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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.41,0:00:01.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think this is.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.50,0:00:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe the ego shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.85,0:00:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.68,0:00:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome to Radio Eco shock this week,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.39,0:00:13.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to investigate attempts \Nby the fossil fuel industry to
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.03,0:00:17.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capture otherwise green thinking ports \Nin the Pacific Northwest of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.15,0:00:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the United States and Canada \Nto export carbon to Asia.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.45,0:00:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a battle you hardly hear about \Ncitizens are lining up against
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.42,0:00:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge corporations with huge money \Nto fight off giant coal ports
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.95,0:00:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liquefied natural gas ports even \Npropane ports if we commit to
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.72,0:00:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that infrastructure we commit to \Ndevastating climate change,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.83,0:00:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to mention the explosive toxic \Nand polluting impacts of these
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.95,0:00:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big projects on the Pacific coast.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.59,0:00:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's species and its people will \Nfirst hear from activist Kevin
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.96,0:00:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Walsh book reporting from Vancouver,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.17,0:00:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canada and then from green radio host \Nand activist Daphne why from
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.93,0:00:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.47,0:00:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.59,0:01:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll wrap up with some new science \Npresented at a Harvard
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.22,0:01:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,University research talk Dr. James \NAnderson presents why climate
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.71,0:01:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change is coming,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.79,0:01:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much faster than anyone thought \Npossible and why it cannot be
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.04,0:01:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reversed its eco shocking radio \NI'm Alex Smith let's roll.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.21,0:01:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Multinational corporations would like \Nto turn the gorgeous port of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.24,0:01:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vancouver,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.81,0:01:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canada into another fossil fuel colony \Nafter call port proposals
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.23,0:01:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were blocked by a public outcry in \Nthe American Pacific Northwest
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.07,0:01:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they wanted to call out to Asia \Nthrough Vancouver there's an
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.29,0:01:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,active proposal to steer dirty \Ntar sands oil into hundreds of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.01,0:01:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tankers through Vancouver's scenic \Ninlets even liquid natural gas
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.73,0:01:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is trying to use Vancouver as an \Noutlet we've reached activist
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.93,0:01:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kevin wash broken Vancouver he's \Npart of the group voters taking
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.62,0:01:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,action on climate change or veto \Nback Kevin welcome to Radio Rico
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.73,0:01:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shock.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.71,0:02:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.15,0:02:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's talk about call how big \Nis the export business from
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.36,0:02:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vancouver.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.98,0:02:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.60,0:02:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now we have to fully functioning \Ncourts one in North
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.36,0:02:14.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vancouver internal with which exports \Nexclusively be seen course
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.01,0:02:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the coup these and then Wes short \Nand so which is the biggest
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.31,0:02:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coal in Canada and depending on \Nyou know who was exporting more
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.98,0:02:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's often the biggest of the business.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.60,0:02:28.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Call for North America Neptune exports \Naround you know they export
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.44,0:02:31.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around 6 million tons of \Ncall the year there,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.43,0:02:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're trying to expand that to larger \Nlarge volumes sure exports
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.44,0:02:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the order 30 to 33 million tons \Nof call the year and about
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.51,0:02:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 8 million tons of that call \Nis US thermal coal from the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.87,0:02:43.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tiber River Basin.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.47,0:02:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While so they truck at all or would \Nthey train at all the way up
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.00,0:02:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Wyoming.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.22,0:02:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.05,0:02:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.85,0:02:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it comes on Warren Buffett's \Nbe NSF railroad up through semi
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.78,0:03:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,White Rock Crescent Beach all on \Nthe water through there and then
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.90,0:03:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up through around Monday and over \N2 cops who were shorter.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.06,0:03:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why to using American call for.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.04,0:03:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.14,0:03:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.44,0:03:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a good question their hair.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.94,0:03:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were plans there were plans \Nfor 6 coal ports on the US West
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.89,0:03:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Coast is recently you know \N3 or 4 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.85,0:03:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.35,0:03:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although 2 of those projects have \Neither been completely have been
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.34,0:03:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rejected or abandoned.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.88,0:03:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the last 2.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.56,0:03:25.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one in Oregon on the Columbia \NRiver faces serious difficulties
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.87,0:03:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's failed to receive keep \Nthe last permanent through the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.78,0:03:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last project and the largest at \NCherry Point in Washington.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.94,0:03:34.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just south of the border.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.75,0:03:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also faces serious opposition,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.27,0:03:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including from the Lonnie nation \Nwhich is that right.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.12,0:03:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We reject this year after the so \Npublic outcry public opposition
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.23,0:03:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really strong committee organizing \Nin the state has stopped
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.06,0:03:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.98,0:03:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that leaves DC.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.87,0:03:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it's sort of the backdoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.15,0:03:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the dirty doormat for US call \Non its way to Asia and so right
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.47,0:03:56.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now there there.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.11,0:03:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have been exporting this 7 million \Ntons a year for some time
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.86,0:04:03.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,70 million tons by way of comparison \Nthe the Cherry Point
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.78,0:04:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,corporate proposal a delegation would \Nbe about 48 million tons of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.44,0:04:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call here and there is this new proposal \Nto build a brand new coal
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.68,0:04:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,port on the fridge river in Surrey \Nexport exclusively American
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.44,0:04:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call 4 million times now,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.99,0:04:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably more in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.69,0:04:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.19,0:04:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what problems do Coltrane \Npolls for local communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.43,0:04:23.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.91,0:04:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.20,0:04:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.49,0:04:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a good point you because \Nin a specially NBC and in Metro
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.59,0:04:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could because the other \Nsupport authority that has,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.13,0:04:31.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it's a federal agency.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.41,0:04:32.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.49,0:04:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's sort of,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.97,0:04:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost like a Crown corporation.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.27,0:04:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also regulator it has absolute \Npower over decision making on
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.67,0:04:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Port Lands and that's by land basically \Nall along the waterline in
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.73,0:04:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Metro Vancouver so they can approve \Na coal port but they take no
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.82,0:04:50.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,responsibility for the external impacts \Nthat generates in the when
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.41,0:04:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're mentioning now is key Coltrane \Nso-called trains going to
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.18,0:04:54.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.77,0:04:57.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know they're extremely loud and \Nthey often travel at night and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.69,0:05:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the noise levels in these things \Nare over 100 decibels when the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.96,0:05:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the way things are going \Nand that exceeds you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.55,0:05:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The World Health Organization says \Nnighttime noise levels should
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.86,0:05:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be below 30 decibels for for young \Npeople from the elderly for the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.47,0:05:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SEC others noisy also vibration and \Nyou know that there's problems
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.13,0:05:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and White Rock with the the cliff \Nfaces slumping because of the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.93,0:05:17.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vibration.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.81,0:05:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also a lot of concern \Nover called us,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.66,0:05:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you know we don't know how much \Ncalled us is lost in these
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.02,0:05:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trains and we don't know what the \Nhealth impacts of law term
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.97,0:05:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposure to low levels of particular \Nare from the dust.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.92,0:05:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's an issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.90,0:05:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The biggest one,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.53,0:05:33.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the biggest concerns a diesel exhaust.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.07,0:05:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.48,0:05:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diesel exhaust is a carcinogen and \Nif a particular discrimination
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.61,0:05:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trains run you know within a \Nclimate of a number of schools
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.48,0:05:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and daycare senior centers,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.45,0:05:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're already running now and \Nthe planet it run more them so
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.28,0:05:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people are rightly concerned \Nabout always look.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.98,0:05:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How have activist raised Vancouver's \Ndirty coal profile in the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.71,0:05:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media there.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.03,0:05:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.26,0:05:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's been,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.87,0:05:56.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's been increasing process.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.11,0:06:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it well and in the fall \Nof 2012 a community member in
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.33,0:06:03.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Surrey told me about these 2 proposals \Nfor the expansion at
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.87,0:06:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neptune and the new call for answer \Nit for his 3 dogs and when I
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.84,0:06:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at the numbers,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.57,0:06:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you added up all the proposed \Ncapacity if all of that call is
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.90,0:06:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exported.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.66,0:06:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will be more global warming pollution,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.71,0:06:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you know the Northern \NGateway pipeline.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.39,0:06:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a huge,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.44,0:06:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.44,0:06:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's all piecemeal and \Nit was under the radar.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.89,0:06:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So over the past 2.5 years we've \Nmanaged to raise the profile
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.06,0:06:29.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immensely our organization and group \Nbased in Surrey called even
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.83,0:06:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call in dog within this year than \Nothers it it's process of
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.24,0:06:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working with local governments one by one,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.70,0:06:39.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting them on board about the \Nissues having them caller put
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.43,0:06:42.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forward motions calling for you know \Nproper public assessment or
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.87,0:06:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,health risk assessments of these \Nprojects and we've actually
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.54,0:06:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presented before Metro Vancouver and \Nthe region eventually opposed
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.47,0:06:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this Surrey outright various House \Nleaders you know climate
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.79,0:07:00.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientists leaders have all come out \Nsaying their post in this for
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.37,0:07:04.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything from the BC nurses' union \Nto you then see credit union
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.07,0:07:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the fishermen's union too you \Nknow to groups of said this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.14,0:07:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.80,0:07:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.08,0:07:12.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've held various rallies and events \Nand we've presented at the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.78,0:07:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Port Authority AGM and it's,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.61,0:07:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really a simple issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.12,0:07:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know we're saying the Port Authority \Ncan't make decisions that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.32,0:07:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,affect our future as a region without \Nincluding Arsenal's decision
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.70,0:07:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're an extremely arrogant \Nand remote organization so that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.29,0:07:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know that the contrast is is \Nso stark that I think the media
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.16,0:07:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand this in the broader public \Ngets that you know you can't
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.12,0:07:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think this anymore it's it's \Nyou now in the 19th century
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.40,0:07:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may not you know captains \Nof industry where we're,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.07,0:07:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're a democratic society.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.26,0:07:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.48,0:07:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NASA scientist James Hansen famously \Nwas arrested protesting
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.71,0:07:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mountaintop removal for coal,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.79,0:07:51.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in Vancouver I was tracked \Neast Simon Fraser University
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.01,0:07:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,professor and world energy expert \Nmarked a card was arrested
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.30,0:07:55.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocking a coal train.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.86,0:07:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it sounds like you are getting \Nsignificant by in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.98,0:07:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.88,0:08:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a pretty compelling story because \Nit's a very stark one you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.32,0:08:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know we know that we need to radically \Nreduce the use of fossil
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.32,0:08:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fuels to avoid dangerous climate change,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.87,0:08:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's the one study after another \Nis coming out saying that you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.23,0:08:14.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know we could probably burn a bit more.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.47,0:08:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The oil and bit more a gas.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.73,0:08:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we absolutely can't burn more coal.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.42,0:08:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know 80% or more remain on the ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.21,0:08:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If women avoid blowing past any \Nsort of faith thresholds for
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.88,0:08:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate change and if that's the \Ncase and I and I believe it's
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.30,0:08:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,true bits,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.69,0:08:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I mean I've read,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.73,0:08:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there is simply no valid argument \Nfor building a new Cold War
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.98,0:08:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anywhere in the world could when \Nshe it they're gonna want you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.54,0:08:36.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that race.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.01,0:08:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's very black and white from \Nyou know many things are in life
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.90,0:08:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, but this is very black and white.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.24,0:08:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A new Cold War in Surrey.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.67,0:08:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a bad idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.64,0:08:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,US thermal coal exports through measuring \NHoover is a bad idea and
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.47,0:08:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's something that we're standing \Nup and saying no to thing I
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.18,0:08:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't think this is right.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.74,0:08:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trying to stop fossil fuel exports \Nis like playing the game
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.16,0:08:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whack-a-mole you find one project,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.06,0:08:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then another one pops up like the \Nrecent proposal to ship out
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.72,0:09:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liquid natural gas via the historic \NFraser River tell us what's
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.91,0:09:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening there.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.97,0:09:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.20,0:09:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's another at another \Ninteresting thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.92,0:09:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean you know it,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.67,0:09:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's kind of most interesting \Nabout this,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.24,0:09:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.42,0:09:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I should say most frustrating \Nis that there's no,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.15,0:09:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's no real effort by government \Nto make people aware of these
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.40,0:09:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things you know I literally stumbled \Nacross this proposal because
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.86,0:09:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was on the BBC if I'm an assessment \Nproject or office website,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.74,0:09:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a new proposal recently \Nposted 4 from this US company
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.60,0:09:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Westpac midstream to build an LNG \Nterminal on the afraid and if
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.45,0:09:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know where to look if you go there,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.71,0:09:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see that and you can make \Ncomment but if you don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.18,0:09:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I gonna find out and the \Ngovernment doesn't go along the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.33,0:09:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fraser and you know put up things \Non billboards or or on telephone
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.06,0:09:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,poles and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.55,0:09:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you concerned about this.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.91,0:09:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The federal government has given \Nus from you know this so that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.63,0:09:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this when they realize the certain \Nsize they have to let the BBC
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.64,0:09:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in federal government's now and the \Ngovernment have to decide to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.71,0:09:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do an assessment or not so auto.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.31,0:09:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it's wisdom on May said \Nokay will accept comments from
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.13,0:10:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public until June 11 to help us \Ndecide if we should even do an
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.64,0:10:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assessment or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.87,0:10:06.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and furthermore if we should substitute \Nthe provincial assessment
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.17,0:10:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the federal one.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.46,0:10:09.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you didn't go to the sea.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.55,0:10:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they see a website.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.80,0:10:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Canadian run of 72 website and \Nsee that notice you would never
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.29,0:10:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even known that there is a comment period.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.68,0:10:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very frustrating because you \Nknow he's a big things and we
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.16,0:10:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all need to have a say so ways \Nto back up to the proposal.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.39,0:10:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a plan for a brand new LNG \Nterminal on the Fraser River in
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.51,0:10:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Delta BC next in the cement plants \NFederer across the river and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.37,0:10:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just up just upstream from if you \Nknow Richmond this sort of all
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.44,0:10:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water mania and a big movie complex \Nand all that sort of stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.80,0:10:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would see 120 LNG tankers a year \Nand 90 L&G barges here and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.68,0:10:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going up and down the Fraser \NRiver now in comparison.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.50,0:10:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people are somewhat more aware \Nof this proposal for wood
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.94,0:10:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fiber LNG in squalor should have \Na lot of press this proposal
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.41,0:10:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fraser will be 1.5 times as \Nlarge also in comparison.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.22,0:11:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The big Petronas Pacific Energy LNG \Nproject in Prince Rupert would
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.43,0:11:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be about 7 times larger,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.67,0:11:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is a fairly small project,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.66,0:11:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was they'll see a lot of \NLNG tankers on the river the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.54,0:11:08.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proponent in this to me is typical bear.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.63,0:11:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know the project summary description \Nand says we want a bogus
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.60,0:11:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facility.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.20,0:11:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.61,0:11:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the footprint,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.94,0:11:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're gonna look at an endangered \Nplants and archeological sites
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.76,0:11:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what not right here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.72,0:11:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But once we sell that L&G and it \Ngoes an LNG tanker it's someone
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.52,0:11:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else's responsibility when I can \Nassess those risks a crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.64,0:11:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know that's absolutely crazy \Nand in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.28,0:11:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to build an LNG terminal,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.08,0:11:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Department of Homeland Security \Nand the Coast Guard require
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.89,0:11:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do connect a waterway suitability \Nassessment on the entire
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.91,0:11:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tanker root out international \Nwaters to a distance of 3.5
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.17,0:11:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kilometers on each side because that's \Nhow far you know I I think
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.87,0:11:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it cloud of be approaching travel \Nand still be explosive DC
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.24,0:11:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't happen,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.02,0:11:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is no one asking \Nthe fundamental questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.80,0:11:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The final question,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.49,0:11:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it a good idea to go and \NLNG terminal in the face.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.77,0:11:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.00,0:12:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They just simply must look and see \Nif this will endanger plants or
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.15,0:12:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,salmon or sturgeon at the \Nsite of the facility.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.04,0:12:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very narrow blinkered approach \Nto assessing these kinds of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.14,0:12:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.02,0:12:10.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wait a minute you saying that a cloud \Ncan come off of one of those
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.82,0:12:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tankers if they were to leak.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.27,0:12:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.69,0:12:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3.5 kilometers possibly on either \Nside of the river into an area
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.49,0:12:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where millions of people live.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.53,0:12:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.79,0:12:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that's no okay so many \Nbackup and and quite hot.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.84,0:12:25.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in the United States there \Nthere is a thing called Sandy
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.30,0:12:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,National Laboratory essay and DIA \Nand they conducted a study in
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.30,0:12:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mid 2000s that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.70,0:12:30.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Said,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.95,0:12:31.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.63,0:12:34.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how are we going to assess the risks \Nfrom LNG tankers and and what
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.81,0:12:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of garlands are you,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.86,0:12:38.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are we going to create seems so they said.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.87,0:12:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the worst case scenario.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.89,0:12:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.03,0:12:44.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the worst case scenario is you \Nknow an intentional rupture of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.15,0:12:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,containment of Ellen of all the \NLNG vessels on a tanker from
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.15,0:12:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like a terrorist \Nattack or an explosion.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.45,0:12:55.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in that worst case scenario what \Nhazards will be created and so
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.61,0:12:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they said well within 5 kilometers.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.27,0:12:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.57,0:13:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything would be burnt to a crisp \Nand and after 16 and I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.44,0:13:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have burn hazards and and freezing \Nhouses in these things and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.78,0:13:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would decline over distance.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.31,0:13:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if that cloud of LNG that is \Nfree if Allen she didn't ignite
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.81,0:13:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right away as it evaporate.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.03,0:13:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon turns to gas before dispersing \Nit can still be a risk of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.17,0:13:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,producing a fireball up \Nto 3.5 kilometers away,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.86,0:13:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so for that worst case scenario,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.51,0:13:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we wouldn't require that L&G proponents \Nexamine the risks all
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.11,0:13:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along that 3 and half kilometer route \Nand we want to know if there
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.76,0:13:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are people living there.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.65,0:13:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there are,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.52,0:13:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know if they're significant \Ninfrastructure there.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.54,0:13:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there are,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.87,0:13:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know well,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.46,0:13:38.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of any sort of property or \Npublic health and safety risks,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.93,0:13:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you know that in the States \Nthey say yet explicitly
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.71,0:13:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,examine the possibly of \Na terrorist attack.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.44,0:13:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got a look at the \Nworst case scenario.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.95,0:13:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't see what could happen if one \Nof the things went badly wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.42,0:13:51.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while and with so that that's smart \Nto me you know you why you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.29,0:13:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanna know what the risks are before \Nyou privy sings before or
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.52,0:13:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whoever prism in Canada,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.63,0:13:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no such requirement and \Nalthough looking at here is the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.93,0:14:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,footprint of this facility.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.07,0:14:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.86,0:14:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's quite frankly because \Nyou know I am,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.11,0:14:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am no supporter of the \NHarper government,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.61,0:14:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do know that they say that \Nthe risk of terrorist threats
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.22,0:14:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Israel on our soil.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.75,0:14:11.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.90,0:14:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that's the case then why you \Nlooking at the risks from
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.74,0:14:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transporting an extremely volatile \Nsubstance in these battles
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.03,0:14:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through highly populated \Nareas I just make sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.26,0:14:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.56,0:14:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kevin washed brick.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.43,0:14:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know there are quite a few environmentally \Nconscious voters in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.78,0:14:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Vancouver region do you worry though,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.60,0:14:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that your work to stop these proposals \Nwill push fossil fuels
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.85,0:14:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further north along the coast to \Nswarms or to northern ports,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.95,0:14:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Prince Rupert or killed a man.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.08,0:14:40.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's events in question.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.25,0:14:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think so,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.22,0:14:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you know those \Nprojects in the north.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.98,0:14:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Local people they're gonna \Nmake their own assessment,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.20,0:14:49.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I know my thoughts are in terms \Nof the risks to the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.33,0:14:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from L&G interims of what groups \Nlike the CCP in the pen.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.00,0:14:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The news you have figured out but \Nlocal populations are gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.48,0:14:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Broadway and assess.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.32,0:15:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The local rescue themselves and I \Nand I respect their ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.22,0:15:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do that and their and their interest \Nin the non-I think what's
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.97,0:15:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going on here is that you know people \Ndown here are very aware
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.75,0:15:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there are these big projects \Nproposed up north weather's L&G
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.06,0:15:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it's been pipelines and \Nwe often don't feel like we can
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.79,0:15:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have any for say,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.73,0:15:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in this kind of future for BC,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.06,0:15:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in fact metro Vancouver.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.52,0:15:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We really are on the front lines \Nof the fossil fuel debate in
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.63,0:15:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,export debate because we have proposals \Nfor the Kinder Morgan
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.99,0:15:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pipeline,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.64,0:15:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've got a proposal for a new coal ports.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.66,0:15:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have a proposal for well for \Nthe L&G Fraser and the LNG and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.94,0:15:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,squeamish so people realize is that \Nthere's a lot at stake here
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.77,0:15:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are then it's more accessible,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.03,0:15:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's here you know you can have more \Nto say you can get engaged in
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.36,0:15:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.80,0:15:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can learn more about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.29,0:15:45.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I don't think it'll pushing the \Nway I think there's so many
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.01,0:15:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies trying to push for so \Nmany projects at once that like
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.84,0:15:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you said,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.10,0:15:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a bit of a lot more they're gonna \Npop up where they feel like
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.40,0:15:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a possibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.11,0:15:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where editor group voters taking \Naction on climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.24,0:16:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Find most of its support to young \Npeople show up just older folks
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.57,0:16:01.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tell us about your supporters.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.14,0:16:02.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.90,0:16:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.18,0:16:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's insane.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.92,0:16:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know most of our \Nwork is done online,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.30,0:16:09.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really we we engage with the public \Nthrough you know you social
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.95,0:16:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.96,0:16:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we do events,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.05,0:16:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we always work with other \Ngroups we do events too.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.24,0:16:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.65,0:16:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's hard to say who's coming from \Nwhere about it really is a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.33,0:16:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cross section,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.95,0:16:20.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a lot of older concerned \Nfolks and there's also a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.65,0:16:22.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,young people we work a lot with \Na group called Kids for climate
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.86,0:16:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,action on events that,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.29,0:16:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they'd rather their sort \Nof a high school audience.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.63,0:16:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.39,0:16:30.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the concern is widespread \Nview whether it's because you're
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.61,0:16:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worried about you know the local \Nenvironmental whether you're
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.12,0:16:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worried about your future.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.12,0:16:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's something to be concerned \Nabout your think I guess for all
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.50,0:16:38.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ages.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.37,0:16:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the tack.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.16,0:16:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think other communities \Nsay in the United States or
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.25,0:16:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Britain or elsewhere could learn \Nfrom the way you're group has
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.84,0:16:49.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,formed and operated.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.92,0:16:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.35,0:16:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.48,0:16:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you know our our whole \Nfocus is trying to create
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.42,0:16:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunities for the public \Nto express their concern.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.83,0:17:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government we train connected \Noff between climate policy and
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.66,0:17:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil fuel exports that put climate \Nat risk because the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.29,0:17:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policy discussion are often pretty \Nabstract like the thing that's
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.70,0:17:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened recently with perhaps Harper \Nhave been saying that they
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.94,0:17:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agreed to eliminate fossil fuels \Nby 2100 well 84 years and now no
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.40,0:17:16.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one's gonna be here is alive now and.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.31,0:17:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's just an absurd abstract \Ndiscussion we have real
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.55,0:17:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,products right here right now there \Nare threatening our climate.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.07,0:17:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.17,0:17:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating opportunities for the \Npublic to engage in explicit
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.16,0:17:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerns are key.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.08,0:17:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know we've got a lot through \Npublic commenting websites
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.34,0:17:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like right now for the L&G think \Nwe've set up a website called
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.50,0:17:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,real LNG hearings.org and that brings \Ntogether all the information
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.88,0:17:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Fraser River LNG proposal \Nand there's a commenting tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.44,0:17:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also you can send a message directly \Nto the federal and run a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.50,0:17:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minister,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.06,0:17:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's easy to local government.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.33,0:17:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my experience is that people care \Nand they want to take action
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.87,0:17:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.48,0:17:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they may think that they don't know \Nhow or they don't know during
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.69,0:17:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time so you create an opportunity \Nput all the information.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.69,0:17:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One place that people want to act.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.11,0:17:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess just empowering people,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.59,0:18:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the key empowering people.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.43,0:18:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you give us your website address \Nor your Facebook page.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.59,0:18:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.00,0:18:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our website is BT ACC.org \Nthat's a website.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.74,0:18:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the key,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.53,0:18:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're really focusing \Nright now and on LNG.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.66,0:18:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that's 3 real LNG hearings.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.13,0:18:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.44,0:18:17.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.09,0:18:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess Kevin washed Brooke is \Nan activist in Vancouver,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.00,0:18:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canada.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.69,0:18:24.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As part of the group voters taking \Naction on climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.18,0:18:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I appreciate your time.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.20,0:18:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kevin.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.52,0:18:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.05,0:18:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.71,0:18:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.95,0:18:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're listening to shot radio.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.96,0:18:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't worry.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.25,0:18:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Alex meth at all their \Nvehicle shock.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.89,0:18:44.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is happening on the US West Coast \Nwhere fossil fuel companies
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.59,0:18:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,raised export carbon to Asia.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.25,0:18:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's tune in with a long-time \Nfriend of the environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.76,0:18:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daphne why for 8 years \Nout of Washington DC,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.49,0:18:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daphne,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.01,0:18:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,host of the syndicated radio show \NEarth beat on the Pacifica
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.51,0:19:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network her articles have been published \Nby both mainstream and
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.27,0:19:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alternative media now \NJapanese in Portland,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.88,0:19:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.66,0:19:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As the director of the climate and \Nenergy program at the Center
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.25,0:19:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for sustainable economy at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.06,0:19:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she's an associate fellow at the \NInstitute for Policy Studies.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.89,0:19:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daphne.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.33,0:19:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's so good to hear your voice \Nagain on Radio Echo shock,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.23,0:19:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcome back.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.37,0:19:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.09,0:19:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex is going to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.07,0:19:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I were just on post carbon \Nradio on K W M are in Northern
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.24,0:19:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,California with.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.20,0:19:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bing Gong and current IOS it was \Na wide-ranging talk I'd like in
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.48,0:19:34.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this instance to drill down to \Nwhat's happening in Portland.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.94,0:19:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The state of Oregon,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.82,0:19:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe the Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.46,0:19:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it comes to transporting fossil \Nfuels are you up for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.82,0:19:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I dream.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.04,0:19:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.47,0:19:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why don't we start with Portland \Nwhat battles have been fought
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.16,0:19:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their recently against becoming \Na dirty carbon outlet.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.67,0:19:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.92,0:19:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one thing that people may not realize \Nis that not only Portland,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.56,0:19:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.63,0:19:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Barry hit city.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.81,0:20:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It also happened to be one of the \Nfirst cities in the first city
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.12,0:20:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United States to put in place \Na climate action plan back in
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.81,0:20:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the early 1990s Portland decided that \Nit really needed to take the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.90,0:20:12.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate crisis seriously an admirable,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.53,0:20:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the city had largely been ahead of \Nthe curve for the rest of the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.86,0:20:21.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,country and who has a reputation \Nintact was recognized by the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.61,0:20:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,White House's so-called climate \Nchampionships last December,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.93,0:20:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite its reputation or perhaps \Nin addition to that reputation.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.84,0:20:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The measure decided that it was going \Nto be a good idea to invite
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.69,0:20:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the biggest tar sands pipeline \Noperators in the Canadian
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.34,0:20:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out Penn Beantown Pipeline Corporation \Nto set up shop in
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.58,0:20:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland's harbors and they wanted \Nto export propane from the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.52,0:20:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terminal here in Portland he welcomed \Nthem with open arms.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.70,0:21:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of us began to organize cried \Nfoul and at the time of this
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.55,0:21:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interview.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.20,0:21:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We seem to have one were reluctant \Nto completely declare victory
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.28,0:21:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this corporation have bottomless \Npockets and is doing all
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.70,0:21:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can do you fight back but we we \Nneed to campaign both based on
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.02,0:21:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both safety issues climate issues \Nand we generated thousands of
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.10,0:21:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,letters and very creative involvement \Nfrom a wide array of folks
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.66,0:21:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here in in the city,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.07,0:21:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including Rani basically first activists \Nand people taking over
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.57,0:21:38.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,City Council hearings and we finally \Ngot our message across and it
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.10,0:21:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appears that time you know it is \Nnot going to be welcome anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.59,0:21:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in in the city of Portland.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.34,0:21:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to use this victory though \Nnot just to say no one in our
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.04,0:21:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,backyard,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.44,0:21:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also to alert people \Nto just how insane.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.82,0:21:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is to be pushing forward with fossil \Nfuel infrastructure in the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.46,0:22:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.79,0:22:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have been the imperative that \Nwe begin to ratchet down our
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.61,0:22:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overall greenhouse gas emissions.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.42,0:22:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only the northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.44,0:22:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but globally and to draw attention \Nto the fact that the Pacific
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.74,0:22:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Northwest right now is in the \Ncrosshairs of the fossil fuel
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.03,0:22:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,industry.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.61,0:22:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want to export 5 times the carbon \Nand is now being proposed
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.25,0:22:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Keystone XL pipeline through \Nour reports in Oregon and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.63,0:22:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Washington is and very few people \Nare aware of just how serious
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.52,0:22:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this however it is to our economy \Nto iron beautiful rivers and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.15,0:22:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lakes and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.39,0:22:46.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside of the northwest of course \Nhero at the norms and trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.33,0:22:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take on one proposal after another \Nthat comes down the pike.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.67,0:22:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So rather than just playing whack-a-mole \Nthey which is sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.88,0:22:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what a lot of groups have been doing it,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.37,0:23:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you stop one project popped up \Nan unemployed we've decided to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.59,0:23:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,declare a ban on all new fossil \Nfuel infrastructure starting in
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.14,0:23:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland and then moving out to the \Nrest of Oregon and the rest of
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.61,0:23:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the northwest and we should be getting \Na hearing over the coming
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.93,0:23:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year by city officials around this \Ncall we want no fossil fuel
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.92,0:23:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exports and no new fossil fuel \Ninfrastructure in the city.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.22,0:23:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's our campaign and and \NI think we have a pretty good
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.86,0:23:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chance of winning.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.17,0:23:29.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.39,0:23:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be such a different story.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.83,0:23:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're exporting solar panels \Nin bulk or wind machines.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.27,0:23:36.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.01,0:23:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.34,0:23:39.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we would love to be doing \Nsomething along those lines,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.85,0:23:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in fact that's that's the vision \Nthat Portland quite action
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.53,0:23:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plan today called for which is you \Nknow I get under way ahead of
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.99,0:23:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the curve trying to push for by \NKabul and walkable cities could
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.37,0:23:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drastically reducing greenhouse \Ngas emissions increasing public
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.89,0:23:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transit.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.59,0:23:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it just doesn't make sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.74,0:24:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We found that the emissions from \NJustice Warren propane terminal
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.85,0:24:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alone over several decades would be \Nlarger than the entire city of
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.84,0:24:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland's emissions if if our missions \Nwere to continue to go
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.92,0:24:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.35,0:24:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just didn't make sense from \Na climate action perspective to
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.68,0:24:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be proceeding with this this terminal.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.33,0:24:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.58,0:24:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's almost like changing your light \Nbulbs at home but along a
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.10,0:24:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coal plant to be built next door.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.08,0:24:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.54,0:24:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Billionaire Warren Buffet is having \Na hard time finding a place to
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.50,0:24:32.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unload his call trains \Nfor shipping to China,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.18,0:24:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what have you heard about new coal \Nports in the Pacific Northwest
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.12,0:24:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.30,0:24:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.55,0:24:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's been quite a few proposals \Nall export terminals in the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.71,0:24:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pacific Northwest and almost all \Nof them have been defeated.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.53,0:24:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have 2,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.37,0:24:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are still on the table,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.91,0:24:53.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one in Long View Washington \Nand one in Cherry Point:
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.83,0:24:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both are for over 40 million tons \Nof coal exports per year they
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.92,0:25:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,won in Cherry Point Washington is \Non Native American land on the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.98,0:25:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only land and they are,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.53,0:25:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are fighting and waging a very \Nserious battle against that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.00,0:25:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call export terminal because they \Nargue that it would violate
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.72,0:25:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their treaties and would affect \Ntheir fisheries the other
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.43,0:25:25.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposals that have been tabled \Nby up and down the the Columbia
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.14,0:25:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,River have have been withdrawn,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.68,0:25:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially by the investors \Nover the past 5 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.40,0:25:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may have to do with the fact that \Ncall increasingly has become
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.46,0:25:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less and less profitable,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.58,0:25:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we also suspect it has something \Nto do with the fact that these
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.55,0:25:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very same terminal began to look \Nattractive for oil exports.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.86,0:25:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon as we get rid of a of a coal \Nterminal an oil terminal as
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.03,0:25:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposed,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.79,0:25:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact the largest oil terminal \Nin the entire United States is
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.89,0:26:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being proposed right across the river \Nfrom Portland in the event
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.69,0:26:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Koura Washington and that battle \Nis now being wedged between on
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.05,0:26:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one hand,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.00,0:26:12.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's any plan for a major development \Non the riverfront that a
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.77,0:26:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of people are very excited \Nto see happen with you know
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.26,0:26:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,condominiums and businesses ride \Nalong the river and should this
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.11,0:26:24.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oil terminal get built there that \Nproject will not go forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.63,0:26:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's a lot of tension between \Nthose 2 different types of
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.48,0:26:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,development that have being proposed.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.97,0:26:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.77,0:26:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over and over again.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.25,0:26:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These oil,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.21,0:26:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gas and coal corporations are using \Nvery sneaky tactics they'll
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.43,0:26:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claim for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.57,0:26:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the ways 30 oil company managed \Nto get the Bakken crude
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.05,0:26:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,managed to be exported along \Nthe Columbia River,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.52,0:26:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they got me a port,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.36,0:26:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claiming it was going to be used \Nas a bio refinery the bio
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.63,0:26:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,refinery went bankrupt and there \Nand once they had already gotten
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.94,0:27:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the amended for the bio refinery \Nthey changed it to an oil
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.34,0:27:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terminal so there's all sorts \Nof tricky schemes that these
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.95,0:27:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,industries are using outright lies,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.97,0:27:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claiming that they are,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.29,0:27:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.62,0:27:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example in the case of the propane \Nterminal they claimed it
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.00,0:27:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was going to be used for the women \Nto cook with him in Asia,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.58,0:27:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we found that in fact it was on the \Nused to be making proclaiming
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.63,0:27:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and plastics and nothing to do with \Nthe alleviating the poverty
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.80,0:27:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were women in in Asia.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.64,0:27:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know we have to be on our \Nguard against these companies
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.79,0:27:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.05,0:27:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're using every strategy they \Ncan Oregon apparently is number
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.33,0:27:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3 nationally as a target for Alex funds,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.00,0:27:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's one of the right wing anti-environmental \Nand and climate
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.35,0:27:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,denialist groups that's been pushing \Na a very strong legislative
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.41,0:27:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agenda in favor of big energy and \Nthey're going up oil you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.39,0:27:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.82,0:27:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're really fighting on all \Nfronts here in the north.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.42,0:27:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now going ask you about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.73,0:28:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean whenever big oil money \Ncomes into an area.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.90,0:28:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a chance for corruption \Nand certainly you can woo
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.37,0:28:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politicians with the ideas of more \Njobs and a better economy,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.20,0:28:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and eventually I wonder is it even \Ncompatible with local democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.03,0:28:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and and freedom to in your area to \Nallow these companies to come
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.00,0:28:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in and start working the \Nway you're describing.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.12,0:28:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well that's that's compared threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.13,0:28:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's that's looming for \Nregion is you know it's yet to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.08,0:28:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially will change the and not \Njust the political nature of
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.60,0:28:30.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this region,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.35,0:28:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know the entire economy.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.81,0:28:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was shaped in a completely different \Ndirection when we start
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.90,0:28:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcoming in trains and trains \Nand terminals and refineries
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.59,0:28:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suddenly start looking a lot more \Nlike Texas than Oregon both
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.39,0:28:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politically and you know environmentally \Nand that's certainly not
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.90,0:28:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what a lot of people moved \Nto the Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.43,0:28:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His experience and that the \Nvalues of the northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.14,0:29:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know we have in addition \Nto the the traditional political
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.30,0:29:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerns.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.94,0:29:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also of course the concerns \Nthat Native Americans have
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.49,0:29:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around preserving their trade is \Na concern has been without a
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.33,0:29:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,court and try to get these treaties \Nupheld for Native Americans is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.97,0:29:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in some cases if they lose \Ntheir truly get weekend.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.75,0:29:21.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a great at great risk that \Nthey go to court and try to get
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.98,0:29:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these treaties upheld and that's \Nanother potential setback that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.37,0:29:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately once again.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.63,0:29:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Native Americans have an awful \Nlot to lose in this battle.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.51,0:29:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Radio Eco shark with Augusta \Nlong time Green radio host
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.83,0:29:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and activist Stephanie Weisz another \Nbig do you know Darfuris is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.18,0:29:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to announce massive liquid \Nnatural gas terminals.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.52,0:29:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got a government \Nin British Columbia,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.72,0:29:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the got elected promising all the \Njobs in the money and and you
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.36,0:29:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know our budget would be totally \Nbalanced once we get these LNG
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.16,0:29:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plants,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.63,0:29:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which have not materialized.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.97,0:29:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Incidentally,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.14,0:29:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what about LNG in the Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.45,0:29:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.67,0:30:02.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's another big battle that we're \Nfacing right now we've got 2
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.62,0:30:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,major pipelines being proposed just \Nfor Oregon one in southern
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.53,0:30:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon that they want to build its over$7
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.42,0:30:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,billion pipeline that they want to \Nbuild through the southern part
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.39,0:30:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Oregon and then have the export \Nterminal export LNG from coups
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.73,0:30:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they Oregon and another one in northern \NOregon and Washington,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.92,0:30:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon and both of these \Nprojects would involved.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.47,0:30:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.28,0:30:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,massive equation land that a \Nlot of it in private hands.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.25,0:30:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in many cases they are claiming,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.31,0:30:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eminent domain.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.91,0:30:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know as an argument in favor \Nof her example 10 about$25,000
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.61,0:30:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,per acre,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.82,0:30:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is way below the market value \Ndue to land borders and the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.59,0:30:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,irony in this is that many of these \NLNG companies are actually
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.47,0:30:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,foreign owned and they're \Nclaiming eminent domain,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.57,0:31:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is you know of course \Nit's for export.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.06,0:31:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of people that I was lifting \Nthese LNG terminals are
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.83,0:31:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.06,0:31:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.25,0:31:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.71,0:31:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can he possibly be using a law \Nthat was created to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.79,0:31:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure for people in the United \NStates taking on land away
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.51,0:31:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from us in order to facilitate the \Nprofits of foreign corporations
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.28,0:31:25.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are just bypassing all of our \Nour legal structures in order
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.11,0:31:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to to build this pipeline and exported \Nit to other countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.30,0:31:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's a lot of resistance.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.65,0:31:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.35,0:31:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not with so much money on achieve \Nall a lot of politicians are
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.16,0:31:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lining up to support this,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.97,0:31:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and certainly our local paper \NThe Oregonian seems to be
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.10,0:31:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely in the pocket of the fossil \Nfuel industry which written
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.44,0:31:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,editorials saying that climate \Nchange is not a concern for
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.31,0:31:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregonian Gennaro regularly trumpeting \Nall the benefits of these
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.72,0:31:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil fuel exports.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:55.98,0:31:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're in a bit of a,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.78,0:31:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.19,0:32:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a bit of a of a war \Nhere in the northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.59,0:32:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of both keeping people \Ninformed about what's really
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.78,0:32:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening and and taking you know \Nholding our elected officials
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.98,0:32:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accountable.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.33,0:32:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does the state of Oregon allow fracas.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.43,0:32:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now it has not banned tracking \Nthis actually did come up this
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.27,0:32:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year and that there wasn't a bill \Nthat originally was going to ban
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.50,0:32:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for acting and then it sort of morphed \Ninto regulating tracking
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.86,0:32:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that created a huge uproar where \Npeople said no we don't want
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.55,0:32:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to regulate it.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.12,0:32:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want ban it out outcry currently \Nthere as far as I know there's
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.63,0:32:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very little in the way of any sort \Nof gas exploitable gas reserves
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.24,0:32:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anywhere in Oregon but I think he \Nwould have an awfully hard time
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.86,0:32:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for hacking in Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.82,0:32:47.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well that's good to hear now Daphne,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.18,0:32:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know you continue to keep track \Nof US national policy as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.27,0:32:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you make of President Obama \Ntaking you know he talks
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.61,0:32:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strongly about climate change and \Nany approves exploration for
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.18,0:33:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more fossil fuels in the fragile \NArctic by Shell Oil.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.21,0:33:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know you're getting as good as mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.09,0:33:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex I'm I'm just mystified at \Nyou know how he can not take
Dialogue: 0,0:33:09.56,0:33:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially of late.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.69,0:33:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In his last 2 years in office,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.40,0:33:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I think it's so much more freely \Ndisputed boldly about the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.40,0:33:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate crisis and seems to \Nbe taking an awful lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.37,0:33:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunities to speak out on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.37,0:33:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why he would on the one hand take these,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.70,0:33:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.05,0:33:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take these actions do for example \Nrestrict coal-fired power plant
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.77,0:33:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emissions and and increase \Nenergy efficient,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.12,0:33:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fuel-efficient automobiles and then \Nat the same time allow for
Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.96,0:33:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arctic drilling and massive oil \Nand gas chemical exports.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.17,0:33:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose it may have something \Nto do with the fact that he was
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.21,0:33:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number one recipient of BP's \Nfunds when he was running for
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.32,0:33:51.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,office.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.55,0:33:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if he's still feeling \Nbeholden to his donors.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.20,0:34:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really hard to understand why \Nhe why he is acting only hears
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.32,0:34:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. And again on the international front.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.13,0:34:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was disappointed.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.08,0:34:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The leaders of industrial countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.75,0:34:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the G7 could only promise an end to \Ncarbon emissions by the end of
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.48,0:34:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this century 85 years away.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.40,0:34:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's way too late to avoid \Ncatastrophic climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.41,0:34:15.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.87,0:34:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's right,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.46,0:34:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we had a proposal that whereas \Nthe Germans and the G7 were
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.82,0:34:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to you get indeed curb innovation \Nof all other G7 economies
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.48,0:34:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by 20-50 and the Canadians and \Nthe Japanese pushed back on
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.97,0:34:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,urgently and said no,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.59,0:34:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we were sign on to do carbon \Nthe station by 2100 of course is
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.72,0:34:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a non-binding agreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.10,0:34:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So even if it were 2050 it would be,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.26,0:34:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't be all that that exciting \Nbut 2100 it is still far out
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.01,0:34:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know past it the lifetime of \Nany of these folks at the table
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.02,0:34:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm sure they felt very comfortable \Nmaking this agreement and
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.47,0:34:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kicking the can down the road.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.15,0:35:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Japanese apparently are very \Nheavily invested you know coal
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.60,0:35:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fire power you know he's learned \Nthat explains their reluctance,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.56,0:35:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you see any decrease in their \Ninvestments in coal and I I I
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.92,0:35:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suppose the Canadians do the tourist \Ntown are reluctant to see
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.38,0:35:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decolonization any trying to do but \Nyou seem to suggest in in our
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.98,0:35:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last conversation tar sands profits \Nare plummeting as their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.90,0:35:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.69,0:35:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just too expensive to \Nproduce the tar sands.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.76,0:35:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need at least$60
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.32,0:35:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to$70
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.46,0:35:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a barrel to do it and they're only \Ngetting about 40 to 45 they
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.41,0:35:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't get world prices because the \Ntires and requires so much work
Dialogue: 0,0:35:44.01,0:35:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the refinery to get a usable \Nproduct that they get a lower
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.93,0:35:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,price.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.25,0:35:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they're losing some money and it,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.94,0:35:54.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's happening is this massive layoffs \Nin Alberta and I mean big
Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.10,0:35:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big big layoffs and the financing \Nfor these companies is getting
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.10,0:36:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hard to get and their stocks,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.13,0:36:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to one of our \Nguests went down 70%,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:04.83,0:36:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's a big drop in their \Nstock value as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.06,0:36:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.39,0:36:09.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.55,0:36:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that may be.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.59,0:36:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me explain why they're trying to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.95,0:36:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also some of the same companies \Ncap into the acts Gaston and
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.62,0:36:24.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,propane byproduct of that in the past \Nhave been treated as a waste
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.04,0:36:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gas,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.42,0:36:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's another revenue stream for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.38,0:36:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You now do you expect much concrete \Nto come out of the pair's
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.43,0:36:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate talks later this year.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.12,0:36:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well I'm I'm always hopeful.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.49,0:36:37.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.65,0:36:41.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I I had that they haven't been \NI I went to the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.18,0:36:46.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,negotiations in Kyoto and I went \Nto several others after that and
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.37,0:36:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't been to the last few years,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.42,0:36:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was just feeling very discouraged \Nabout all of the
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.20,0:36:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brinksmanship and which which is what \Nyou always see it with these
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.48,0:37:00.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conferences nobody shows their hand \Nuntil long after midnight on
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.67,0:37:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the final made and finally everybody's \Nscrambling on very little
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.34,0:37:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sleep to come up with an agreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:06.71,0:37:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just seemed like you know I dream \Nof of chess with the planets
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.89,0:37:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. The fate of the planet at \Nstake over and over again.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.94,0:37:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got I kind of very tiresome.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.38,0:37:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This time,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.80,0:37:21.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know we do how China coming \Nto the table with an agreement
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.91,0:37:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the United States that does seem \Nto have potentially at least
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.87,0:37:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broken a logjam between the developing \Ncountries and that the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.47,0:37:35.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wealthy countries that we saw over \Nand over again played out its
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.95,0:37:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate negotiations.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.93,0:37:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it seems that the dynamics \Ncould be different enough to
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.00,0:37:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially a shift things moving forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.37,0:37:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But whether we'll see the kind of \Ntruly dramatic commitments that
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.95,0:37:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are needed to stabilize the \Nclimate earning trying to,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.53,0:37:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.89,0:37:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not that hopeful but I I I do \Nthink to think well at least
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.28,0:37:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,begin to shift at this next Senate.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.90,0:37:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fox.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.75,0:38:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.13,0:38:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now America has elections \Ncoming up eventually,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.05,0:38:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you expect the same rogues \Ngallery of Republican climate
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.13,0:38:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deniers to be elected again in Congress.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.94,0:38:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the Republicans have a very \Nslim chances of gaining the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.02,0:38:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presidency.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.65,0:38:20.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that they have a higher likelihood \Nof retaining control of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.73,0:38:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the south and in the house when \Nyou have somebody like Hillary
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.84,0:38:24.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clinton running for office.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.97,0:38:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you know just given her \Nstature nationally and and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.63,0:38:31.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,globally.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.38,0:38:34.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She probably stand a greater \Nchance than any of the other
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.14,0:38:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,candidates they're running but a \Nlot can happen between now and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:38.04,0:38:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20-16 that's my prediction \Nat this point in time,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.60,0:38:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oil processing Bernie Sanders surprisingly \Ngaining on Hillary
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.35,0:38:46.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clinton.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.97,0:38:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is an independent and a \Nself-proclaimed socialist.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.99,0:38:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's a huge surprise \Nfor the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.27,0:38:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what it suggests,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.50,0:38:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that people have had enough of \Neither candidate really avoiding
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.17,0:39:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the issue of income inequality and \NBernie standard but there is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.16,0:39:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking on the corporations in the \Nbanks like no other candidate is
Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.55,0:39:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.70,0:39:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I remember after the financial \Ncrash that Bernie Sanders
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.94,0:39:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually came out and described \Nwho runs America and it was
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.60,0:39:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revealing he talked for hours and \Nhours and hours on the record.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.66,0:39:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was great stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.64,0:39:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.15,0:39:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see that scientists say.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.02,0:39:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Climate change will look very different \Nfrom region to region,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.77,0:39:27.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we saw that again this year \Nin North America with a hot
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.04,0:39:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exceptionally dry western a cool \Nsnow rainy east is it a big
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.49,0:39:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem that citizens experience climate \Nchange so locally and yet
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.91,0:39:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problem demands a global solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.29,0:39:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.88,0:39:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean in terms of the \Ndeserving Northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.33,0:39:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the things that we are preparing \Nfor a which is a little
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.48,0:39:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit alarming is there.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.61,0:39:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Niger influx of climate refugees \Nto the northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.70,0:39:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,city officials tell us that they're \Nexpecting you know the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.52,0:39:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,population in Portland for example \Nto increased by several hundred
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.36,0:40:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousand in the coming decades.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.23,0:40:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think you know Californian \Ndried up and continues to drag.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.71,0:40:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We probably will see quite a \Nfew people moving north from
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.42,0:40:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,California wetter climates.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.04,0:40:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it problematic how climate change \Nout with regard to I I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.15,0:40:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fully understand what what what what \Nyou mean by that question can
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.90,0:40:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be retrained.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.19,0:40:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.92,0:40:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just that you know the old \Nstory about the elephant people
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.88,0:40:26.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come up.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.29,0:40:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The elephant in one pulls the tail \Non says that's what an elf.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.10,0:40:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looks like the other one grabs \Na new year and says that's what
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.92,0:40:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the often looks like climate \Nchange is kind of like that,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.62,0:40:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know you have people who see \Nand experiencing so differently
Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.69,0:40:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right around them and yet they're \Nsupposed to all unite somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.67,0:40:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and demand an overall great big solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.47,0:40:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.77,0:40:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I think that polls suggest \Nthat a majority of Americans do
Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.29,0:40:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that the climate crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.55,0:40:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The areas it's happening and they \Nwant to see action taken on it,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.57,0:40:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless of how it manifests \Nin their region.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.77,0:41:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think people are increasingly \Nalarmed and are increasingly
Dialogue: 0,0:41:03.19,0:41:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanting to see elected \Nofficial take action.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.13,0:41:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately our elected officials \Nthere you know largely
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.85,0:41:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,following the money and most of \Nthe money is with the club
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.36,0:41:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brothers and the other oil companies \Nso they're listening to them
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.07,0:41:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not to that the American people \Nbut at least at the moment you
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.26,0:41:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know this is one reason why we need \Nbetter campaign finance laws
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.69,0:41:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this country.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.42,0:41:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think what we come to the conclusion \Nhere at the Center for
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.54,0:41:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sustainable economy is that working \Nat the city level working at
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.17,0:41:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the state level,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.83,0:41:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get a lot more done than \Nyou can trying to work in
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.89,0:41:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Washington DC things are very \Nbroken and Washington,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.54,0:41:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can actually affect \Npolicy at the state level,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.21,0:41:44.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and eventually hopefully \NMPs that into some sort.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:44.44,0:41:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,National strategy.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.82,0:41:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.10,0:41:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a great point,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.11,0:41:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you getting re-energized by \Nregional activism on the west
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.47,0:41:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coast versus the politics of living \Nand working in Washington DC.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.77,0:41:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh yes,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.77,0:41:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.02,0:42:01.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know and a hit lots and lots \Nof exclamation points after that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.53,0:42:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statement I I'm so inspired by and \Nmany of the young people that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.38,0:42:10.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,retirees so level of engagement here \Nin the northwest around the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.37,0:42:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issue of climate change is so \Nbroad and persons here and so
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.93,0:42:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energized.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:16.05,0:42:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really inspiring to see a lot \Nof people hurt you know just
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.97,0:42:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put their careers completely on \Nhold and are doing nothing but
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.82,0:42:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on this climate crisis,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.60,0:42:28.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.23,0:42:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's leading local 350 chapter \Nhere in Portland.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.79,0:42:35.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the former Andy who \Njust decided this was,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.57,0:42:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is where she needed to \Nspend her time and energy.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.89,0:42:41.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know a lot of people that have \Ndealt with either early
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.78,0:42:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,retirement or living very frugally \Nso that they can devote a
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.67,0:42:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant amount of time to working \Non the the fighting at the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.50,0:42:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil fuel industry here in Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.65,0:42:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.64,0:42:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's both inspiring encourages me \Nto work even harder whereas back
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.96,0:42:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Washington,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.51,0:42:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DC.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.15,0:43:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just feel that no matter how much \Nyou through your head against
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.14,0:43:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that wall you just keeps Nash.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.86,0:43:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know how to go through expense \Nand it wasn't going to budge.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.91,0:43:12.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But things do actually \Nget done it Thursday.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.25,0:43:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder if there's a story or experience \Nbeyond that you think
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.89,0:43:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could help raise our listeners \Nto an even greater move into
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.35,0:43:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate activism.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:22.68,0:43:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.03,0:43:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I think the climate crisis \Nyou you know you've covered it
Dialogue: 0,0:43:27.50,0:43:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so well,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.11,0:43:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially in your recent shows \Nwith climate psychologists and
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.85,0:43:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,others talking about the ways in \Nwhich we turn away from just how
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.46,0:43:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serious it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.96,0:43:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it cannot have that result,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.91,0:43:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it can also when you are working \Nin coalition with others I
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.52,0:43:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I found is that the people \Nthat end up coming out to join
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.38,0:43:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this coalitions are some of the \Nbest members of our society and
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.83,0:43:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean you know just smart committed,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.15,0:43:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,funny,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.90,0:43:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creative,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.10,0:44:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these are the kinds of people \Nthat I would want to have.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.69,0:44:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By my side fighting any kind of battle.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.11,0:44:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I encourage people that are in \Nany way feeling defeated by this
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.66,0:44:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crisis turn that sort of intention \Nto mourn into an into an
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.76,0:44:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organizing intention and to really \Nstick out like-minded folks
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.23,0:44:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they will energize you and \Nkeep you going in the darkest
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.06,0:44:26.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hours and a lot of us are \Nfeeling the grief around.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.70,0:44:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I felt it for quite some time,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.70,0:44:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there is,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.93,0:44:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are signs that people are really \Nbeginning to get it and I
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.70,0:44:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really getting mobilized for example \Nand working with the National
Dialogue: 0,0:44:39.43,0:44:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unitarian General Assembly that's \Ngathering in Portland and 6,000
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.04,0:44:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,members of the Unitarian coming \Nfrom all over the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:44:46.41,0:44:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they'll be focused exclusively \Non those climate change and
Dialogue: 0,0:44:49.97,0:44:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also how best to work in solidarity \Nwith native Americans in
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.85,0:44:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facing down this crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.63,0:44:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very exciting.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.06,0:45:01.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It feels like we are going to go \Nback to our home communities and
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.69,0:45:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really commit to respond.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.66,0:45:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact there is a website commit \Nto respond and people were going
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.81,0:45:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be asked to do something along \Nthe same lines of what your last
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.49,0:45:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guest asked us to do which is to \Nmobilize towards a World War 2
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.83,0:45:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,type mobilization to save you know \NI think a lot of us recognize
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.72,0:45:22.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that's what's required to swim \Ntime and we need all of us to be
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.87,0:45:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calling for the same thing both for \Nour economy and for our planet
Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.61,0:45:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if were gonna stop this monster in time.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.58,0:45:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.85,0:45:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our guest Washington hosted the environmental \Nprogram for 8 years
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.41,0:45:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Pacifica Radio network now \Nshe's bounced between regional
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.50,0:45:42.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activism on the West Coast continuing \Nwatch over national and
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.58,0:45:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,international climate developments.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:44.74,0:45:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is the director of climate \Nand the energy program at the
Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.08,0:45:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Center for sustainable economy definitely \Nwhere the best places to
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.37,0:45:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,follow your ongoing work.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.82,0:45:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sustainable dash economy of our \Nwebsite and we are getting on
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.93,0:46:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate and energy program up and running.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.68,0:46:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were very excited about a new \Ninitiative that you can see an
Dialogue: 0,0:46:05.58,0:46:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,update on shortly called climate response.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.87,0:46:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a preliminary paper up there \Nand we'll be posting a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.62,0:46:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our activity on Algerian and other \Noil and gas and coal exports in
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Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.76,0:46:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were poured engaging with anyone \Nwho wants to preserve what
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Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.40,0:46:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much for joining us again,
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Dialogue: 0,0:47:27.27,0:47:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important talk from climate week \Nat Harvard University Center for
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.27,0:47:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.35,0:47:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the speakers.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.03,0:47:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. James Anderson and the title \Nis coupled feedback in the
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.24,0:47:42.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate structure that set the timescale \Nfor irreversible change
Dialogue: 0,0:47:42.84,0:47:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arctic isotopes to stratospheric radicals.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.23,0:47:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's quite a bit and believe me \Nhe covers a lot this talk on
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.86,0:47:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,April 8th 20-15 was part of a series \Nof presentations I found this
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.40,0:47:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on video.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.38,0:47:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks to a tip from a radio equal \Nshock listener and I'm so glad
Dialogue: 0,0:47:59.08,0:48:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.28,0:48:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The talk as Anderson tells us,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.04,0:48:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a fairly high level.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.54,0:48:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A presentation of ongoing research \Ninto some important
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.51,0:48:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developments in the climate Anderson \Ncovers a wide range of
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.18,0:48:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,science.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.04,0:48:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can only get to a few points here,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:13.61,0:48:14.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:14.27,0:48:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research into past ages showed the \Nstratosphere that upper level
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.35,0:48:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Earth's atmosphere above the weather \Nwas far wetter than today
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.36,0:48:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, in past greenhouse ages.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:24.68,0:48:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The wording of the stratosphere should \Nbe happening now but until
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.59,0:48:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very recently nobody knew \Nhow that could happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:31.35,0:48:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we do Anderson also points out \Na key difference between past
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.72,0:48:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hothouse world and today this time around.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.61,0:48:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Humans have also injected chlorinated \Nsubstances like ozone
Dialogue: 0,0:48:43.07,0:48:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destroying CFCs there were never \Nthere in the past ages and how
Dialogue: 0,0:48:47.16,0:48:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does that affect climate change as \Nwe'll hear from those opening
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.46,0:48:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quote scientists are gaining new \Nknowledge on changes we've made
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.50,0:48:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that cannot be reversed,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.79,0:49:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least not in any timescale that \Nmatters to humans here is Dr.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:00.91,0:49:02.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anderson speaking at Harvard.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.18,0:49:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is really research talk about \N2 aspects of the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:49:08.45,0:49:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.86,0:49:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both of which are coupled through \Nirreversible connective cycles
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.22,0:49:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I'm gonna talk about experiments \Ndone 5 meters above the
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.10,0:49:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surface and then experiments done \N20 kilometers above the surface
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.83,0:49:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll see why those are linked,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.32,0:49:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just in case I basketball \Nover these things I want to
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.67,0:49:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emphasize some points.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:33.90,0:49:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first one is that this global \Nclimate structure is changing
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.45,0:49:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,far more rapidly than than we believe \Nwas possible even even 5
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.28,0:49:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years ago and I'm gonna show some \Ndominant examples of that the
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.72,0:49:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next issue is the feedback in the \Nclimate structure because it
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.82,0:49:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeks feedback sits set the timescale \Nfor a reverse ability and
Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.84,0:49:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna take a very brief tour \Nthrough the climate system to
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.98,0:50:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demonstrate how that functions now:
Dialogue: 0,0:50:02.04,0:50:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a look at the way in which developing \Ntechnology provides direct
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.73,0:50:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measurements for example of methane \Nand carbon di-oxide ITA topic
Dialogue: 0,0:50:10.12,0:50:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fox measurement.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.91,0:50:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next we'll hear about how the fragile \NArctic determined so much of
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.91,0:50:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our weather.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.47,0:50:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I'm going to look at why these \NCryer systems which are so
Dialogue: 0,0:50:22.72,0:50:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delicate because heat of fusion \Nfor waters so small that the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.88,0:50:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delicacy of of these Cryer systems \Nin a cruel irony link into the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:34.27,0:50:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,larger global climate structure \Nand they exhibit inordinate
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.77,0:50:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control over these global climate \Nsystems I'm I'm gonna touch very
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.76,0:50:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,briefly on this pale your record \Nand as Brian talked about on on
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.13,0:50:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tuesday that the climate structure \Ndepends in in large measure on
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.25,0:50:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the temperature gradient between \Nthe tropics in the polar regions
Dialogue: 0,0:50:58.62,0:51:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and during the EEOC,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.40,0:51:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a very little temperature \Ndifference between the tropics
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.20,0:51:09.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and and and the polar regions and \Nin that particular structure of
Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.47,0:51:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the stratosphere had to be wet.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.63,0:51:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's very little
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.97,0:51:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:14.38,0:51:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:14.84,0:51:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brian,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:15.16,0:51:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think there's any possibility \Nof having that claim a
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.83,0:51:20.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure without a Maurice stratosphere.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.71,0:51:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as we'll see moisture entering \Nthe stratosphere today has a
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.30,0:51:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very different connotation because \Nit triggers catalytic cycles
Dialogue: 0,0:51:27.24,0:51:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving chlorine in Bromley in \Nthat were not present during the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.03,0:51:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EEOC so also talk about you active \Nof injection north of the
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Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.45,0:51:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which as we saw from from Bryant brands \Ntalk is of a potential way
Dialogue: 0,0:51:41.22,0:51:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of transitioning from the current \Nstructure of the climate to one
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.08,0:51:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which there is a far smaller difference \Nbetween in temperature
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.51,0:51:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the equator in the polar regions,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:51.63,0:51:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so is convicted injection of water,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:55.18,0:52:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it turned out to be unique over \Nthe US and it's coupled also to
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.86,0:52:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any cyclonic flow over the US that \Nthat's created by the North
Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.81,0:52:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,American monsoon.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:06.05,0:52:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we have this convicted injection \Ninto this anti cyclonic
Dialogue: 0,0:52:10.46,0:52:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,motion,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.80,0:52:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a hoot demonic combination \Ncreated by the dynamics.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:17.19,0:52:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it has very strong good coupling \Ninto the catalytic chemical
Dialogue: 0,0:52:22.22,0:52:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure of the stratosphere.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:24.26,0:52:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Note how Anderson stressed the point \Nmade again and again by our
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.58,0:52:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guest scientist Paul Beckwith when \Nexplaining the new disruption
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.19,0:52:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of weather in the northern hemisphere \Nand that's the temperature
Dialogue: 0,0:52:34.60,0:52:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difference between the tropics in \Nthe polls as polar regions warm
Dialogue: 0,0:52:38.40,0:52:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up the difference is declining and \Nthe result is a slower and wave
Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.59,0:52:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your jet stream and some really strange \Nweather for all of us in
Dialogue: 0,0:52:45.41,0:52:48.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the northern world as a side note,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:48.19,0:52:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anderson explains why both the \Nleft and the right may support
Dialogue: 0,0:52:51.56,0:52:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further research into controversial \Ngeo engineering first he
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.89,0:52:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,refers to the National Research \NCouncil report on climate
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.86,0:53:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engineering particularly solar \Nradiation management.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.55,0:53:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The National Research Council \Njust released a new report on
Dialogue: 0,0:53:06.73,0:53:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate engineering particularly \Nsolar radiation management that
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.25,0:53:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is being pushed actually in a bipartisan \Nway because the right
Dialogue: 0,0:53:16.04,0:53:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would like to have solar radiation \Nmanagement so more fossil fuels
Dialogue: 0,0:53:21.40,0:53:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be burned and the left believes \Nthat intruding in natural
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.35,0:53:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systems like this is a very dangerous \Nso research on the topic is
Dialogue: 0,0:53:31.10,0:53:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gaining bilateral support,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:34.30,0:53:36.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is highly unusual these days.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.80,0:53:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next we hear why James Anderson,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:38.80,0:53:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinks global warming is so horribly \Nwrong as a term to describe
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.54,0:53:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the current climate shift.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:45.55,0:53:45.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:45.83,0:53:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so let me start with with a bias \Nthis this term global warming
Dialogue: 0,0:53:50.69,0:53:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applied to this problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:53.04,0:53:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes me shudder because 70% \Nof the globe is covered by the
Dialogue: 0,0:53:57.20,0:53:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ocean,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:57.59,0:53:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an average depth of 3500 meters,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.78,0:54:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it has massive heat capacity,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:02.46,0:54:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so my mind most degenerate variable \Nyou can discusses mean global
Dialogue: 0,0:54:06.68,0:54:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,temperature and it also carries a \Nconnotation of something that's
Dialogue: 0,0:54:10.54,0:54:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening slow leak you know one \Ndegree centigrade per century
Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.11,0:54:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't carry a huge amount of political \Nimperative behind it.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:19.54,0:54:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It also carries the connotation \Nthat you can watch think slowly
Dialogue: 0,0:54:22.53,0:54:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change and if you don't like,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.72,0:54:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you can just slow down the release \Nof carbon dioxide and return
Dialogue: 0,0:54:28.63,0:54:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the condition and nothing could \Nbe further from the truth is,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:32.27,0:54:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we'll see.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:32.80,0:54:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I always avoid the term and \NI cringe every time I hear it.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:38.14,0:54:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll never have time to get to all \Nthe great science in the stock
Dialogue: 0,0:54:40.98,0:54:42.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. But I do want you to hear this.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:43.27,0:54:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next point involves these methane \Nclatter it's either of these
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.54,0:54:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beautiful structures ice cages within \Nwhich nature inserts methane
Dialogue: 0,0:54:52.49,0:54:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produced anaerobic by decomposition \Nof organic material and in its
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.32,0:55:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's chirpy that's driving this \Nentirely because it nature of
Dialogue: 0,0:55:02.49,0:55:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course abhors a vacuum and with stuff \Nmolecules and every possible
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.52,0:55:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nook and cranny in order to \Nengage the inclusion of
Dialogue: 0,0:55:13.68,0:55:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy states and it turns out that \Nmethane 5th beautifully into
Dialogue: 0,0:55:17.68,0:55:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these water cages and this is ubiquitous \NKlatten nothing rates
Dialogue: 0,0:55:23.56,0:55:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contain about 3 times the chemical \Nenergy of all known fossil fuel
Dialogue: 0,0:55:28.32,0:55:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reserves include coal,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.24,0:55:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,petroleum natural gas and they \Nreside not only in the surface
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.96,0:55:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soils of Siberia northern Alaska but also
Dialogue: 0,0:55:38.62,0:55:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're ubiquitous across the ocean \Nbasins this was pulled up off
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.24,0:55:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the west coast of about 100m than \Nit is touch of magic to it and
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.96,0:55:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it it ignites but the numbers as Steve,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:51.78,0:55:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the point pointed out,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.42,0:55:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are actually quite concerning.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:55.29,0:56:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here we plot the CO2 emissions \Nfrom fossil-fuel burning in gig
Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.66,0:56:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tons of carbon per year yet to convert \Nback from CO2 but canonical
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.95,0:56:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,representation is and in carbon \Nper vehicle because of that's
Dialogue: 0,0:56:10.39,0:56:16.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,typically how calibrated so 1990 have \Nabout 6 again get tons of of
Dialogue: 0,0:56:16.45,0:56:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,carbon was added to the atmosphere \Nby fossil-fuel burning,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:20.08,0:56:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was basically a textbook \Nnumber for for many many years,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.77,0:56:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in 2000,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.08,0:56:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it started to take off and when \Nthe 2007 IPCC report came out.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.01,0:56:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These were the release than area.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:34.74,0:56:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was the worst possible \Ncases up a red wine,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.24,0:56:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.70,0:56:42.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've exceeded that of every year.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.15,0:56:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The subsequent to to 2007 but the \Nkey point is that just half a
Dialogue: 0,0:56:46.65,0:56:50.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percent of the labor while carbon \Nin the Earth's surface soils,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.31,0:56:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the North Slope of of Alaska \Nand Siberia just half a percent
Dialogue: 0,0:56:55.61,0:56:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,release rate per year gives \Nus around 89 tons per year,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.44,0:57:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which doubles the carbon added \Nto the atmosphere by all
Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.24,0:57:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil-fuel burning worldwide.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:05.56,0:57:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this constitutes for the \Nnext exhibit for feedback.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.70,0:57:13.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anderson gives the example of a \Nclass 3 pulled up off the west
Dialogue: 0,0:57:13.79,0:57:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coast from a depth of about 100 meters,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.41,0:57:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be ignited with old match.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.19,0:57:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.47,0:57:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't get to the strange way \Nchlorinated substances playback
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.83,0:57:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on other climate feedback in the \Natmosphere plus and this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.54,0:57:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spoiler alert.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:27.63,0:57:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scientists have discovered a way \Nthe stratosphere can become
Dialogue: 0,0:57:31.11,0:57:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wetter as it did in past greenhouse \Nworlds many many hours flying
Dialogue: 0,0:57:35.65,0:57:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the world found the stratosphere \Nhas the same low amount of
Dialogue: 0,0:57:38.96,0:57:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water vapor.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.44,0:57:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in a kink in the system.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:42.29,0:57:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A collision of weather factors over \Nthe continental United States
Dialogue: 0,0:57:46.24,0:57:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creates an almost unique kind of heat \Nfunnel that does inject more
Dialogue: 0,0:57:50.43,0:57:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water into the stratosphere.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:52.46,0:57:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are several other sites like \Nthat Anderson says they have
Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.41,0:58:00.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mechanism that will wet down \Nthe stratosphere over time,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:00.37,0:58:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I say there's a huge range of \Ncutting science in the stock by
Dialogue: 0,0:58:03.80,0:58:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James Anderson.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.95,0:58:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of it is a little difficult \Nfor the lay person to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:58:08.40,0:58:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, but most of it is very clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:10.65,0:58:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We learn of feedback switch make \Nthis developing climate shift
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.18,0:58:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a major geological event \Nthat cannot be reversed.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:18.06,0:58:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have already gone over the climate \Ncliff he tells us how far we
Dialogue: 0,0:58:21.93,0:58:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fall depends on whether we can rein \Nin our fossil-fuel burning
Dialogue: 0,0:58:25.70,0:58:29.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emissions before they trigger much \Nmuch larger carbon or methane
Dialogue: 0,0:58:29.97,0:58:34.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inputs from the previously frozen \Nland and sea bed in the Arctic
Dialogue: 0,0:58:35.60,0:58:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find an easy link to this video presentation \Nat Harvard University
Dialogue: 0,0:58:39.06,0:58:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,April 8 2015 in my shell \Nblog eco shock.info.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:43.67,0:58:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll also add my lengthy \Nnotes to the blog,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.24,0:58:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which includes a few links and explanations \Nwe've blown through
Dialogue: 0,0:58:50.84,0:58:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time barrier again get all past \Nprograms as free MP3s from our
Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.27,0:58:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,website at shock.org listen any \Ntime on the radio shock page on
Dialogue: 0,0:58:59.86,0:59:01.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sound cloud I'm Alex,