capture otherwise green thinking ports in the Pacific Northwest of
reversed its eco shocking radio I'm Alex Smith let's roll.
tankers through Vancouver's scenic inlets even liquid natural gas
in the coup these and then Wes short and so which is the biggest
they wanted to call out to Asia through Vancouver there's an
the United States and Canada to export carbon to Asia.
from Wyoming.
It is in there.
Canada and then from green radio host and activist Daphne why from
Well,
Why to using American call for.
Let's talk about call how big is the export business from
University research talk Dr. James Anderson presents why climate
all these projects.
Multinational corporations would like to turn the gorgeous port of
were blocked by a public outcry in the American Pacific Northwest
Vancouver,
that's,
We reject this year after the so public outcry public opposition
trains and we don't know what the health impacts of law term
They have been exporting this 7 million tons a year for some time
But the dirty doormat for US call on its way to Asia and so right
Yeah,
active proposal to steer dirty tar sands oil into hundreds of
I guess it is.
we're going to investigate attempts by the fossil fuel industry to
you know it's a federal agency.
We know,
Do you think this is.
and White Rock with the the cliff faces slumping because of the
huge corporations with huge money to fight off giant coal ports
immensely our organization and group based in Surrey called even
coal in Canada and depending on you know who was exporting more
So what problems do Coltrane polls for local communities.
and really strong committee organizing in the state has stopped
that's a,
You know it well and in the fall of 2012 a community member in
It's a battle you hardly hear about citizens are lining up against
communities.
professor and world energy expert marked a card was arrested
Vancouver.
including from the Lonnie nation which is that right.
Vancouver internal with which exports exclusively be seen course
to the fishermen's union too you know to groups of said this is a
Maybe the ego shot.
we've held various rallies and events and we've presented at the
So it's very black and white from you know many things are in life
Oregon.
we're a democratic society.
rejected or abandoned.
It's also regulator it has absolute power over decision making on
although 2 of those projects have either been completely have been
you know we're saying the Port Authority can't make decisions that
bad idea.
do you think this anymore it's it's you now in the 19th century
they're trying to expand that to larger large volumes sure exports
around 6 million tons of call the year there,
in the order 30 to 33 million tons of call the year and about
then another one pops up like the recent proposal to ship out
understand this in the broader public gets that you know you can't
it's been,
people are rightly concerned about always look.
that's a good question their hair.
working with local governments one by one,
While so they truck at all or would they train at all the way up
It's species and its people will first hear from activist Kevin
poles and say,
I'll wrap up with some new science presented at a Harvard
about 8 million tons of that call is US thermal coal from the
It's,
Welcome to Radio Eco shock this week,
call here and there is this new proposal to build a brand new coal
Surrey told me about these 2 proposals for the expansion at
Well,
whack-a-mole you find one project,
call 4 million times now,
you're mentioning now is key Coltrane so-called trains going to
there's no real effort by government to make people aware of these
now there there.
don't think this is right.
If women avoid blowing past any sort of faith thresholds for
They just simply must look and see if this will endanger plants or
You know,
know we could probably burn a bit more.
right now we have to fully functioning courts one in North
the public until June 11 to help us decide if we should even do an
and there is no one asking the fundamental questions.
action on climate change or veto back Kevin welcome to Radio Rico
you know that the contrast is is so stark that I think the media
Call for North America Neptune exports around you know they export
that's another at another interesting thing,
Wait a minute you saying that a cloud can come off of one of those
that infrastructure we commit to devastating climate change,
that's a good point you because in a specially NBC and in Metro
You know I gonna find out and the government doesn't go along the
affect our future as a region without including Arsenal's decision
A new Cold War in Surrey.
The one in Oregon on the Columbia River faces serious difficulties
it's sort of,
It's a very narrow blinkered approach to assessing these kinds of
It's a huge,
the Department of Homeland Security and the Coast Guard require
blocking a coal train.
change is coming,
for the federal one.
SEC others noisy also vibration and you know that there's problems
all need to have a say so ways to back up to the proposal.
you know,
everything from the BC nurses' union to you then see credit union
the worst case scenario is you know an intentional rupture of
they're already running now and the planet it run more them so
know we know that we need to radically reduce the use of fossil
fuels to avoid dangerous climate change,
true bits,
diesel exhaust is a carcinogen and if a particular discrimination
huge issue,
but it's all piecemeal and it was under the radar.
and daycare senior centers,
Soon turns to gas before dispersing it can still be a risk of
I think to be here.
forward motions calling for you know proper public assessment or
is trying to use Vancouver as an outlet we've reached activist
shock.
Okay.
The World Health Organization says nighttime noise levels should
much faster than anyone thought possible and why it cannot be
they could because the other support authority that has,
may not you know captains of industry where we're,
the biggest concerns a diesel exhaust.
projects.
not to mention the explosive toxic and polluting impacts of these
salmon or sturgeon at the site of the facility.
kilometers on each side because that's how far you know I I think
It's,
The big Petronas Pacific Energy LNG project in Prince Rupert would
this Surrey outright various House leaders you know climate
through highly populated areas I just make sense.
The news you have figured out but local populations are gonna
Canada into another fossil fuel colony after call port proposals
You know it's wisdom on May said okay will accept comments from
even known that there is a comment period.
Fraser and you know put up things on billboards or or on telephone
And it's to me,
containment of Ellen of all the LNG vessels on a tanker from
along that 3 and half kilometer route and we want to know if there
You know 80% or more remain on the ground.
something like a terrorist attack or an explosion.
port on the fridge river in Surrey export exclusively American
if you added up all the proposed capacity if all of that call is
NASA scientist James Hansen famously was arrested protesting
and trains run you know within a climate of a number of schools
Great.
Port Lands and that's by land basically all along the waterline in
presented before Metro Vancouver and the region eventually opposed
that doesn't happen,
I am no supporter of the Harper government,
things you know I literally stumbled across this proposal because
companies trying to push for so many projects at once that like
White Rock Crescent Beach all on the water through there and then
That's events in question.
I'm also faces serious opposition,
The oil and bit more a gas.
it's here you know you can have more to say you can get engaged in
I guess I should say most frustrating is that there's no,
If you want to build an LNG terminal,
producing a fireball up to 3.5 kilometers away,
you know it's been pipelines and we often don't feel like we can
but in fact metro Vancouver.
liquefied natural gas ports even propane ports if we commit to
do you know we don't know how much called us is lost in these
Portland,
the noise levels in these things are over 100 decibels when the
last project and the largest at Cherry Point in Washington.
big projects on the Pacific coast.
it's something that we're standing up and saying no to thing I
just up just upstream from if you know Richmond this sort of all
There we go.
Walsh book reporting from Vancouver,
Metro Vancouver so they can approve a coal port but they take no
This is a plan for a brand new LNG terminal on the Fraser River in
So it comes on Warren Buffett's be NSF railroad up through semi
you know where to look if you go there,
I mean we always work with other groups we do events too.
corporate proposal a delegation would be about 48 million tons of
Tiber River Basin.
It will be more global warming pollution,
Kevin wash broken Vancouver he's part of the group voters taking
it's really a simple issue,
Yet,
National Laboratory essay and DIA and they conducted a study in
You know,
the mid 2000s that.
it's a bit of a lot more they're gonna pop up where they feel like
that race.
media there.
Fraser will be 1.5 times as large also in comparison.
You know they're extremely loud and they often travel at night and
Where editor group voters taking action on climate change.
So if you didn't go to the sea.
Israel on our soil.
water mania and a big movie complex and all that sort of stuff.
because it's failed to receive keep the last permanent through the
up through around Monday and over 2 cops who were shorter.
And the last 2.
Coast is recently you know 3 or 4 years ago.
then you know the Northern Gateway pipeline.
Our website is BT ACC.org that's a website.
I mean I know my thoughts are in terms of the risks to the climate
be about 7 times larger,
getting them on board about the issues having them caller put
But if that cloud of LNG that is free if Allen she didn't ignite
You know it's sort of the backdoor.
70 million tons by way of comparison the the Cherry Point
Canada.
I think you know those projects in the north.
That's,
Well,
responsibility for the external impacts that generates in the when
So I think,
worried about your future.
There's something to be concerned about your think I guess for all
wanna know what the risks are before you privy sings before or
Well,
do that and their and their interest in the non-I think what's
it's often the biggest of the business.
it's easy to local government.
There's also a lot of concern over called us,
And you know we've got a lot through public commenting websites
They were plans there were plans for 6 coal ports on the US West
I don't think so,
are you concerned about this.
Delta BC next in the cement plants Federer across the river and
and they're an extremely arrogant and remote organization so that
it's insane.
host of the syndicated radio show Earth beat on the Pacifica
Some people are somewhat more aware of this proposal for wood
So just south of the border.
Take.
If they see a website.
What do you think other communities say in the United States or
US thermal coal exports through measuring Hoover is a bad idea and
be below 30 decibels for for young people from the elderly for the
Westpac midstream to build an LNG terminal on the afraid and if
yeah,
mountaintop removal for coal,
I guess Kevin washed Brooke is an activist in Vancouver,
I guess just empowering people,
It's a bad idea.
Find most of its support to young people show up just older folks
and I mean I've read,
else's responsibility when I can assess those risks a crazy.
is it a good idea to go and LNG terminal in the face.
So that leaves DC.
scientists leaders have all come out saying their post in this for
proponent in this to me is typical bear.
concerns are key.
look at the numbers,
she's an associate fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies.
Port Authority AGM and it's,
creating opportunities for the public to engage in explicit
So it's,
this when they realize the certain size they have to let the BBC
what's kind of most interesting about this,
The local rescue themselves and I and I respect their ability to
call in dog within this year than others it it's process of
from L&G interims of what groups like the CCP in the pen.
So in that worst case scenario what hazards will be created and so
you have burn hazards and and freezing houses in these things and
All right.
it's been increasing process.
But we absolutely can't burn more coal.
where millions of people live.
Great,
So you know,
in federal government's now and the government have to decide to
The biggest one,
so I don't think it'll pushing the way I think there's so many
You know I were just on post carbon radio on K W M are in Northern
Neptune and the new call for answer it for his 3 dogs and when I
then there is simply no valid argument for building a new Cold War
assessment or not,
almost like a Crown corporation.
probably more in the future.
vibration.
while and with so that that's smart to me you know you why you
So that's an issue.
Alex is going to be here.
Britain or elsewhere could learn from the way you're group has
but in Vancouver I was tracked east Simon Fraser University
liquid natural gas via the historic Fraser River tell us what's
but the way things are going and that exceeds you know.
You've got a look at the worst case scenario.
really we we engage with the public through you know you social
Yeah,
So over the past 2.5 years we've managed to raise the profile
Trying to stop fossil fuel exports is like playing the game
exported.
facility.
health risk assessments of these projects and we've actually
and they'd rather their sort of a high school audience.
sort of any sort of property or public health and safety risks,
you can see that and you can make comment but if you don't know.
this is the footprint,
I appreciate your time.
We know there are quite a few environmentally conscious voters in
exposure to low levels of particular are from the dust.
both safety issues climate issues and we generated thousands of
It's very frustrating because you know he's a big things and we
You know the project summary description and says we want a bogus
the debate.
do an assessment or not so auto.
and there's a new proposal recently posted 4 from this US company
Kevin.
cross section,
we wouldn't require that L&G proponents examine the risks all
policy discussion are often pretty abstract like the thing that's
in the United States to put in place a climate action plan back in
going up and down the Fraser River now in comparison.
but it was they'll see a lot of LNG tankers on the river the
You know that's absolutely crazy and in the United States.
How have activist raised Vancouver's dirty coal profile in the
so this is a fairly small project,
you know if they're significant infrastructure there.
So it sounds like you are getting significant by in there.
And that's just an absurd abstract discussion we have real
their recently against becoming a dirty carbon outlet.
everything would be burnt to a crisp and and after 16 and I mean
backyard,
there's a possibility.
If there are,
whoever prism in Canada,
including Rani basically first activists and people taking over
it's a pretty compelling story because it's a very stark one you
and it's the one study after another is coming out saying that you
interesting.
I'm Alex meth at all their vehicle shock.org.
Bing Gong and current IOS it was a wide-ranging talk I'd like in
industry.
And so the tack.
Broadway and assess.
I think the concern is widespread view whether it's because you're
Let's tune in with a long-time friend of the environment.
how are we going to assess the risks from LNG tankers and and what
letters and very creative involvement from a wide array of folks
climate change and if that's the case and I and I believe it's
they said well within 5 kilometers.
welcome back.
like right now for the L&G think we've set up a website called
So my experience is that people care and they want to take action
But once we sell that L&G and it goes an LNG tanker it's someone
for sustainable economy at the same time,
appears that time you know it is not going to be welcome anymore
California with.
The Canadian run of 72 website and see that notice you would never
alternative media now Japanese in Portland,
, but this is very black and white.
I was on the BBC if I'm an assessment project or office website,
Kevin washed brick.
3.5 kilometers possibly on either side of the river into an area
yeah,
opportunities for the public to express their concern.
one's gonna be here is alive now and.
and what not right here.
It would see 120 LNG tankers a year and 90 L&G barges here and
We really are on the front lines of the fossil fuel debate in
Said,
happening there.
but I do know that they say that the risk of terrorist threats
Yeah,
If there are,
We seem to have one were reluctant to completely declare victory
I mean you know it,
there is no such requirement and although looking at here is the
that your work to stop these proposals will push fossil fuels
and furthermore if we should substitute the provincial assessment
It's so good to hear your voice again on Radio Echo shock,
Really.
I think you know our our whole focus is trying to create
anywhere in the world could when she it they're gonna want you
The federal government has given us from you know this so that
ages.
Also you can send a message directly to the federal and run a
lakes and
Can you give us your website address or your Facebook page.
call export terminal because they argue that it would violate
The final question,
Well,
Portland and then moving out to the rest of Oregon and the rest of
I know that's no okay so many backup and and quite hot.
Thanks so much.
tell us about your supporters.
examine the possibly of a terrorist attack.
thank you so much.
So as you know.
because this corporation have bottomless pockets and is doing all
tankers if they were to leak.
they may think that they don't know how or they don't know during
export debate because we have proposals for the Kinder Morgan
real LNG hearings.org and that brings together all the information
coal plant to be built next door.
sort of garlands are you,
he would decline over distance.
minister,
we've got a proposal for a new coal ports.
there's any plan for a major development on the riverfront that a
are people living there.
that it cloud of be approaching travel and still be explosive DC
Yeah,
So in the United States there there is a thing called Sandy
out Penn Beantown Pipeline Corporation to set up shop in
proposed,
you do connect a waterway suitability assessment on the entire
Now we have a proposal for well for the L&G Fraser and the LNG and
fiber LNG in squalor should have a lot of press this proposal
products right here right now there are threatening our climate.
for the Keystone XL pipeline through our reports in Oregon and
transporting an extremely volatile substance in these battles
. Well,
worried about you know the local environmental whether you're
right away as it evaporate.
Well,
tanker root out international waters to a distance of 3.5
we're gonna look at an endangered plants and archeological sites
are we going to create seems so they said.
I think the.
the one hand,
we're really focusing right now and on LNG.
Daphne,
it's hard to say who's coming from where about it really is a
You're welcome.
So that's our campaign and and I think we have a pretty good
What's the worst case scenario.
young people we work a lot with a group called Kids for climate
was going to be used for the women to cook with him in Asia,
When it comes to transporting fossil fuels are you up for that.
and in this kind of future for BC,
We want to use this victory though not just to say no one in our
the Vancouver region do you worry though,
network her articles have been published by both mainstream and
Well,
this instance to drill down to what's happening in Portland.
what have you heard about new coal ports in the Pacific Northwest
Why don't we start with Portland what battles have been fought
that there are these big projects proposed up north weather's L&G
managed to be exported along the Columbia River,
that's one of the right wing anti-environmental and and climate
so for that worst case scenario,
River have have been withdrawn,
that's the key empowering people.
Sure.
fossil fuel exports that put climate at risk because the climate
I know well,
Sure,
oil terminal get built there that project will not go forward.
take on one proposal after another that comes down the pike.
in and start working the way you're describing.
you know,
that's quite frankly because you know I am,
they're using every strategy they can Oregon apparently is number
have any for say,
and they are then it's more accessible,
raised export carbon to Asia.
and and freedom to in your area to allow these companies to come
further north along the coast to swarms or to northern ports,
happened recently with perhaps Harper have been saying that they
And you can learn more about it,
the city had largely been ahead of the curve for the rest of the
you stop one project popped up an unemployed we've decided to
Not only the northwest,
because you know that in the States they say yet explicitly
but also to alert people to just how insane.
if that's the case then why you looking at the risks from
And so that's 3 real LNG hearings.org.
outside of the northwest of course hero at the norms and trying to
Oregon.
I mean we would love to be doing something along those lines,
the time so you create an opportunity put all the information.
One place that people want to act.
but globally and to draw attention to the fact that the Pacific
footprint of this facility.
terminal here in Portland he welcomed them with open arms.
Don't see what could happen if one of the things went badly wrong
you know,
Pacific Northwest.
potentially will change the and not just the political nature of
you said,
Right.
As part of the group voters taking action on climate change.
it would be such a different story.
So I just didn't make sense from a climate action perspective to
drastically reducing greenhouse gas emissions increasing public
As the director of the climate and energy program at the Center
gas and coal corporations are using very sneaky tactics they'll
interview.
We will.
Well that's that's compared threat.
Barry hit city.
Portland's harbors and they wanted to export propane from the
like Prince Rupert or killed a man.
But the key,
White House's so-called climate championships last December,
I think that's that's looming for region is you know it's yet to
condominiums and businesses ride along the river and should this
action on events that,
These oil,
The government we train connected off between climate policy and
formed and operated.
there are still on the table,
Well,
yeah,
Local people they're gonna make their own assessment,
City Council hearings and we finally got our message across and it
squeamish so people realize is that there's a lot at stake here
going on here is that you know people down here are very aware
this however it is to our economy to iron beautiful rivers and
but you know we have in addition to the the traditional political
So you know most of our work is done online,
and eventually I wonder is it even compatible with local democracy
Daphne why for 8 years out of Washington DC,
in in the city of Portland.
pipeline,
media.
you know,
So a lot of people that I was lifting these LNG terminals are
one of the biggest tar sands pipeline operators in the Canadian
you know,
there's a lot of older concerned folks and there's also a lot of
Well,
When we do events,
you may have to do with the fact that call increasingly has become
overall greenhouse gas emissions.
what about LNG in the Pacific Northwest.
on the Fraser River LNG proposal and there's a commenting tool.
. You know,
here in in the city,
They want to export 5 times the carbon and is now being proposed
proposals that have been tabled by up and down the the Columbia
plants,
A lot of us began to organize cried foul and at the time of this
plan today called for which is you know I get under way ahead of
to announce massive liquid natural gas terminals.
terminal so there's all sorts of tricky schemes that these
unload his call trains for shipping to China,
agreed to eliminate fossil fuels by 2100 well 84 years and now no
it can do you fight back but we we need to campaign both based on
declare a ban on all new fossil fuel infrastructure starting in
claiming it was going to be used as a bio refinery the bio
Washington is and very few people are aware of just how serious
3 nationally as a target for Alex funds,
maybe the Pacific Northwest.
less and less profitable,
to to build this pipeline and exported it to other countries.
the northwest and we should be getting a hearing over the coming
I dream.
completely in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry which written
Billionaire Warren Buffet is having a hard time finding a place to
It also happened to be one of the first cities in the first city
What is happening on the US West Coast where fossil fuel companies
the early 1990s Portland decided that it really needed to take the
denialist groups that's been pushing a a very strong legislative
We have 2,
Oregon.
So it just doesn't make sense.
there's been quite a few proposals all export terminals in the
claim for example,
they are fighting and waging a very serious battle against that
It's almost like changing your light bulbs at home but along a
So rather than just playing whack-a-mole they which is sort of
concerns.
Daphne.
politicians with the ideas of more jobs and a better economy,
lining up to support this,
take these actions do for example restrict coal-fired power plant
You're listening to shot radio.
but you know the entire economy.
So we're,
development that have being proposed.
The measure decided that it was going to be a good idea to invite
I don't worry.
Northwest right now is in the crosshairs of the fossil fuel
We want ban it out outcry currently there as far as I know there's
Alex I'm I'm just mystified at you know how he can not take
country and who has a reputation intact was recognized by the
agenda in favor of big energy and they're going up oil you know.
court and try to get these treaties upheld for Native Americans is
And in many cases they are claiming,
very same terminal began to look attractive for oil exports.
Now going ask you about that.
you know past it the lifetime of any of these folks at the table
climate crisis seriously an admirable,
in a bit of a of a war here in the northwest.
one thing that people may not realize is that not only Portland,
They have been the imperative that we begin to ratchet down our
massive equation land that a lot of it in private hands.
The state of Oregon,
and I'm sure they felt very comfortable making this agreement and
politically and you know environmentally and that's certainly not
how,
we also suspect it has something to do with the fact that these
The leaders of industrial countries,
they got me a port,
It is to be pushing forward with fossil fuel infrastructure in the
fuel-efficient automobiles and then at the same time allow for
be proceeding with this this terminal.
unfortunately once again.
I know you continue to keep track of US national policy as well.
eminent domain.
know our budget would be totally balanced once we get these LNG
at the refinery to get a usable product that they get a lower
despite its reputation or perhaps in addition to that reputation.
more fossil fuels in the fragile Arctic by Shell Oil.
that are just bypassing all of our our legal structures in order
His experience and that the values of the northwest,
one of the ways 30 oil company managed to get the Bakken crude
I was disappointed.
We found that the emissions from Justice Warren propane terminal
So even if it were 2050 it would be,
So there's a lot of resistance.
Pacific Northwest and almost all of them have been defeated.
You know you're getting as good as mine.
I suppose it may have something to do with the fact that he was
anywhere in Oregon but I think he would have an awfully hard time
of Oregon and then have the export terminal export LNG from coups
essentially by the investors over the past 5 years,
year and that there wasn't a bill that originally was going to ban
So there's a lot of tension between those 2 different types of
we found that in fact it was on the used to be making proclaiming
Oregonian Gennaro regularly trumpeting all the benefits of these
gas,
Interesting.
billion pipeline that they want to build through the southern part
around preserving their trade is a concern has been without a
their treaties and would affect their fisheries the other
the number one recipient of BP's funds when he was running for
It's really hard to understand why he why he is acting only hears
If you're exporting solar panels in bulk or wind machines.
not with so much money on achieve all a lot of politicians are
What do you make of President Obama taking you know he talks
refinery went bankrupt and there and once they had already gotten
Well,
The Japanese apparently are very heavily invested you know coal
Koura Washington and that battle is now being wedged between on
for example in the case of the propane terminal they claimed it
what a lot of groups have been doing it,
big big layoffs and the financing for these companies is getting
hard to get and their stocks,
Does the state of Oregon allow fracas.
potentially a shift things moving forward.
chance of winning.
and in fact that's that's the vision that Portland quite action
and plastics and nothing to do with the alleviating the poverty
This is Radio Eco shark with Augusta long time Green radio host
Portland's emissions if if our missions were to continue to go
So you know we have to be on our guard against these companies
according to one of our guests went down 70%,
alone over several decades would be larger than the entire city of
Of course,
We've got a government in British Columbia,
this region,
suddenly start looking a lot more like Texas than Oregon both
Well I'm I'm always hopeful.
presidency.
exports and no new fossil fuel infrastructure in the city.
both are for over 40 million tons of coal exports per year they
year by city officials around this call we want no fossil fuel
transit.
foreign owned and they're claiming eminent domain,
do you expect the same rogues gallery of Republican climate
Oregon that they want to build its over$7
in fact the largest oil terminal in the entire United States is
lot of people are very excited to see happen with you know
wouldn't be all that that exciting but 2100 it is still far out
editorials saying that climate change is not a concern for
office.
20-16 that's my prediction at this point in time,
. And again on the international front.
over and over again.
Now it has not banned tracking this actually did come up this
opportunities to speak out on it.
down.
Why he would on the one hand take these,
negotiations in Kyoto and I went to several others after that and
Climate change will look very different from region to region,
from us in order to facilitate the profits of foreign corporations
where I think it's so much more freely disputed boldly about the
climate crisis and seems to be taking an awful lot of
Native Americans have an awful lot to lose in this battle.
So they're losing some money and it,
one in Long View Washington and one in Cherry Point:
Soon as we get rid of a of a coal terminal an oil terminal as
I mean whenever big oil money comes into an area.
exceptionally dry western a cool snow rainy east is it a big
Now America has elections coming up eventually,
brinksmanship and which which is what you always see it with these
deniers to be elected again in Congress.
the curve trying to push for by Kabul and walkable cities could
won in Cherry Point Washington is on Native American land on the
which have not materialized.
major pipelines being proposed just for Oregon one in southern
which is you know of course it's for export.
there,
irony in this is that many of these LNG companies are actually
for acting and then it sort of morphed into regulating tracking
being proposed right across the river from Portland in the event
were women in in Asia.
That's way too late to avoid catastrophic climate change.
Is it problematic how climate change out with regard to I I don't
to$70
candidates they're running but a lot can happen between now and
per acre,
What do you think.
that's another big battle that we're facing right now we've got 2
only land and they are,
we're really fighting on all fronts here in the north.
decolonization any trying to do but you seem to suggest in in our
to regulate it.
taking on the corporations in the banks like no other candidate is
the got elected promising all the jobs in the money and and you
So it's a great at great risk that they go to court and try to get
the issue of income inequality and Bernie standard but there is
In terms of both keeping people informed about what's really
I see that scientists say.
I mean we had a proposal that whereas the Germans and the G7 were
It was shaped in a completely different direction when we start
this century 85 years away.
It looks like the other one grabs a new year and says that's what
You know and a hit lots and lots of exclamation points after that
But again,
and not to that the American people but at least at the moment you
by 20-50 and the Canadians and the Japanese pushed back on
don't get world prices because the tires and requires so much work
especially of late.
they Oregon and another one in northern Oregon and Washington,
begin to shift at this next Senate.
the amended for the bio refinery they changed it to an oil
Well,
But you know,
sleep to come up with an agreement.
kicking the can down the road.
You now do you expect much concrete to come out of the pair's
fully understand what what what what you mean by that question can
industries are using outright lies,
how can he possibly be using a law that was created to develop
I haven't been to the last few years,
There's a chance for corruption and certainly you can woo
I don't know if he's still feeling beholden to his donors.
strongly about climate change and any approves exploration for
very little in the way of any sort of gas exploitable gas reserves
It's really inspiring to see a lot of people hurt you know just
a barrel to do it and they're only getting about 40 to 45 they
Unfortunately our elected officials there you know largely
claiming that they are,
I think what it suggests,
and activist Stephanie Weisz another big do you know Darfuris is
it's another revenue stream for them.
That's a great point,
Well,
welcoming in trains and trains and terminals and refineries
This time,
are you getting re-energized by regional activism on the west
climate talks later this year.
and I was just feeling very discouraged about all of the
what a lot of people moved to the Pacific Northwest.
So I think you know Californian dried up and continues to drag.
I mean I think the climate crisis you you know you've covered it
fossil fuel exports.
But whether we'll see the kind of truly dramatic commitments that
wanting to see elected official take action.
infrastructure for people in the United States taking on land away
the state level,
but we were sign on to do carbon the station by 2100 of course is
which is way below the market value due to land borders and the
do you see any decrease in their investments in coal and I I I
Well,
Clinton.
There's also of course the concerns that Native Americans have
In his last 2 years in office,
Well,
She probably stand a greater chance than any of the other
saying,
conferences nobody shows their hand until long after midnight on
you know,
fire power you know he's learned that explains their reluctance,
happening and and taking you know holding our elected officials
you know,
and eventually hopefully MPs that into some sort.
one of the things that we are preparing for a which is a little
The elephant in one pulls the tail on says that's what an elf.
especially in your recent shows with climate psychologists and
that may be.
wealthy countries that we saw over and over again played out its
hours and a lot of us are feeling the grief around.
that in some cases if they lose their truly get weekend.
that that wall you just keeps Nash.
members of the Unitarian coming from all over the United States
We just feel that no matter how much you through your head against
and these are the kinds of people that I would want to have.
know this is one reason why we need better campaign finance laws
these treaties upheld and that's another potential setback that
think that the climate crisis.
Oregon and both of these projects would involved.
You know as an argument in favor of her example 10 about$25,000
So I encourage people that are in any way feeling defeated by this
It feels like we are going to go back to our home communities and
thousand in the coming decades.
Let me explain why they're trying to do.
Incidentally,
That's leading local 350 chapter here in Portland.
emissions and and increase energy efficient,
Well that's good to hear now Daphne,
funny,
the G7 could only promise an end to carbon emissions by the end of
a non-binding agreement.
propane byproduct of that in the past have been treated as a waste
you know,
and that created a huge uproar where people said no we don't want
Great.
It's just too expensive to produce the tar sands.
for hacking in Oregon.
Center for sustainable economy definitely where the best places to
California wetter climates.
brothers and the other oil companies so they're listening to them
is that people have had enough of either candidate really avoiding
I wonder if there's a story or experience beyond that you think
I I had that they haven't been I I went to the climate
problem that citizens experience climate change so locally and yet
and certainly our local paper The Oregonian seems to be
bit alarming is there.
trying to you get indeed curb innovation of all other G7 economies
Dr. James Anderson and the title is coupled feedback in the
because they will energize you and keep you going in the darkest
the final made and finally everybody's scrambling on very little
You need at least$60
So we're in a bit of a,
right now.
for links in my blog at could shock.info Daphne.
issue of climate change is so broad and persons here and so
But I think what we come to the conclusion here at the Center for
retirees so level of engagement here in the northwest around the
accountable.
population in Portland for example to increased by several hundred
right.
Well,
oil processing Bernie Sanders surprisingly gaining on Hillary
is a fairly high level.
That's right,
I can only get to a few points here,
It just seemed like you know I dream of of chess with the planets
globally.
National strategy.
I think that they have a higher likelihood of retaining control of
the Pacific Northwest,
climate activism.
revealing he talked for hours and hours and hours on the record.
I did.
please keep in touch as you develop more stories.
Beautiful scene.org I'm Alex Smith reporting for Radio Eco shark.
Arctic drilling and massive oil and gas chemical exports.
coast versus the politics of living and working in Washington DC.
we call that in green line here in the Pacific Northwest them
destroying CFCs there were never there in the past ages and how
so that's a big drop in their stock value as well.
Niger influx of climate refugees to the northwest,
Well,
The areas it's happening and they want to see action taken on it,
this coalitions are some of the best members of our society and
It was great stuff.
That's true.
regardless of how it manifests in their region.
a sustainable economy is that working at the city level working at
You know.
the south and in the house when you have somebody like Hillary
suppose the Canadians do the tourist town are reluctant to see
you know we do how China coming to the table with an agreement
but you can actually affect policy at the state level,
urgently and said no,
a look at the way in which developing technology provides direct
You know I remember after the financial crash that Bernie Sanders
statement I I'm so inspired by and many of the young people that
you know you have people who see and experiencing so differently
surface and then experiments done 20 kilometers above the surface
fossil fuel industry here in Oregon.
science.
price.
serious it is,
does that affect climate change as we'll hear from those opening
DC.
what's happening is this massive layoffs in Alberta and I mean big
city officials tell us that they're expecting you know the
and they'll be focused exclusively on those climate change and
That's quite a bit and believe me he covers a lot this talk on
climate structure that set the timescale for irreversible change
we've hired a new political director.
last conversation tar sands profits are plummeting as their own.
so well,
Unitarian General Assembly that's gathering in Portland and 6,000
and demand an overall great big solution.
We probably will see quite a few people moving north from
broken a logjam between the developing countries and that the
important talk from climate week at Harvard University Center for
. The fate of the planet at stake over and over again.
EEOC so also talk about you active of injection north of the
the environment,
Also some of the same companies cap into the acts Gaston and
follow your ongoing work.
This is really research talk about 2 aspects of the climate
this is where she needed to spend her time and energy.
right around them and yet they're supposed to all unite somehow
Fox measurement.
and we saw that again this year in North America with a hot
Clinton running for office.
on the Pacifica Radio network now she's bounced between regional
what I found is that the people that end up coming out to join
So listeners just Google center for sustainable economy or look
one of the people.
with the United States that does seem to have potentially at least
The talk as Anderson tells us,
I'm not that hopeful but I I I do think to think well at least
In the short time we have left.
research into past ages showed the stratosphere that upper level
I got I kind of very tiresome.
in this country.
and so I'm gonna talk about experiments done 5 meters above the
And so we have this convicted injection into this anti cyclonic
Fox.
Tuesday that the climate structure depends in in large measure on
in which there is a far smaller difference between in temperature
So it seems that the dynamics could be different enough to
guest asked us to do which is to mobilize towards a World War 2
Thank you so much for joining us again,
the speakers.
climate negotiations.
it's both inspiring encourages me to work even harder whereas back
I mean I think that polls suggest that a majority of Americans do
are needed to stabilize the climate earning trying to,
So it's,
I think the Republicans have a very slim chances of gaining the
I think people are increasingly alarmed and are increasingly
I don't think there's any possibility of having that claim a
significant amount of time to working on the the fighting at the
would like to have solar radiation management so more fossil fuels
activism on the West Coast continuing watch over national and
of Earth's atmosphere above the weather was far wetter than today
Thanks to a tip from a radio equal shock listener and I'm so glad
I mean in terms of the deserving Northwest,
Now we do Anderson also points out a key difference between past
, in past greenhouse ages.
years ago and I'm gonna show some dominant examples of that the
and and and the polar regions and in that particular structure of
It makes me shudder because 70% of the globe is covered by the
I think you know just given her stature nationally and and
on video.
Well,
Oh yes,
yes.
the problem demands a global solution.
but just in case I basketball over these things I want to
actually came out and described who runs America and it was
it turned out to be unique over the US and it's coupled also to
He is an independent and a self-proclaimed socialist.
larger global climate structure and they exhibit inordinate
the temperature gradient between the tropics in the polar regions
come up.
crisis turn that sort of intention to mourn into an into an
Here.
gaining bilateral support,
So that's a huge surprise for the United States.
following the money and most of the money is with the club
be retrained.
of transitioning from the current structure of the climate to one
you can get a lot more done than you can trying to work in
international climate developments.
Yeah.
It's very exciting.
involving chlorine in Bromley in that were not present during the
But it has very strong good coupling into the catalytic chemical
By my side fighting any kind of battle.
if were gonna stop this monster in time.
It's the former Andy who just decided this was,
retirement or living very frugally so that they can devote a
of weather in the northern hemisphere and that's the temperature
it's just that you know the old story about the elephant people
update on shortly called climate response.
the often looks like climate change is kind of like that,
these massive fossil fuel.
easy oil shock like electric shock.org.
Anderson explains why both the left and the right may support
structure of the stratosphere.
In fact there is a website commit to respond and people were going
working on this climate crisis,
doesn't carry a huge amount of political imperative behind it.
I know I felt it for quite some time,
but there is,
really getting mobilized for example and working with the National
very different connotation because it triggers catalytic cycles
Washington DC things are very broken and Washington,
really commit to respond.
quote scientists are gaining new knowledge on changes we've made
our activity on Algerian and other oil and gas and coal exports in
developments in the climate Anderson covers a wide range of
structure,
Well,
These were the release than area.
Note how Anderson stressed the point made again and again by our
Activist network page.
organizing intention and to really stick out like-minded folks
We'll never have time to get to all the great science in the stock
A presentation of ongoing research into some important
far more rapidly than than we believe was possible even even 5
that cannot be reversed,
ocean,
if that's what's required to swim time and we need all of us to be
There were very excited about a new initiative that you can see an
is being pushed actually in a bipartisan way because the right
You know how to go through expense and it wasn't going to budge.
I know a lot of people that have dealt with either early
I don't know,
and that was basically a textbook number for for many many years,
others talking about the ways in which we turn away from just how
there was a very little temperature difference between the tropics
mean you know just smart committed,
energized.
it started to take off and when the 2007 IPCC report came out.
This is Radio Eco shot made up your iPod or computer with tons of
She is the director of climate and the energy program at the
could help raise our listeners to an even greater move into
Then I'm going to look at why these Cryer systems which are so
You can join our activist network there,
very recently nobody knew how that could happen.
But things do actually get done it Thursday.
for example,
put their careers completely on hold and are doing nothing but
which is highly unusual these days.
to be asked to do something along the same lines of what your last
Humans have also injected chlorinated substances like ozone
but it can also when you are working in coalition with others I
creative,
in Washington,
the stratosphere had to be wet.
as we'll see.
facing down this crisis.
and we were poured engaging with anyone who wants to preserve what
type mobilization to save you know I think a lot of us recognize
which as we saw from from Bryant brands talk is of a potential way
The subsequent to to 2007 but the key point is that just half a
The next point involves these methane clatter it's either of these
systems like this is a very dangerous so research on the topic is
up the difference is declining and the result is a slower and wave
We have already gone over the climate cliff he tells us how far we
wetter as it did in past greenhouse worlds many many hours flying
subtropical jet,
petroleum natural gas and they reside not only in the surface
Sustainable dash economy of our website and we are getting on
the northern world as a side note,
it cannot have that result,
Our guest Washington hosted the environmental program for 8 years
April 8 2015 in my shell blog eco shock.info.
the west coast of about 100m than it is touch of magic to it and
The wording of the stratosphere should be happening now but until
motion,
calling for the same thing both for our economy and for our planet
there are signs that people are really beginning to get it and I
can be burned and the left believes that intruding in natural
And one last thing it it really as websites seemed odd or will
and it's chirpy that's driving this entirely because it nature of
between the equator in the polar regions,
Well,
hothouse world and today this time around.
We have a preliminary paper up there and we'll be posting a lot of
and of course,
emphasize some points.
So here we plot the CO2 emissions from fossil-fuel burning in gig
reserves include coal,
also how best to work in solidarity with native Americans in
from going.
fossil-fuel burning worldwide.
Thank you.
into a major geological event that cannot be reversed.
and during the EEOC,
climate and energy program up and running.
There's very little
Arctic isotopes to stratospheric radicals.
so my mind most degenerate variable you can discusses mean global
next issue is the feedback in the climate structure because it
creates an almost unique kind of heat funnel that does inject more
of the North Slope of of Alaska and Siberia just half a percent
at least not in any timescale that matters to humans here is Dr.
guest scientist Paul Beckwith when explaining the new disruption
April 8th 20-15 was part of a series of presentations I found this
further research into controversial geo engineering first he
The National Research Council just released a new report on
measurements for example of methane and carbon di-oxide ITA topic
so is convicted injection of water,
delicate because heat of fusion for waters so small that the
your jet stream and some really strange weather for all of us in
A collision of weather factors over the continental United States
difference between the tropics in the polls as polar regions warm
typically how calibrated so 1990 have about 6 again get tons of of
the current climate shift.
which includes a few links and explanations we've blown through
are actually quite concerning.
All right,
take you right to absolutely and I do I will treat you,
produced anaerobic by decomposition of organic material and in its
And as we'll see moisture entering the stratosphere today has a
happening slow leak you know one degree centigrade per century
change and if you don't like,
course abhors a vacuum and with stuff molecules and every possible
and you'll see why those are linked,
free green audio from our website at W W W.eco shock.org that's
It also carries the connotation that you can watch think slowly
briefly on this pale your record and as Brian talked about on on
website at shock.org listen any time on the radio shock page on
both of which are coupled through irreversible connective cycles
control over these global climate systems I'm I'm gonna touch very
seeks feedback sits set the timescale for a reverse ability and
I'd like to pass on some quotes and notes from a deep and
beautiful structures ice cages within which nature inserts methane
nook and cranny in order to engage the inclusion of
carbon was added to the atmosphere by fossil-fuel burning,
with an average depth of 3500 meters,
I'm gonna take a very brief tour through the climate system to
that could be ignited with old match.
Anderson speaking at Harvard.
as I say there's a huge range of cutting science in the stock by
which doubles the carbon added to the atmosphere by all
The first one is that this global climate structure is changing
contain about 3 times the chemical energy of all known fossil fuel
the mechanism that will wet down the stratosphere over time,
, but most of it is very clear.
to the condition and nothing could be further from the truth is,
But in a kink in the system.
water into the stratosphere.
delicacy of of these Cryer systems in a cruel irony link into the
structure without a Maurice stratosphere.
we didn't get to the strange way chlorinated substances playback
Brian,
climate engineering particularly solar radiation management that
applied to this problem.
Next we'll hear about how the fragile Arctic determined so much of
our weather.
temperature and it also carries a connotation of something that's
which is a hoot demonic combination created by the dynamics.
There are several other sites like that Anderson says they have
American monsoon.
they're ubiquitous across the ocean basins this was pulled up off
demonstrate how that functions now:
any cyclonic flow over the US that that's created by the North
if you can just slow down the release of carbon dioxide and return
And so this constitutes for the next exhibit for feedback.
spoiler alert.
energy states and it turns out that methane 5th beautifully into
these water cages and this is ubiquitous Klatten nothing rates
Next we hear why James Anderson,
thinks global warming is so horribly wrong as a term to describe
and it has massive heat capacity,
tons of carbon per year yet to convert back from CO2 but canonical
release rate per year gives us around 89 tons per year,
engineering particularly solar radiation management.
and fact.
so let me start with with a bias this this term global warming
percent of the labor while carbon in the Earth's surface soils,
refers to the National Research Council report on climate
So I always avoid the term and I cringe every time I hear it.
Scientists have discovered a way the stratosphere can become
we've exceeded that of every year.
around the world found the stratosphere has the same low amount of
find an easy link to this video presentation at Harvard University
Anderson gives the example of a class 3 pulled up off the west
what's the point pointed out,
This was the worst possible cases up a red wine,
We learn of feedback switch make this developing climate shift
but in 2000,
I'll also add my lengthy notes to the blog,
emissions before they trigger much much larger carbon or methane
coast from a depth of about 100 meters,
. But I do want you to hear this.
on other climate feedback in the atmosphere plus and this is a
James Anderson.
soils of Siberia northern Alaska but also
it it ignites but the numbers as Steve,
representation is and in carbon per vehicle because of that's
the time barrier again get all past programs as free MP3s from our
sound cloud I'm Alex,
water vapor.
fall depends on whether we can rein in our fossil-fuel burning
Some of it is a little difficult for the lay person to understand
inputs from the previously frozen land and sea bed in the Arctic