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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.52,0:00:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The contributions and influence of\NAsma Jehangir.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.81,0:00:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan Ilyas] First of all I would like\Nto know your impressions about
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.70,0:00:10.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a woman who is the pride of our nation
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.90,0:00:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a defender of freedom of thoughts\Nand of human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.77,0:00:17.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she struggled her entire life
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.40,0:00:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fighting for justice
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.66,0:00:23.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way securing the rights\Nof people to express their opinions
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.80,0:00:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ms. Asma Jahangir Sahiba
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.90,0:00:28.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would also like to say \Nthis in the beginning that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.71,0:00:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usually we have seen that religious people
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.63,0:00:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are interested in scholarly \Nknowledge, thought and Deen
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.89,0:00:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they do not remember and appreciate\Nsuch personalities very much
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.15,0:00:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such personalities come\Nand leave this world
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.19,0:00:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she is usually criticized for\Nbeing a free thinking woman
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.66,0:00:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, I want to ask you that\Nthe services of Asma Jahangir
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.65,0:00:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do you view her thoughts and efforts\Nin an constricted society like Pakistan's
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.86,0:00:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was her death anniversary as well
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.30,0:00:59.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you can share your thoughts about her
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.55,0:01:03.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] This attitude \Nwhich you have pointed out
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.41,0:01:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is unfortunately present in both groups
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.63,0:01:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, religious people \Noverlook this aspect that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.79,0:01:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among the followers of\NProphet Muhammad (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.50,0:01:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or those who are related to him\Nby faith
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.49,0:01:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or those who call themselves Muslims
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.72,0:01:26.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not all of them carry\Nthe same point of view
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.55,0:01:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of things have changed
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.48,0:01:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ways of thinking have changed
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.26,0:01:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way religious people \Nthemselves have explained Deen
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.62,0:01:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people's reaction to it is different
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.53,0:01:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new ideas and new thoughts have also\Ninfluenced many people's minds
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.91,0:01:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they are our brothers
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.26,0:01:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they our own people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.61,0:01:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individuals of our community
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.16,0:01:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they have carried out\Nany service for humanity
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.54,0:01:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the country
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.71,0:02:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the nation
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.22,0:02:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then instead of skirting dialogue with\Nthem on the issues of Deen and religion
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.72,0:02:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or expressing our disagreements
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.39,0:02:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must recognize these services of theirs
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.42,0:02:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is a shortcoming of \Nreligious people as well
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.11,0:02:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in our society the classes\Nwhich call themselves liberal
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.31,0:02:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they too in the matters of religious\Npeople face a similar situation
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.14,0:02:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, such people who have not\Nonly made sacrifices for noble values
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.100,0:02:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have played a great role in politics
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.36,0:02:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but their background was religious
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.26,0:02:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they were religious scholars
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.60,0:02:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they were people who were\Ninterested in matters of religion
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.47,0:02:51.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to view them with respect to their \Noverall personality
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.72,0:02:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this class is also hesitant\Nto view them as such
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.70,0:02:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to this reason it is\Na very important thing
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.94,0:03:00.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one should certainly\Ndraw attention to this
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.57,0:03:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we must keep\Nall our relationships alive
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.33,0:03:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one relationship takes birth \Nfrom our home, our family, our community
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.29,0:03:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you look at Quran-e-Majeed
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.72,0:03:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then how far it has taken\Nthat relationship or its honor
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.40,0:03:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it says that your biggest\Nrelationship is with your parents
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.81,0:03:26.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they force you on any occasion\Nthat you must hold a partner to Allah
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.70,0:03:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the biggest crime
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.36,0:03:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you won't obey them but you should \Nnot lack in good treatment towards them
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.81,0:03:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this means that the relationship\Nwhich was initiated
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.81,0:03:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to birth or descent
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.89,0:03:46.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,respect for that relationship \Nin spite of this
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.54,0:03:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where not only are they committing shirk
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.94,0:03:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they are also inciting\Nyou to commit shirk
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.94,0:03:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even then in the matter of familial and\Nsocial dealings and good manners,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.83,0:04:01.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you must not be lacking
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.16,0:04:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this has been told; it means that the way\Nin which this relationship is unshakeable
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.16,0:04:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way your relationship\Nwith your people, your nation
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.94,0:04:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the relationship\Nwith collective humanity
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.50,0:04:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you will look at the world and \Npeople around you with this broad mind
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.95,0:04:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there will be disagreements
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.19,0:04:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disagreements cannot end
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.27,0:04:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are so many disagreements
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.76,0:04:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in interpretations among\Nreligious people themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.50,0:04:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, for the same matter sometimes\Nyou get three or five interpretations
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.10,0:04:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same situation occurs between\Npeople of the same school of thought
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.64,0:04:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can gather many schools of thought\Nunder the name ahl-e-sunnat
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.24,0:04:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can gather many under\Nthe head of ahl-e-tashayyu
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.31,0:04:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can put many under\Nthe name ahl-e-hadis
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.71,0:04:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you will get to know that among \Nthe followers of the same path
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.41,0:04:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the kind of disagreements in some academic\Nand some practical matters which they have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.37,0:05:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is the same kind of situation with\Nthose who present themselves as Muslims
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.10,0:05:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but who disagree with you\Nand me on religious matters
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.33,0:05:13.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this situation\Nis an actual reality
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.61,0:05:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what can be the right attitude to this?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.45,0:05:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right attitude would be this
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.82,0:05:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that those matters in which we disagree
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.30,0:05:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should express our disagreement\Nwith politeness and respect
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.61,0:05:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never shut the door for dialogue on it
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.14,0:05:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you have to say something then say it \Nwith the same politeness and respect
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.88,0:05:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make effort to change the mind \Nand thought of people
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.28,0:05:39.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if there is any anxiety\Nabout Islam and its teachings
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.71,0:05:41.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then make effort to clear it away
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.77,0:05:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is a separate task of ours
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.80,0:05:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as long as there is no such change
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.36,0:05:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then can we overlook people's services
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.84,0:05:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their personality and the \Nvalues that they lived for
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.53,0:05:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can we overlook them meanwhile?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.16,0:05:57.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you pay attention to our society
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.15,0:05:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the way in which
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.41,0:05:59.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in personal lives
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.41,0:06:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in individual matters
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.81,0:06:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes people have\Nmany extraordinary talents
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.15,0:06:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can find those talents in people\Nfrom every school of thought
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.60,0:06:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there would be many other matters\Nin which you would feel
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.60,0:06:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is not the right point of view
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.30,0:06:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is not the right attitude
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.76,0:06:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similarly in political matters
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.78,0:06:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have said this many times before
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.32,0:06:25.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that four things hold extraordinary status
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.56,0:06:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the present times have\Ngiven us any gift
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.88,0:06:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it is these four things\Nin political matters
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.83,0:06:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one is this
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.74,0:06:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a trust has taken birth in this world\Nand it has achieved great significance
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.41,0:06:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the governments should run states\Non the foundations of democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.13,0:06:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a great event in human history
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.40,0:06:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, you can look at it from any angle\Nbut there was no other way prior to this
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.72,0:06:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people must establish their\Nrule with the force of sword
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.34,0:07:00.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and capture people and nations\Nthrough conquests
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.99,0:07:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after that nothing apart\Nfrom despotism remained
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.56,0:07:08.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and suppose that they\Nchose a peaceful way
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.14,0:07:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that way would have been of monarchy
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.50,0:07:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the institutions that \Nwere built for democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.87,0:07:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way in which different\Nconstitutions were being made
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.97,0:07:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way in which a people's covenant
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.17,0:07:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came to life as a reality
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.62,0:07:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this opened the path for us
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.10,0:07:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to establish governments on\Nthe basis of people's opinion
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.33,0:07:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way the right of people\Nto self-determination
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.94,0:07:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this change came into the world after 1928
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.52,0:07:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, it hasn't been a long time
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.20,0:07:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even a hundred years\Nhave not been completed
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.48,0:07:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,otherwise, prior to this it used \Nto be believed in the world that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.60,0:07:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I had the strength and\Nif I conquer any place
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.60,0:07:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it is my rightful government
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.97,0:07:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now this has been accepted that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.45,0:07:54.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neither the governments\Nbased on conquests are lawful
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.84,0:07:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nor can you violate the right to\Nself-determination of a region
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.35,0:08:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is any ethnic community or people\Nin a region and they have a land as well
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.96,0:08:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they believe that they\Nshould have their own government
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.37,0:08:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is their national right and\Nyou will have to accept it
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.40,0:08:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same is the case with\Nfundamental human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.82,0:08:21.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, people have had some abstract\Nsense of fundamental human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.42,0:08:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is a great achievement\Nof present times
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.33,0:08:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the thing which \NProphet Muhammad (pbuh) said
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.90,0:08:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the occasion of sermon during\Nhis farewell Hajj,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.22,0:08:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has been transformed into the charter\Nof fundamental human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.24,0:08:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a worldwide level
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.46,0:08:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is obvious that we can trace a relation\Nbetween the kernel of the Prophetic saying
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.95,0:08:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the details that exist today \Nin world order
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.94,0:08:47.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there can be disagreements on\Nsome things in this as well
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.13,0:08:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the rights which were\Nconstituted by Allah's messenger
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.32,0:08:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been transgressed by\Nmen on some places
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.10,0:08:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nevertheless, it is a big contribution
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.26,0:08:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now you see that those \Nfundamental human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.80,0:09:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are present in every\Nconstitution of the world
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.42,0:09:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arrangements are made for their protection
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.28,0:09:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the lawcourts do not give any \Ndecision that goes against them
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.28,0:09:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if such a law is made then it can\Nbe repealed on the basis of that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.77,0:09:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is not that perfection has been\Nachieved
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.71,0:09:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but its foundation has been\Nlaid on a large scale
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.68,0:09:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is not an ordinary thing
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.62,0:09:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you look at it closely then\Nyou will get to know that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.43,0:09:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a great transformation has\Noccurred in this world
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.89,0:09:30.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which the rights even of a common man \Nhas gained this significance
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.35,0:09:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is the last thing?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.56,0:09:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rule of law
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.84,0:09:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, it is no longer a thing that you\Nare a king and whatever you say
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.52,0:09:38.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will become law
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.49,0:09:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there should be a process\Nfor the formation of law
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.22,0:09:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that command which would\Nbe brought into force by any authority
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.58,0:09:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it should come through due \Nlegislative proceedings
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.18,0:09:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only then it is justified
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.12,0:09:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Asma Jahangir Sahiba was incredibly \Nattuned to these four fundamental values
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.18,0:10:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her services to our society in\Nthis matter are extraordinary
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.83,0:10:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great courage and boldness in \Nthe matters of justice
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.46,0:10:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with utmost honesty she \Nused to talk on these matters
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.94,0:10:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she used to talk such
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.36,0:10:17.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that when rest of the\Npeople kept mum
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.11,0:10:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she used to be the only one speaking
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.51,0:10:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, it used to seem like
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.36,0:10:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Allah ta'la has made this \Nwoman as if from lightning
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.93,0:10:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those people with whom\Nshe strongly disagreed
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.51,0:10:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if they faced any adversity
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.38,0:10:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it used to be she who\Nraised her voice for them
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.29,0:10:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, you can guess that the kind \Nof terror that was unleashed in our nation
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.34,0:10:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the way in which\Ndifferent groups killed people
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.50,0:10:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on the streets and markets
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.69,0:10:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they did not have any consideration for\Nchildren, woman or anyone
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.91,0:10:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the kinds of emotions that people\Nhad against that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.50,0:10:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when against those people
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.37,0:10:58.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, when our army carried out \Noperation against those terrorists
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.75,0:11:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in that it came to light that there\Nhave been violation of human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.42,0:11:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so she, who had in a way\Ndid jihad on this matter
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.71,0:11:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she had a particular viewpoint, and the\Nway she fiercely opposed the terrorists
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.68,0:11:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but on that occasion she was \Nthe only one to raise her voice
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.38,0:11:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she said that you \Ndo not have this right
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.45,0:11:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though they were the enemies of humanity
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.59,0:11:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but even you cannot\Nviolate their human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.24,0:11:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is not the job of armies
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.76,0:11:31.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they take such steps in\Ntheir passion for revenge
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.42,0:11:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can guess from this\Nher courage, strength and integrity
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.40,0:11:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the commitment one should have\Nto one's path or point of view
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.90,0:11:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the extent to which she had these\Nqualities
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.17,0:11:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how she was a great torchbearer\Nof these political values
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.21,0:11:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therefore, in my view in spite of you or\Nme disagreeing with any of her views
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.69,0:11:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of us must salute her greatness
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.32,0:11:57.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay, Ghamidi Sir \Nplease also tell us
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.49,0:11:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our society is generally\Nunder the impression
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.62,0:12:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in this ideological struggle
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.50,0:12:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a person conducts a press conference
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.96,0:12:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or releases a critical dossier
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.94,0:12:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or walks with a placard\Nor banner on Mall Road
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.31,0:12:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"so how does this bring change?"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.65,0:12:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to ask you
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.22,0:12:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she passed away and yesterday \Nwas her death anniversary
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.73,0:12:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a gathering was also arranged
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.56,0:12:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in entire Pakistan those voices which\Ncould not speak up anywhere else
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.56,0:12:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they knew that it was the occasion of\NAsma Jahangir Sahiba's death anniversary
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.40,0:12:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so people said whatever they\Nhad in their hearts openly
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.89,0:12:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so do you think that an individual, an \Nunarmed woman if she wants then
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.66,0:12:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she can change the course of a \Nsociety's vision or give it a new turn
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.56,0:12:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] There is no doubt in this
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.52,0:12:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see that sometimes \Nthe history of the world
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.86,0:12:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been changed by individual voices
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.19,0:12:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have always acknowledged that\Nthose who pick up guns and swords
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.25,0:12:54.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have always only created\Ndiscord in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.100,0:12:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if they pick them up for a good cause
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.32,0:13:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the world does not get anything\Napart from discord and suffering
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.95,0:13:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but those people who struggle\Nagainst oppression in this way
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.20,0:13:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without arms and always with arguments
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.17,0:13:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they strive to put their thought\Nacross through their speech
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.28,0:13:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only they succeed\Ngradually and effectively
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.48,0:13:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is not visible during that stage\Nbecause man is hasty
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.48,0:13:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they do not realize that how \Nthe effects reach to the bottom
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.59,0:13:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what strength they give to people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.50,0:13:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what changes it brings\Nin their consciousness
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.23,0:13:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how do they affect \Ntheir way of thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.91,0:13:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is a very gradual process
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.90,0:13:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this in my view the transformation\Nthat has taken place in the West
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.40,0:13:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after all, a transformation did\Ntake place there, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.87,0:13:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was monarchy
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.92,0:13:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was papacy as well
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.81,0:13:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you start reading the history\Nfrom the time of Holy Roman Empire
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.81,0:13:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you can guess what was the situation
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.49,0:13:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in spite all of this there are thinkers
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.94,0:13:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are great philosophers and leaders
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.24,0:13:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way there are some people with\Nsuch dervish-like attitude
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.66,0:14:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have gradually brought that change
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.21,0:14:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that after which the way I have\Nmentioned all these four things
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.87,0:14:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they became universal political values
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.56,0:14:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, today in the matter of nations
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.51,0:14:16.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these very values operate as the standard
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.74,0:14:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you say that the condition\Nof human rights is not good somewhere
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.18,0:14:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you say that there is no\Nrule of law in that nation
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.66,0:14:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact anyone can do whatever \Nthey want with anyone else
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.15,0:14:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so these are the standards according\Nto which nations are judged
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.58,0:14:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much restraint do the ones who \Nare judging enforce is a different matter
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.84,0:14:39.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at an intellectual level these\Nstandards have been set
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.28,0:14:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on their basis nations are build
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.42,0:14:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constitutions are made
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.74,0:14:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,converstations take place
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.94,0:14:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the same way gradually\Nit becomes very difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.34,0:14:53.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for tyranny to rise again in a very\Nopen and naked way
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.93,0:14:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see that in our nation this dilemma\Nhas been there from the very first day
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.29,0:15:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is that our establishment does not\Nwant any democratic government there
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.60,0:15:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, it has to also come and go
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.71,0:15:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it has to also work behind\Nsome curtains and veils
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.75,0:15:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why does this happen?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.63,0:15:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have gone far ahead of\Nother nations in this matter
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.83,0:15:18.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you said it is very constricted
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.71,0:15:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in spite of this constriction there\Nis also much freedom
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.40,0:15:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you compare it\Nwith other nations
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.69,0:15:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you cannot even imagine
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.45,0:15:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(I'm talking of other Muslim nations)
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.90,0:15:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can go look at the Arab states
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.44,0:15:33.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can spend some time\Nin the Gulf nations
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.78,0:15:36.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way I have spent\Nten years in Malaysia
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.100,0:15:39.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our nation there is greater\Nopportunity for freedom
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.53,0:15:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freedom of expression and democratic \Nthought in comparison to these nations
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.27,0:15:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has given rise\Nto these opportunities?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.24,0:15:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in actual it is due to these people
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.92,0:15:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone has done it\Nin the field of knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.18,0:15:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone has done it\Nin the field of religion
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.17,0:15:55.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way someone\Nhas achieved it in the field of politics
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.58,0:15:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it is these people due\Nto whom you see that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.33,0:16:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those people who\Nhave the power of guns
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.33,0:16:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to hide behind a thousand\Ncurtains in order to rule
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.40,0:16:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is that very intellectual power
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.25,0:16:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which gives me the hope that\None day it will change the scenario
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.77,0:16:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we will get to see a free\Ndemocratic government in our nation
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.21,0:16:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Inshallah Ghamidi Saab
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.34,0:16:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was about the life of Asma\NJahangir Sahiba's life
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.87,0:16:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we got to know your point of view\Nabout her services to our society
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.16,0:16:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,May Allah ta'la grant her salvation