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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Khuda se Mutaliq Sawalat aur Ilm \Nal Kalam ka Jawab - PART 2
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Jawed Ahmad Ghamidi
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan Ilyas] Yesterday, I asked you a \Nquestion related to hypothetical statements
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we use in relation to Allah, \Nnauzubillah (I seek refuge with Allah)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Allah can lie, or he can make a rock\Nwhich even he can lift.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You detailed out your views on these \Nkind of discussions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a relative aspect and doubt, I \Nwant you to explain us in detail.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you are in a discussion related to\Nthe existence of God,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the argument behind confirmation for \NGod's being,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the various aspects of atheism or \Nagnosticism that are put forward.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is said that you logically conclude \Nthe arguments with intellectual evidence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other party to the discussion is\Npuzzled with your style.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question to you today is that,\NEven you include these
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intellectual evidences and arguments in \Nyour discussions,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People often say that a conversation \Nwith Ghamidi Sahib is very rational,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,logical, enlightened and intellectual.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, even your paradigm answers \Nthese modern suspicion or doubt
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by way of intellectual and logical \Narguments.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then what about simple and inherent \Narguments given by the Quran
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you often say?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmad Ghamidi] Don't you consider \Nthe inherent arguments given
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Quran as logical?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I had earlier mentioned was that,\Nthings that evolve from a specific
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,philosophical or logical background and \Npeople present these questions just to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,?? of the religion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the things that clearly convey \Nthat your addressee does not have that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perceptive attitude to understand or dive\Ninto something of this imperative nature.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that case you should follow ??
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arguments will be have there significance.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran itself is an example of \Nreasoning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what sort of argumentation?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had explained that reasoning only.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I often present this reasoning, infact\NI have penned it down in my book Meezan.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you read the topic of \N"Believe in Allah" in my book,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have explained in detail that how\NAllah himself has presented arguments
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on his own essence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the argumentation that I term \Nas Fitri "simple" reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The argumentation that is based on the\Nintellect of common people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its evident that when we focus our \Nattention towards God, and say that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look around the world, try to comprehend \Nwhat is around you,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to look at your own existence, try\Nto understand how God has bestowed
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different abilities and wisdom to \Ndifferent creatures in the world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, are they only trying to find reasons?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was actually trying to explain the way \Nof reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never said that you should\Naccept the religious cases
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without proper reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rather, I was trying to throw light on \Nhow the Quran educates us
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find logic in the religion and \Nreligious affairs.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are two types of things: the \Nfirst one is the knowledge that is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limited to our own understanding, and \Nthe discussion of argument is either
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on observation or experience.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact this is also the way of \Nargumentation
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is employed in the religion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, there are few things that \Nhave been prohibited in the religion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those things that have been prohibited in \Nthe religion and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why they have been prohibited in the \Nreligion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to base your argument on \Nwhy certain things are prohibited
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the religion on experience or observation \Nthen you can do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certain things are related to the world \Nthat is hidden from us and
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot see that, We cannot observe \Nor experience it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, same is the case with the being\Nof God.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it is not possible the God can \Nbe shown to you or else you can
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be called up into the heavens to observe \NGod or his being.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here in this case we can make \Nlogical conclusions. 4:13