:59.621 These were the couplets read by him, [br]I have read its translation to you. 0:41:59.621,0:42:03.224 When the Prophet (pbuh)[br]heard these pure words, 0:42:03.224,0:42:07.726 he said, "Ya Allah have Mercy upon him".[br]Umar R.A. immediately said 0:42:07.726,0:42:09.896 "Now the Mercy has [br]become compulsory!" 0:42:09.896,0:42:12.077 [Hassan] Subhanallah.[br][Ghamidi] There are some 0:42:12.077,0:42:16.095 other aspects as well, i.e. how the [br]Sahaba used to see the Prophet (pbuh)? 0:42:16.095,0:42:20.572 What was the importance of a request of[br]the Prophet (pbuh) for Syedna Umar R.A. 0:42:20.572,0:42:22.905 And the point that if on any [br]occasion 0:42:22.905,0:42:26.698 the Prophet has blessed [br]someone with such a sentence, 0:42:26.698,0:42:29.415 then what was its [br]significance for them? 0:42:29.415,0:42:32.499 However, as of now, this aspect does [br]not relate to our topic. 0:42:32.499,0:42:34.735 Still, the real point [br]is clear even in this. 0:42:34.735,0:42:36.841 That such couplets were sung 0:42:36.841,0:42:39.533 and the Prophet (pbuh) himself [br]had requested for them. 0:42:39.533,0:42:42.405 [Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, all those[br]Narrations from the corpus of Hadees 0:42:42.405,0:42:44.356 where, with reference to[br]Singing and Music, 0:42:44.356,0:42:46.991 with some aspect or the other,[br]some point has been discussed 0:42:46.991,0:42:49.269 and those Narrations are[br]acceptable to us 0:42:49.269,0:42:50.997 with respect to their[br]Chain of Narrations, 0:42:50.997,0:42:52.856 i.e. either those are Sahih[br]or the level of Hasan. 0:42:52.856,0:42:55.203 We are exploring the whole[br]corpus of Hadees with you. 0:42:55.203,0:42:57.620 And the arguments that[br]you had pointed out 0:42:57.620,0:42:59.315 in the introductory Sessions, 0:42:59.315,0:43:01.509 their applications are[br]also becoming clear in these. 0:43:01.509,0:43:03.769 A lot of newer aspects were [br]unraveled in Today's session. 0:43:03.769,0:43:05.249 I would wish that in the[br]next episode 0:43:05.249,0:43:07.986 all the Narrations would [br]be completed inshallah. 0:43:07.986,0:43:10.676 And after that a concise [br]and complete analysis that 0:43:10.676,0:43:13.381 the biographical recorda in history [br]have in them, about the Prophet (pbuh). 0:43:13.381,0:43:16.243 What aspects are stated [br]with reference to Singing and Music? 0:43:16.243,0:43:18.431 We have exhausted our time, [br]we shall again be at your service. 0:43:18.431,0:43:20.877 Thank you very much [br]for your time till now. 0:43:20.877,0:43:22.261 [Ghamidi] Thank you very much.