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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Khuda se Mutaliq Sawalat aur Ilm \Nal Kalam ka Jawab - PART 2
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Jawed Ahmad Ghamidi
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan Ilyas] Yesterday, I asked you a \Nquestion related to hypothetical statements
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we use in relation to Allah, \Nnauzubillah (I seek refuge with Allah)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Allah can lie, or he can make a rock\Nwhich even he can lift.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You detailed out your views on these \Nkind of discussions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a relative aspect and doubt, I \Nwant you to explain us in detail.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you are in a discussion related to\Nthe existence of God,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the argument behind confirmation for \NGod's being,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the various aspects of atheism or \Nagnosticism that are put forward.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is said that you logically conclude \Nthe arguments with intellectual evidence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other party to the discussion is\Npuzzled with your style.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question to you today is that,\NEven you include these
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intellectual evidences and arguments in \Nyour discussions,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People often say that a conversation \Nwith Ghamidi Sahib is very rational,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,logical, enlightened and intellectual.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, even your paradigm answers \Nthese modern suspicion or doubt
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by way of intellectual and logical \Narguments.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then what about simple and inherent \Narguments given by the Quran
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you often say?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmad Ghamidi] Don't you consider \Nthe inherent arguments given
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Quran as logical?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I had earlier mentioned was that,\Nthings that evolve from a specific
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,philosophical or logical background and \Npeople present these questions just to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,?? of the religion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the things that clearly convey \Nthat your addressee does not have that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perceptive attitude to understand or dive\Ninto something of this imperative nature.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that case you should follow ??
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arguments will be have there significance.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran itself is an example of \Nreasoning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what sort of argumentation?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had explained that reasoning only.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I often present this reasoning, infact\NI have penned it down in my book Meezan.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you read the topic of \N"Believe in Allah" in my book,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have explained in detail that how\NAllah himself has presented arguments
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on his own essence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the argumentation that I term \Nas Fitri "simple" reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The argumentation that is based on the\Nintellect of common people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its evident that when we focus our \Nattention towards God, and say that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look around the world, try to comprehend \Nwhat is around you,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to look at your own existence, try\Nto understand how God has bestowed
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different abilities and wisdom to \Ndifferent creatures in the world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, are they only trying to find reasons?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was actually trying to explain the way \Nof reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never said that you should\Naccept the religious cases
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without proper reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rather, I was trying to throw light on \Nhow the Quran educates us
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find logic in the religion and \Nreligious affairs.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are two types of things: the \Nfirst one is the knowledge that is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limited to our own understanding, and the \Ndiscussion of argument is either based on observation or experience. In fact this is also the way of argumentation which is employed in the religion.	For instance, there are few things that have been prohibited in the religion. Those things that have been prohibited in the religion and why they having prohibited in the religion	. If you want to base your argument on why certain things are prohibited in the religion on experience or observation then you can do that. Certain things are related to the world that is hidden from us and we cannot see that, We cannot observe or experience it. Similarly, same is the case with the being of God. Because it is not possible the God can be shown to you or else you can be called up into the heavens to observe God or his being. So here in this case we can make logical conclusions.