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Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.00,0:07:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think this is.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.00,0:13:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe the ego shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.00,0:01:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.00,0:06:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome to Radio Eco shock this week,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.00,0:00:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going to investigate attempts \Nby the fossil fuel industry to
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.00,0:02:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capture otherwise green thinking ports \Nin the Pacific Northwest of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.00,0:07:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the United States and Canada \Nto export carbon to Asia.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.00,0:06:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a battle you hardly hear about \Ncitizens are lining up against
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.00,0:11:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge corporations with huge money \Nto fight off giant coal ports
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.00,0:12:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liquefied natural gas ports even \Npropane ports if we commit to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.00,0:14:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that infrastructure we commit to \Ndevastating climate change,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.00,0:16:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to mention the explosive toxic \Nand polluting impacts of these
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.00,0:10:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big projects on the Pacific coast.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.00,0:16:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's species and its people will \Nfirst hear from activist Kevin
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.00,0:03:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Walsh book reporting from Vancouver,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.00,0:14:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canada and then from green radio host \Nand activist Daphne why from
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.00,0:08:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.00,0:10:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.00,0:04:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll wrap up with some new science \Npresented at a Harvard
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.00,0:12:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,University research talk Dr. James \NAnderson presents why climate
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.00,0:14:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change is coming,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.00,0:01:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much faster than anyone thought \Npossible and why it cannot be
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.00,0:12:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reversed its eco shocking radio \NI'm Alex Smith let's roll.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.00,0:05:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Multinational corporations would like \Nto turn the gorgeous port of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.00,0:14:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vancouver,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.00,0:05:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canada into another fossil fuel colony \Nafter call port proposals
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.00,0:14:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were blocked by a public outcry in \Nthe American Pacific Northwest
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.00,0:06:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they wanted to call out to Asia \Nthrough Vancouver there's an
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.00,0:18:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,active proposal to steer dirty \Ntar sands oil into hundreds of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.00,0:13:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tankers through Vancouver's scenic \Ninlets even liquid natural gas
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.00,0:14:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is trying to use Vancouver as an \Noutlet we've reached activist
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.00,0:12:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kevin wash broken Vancouver he's \Npart of the group voters taking
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.00,0:14:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,action on climate change or veto \Nback Kevin welcome to Radio Rico
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.00,0:03:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shock.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.00,0:10:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.00,0:08:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's talk about call how big \Nis the export business from
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.00,0:16:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vancouver.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.00,0:12:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.00,0:07:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now we have to fully functioning \Ncourts one in North
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.00,0:18:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vancouver internal with which exports \Nexclusively be seen course
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.00,0:07:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the coup these and then Wes short \Nand so which is the biggest
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.00,0:18:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coal in Canada and depending on \Nyou know who was exporting more
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.00,0:12:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's often the biggest of the business.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.00,0:08:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Call for North America Neptune exports \Naround you know they export
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.00,0:09:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around 6 million tons of \Ncall the year there,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.00,0:09:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're trying to expand that to larger \Nlarge volumes sure exports
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.00,0:06:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the order 30 to 33 million tons \Nof call the year and about
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.00,0:16:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 8 million tons of that call \Nis US thermal coal from the
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.00,0:13:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tiber River Basin.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.00,0:17:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While so they truck at all or would \Nthey train at all the way up
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.00,0:06:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Wyoming.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.00,0:18:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.00,0:17:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.00,0:19:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it comes on Warren Buffett's \Nbe NSF railroad up through semi
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.00,0:17:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,White Rock Crescent Beach all on \Nthe water through there and then
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.00,0:07:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up through around Monday and over \N2 cops who were shorter.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.00,0:14:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why to using American call for.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.00,0:05:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.00,0:10:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.00,0:18:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a good question their hair.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.00,0:18:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were plans there were plans \Nfor 6 coal ports on the US West
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.00,0:17:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Coast is recently you know \N3 or 4 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.00,0:09:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.00,0:08:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although 2 of those projects have \Neither been completely have been
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.00,0:18:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rejected or abandoned.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.00,0:12:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the last 2.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.00,0:15:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one in Oregon on the Columbia \NRiver faces serious difficulties
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.00,0:16:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's failed to receive keep \Nthe last permanent through the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.00,0:19:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last project and the largest at \NCherry Point in Washington.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.00,0:16:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just south of the border.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.00,0:08:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also faces serious opposition,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.00,0:05:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including from the Lonnie nation \Nwhich is that right.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.00,0:18:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We reject this year after the so \Npublic outcry public opposition
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.00,0:19:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really strong committee organizing \Nin the state has stopped
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.00,0:20:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.00,0:18:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that leaves DC.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.00,0:06:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it's sort of the backdoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.00,0:11:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the dirty doormat for US call \Non its way to Asia and so right
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.00,0:05:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now there there.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.00,0:18:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have been exporting this 7 million \Ntons a year for some time
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.00,0:10:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,70 million tons by way of comparison \Nthe the Cherry Point
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.00,0:10:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,corporate proposal a delegation would \Nbe about 48 million tons of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.00,0:14:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call here and there is this new proposal \Nto build a brand new coal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.00,0:11:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,port on the fridge river in Surrey \Nexport exclusively American
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.00,0:20:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call 4 million times now,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.00,0:20:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably more in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.00,0:07:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.00,0:04:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what problems do Coltrane \Npolls for local communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.00,0:19:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.00,0:07:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.00,0:12:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.00,0:13:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a good point you because \Nin a specially NBC and in Metro
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.00,0:06:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could because the other \Nsupport authority that has,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.00,0:11:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it's a federal agency.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.00,0:12:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.00,0:20:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's sort of,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.00,0:09:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost like a Crown corporation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.00,0:15:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also regulator it has absolute \Npower over decision making on
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.00,0:16:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Port Lands and that's by land basically \Nall along the waterline in
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.00,0:18:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Metro Vancouver so they can approve \Na coal port but they take no
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.00,0:11:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,responsibility for the external impacts \Nthat generates in the when
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.00,0:06:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're mentioning now is key Coltrane \Nso-called trains going to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.00,0:17:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.00,0:12:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know they're extremely loud and \Nthey often travel at night and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.00,0:18:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the noise levels in these things \Nare over 100 decibels when the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.00,0:14:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the way things are going \Nand that exceeds you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.00,0:19:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The World Health Organization says \Nnighttime noise levels should
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.00,0:12:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be below 30 decibels for for young \Npeople from the elderly for the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.00,0:07:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SEC others noisy also vibration and \Nyou know that there's problems
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.00,0:20:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and White Rock with the the cliff \Nfaces slumping because of the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.00,0:18:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vibration.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.00,0:16:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also a lot of concern \Nover called us,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.00,0:21:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you know we don't know how much \Ncalled us is lost in these
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.00,0:15:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trains and we don't know what the \Nhealth impacts of law term
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.00,0:20:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposure to low levels of particular \Nare from the dust.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.00,0:20:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's an issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.00,0:14:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The biggest one,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.00,0:06:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the biggest concerns a diesel exhaust.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.00,0:13:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.00,0:19:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diesel exhaust is a carcinogen and \Nif a particular discrimination
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.00,0:13:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trains run you know within a \Nclimate of a number of schools
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.00,0:13:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and daycare senior centers,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.00,0:18:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're already running now and \Nthe planet it run more them so
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.00,0:20:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people are rightly concerned \Nabout always look.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.00,0:17:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How have activist raised Vancouver's \Ndirty coal profile in the
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.00,0:12:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media there.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.00,0:10:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.00,0:20:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's been,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.00,0:07:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's been increasing process.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.00,0:10:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it well and in the fall \Nof 2012 a community member in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.00,0:20:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Surrey told me about these 2 proposals \Nfor the expansion at
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.00,0:20:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neptune and the new call for answer \Nit for his 3 dogs and when I
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.00,0:15:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at the numbers,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.00,0:19:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you added up all the proposed \Ncapacity if all of that call is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.00,0:17:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exported.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.00,0:18:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will be more global warming pollution,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.00,0:12:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you know the Northern \NGateway pipeline.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.00,0:13:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a huge,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.00,0:13:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.00,0:21:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's all piecemeal and \Nit was under the radar.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.00,0:21:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So over the past 2.5 years we've \Nmanaged to raise the profile
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.00,0:18:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immensely our organization and group \Nbased in Surrey called even
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.00,0:10:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call in dog within this year than \Nothers it it's process of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.00,0:18:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working with local governments one by one,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.00,0:12:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting them on board about the \Nissues having them caller put
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.00,0:20:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forward motions calling for you know \Nproper public assessment or
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.00,0:08:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,health risk assessments of these \Nprojects and we've actually
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.00,0:13:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presented before Metro Vancouver and \Nthe region eventually opposed
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.00,0:19:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this Surrey outright various House \Nleaders you know climate
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.00,0:13:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientists leaders have all come out \Nsaying their post in this for
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.00,0:08:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything from the BC nurses' union \Nto you then see credit union
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.00,0:09:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the fishermen's union too you \Nknow to groups of said this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.00,0:20:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.00,0:08:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.00,0:20:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've held various rallies and events \Nand we've presented at the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.00,0:17:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Port Authority AGM and it's,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.00,0:09:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really a simple issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.00,0:12:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know we're saying the Port Authority \Ncan't make decisions that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.00,0:10:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,affect our future as a region without \Nincluding Arsenal's decision
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.00,0:11:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're an extremely arrogant \Nand remote organization so that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.00,0:08:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know that the contrast is is \Nso stark that I think the media
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.00,0:21:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand this in the broader public \Ngets that you know you can't
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.00,0:13:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think this anymore it's it's \Nyou now in the 19th century
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.00,0:08:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may not you know captains \Nof industry where we're,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.00,0:13:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're a democratic society.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.00,0:15:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.00,0:19:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NASA scientist James Hansen famously \Nwas arrested protesting
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.00,0:20:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mountaintop removal for coal,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.00,0:08:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in Vancouver I was tracked \Neast Simon Fraser University
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.00,0:10:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,professor and world energy expert \Nmarked a card was arrested
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.00,0:22:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocking a coal train.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.00,0:17:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it sounds like you are getting \Nsignificant by in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.00,0:22:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.00,0:13:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a pretty compelling story because \Nit's a very stark one you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.00,0:12:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know we know that we need to radically \Nreduce the use of fossil
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.00,0:22:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fuels to avoid dangerous climate change,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.00,0:12:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's the one study after another \Nis coming out saying that you
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.00,0:16:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know we could probably burn a bit more.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.00,0:19:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The oil and bit more a gas.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.00,0:15:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we absolutely can't burn more coal.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.00,0:11:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know 80% or more remain on the ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.00,0:20:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If women avoid blowing past any \Nsort of faith thresholds for
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.00,0:12:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate change and if that's the \Ncase and I and I believe it's
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.00,0:19:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,true bits,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.00,0:20:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I mean I've read,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.00,0:22:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there is simply no valid argument \Nfor building a new Cold War
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.00,0:17:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anywhere in the world could when \Nshe it they're gonna want you
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.00,0:08:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that race.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.00,0:23:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's very black and white from \Nyou know many things are in life
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.00,0:12:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, but this is very black and white.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.00,0:19:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A new Cold War in Surrey.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.00,0:19:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a bad idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.00,0:16:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,US thermal coal exports through measuring \NHoover is a bad idea and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.00,0:11:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's something that we're standing \Nup and saying no to thing I
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.00,0:25:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't think this is right.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.00,0:10:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trying to stop fossil fuel exports \Nis like playing the game
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.00,0:09:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whack-a-mole you find one project,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.00,0:17:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then another one pops up like the \Nrecent proposal to ship out
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.00,0:22:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liquid natural gas via the historic \NFraser River tell us what's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.00,0:19:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening there.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.00,0:12:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.00,0:24:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's another at another \Ninteresting thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.00,0:20:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean you know it,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.00,0:13:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's kind of most interesting \Nabout this,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.00,0:16:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.00,0:11:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I should say most frustrating \Nis that there's no,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.00,0:15:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's no real effort by government \Nto make people aware of these
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.00,0:23:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things you know I literally stumbled \Nacross this proposal because
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.00,0:21:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was on the BBC if I'm an assessment \Nproject or office website,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.00,0:19:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a new proposal recently \Nposted 4 from this US company
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.00,0:17:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Westpac midstream to build an LNG \Nterminal on the afraid and if
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.00,0:21:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know where to look if you go there,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.00,0:12:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see that and you can make \Ncomment but if you don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.00,0:15:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I gonna find out and the \Ngovernment doesn't go along the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.00,0:26:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fraser and you know put up things \Non billboards or or on telephone
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.00,0:18:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,poles and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.00,0:24:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you concerned about this.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.00,0:19:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The federal government has given \Nus from you know this so that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.00,0:18:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this when they realize the certain \Nsize they have to let the BBC
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.00,0:21:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in federal government's now and the \Ngovernment have to decide to
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.00,0:15:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do an assessment or not so auto.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.00,0:12:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it's wisdom on May said \Nokay will accept comments from
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.00,0:20:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public until June 11 to help us \Ndecide if we should even do an
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.00,0:24:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assessment or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.00,0:10:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and furthermore if we should substitute \Nthe provincial assessment
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.00,0:17:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the federal one.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.00,0:19:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you didn't go to the sea.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.00,0:23:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they see a website.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.00,0:14:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Canadian run of 72 website and \Nsee that notice you would never
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.00,0:21:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even known that there is a comment period.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.00,0:13:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very frustrating because you \Nknow he's a big things and we
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.00,0:11:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all need to have a say so ways \Nto back up to the proposal.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.00,0:18:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a plan for a brand new LNG \Nterminal on the Fraser River in
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.00,0:16:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Delta BC next in the cement plants \NFederer across the river and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.00,0:23:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just up just upstream from if you \Nknow Richmond this sort of all
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.00,0:23:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water mania and a big movie complex \Nand all that sort of stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.00,0:21:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would see 120 LNG tankers a year \Nand 90 L&G barges here and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.00,0:19:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going up and down the Fraser \NRiver now in comparison.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.00,0:24:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people are somewhat more aware \Nof this proposal for wood
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.00,0:13:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fiber LNG in squalor should have \Na lot of press this proposal
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.00,0:14:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fraser will be 1.5 times as \Nlarge also in comparison.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.00,0:18:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The big Petronas Pacific Energy LNG \Nproject in Prince Rupert would
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.00,0:22:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be about 7 times larger,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.00,0:22:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is a fairly small project,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.00,0:20:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was they'll see a lot of \NLNG tankers on the river the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.00,0:21:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proponent in this to me is typical bear.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.00,0:18:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know the project summary description \Nand says we want a bogus
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.00,0:14:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facility.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.00,0:21:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.00,0:26:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the footprint,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.00,0:23:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're gonna look at an endangered \Nplants and archeological sites
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.00,0:23:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what not right here.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.00,0:20:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But once we sell that L&G and it \Ngoes an LNG tanker it's someone
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.00,0:22:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,else's responsibility when I can \Nassess those risks a crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.00,0:16:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know that's absolutely crazy \Nand in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.00,0:12:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to build an LNG terminal,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.00,0:24:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Department of Homeland Security \Nand the Coast Guard require
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.00,0:21:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do connect a waterway suitability \Nassessment on the entire
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.00,0:14:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tanker root out international \Nwaters to a distance of 3.5
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.00,0:26:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kilometers on each side because that's \Nhow far you know I I think
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.00,0:13:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it cloud of be approaching travel \Nand still be explosive DC
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.00,0:12:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't happen,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.00,0:25:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is no one asking \Nthe fundamental questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.00,0:20:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The final question,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.00,0:24:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it a good idea to go and \NLNG terminal in the face.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.00,0:11:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.00,0:13:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They just simply must look and see \Nif this will endanger plants or
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.00,0:12:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,salmon or sturgeon at the \Nsite of the facility.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.00,0:14:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very narrow blinkered approach \Nto assessing these kinds of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.00,0:20:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.00,0:25:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wait a minute you saying that a cloud \Ncan come off of one of those
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.00,0:16:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tankers if they were to leak.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.00,0:23:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.00,0:19:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3.5 kilometers possibly on either \Nside of the river into an area
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.00,0:24:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where millions of people live.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.00,0:25:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.00,0:26:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that's no okay so many \Nbackup and and quite hot.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.00,0:13:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in the United States there \Nthere is a thing called Sandy
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.00,0:17:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,National Laboratory essay and DIA \Nand they conducted a study in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.00,0:22:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mid 2000s that.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.00,0:28:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Said,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.00,0:23:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.00,0:25:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how are we going to assess the risks \Nfrom LNG tankers and and what
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.00,0:26:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of garlands are you,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.00,0:27:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are we going to create seems so they said.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.00,0:27:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the worst case scenario.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.00,0:13:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.00,0:15:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the worst case scenario is you \Nknow an intentional rupture of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.00,0:14:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,containment of Ellen of all the \NLNG vessels on a tanker from
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.00,0:20:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like a terrorist \Nattack or an explosion.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.00,0:23:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in that worst case scenario what \Nhazards will be created and so
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.00,0:17:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they said well within 5 kilometers.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.00,0:22:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.00,0:18:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything would be burnt to a crisp \Nand and after 16 and I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.00,0:26:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have burn hazards and and freezing \Nhouses in these things and
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.00,0:28:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would decline over distance.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.00,0:26:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if that cloud of LNG that is \Nfree if Allen she didn't ignite
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.00,0:28:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right away as it evaporate.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.00,0:14:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon turns to gas before dispersing \Nit can still be a risk of
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.00,0:27:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,producing a fireball up \Nto 3.5 kilometers away,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.00,0:21:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so for that worst case scenario,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.00,0:14:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we wouldn't require that L&G proponents \Nexamine the risks all
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.00,0:25:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along that 3 and half kilometer route \Nand we want to know if there
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.00,0:24:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are people living there.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.00,0:22:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there are,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.00,0:22:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know if they're significant \Ninfrastructure there.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.00,0:28:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there are,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.00,0:21:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know well,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.00,0:29:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of any sort of property or \Npublic health and safety risks,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.00,0:25:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you know that in the States \Nthey say yet explicitly
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.00,0:21:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,examine the possibly of \Na terrorist attack.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.00,0:29:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got a look at the \Nworst case scenario.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.00,0:28:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't see what could happen if one \Nof the things went badly wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.00,0:18:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while and with so that that's smart \Nto me you know you why you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.00,0:22:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanna know what the risks are before \Nyou privy sings before or
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.00,0:24:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whoever prism in Canada,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.00,0:28:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no such requirement and \Nalthough looking at here is the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.00,0:15:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,footprint of this facility.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.00,0:28:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.00,0:15:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's quite frankly because \Nyou know I am,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.00,0:24:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am no supporter of the \NHarper government,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.00,0:17:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do know that they say that \Nthe risk of terrorist threats
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.00,0:26:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Israel on our soil.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.00,0:29:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.00,0:24:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that's the case then why you \Nlooking at the risks from
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.00,0:23:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transporting an extremely volatile \Nsubstance in these battles
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.00,0:19:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through highly populated \Nareas I just make sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.00,0:23:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.00,0:21:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kevin washed brick.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.00,0:27:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know there are quite a few environmentally \Nconscious voters in
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.00,0:24:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Vancouver region do you worry though,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.00,0:24:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that your work to stop these proposals \Nwill push fossil fuels
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.00,0:30:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further north along the coast to \Nswarms or to northern ports,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.00,0:27:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Prince Rupert or killed a man.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.00,0:18:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's events in question.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.00,0:18:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think so,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.00,0:31:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you know those \Nprojects in the north.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.00,0:18:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Local people they're gonna \Nmake their own assessment,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.00,0:15:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I know my thoughts are in terms \Nof the risks to the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.00,0:14:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from L&G interims of what groups \Nlike the CCP in the pen.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.00,0:28:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The news you have figured out but \Nlocal populations are gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.00,0:19:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Broadway and assess.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.00,0:18:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The local rescue themselves and I \Nand I respect their ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.00,0:31:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do that and their and their interest \Nin the non-I think what's
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.00,0:25:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going on here is that you know people \Ndown here are very aware
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.00,0:19:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there are these big projects \Nproposed up north weather's L&G
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.00,0:28:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it's been pipelines and \Nwe often don't feel like we can
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.00,0:27:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have any for say,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.00,0:16:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in this kind of future for BC,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.00,0:23:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in fact metro Vancouver.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.00,0:25:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We really are on the front lines \Nof the fossil fuel debate in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.00,0:31:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,export debate because we have proposals \Nfor the Kinder Morgan
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.00,0:26:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pipeline,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.00,0:26:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've got a proposal for a new coal ports.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.00,0:31:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have a proposal for well for \Nthe L&G Fraser and the LNG and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.00,0:27:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,squeamish so people realize is that \Nthere's a lot at stake here
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.00,0:16:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are then it's more accessible,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.00,0:21:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's here you know you can have more \Nto say you can get engaged in
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.00,0:29:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.00,0:20:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can learn more about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.00,0:25:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I don't think it'll pushing the \Nway I think there's so many
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.00,0:29:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies trying to push for so \Nmany projects at once that like
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.00,0:17:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you said,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.00,0:22:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a bit of a lot more they're gonna \Npop up where they feel like
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.00,0:25:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a possibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.00,0:19:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where editor group voters taking \Naction on climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.00,0:24:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Find most of its support to young \Npeople show up just older folks
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.00,0:31:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tell us about your supporters.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.00,0:31:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.00,0:19:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.00,0:31:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's insane.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.00,0:21:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know most of our \Nwork is done online,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.00,0:31:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really we we engage with the public \Nthrough you know you social
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.00,0:32:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.00,0:17:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we do events,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.00,0:20:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we always work with other \Ngroups we do events too.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.00,0:27:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.00,0:21:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's hard to say who's coming from \Nwhere about it really is a
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.00,0:32:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cross section,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.00,0:27:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a lot of older concerned \Nfolks and there's also a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.00,0:29:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,young people we work a lot with \Na group called Kids for climate
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.00,0:21:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,action on events that,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.00,0:26:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they'd rather their sort \Nof a high school audience.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.00,0:22:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.00,0:25:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the concern is widespread \Nview whether it's because you're
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.00,0:17:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worried about you know the local \Nenvironmental whether you're
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.00,0:18:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worried about your future.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.00,0:24:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's something to be concerned \Nabout your think I guess for all
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.00,0:30:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ages.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.00,0:19:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the tack.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.00,0:19:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think other communities \Nsay in the United States or
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.00,0:30:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Britain or elsewhere could learn \Nfrom the way you're group has
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.00,0:17:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,formed and operated.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.00,0:22:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.00,0:24:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.00,0:23:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you know our our whole \Nfocus is trying to create
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.00,0:30:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunities for the public \Nto express their concern.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.00,0:26:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government we train connected \Noff between climate policy and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.00,0:21:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil fuel exports that put climate \Nat risk because the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.00,0:27:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,policy discussion are often pretty \Nabstract like the thing that's
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.00,0:30:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened recently with perhaps Harper \Nhave been saying that they
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.00,0:23:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agreed to eliminate fossil fuels \Nby 2100 well 84 years and now no
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.00,0:22:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one's gonna be here is alive now and.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.00,0:26:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's just an absurd abstract \Ndiscussion we have real
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.00,0:18:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,products right here right now there \Nare threatening our climate.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.00,0:20:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.00,0:18:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating opportunities for the \Npublic to engage in explicit
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.00,0:18:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerns are key.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.00,0:22:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know we've got a lot through \Npublic commenting websites
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.00,0:33:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like right now for the L&G think \Nwe've set up a website called
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.00,0:32:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,real LNG hearings.org and that brings \Ntogether all the information
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.00,0:25:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Fraser River LNG proposal \Nand there's a commenting tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.00,0:26:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also you can send a message directly \Nto the federal and run a
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.00,0:18:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minister,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.00,0:23:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's easy to local government.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.00,0:32:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my experience is that people care \Nand they want to take action
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.00,0:25:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. You know,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.00,0:29:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they may think that they don't know \Nhow or they don't know during
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.00,0:29:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time so you create an opportunity \Nput all the information.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.00,0:19:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One place that people want to act.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.00,0:27:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess just empowering people,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.00,0:32:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the key empowering people.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.00,0:21:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you give us your website address \Nor your Facebook page.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.00,0:18:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.00,0:30:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our website is BT ACC.org \Nthat's a website.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.00,0:27:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the key,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.00,0:29:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're really focusing \Nright now and on LNG.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.00,0:28:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that's 3 real LNG hearings.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.00,0:25:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.00,0:19:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.00,0:18:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess Kevin washed Brooke is \Nan activist in Vancouver,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.00,0:29:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canada.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.00,0:21:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As part of the group voters taking \Naction on climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.00,0:21:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I appreciate your time.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.00,0:26:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kevin.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.00,0:19:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.00,0:21:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.00,0:23:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.00,0:21:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're listening to shot radio.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.00,0:28:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't worry.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.00,0:19:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Alex meth at all their \Nvehicle shock.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.00,0:28:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is happening on the US West Coast \Nwhere fossil fuel companies
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.00,0:22:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,raised export carbon to Asia.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.00,0:31:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's tune in with a long-time \Nfriend of the environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.00,0:27:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daphne why for 8 years \Nout of Washington DC,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.00,0:19:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daphne,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.00,0:23:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,host of the syndicated radio show \NEarth beat on the Pacifica
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.00,0:21:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network her articles have been published \Nby both mainstream and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.00,0:33:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alternative media now \NJapanese in Portland,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.00,0:30:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.00,0:23:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As the director of the climate and \Nenergy program at the Center
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.00,0:20:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for sustainable economy at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.00,0:34:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she's an associate fellow at the \NInstitute for Policy Studies.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.00,0:24:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daphne.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.00,0:23:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's so good to hear your voice \Nagain on Radio Echo shock,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.00,0:34:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcome back.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.00,0:20:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.00,0:23:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex is going to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.00,0:23:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I were just on post carbon \Nradio on K W M are in Northern
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.00,0:22:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,California with.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.00,0:27:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bing Gong and current IOS it was \Na wide-ranging talk I'd like in
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.00,0:35:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this instance to drill down to \Nwhat's happening in Portland.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.00,0:33:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The state of Oregon,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.00,0:27:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe the Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.00,0:34:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it comes to transporting fossil \Nfuels are you up for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.00,0:26:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I dream.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.00,0:27:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.00,0:22:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why don't we start with Portland \Nwhat battles have been fought
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.00,0:24:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their recently against becoming \Na dirty carbon outlet.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.00,0:35:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.00,0:29:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one thing that people may not realize \Nis that not only Portland,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.00,0:30:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.00,0:33:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Barry hit city.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.00,0:22:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It also happened to be one of the \Nfirst cities in the first city
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.00,0:33:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United States to put in place \Na climate action plan back in
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.00,0:35:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the early 1990s Portland decided that \Nit really needed to take the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.00,0:29:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate crisis seriously an admirable,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.00,0:32:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the city had largely been ahead of \Nthe curve for the rest of the
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.00,0:30:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,country and who has a reputation \Nintact was recognized by the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.00,0:35:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,White House's so-called climate \Nchampionships last December,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.00,0:34:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite its reputation or perhaps \Nin addition to that reputation.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.00,0:28:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The measure decided that it was going \Nto be a good idea to invite
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.00,0:36:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the biggest tar sands pipeline \Noperators in the Canadian
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.00,0:24:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out Penn Beantown Pipeline Corporation \Nto set up shop in
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.00,0:27:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland's harbors and they wanted \Nto export propane from the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.00,0:32:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terminal here in Portland he welcomed \Nthem with open arms.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.00,0:23:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of us began to organize cried \Nfoul and at the time of this
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.00,0:24:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interview.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.00,0:23:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We seem to have one were reluctant \Nto completely declare victory
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.00,0:32:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this corporation have bottomless \Npockets and is doing all
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.00,0:21:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can do you fight back but we we \Nneed to campaign both based on
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.00,0:23:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both safety issues climate issues \Nand we generated thousands of
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.00,0:31:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,letters and very creative involvement \Nfrom a wide array of folks
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.00,0:22:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here in in the city,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.00,0:30:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including Rani basically first activists \Nand people taking over
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.00,0:23:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,City Council hearings and we finally \Ngot our message across and it
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.00,0:28:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appears that time you know it is \Nnot going to be welcome anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.00,0:27:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in in the city of Portland.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.00,0:21:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to use this victory though \Nnot just to say no one in our
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.00,0:29:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,backyard,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.00,0:35:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also to alert people \Nto just how insane.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.00,0:28:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is to be pushing forward with fossil \Nfuel infrastructure in the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.00,0:35:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.00,0:29:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have been the imperative that \Nwe begin to ratchet down our
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.00,0:29:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overall greenhouse gas emissions.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.00,0:29:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only the northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.00,0:34:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but globally and to draw attention \Nto the fact that the Pacific
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.00,0:22:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Northwest right now is in the \Ncrosshairs of the fossil fuel
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.00,0:32:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,industry.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.00,0:24:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want to export 5 times the carbon \Nand is now being proposed
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.00,0:32:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Keystone XL pipeline through \Nour reports in Oregon and
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.00,0:27:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Washington is and very few people \Nare aware of just how serious
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.00,0:25:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this however it is to our economy \Nto iron beautiful rivers and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.00,0:36:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lakes and
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.00,0:27:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside of the northwest of course \Nhero at the norms and trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.00,0:34:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take on one proposal after another \Nthat comes down the pike.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.00,0:35:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So rather than just playing whack-a-mole \Nthey which is sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:37:33.00,0:29:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what a lot of groups have been doing it,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.00,0:32:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you stop one project popped up \Nan unemployed we've decided to
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.00,0:25:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,declare a ban on all new fossil \Nfuel infrastructure starting in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.00,0:33:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland and then moving out to the \Nrest of Oregon and the rest of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.00,0:38:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the northwest and we should be getting \Na hearing over the coming
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.00,0:36:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year by city officials around this \Ncall we want no fossil fuel
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.00,0:27:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exports and no new fossil fuel \Ninfrastructure in the city.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.00,0:36:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's our campaign and and \NI think we have a pretty good
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.00,0:31:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chance of winning.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.00,0:29:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.00,0:37:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be such a different story.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.00,0:33:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're exporting solar panels \Nin bulk or wind machines.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.00,0:23:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.00,0:29:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.00,0:37:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we would love to be doing \Nsomething along those lines,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.00,0:32:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in fact that's that's the vision \Nthat Portland quite action
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.00,0:40:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plan today called for which is you \Nknow I get under way ahead of
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.00,0:27:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the curve trying to push for by \NKabul and walkable cities could
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.00,0:36:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drastically reducing greenhouse \Ngas emissions increasing public
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.00,0:33:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transit.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.00,0:36:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it just doesn't make sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.00,0:35:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We found that the emissions from \NJustice Warren propane terminal
Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.00,0:36:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alone over several decades would be \Nlarger than the entire city of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.00,0:39:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Portland's emissions if if our missions \Nwere to continue to go
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.00,0:30:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.00,0:34:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just didn't make sense from \Na climate action perspective to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.00,0:39:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be proceeding with this this terminal.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.00,0:33:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.00,0:26:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's almost like changing your light \Nbulbs at home but along a
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.00,0:25:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coal plant to be built next door.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.00,0:33:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.00,0:32:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Billionaire Warren Buffet is having \Na hard time finding a place to
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.00,0:27:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unload his call trains \Nfor shipping to China,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.00,0:26:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what have you heard about new coal \Nports in the Pacific Northwest
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.00,0:29:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.00,0:33:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.00,0:36:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's been quite a few proposals \Nall export terminals in the
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.00,0:33:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pacific Northwest and almost all \Nof them have been defeated.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.00,0:30:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have 2,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.00,0:39:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are still on the table,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.00,0:38:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one in Long View Washington \Nand one in Cherry Point:
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.00,0:40:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both are for over 40 million tons \Nof coal exports per year they
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.00,0:40:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,won in Cherry Point Washington is \Non Native American land on the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.00,0:33:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only land and they are,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.00,0:39:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are fighting and waging a very \Nserious battle against that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.00,0:35:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call export terminal because they \Nargue that it would violate
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.00,0:32:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their treaties and would affect \Ntheir fisheries the other
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.00,0:27:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposals that have been tabled \Nby up and down the the Columbia
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.00,0:36:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,River have have been withdrawn,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.00,0:32:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially by the investors \Nover the past 5 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.00,0:30:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may have to do with the fact that \Ncall increasingly has become
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.00,0:35:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less and less profitable,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.00,0:33:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we also suspect it has something \Nto do with the fact that these
Dialogue: 0,0:34:51.00,0:40:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very same terminal began to look \Nattractive for oil exports.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.00,0:26:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon as we get rid of a of a coal \Nterminal an oil terminal as
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.00,0:39:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proposed,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.00,0:40:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact the largest oil terminal \Nin the entire United States is
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.00,0:36:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being proposed right across the river \Nfrom Portland in the event
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.00,0:26:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Koura Washington and that battle \Nis now being wedged between on
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.00,0:26:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one hand,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.00,0:39:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's any plan for a major development \Non the riverfront that a
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.00,0:27:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of people are very excited \Nto see happen with you know
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.00,0:27:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,condominiums and businesses ride \Nalong the river and should this
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.00,0:36:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oil terminal get built there that \Nproject will not go forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.00,0:32:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's a lot of tension between \Nthose 2 different types of
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.00,0:42:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,development that have being proposed.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.00,0:39:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.00,0:30:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over and over again.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.00,0:30:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These oil,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.00,0:33:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gas and coal corporations are using \Nvery sneaky tactics they'll
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.00,0:36:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claim for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.00,0:42:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the ways 30 oil company managed \Nto get the Bakken crude
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.00,0:35:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,managed to be exported along \Nthe Columbia River,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.00,0:32:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they got me a port,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.00,0:35:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claiming it was going to be used \Nas a bio refinery the bio
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.00,0:41:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,refinery went bankrupt and there \Nand once they had already gotten
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.00,0:32:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the amended for the bio refinery \Nthey changed it to an oil
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.00,0:41:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terminal so there's all sorts \Nof tricky schemes that these
Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.00,0:43:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,industries are using outright lies,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.00,0:32:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,claiming that they are,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.00,0:37:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.00,0:43:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example in the case of the propane \Nterminal they claimed it
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.00,0:36:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was going to be used for the women \Nto cook with him in Asia,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.00,0:34:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we found that in fact it was on the \Nused to be making proclaiming
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.00,0:31:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and plastics and nothing to do with \Nthe alleviating the poverty
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.00,0:38:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were women in in Asia.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.00,0:40:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know we have to be on our \Nguard against these companies
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.00,0:28:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.00,0:33:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're using every strategy they \Ncan Oregon apparently is number
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.00,0:27:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3 nationally as a target for Alex funds,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.00,0:32:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's one of the right wing anti-environmental \Nand and climate
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.00,0:34:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,denialist groups that's been pushing \Na a very strong legislative
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.00,0:34:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agenda in favor of big energy and \Nthey're going up oil you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.00,0:41:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.00,0:34:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're really fighting on all \Nfronts here in the north.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.00,0:40:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now going ask you about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.00,0:43:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean whenever big oil money \Ncomes into an area.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.00,0:34:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a chance for corruption \Nand certainly you can woo
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.00,0:31:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politicians with the ideas of more \Njobs and a better economy,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.00,0:42:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and eventually I wonder is it even \Ncompatible with local democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.00,0:28:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and and freedom to in your area to \Nallow these companies to come
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.00,0:32:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in and start working the \Nway you're describing.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.00,0:30:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well that's that's compared threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.00,0:29:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's that's looming for \Nregion is you know it's yet to
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.00,0:37:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially will change the and not \Njust the political nature of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.00,0:34:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this region,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.00,0:42:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know the entire economy.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.00,0:43:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was shaped in a completely different \Ndirection when we start
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.00,0:42:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,welcoming in trains and trains \Nand terminals and refineries
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.00,0:34:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suddenly start looking a lot more \Nlike Texas than Oregon both
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.00,0:41:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politically and you know environmentally \Nand that's certainly not
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.00,0:36:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what a lot of people moved \Nto the Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.00,0:31:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His experience and that the \Nvalues of the northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.00,0:34:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know we have in addition \Nto the the traditional political
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.00,0:44:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerns.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.00,0:37:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also of course the concerns \Nthat Native Americans have
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.00,0:33:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around preserving their trade is \Na concern has been without a
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.00,0:44:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,court and try to get these treaties \Nupheld for Native Americans is
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.00,0:41:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in some cases if they lose \Ntheir truly get weekend.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.00,0:44:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a great at great risk that \Nthey go to court and try to get
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.00,0:33:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these treaties upheld and that's \Nanother potential setback that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.00,0:39:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately once again.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.00,0:41:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Native Americans have an awful \Nlot to lose in this battle.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.00,0:41:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Radio Eco shark with Augusta \Nlong time Green radio host
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.00,0:32:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and activist Stephanie Weisz another \Nbig do you know Darfuris is
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.00,0:38:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to announce massive liquid \Nnatural gas terminals.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.00,0:41:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got a government \Nin British Columbia,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.00,0:35:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the got elected promising all the \Njobs in the money and and you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.00,0:31:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know our budget would be totally \Nbalanced once we get these LNG
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.00,0:40:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plants,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.00,0:46:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which have not materialized.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.00,0:32:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Incidentally,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.00,0:43:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what about LNG in the Pacific Northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.00,0:41:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.00,0:39:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's another big battle that we're \Nfacing right now we've got 2
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.00,0:38:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,major pipelines being proposed just \Nfor Oregon one in southern
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.00,0:37:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon that they want to build its over$7
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.00,0:36:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,billion pipeline that they want to \Nbuild through the southern part
Dialogue: 0,0:36:45.00,0:41:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Oregon and then have the export \Nterminal export LNG from coups
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.00,0:45:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they Oregon and another one in northern \NOregon and Washington,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:44.00,0:38:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregon and both of these \Nprojects would involved.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.00,0:35:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.00,0:34:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,massive equation land that a \Nlot of it in private hands.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.00,0:35:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in many cases they are claiming,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.00,0:45:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eminent domain.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.00,0:35:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know as an argument in favor \Nof her example 10 about$25,000
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.00,0:44:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,per acre,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.00,0:40:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is way below the market value \Ndue to land borders and the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.00,0:37:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,irony in this is that many of these \NLNG companies are actually
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.00,0:40:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,foreign owned and they're \Nclaiming eminent domain,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.00,0:32:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is you know of course \Nit's for export.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.00,0:43:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of people that I was lifting \Nthese LNG terminals are
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.00,0:32:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.00,0:35:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.00,0:42:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.00,0:44:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can he possibly be using a law \Nthat was created to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.00,0:39:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure for people in the United \NStates taking on land away
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.00,0:33:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from us in order to facilitate the \Nprofits of foreign corporations
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.00,0:33:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are just bypassing all of our \Nour legal structures in order
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.00,0:36:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to to build this pipeline and exported \Nit to other countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.00,0:42:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's a lot of resistance.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.00,0:37:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.00,0:42:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not with so much money on achieve \Nall a lot of politicians are
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.00,0:47:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lining up to support this,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:47.00,0:40:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and certainly our local paper \NThe Oregonian seems to be
Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.00,0:39:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely in the pocket of the fossil \Nfuel industry which written
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.00,0:36:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,editorials saying that climate \Nchange is not a concern for
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.00,0:43:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oregonian Gennaro regularly trumpeting \Nall the benefits of these
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.00,0:48:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil fuel exports.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.00,0:44:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're in a bit of a,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.00,0:35:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.00,0:41:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a bit of a of a war \Nhere in the northwest.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.00,0:45:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of both keeping people \Ninformed about what's really
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.00,0:46:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening and and taking you know \Nholding our elected officials
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.00,0:38:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accountable.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.00,0:40:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does the state of Oregon allow fracas.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.00,0:36:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now it has not banned tracking \Nthis actually did come up this
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.00,0:40:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year and that there wasn't a bill \Nthat originally was going to ban
Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.00,0:42:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for acting and then it sort of morphed \Ninto regulating tracking
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.00,0:41:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that created a huge uproar where \Npeople said no we don't want
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.00,0:34:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to regulate it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.00,0:40:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want ban it out outcry currently \Nthere as far as I know there's
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.00,0:36:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very little in the way of any sort \Nof gas exploitable gas reserves
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.00,0:43:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anywhere in Oregon but I think he \Nwould have an awfully hard time
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.00,0:46:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for hacking in Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.00,0:35:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well that's good to hear now Daphne,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.00,0:37:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know you continue to keep track \Nof US national policy as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.00,0:41:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you make of President Obama \Ntaking you know he talks
Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.00,0:34:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strongly about climate change and \Nany approves exploration for
Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.00,0:42:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more fossil fuels in the fragile \NArctic by Shell Oil.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.00,0:34:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know you're getting as good as mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.00,0:34:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex I'm I'm just mystified at \Nyou know how he can not take
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.00,0:44:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially of late.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.00,0:39:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In his last 2 years in office,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.00,0:38:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I think it's so much more freely \Ndisputed boldly about the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.00,0:46:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate crisis and seems to \Nbe taking an awful lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:39:30.00,0:39:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunities to speak out on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.00,0:45:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why he would on the one hand take these,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.00,0:34:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.00,0:46:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take these actions do for example \Nrestrict coal-fired power plant
Dialogue: 0,0:46:19.00,0:35:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emissions and and increase \Nenergy efficient,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.00,0:49:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fuel-efficient automobiles and then \Nat the same time allow for
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.00,0:36:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arctic drilling and massive oil \Nand gas chemical exports.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.00,0:35:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose it may have something \Nto do with the fact that he was
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.00,0:36:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number one recipient of BP's \Nfunds when he was running for
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.00,0:43:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,office.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.00,0:37:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if he's still feeling \Nbeholden to his donors.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.00,0:39:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really hard to understand why \Nhe why he is acting only hears
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.00,0:36:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. And again on the international front.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.00,0:35:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was disappointed.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.00,0:46:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The leaders of industrial countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.00,0:42:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the G7 could only promise an end to \Ncarbon emissions by the end of
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.00,0:40:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this century 85 years away.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.00,0:41:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's way too late to avoid \Ncatastrophic climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.00,0:36:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.00,0:41:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's right,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.00,0:46:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean we had a proposal that whereas \Nthe Germans and the G7 were
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.00,0:36:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to you get indeed curb innovation \Nof all other G7 economies
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.00,0:50:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by 20-50 and the Canadians and \Nthe Japanese pushed back on
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.00,0:44:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,urgently and said no,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:24.00,0:45:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we were sign on to do carbon \Nthe station by 2100 of course is
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.00,0:36:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a non-binding agreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.00,0:39:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So even if it were 2050 it would be,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.00,0:49:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wouldn't be all that that exciting \Nbut 2100 it is still far out
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.00,0:50:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know past it the lifetime of \Nany of these folks at the table
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.00,0:50:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm sure they felt very comfortable \Nmaking this agreement and
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.00,0:37:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kicking the can down the road.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.00,0:45:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Japanese apparently are very \Nheavily invested you know coal
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.00,0:44:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fire power you know he's learned \Nthat explains their reluctance,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.00,0:50:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you see any decrease in their \Ninvestments in coal and I I I
Dialogue: 0,0:50:32.00,0:48:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suppose the Canadians do the tourist \Ntown are reluctant to see
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.00,0:50:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decolonization any trying to do but \Nyou seem to suggest in in our
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.00,0:43:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last conversation tar sands profits \Nare plummeting as their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.00,0:46:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.00,0:48:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just too expensive to \Nproduce the tar sands.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.00,0:38:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need at least$60
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.00,0:41:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to$70
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.00,0:42:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a barrel to do it and they're only \Ngetting about 40 to 45 they
Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.00,0:35:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't get world prices because the \Ntires and requires so much work
Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.00,0:50:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the refinery to get a usable \Nproduct that they get a lower
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.00,0:39:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,price.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.00,0:51:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they're losing some money and it,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:29.00,0:37:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's happening is this massive layoffs \Nin Alberta and I mean big
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.00,0:36:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big big layoffs and the financing \Nfor these companies is getting
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.00,0:38:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hard to get and their stocks,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.00,0:49:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to one of our \Nguests went down 70%,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.00,0:41:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's a big drop in their \Nstock value as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.00,0:42:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.00,0:45:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.00,0:46:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that may be.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.00,0:52:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me explain why they're trying to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:02.00,0:40:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also some of the same companies \Ncap into the acts Gaston and
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.00,0:52:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,propane byproduct of that in the past \Nhave been treated as a waste
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.00,0:43:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gas,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.00,0:43:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's another revenue stream for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.00,0:42:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You now do you expect much concrete \Nto come out of the pair's
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.00,0:49:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate talks later this year.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.00,0:44:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well I'm I'm always hopeful.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.00,0:47:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:27.00,0:39:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I I had that they haven't been \NI I went to the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.00,0:42:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,negotiations in Kyoto and I went \Nto several others after that and
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.00,0:43:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't been to the last few years,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:48.00,0:53:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was just feeling very discouraged \Nabout all of the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.00,0:43:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brinksmanship and which which is what \Nyou always see it with these
Dialogue: 0,0:44:56.00,0:48:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conferences nobody shows their hand \Nuntil long after midnight on
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.00,0:42:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the final made and finally everybody's \Nscrambling on very little
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.00,0:48:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sleep to come up with an agreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.00,0:52:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just seemed like you know I dream \Nof of chess with the planets
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.00,0:52:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. The fate of the planet at \Nstake over and over again.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.00,0:43:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got I kind of very tiresome.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.00,0:50:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This time,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.00,0:46:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know we do how China coming \Nto the table with an agreement
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.00,0:50:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the United States that does seem \Nto have potentially at least
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.00,0:45:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broken a logjam between the developing \Ncountries and that the
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.00,0:51:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wealthy countries that we saw over \Nand over again played out its
Dialogue: 0,0:53:25.00,0:53:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate negotiations.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:06.00,0:49:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it seems that the dynamics \Ncould be different enough to
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.00,0:43:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially a shift things moving forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.00,0:51:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But whether we'll see the kind of \Ntruly dramatic commitments that
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.00,0:46:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are needed to stabilize the \Nclimate earning trying to,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.00,0:52:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:42.00,0:41:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not that hopeful but I I I do \Nthink to think well at least
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.00,0:51:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,begin to shift at this next Senate.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.00,0:42:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fox.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:29.00,0:39:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.00,0:38:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now America has elections \Ncoming up eventually,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.00,0:38:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you expect the same rogues \Ngallery of Republican climate
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.00,0:39:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deniers to be elected again in Congress.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:49.00,0:38:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the Republicans have a very \Nslim chances of gaining the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.00,0:49:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presidency.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:06.00,0:50:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that they have a higher likelihood \Nof retaining control of
Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.00,0:52:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the south and in the house when \Nyou have somebody like Hillary
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.00,0:54:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clinton running for office.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:34.00,0:47:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you know just given her \Nstature nationally and and
Dialogue: 0,0:49:00.00,0:44:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,globally.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.00,0:54:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She probably stand a greater \Nchance than any of the other
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.00,0:39:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,candidates they're running but a \Nlot can happen between now and
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.00,0:48:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20-16 that's my prediction \Nat this point in time,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.00,0:44:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oil processing Bernie Sanders surprisingly \Ngaining on Hillary
Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.00,0:54:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clinton.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:56.00,0:55:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is an independent and a \Nself-proclaimed socialist.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:19.00,0:43:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's a huge surprise \Nfor the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.00,0:47:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what it suggests,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.00,0:41:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that people have had enough of \Neither candidate really avoiding
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.00,0:41:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the issue of income inequality and \NBernie standard but there is
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.00,0:48:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking on the corporations in the \Nbanks like no other candidate is
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.00,0:39:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.00,0:51:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I remember after the financial \Ncrash that Bernie Sanders
Dialogue: 0,0:54:50.00,0:46:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually came out and described \Nwho runs America and it was
Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.00,0:50:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revealing he talked for hours and \Nhours and hours on the record.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.00,0:49:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was great stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:59.00,0:41:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.00,0:39:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see that scientists say.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.00,0:52:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Climate change will look very different \Nfrom region to region,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.00,0:54:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we saw that again this year \Nin North America with a hot
Dialogue: 0,0:40:08.00,0:46:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exceptionally dry western a cool \Nsnow rainy east is it a big
Dialogue: 0,0:47:42.00,0:54:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem that citizens experience climate \Nchange so locally and yet
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.00,0:50:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problem demands a global solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.00,0:54:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:20.00,0:45:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean in terms of the \Ndeserving Northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.00,0:47:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the things that we are preparing \Nfor a which is a little
Dialogue: 0,0:47:47.00,0:49:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit alarming is there.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.00,0:51:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Niger influx of climate refugees \Nto the northwest,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:32.00,0:46:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,city officials tell us that they're \Nexpecting you know the
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.00,0:44:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,population in Portland for example \Nto increased by several hundred
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.00,0:43:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousand in the coming decades.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.00,0:51:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think you know Californian \Ndried up and continues to drag.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:55.00,0:47:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We probably will see quite a \Nfew people moving north from
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.00,0:40:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,California wetter climates.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.00,0:42:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it problematic how climate change \Nout with regard to I I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.00,0:55:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fully understand what what what what \Nyou mean by that question can
Dialogue: 0,0:55:20.00,0:46:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be retrained.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.00,0:55:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.00,0:55:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just that you know the old \Nstory about the elephant people
Dialogue: 0,0:55:05.00,0:45:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come up.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.00,0:42:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The elephant in one pulls the tail \Non says that's what an elf.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.00,0:55:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looks like the other one grabs \Na new year and says that's what
Dialogue: 0,0:55:51.00,0:50:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the often looks like climate \Nchange is kind of like that,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.00,0:49:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know you have people who see \Nand experiencing so differently
Dialogue: 0,0:52:08.00,0:48:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right around them and yet they're \Nsupposed to all unite somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:51:52.00,0:48:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and demand an overall great big solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.00,0:53:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.00,0:40:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I think that polls suggest \Nthat a majority of Americans do
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.00,0:50:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that the climate crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:03.00,0:50:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The areas it's happening and they \Nwant to see action taken on it,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.00,0:53:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless of how it manifests \Nin their region.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:49.00,0:41:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think people are increasingly \Nalarmed and are increasingly
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.00,0:43:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanting to see elected \Nofficial take action.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.00,0:50:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately our elected officials \Nthere you know largely
Dialogue: 0,0:55:19.00,0:45:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,following the money and most of \Nthe money is with the club
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.00,0:41:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brothers and the other oil companies \Nso they're listening to them
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.00,0:45:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not to that the American people \Nbut at least at the moment you
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.00,0:51:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know this is one reason why we need \Nbetter campaign finance laws
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.00,0:48:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this country.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:24.00,0:50:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think what we come to the conclusion \Nhere at the Center for
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.00,0:44:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sustainable economy is that working \Nat the city level working at
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.00,0:55:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the state level,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:22.00,0:55:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can get a lot more done than \Nyou can trying to work in
Dialogue: 0,0:56:25.00,0:50:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Washington DC things are very \Nbroken and Washington,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:38.00,0:45:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can actually affect \Npolicy at the state level,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.00,0:46:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and eventually hopefully \NMPs that into some sort.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.00,0:47:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,National strategy.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.00,0:57:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.00,0:43:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a great point,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.00,0:48:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you getting re-energized by \Nregional activism on the west
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.00,0:48:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coast versus the politics of living \Nand working in Washington DC.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:44.00,0:54:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh yes,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:45.00,0:42:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.00,0:42:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know and a hit lots and lots \Nof exclamation points after that
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.00,0:48:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statement I I'm so inspired by and \Nmany of the young people that
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.00,0:48:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,retirees so level of engagement here \Nin the northwest around the
Dialogue: 0,0:48:20.00,0:54:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issue of climate change is so \Nbroad and persons here and so
Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.00,0:43:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energized.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.00,0:54:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really inspiring to see a lot \Nof people hurt you know just
Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.00,0:54:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put their careers completely on \Nhold and are doing nothing but
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.00,0:52:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on this climate crisis,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.00,0:46:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.00,0:55:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's leading local 350 chapter \Nhere in Portland.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.00,0:52:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the former Andy who \Njust decided this was,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:05.00,0:57:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is where she needed to \Nspend her time and energy.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:28.00,0:55:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know a lot of people that have \Ndealt with either early
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.00,0:53:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,retirement or living very frugally \Nso that they can devote a
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.00,0:51:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant amount of time to working \Non the the fighting at the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.00,0:53:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil fuel industry here in Oregon.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:42.00,0:53:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.00,0:58:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's both inspiring encourages me \Nto work even harder whereas back
Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.00,0:51:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Washington,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:28.00,0:45:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DC.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.00,0:44:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just feel that no matter how much \Nyou through your head against
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.00,0:57:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that wall you just keeps Nash.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:25.00,0:58:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know how to go through expense \Nand it wasn't going to budge.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.00,0:43:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But things do actually \Nget done it Thursday.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:23.00,0:57:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder if there's a story or experience \Nbeyond that you think
Dialogue: 0,0:58:06.00,0:48:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could help raise our listeners \Nto an even greater move into
Dialogue: 0,0:49:10.00,0:52:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate activism.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.00,0:43:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.00,0:51:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I think the climate crisis \Nyou you know you've covered it
Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.00,0:45:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so well,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.00,0:55:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially in your recent shows \Nwith climate psychologists and
Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.00,0:49:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,others talking about the ways in \Nwhich we turn away from just how
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.00,0:59:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serious it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.00,0:58:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it cannot have that result,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:50.00,0:51:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it can also when you are working \Nin coalition with others I
Dialogue: 0,0:52:25.00,0:49:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I found is that the people \Nthat end up coming out to join
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.00,0:55:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this coalitions are some of the \Nbest members of our society and
Dialogue: 0,0:57:42.00,0:46:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean you know just smart committed,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.00,0:58:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,funny,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:56.00,0:45:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creative,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.00,0:55:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these are the kinds of people \Nthat I would want to have.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:31.00,0:45:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By my side fighting any kind of battle.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.00,0:52:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I encourage people that are in \Nany way feeling defeated by this
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.00,0:56:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crisis turn that sort of intention \Nto mourn into an into an
Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.00,0:46:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organizing intention and to really \Nstick out like-minded folks
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.00,0:45:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they will energize you and \Nkeep you going in the darkest
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.00,0:56:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hours and a lot of us are \Nfeeling the grief around.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.00,0:56:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I felt it for quite some time,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:08.00,0:59:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there is,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.00,0:55:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are signs that people are really \Nbeginning to get it and I
Dialogue: 0,0:56:14.00,0:44:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really getting mobilized for example \Nand working with the National
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.00,0:57:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unitarian General Assembly that's \Ngathering in Portland and 6,000
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.00,0:51:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,members of the Unitarian coming \Nfrom all over the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.00,1:00:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they'll be focused exclusively \Non those climate change and
Dialogue: 0,1:00:59.00,0:57:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also how best to work in solidarity \Nwith native Americans in
Dialogue: 0,0:59:03.00,0:55:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facing down this crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.00,0:45:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very exciting.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.00,0:55:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It feels like we are going to go \Nback to our home communities and
Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.00,0:56:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really commit to respond.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:03.00,0:58:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact there is a website commit \Nto respond and people were going
Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.00,0:52:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be asked to do something along \Nthe same lines of what your last
Dialogue: 0,0:53:20.00,0:58:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guest asked us to do which is to \Nmobilize towards a World War 2
Dialogue: 0,0:59:04.00,0:57:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,type mobilization to save you know \NI think a lot of us recognize
Dialogue: 0,0:57:18.00,0:58:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that's what's required to swim \Ntime and we need all of us to be
Dialogue: 0,0:59:52.00,0:52:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calling for the same thing both for \Nour economy and for our planet
Dialogue: 0,0:55:36.00,0:46:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if were gonna stop this monster in time.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:09.00,0:58:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:39.00,0:52:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our guest Washington hosted the environmental \Nprogram for 8 years
Dialogue: 0,0:52:24.00,0:51:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Pacifica Radio network now \Nshe's bounced between regional
Dialogue: 0,0:53:58.00,0:54:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activism on the West Coast continuing \Nwatch over national and
Dialogue: 0,0:55:22.00,0:58:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,international climate developments.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.00,0:47:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is the director of climate \Nand the energy program at the
Dialogue: 0,0:47:08.00,0:52:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Center for sustainable economy definitely \Nwhere the best places to
Dialogue: 0,0:52:02.00,0:49:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,follow your ongoing work.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.00,0:56:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sustainable dash economy of our \Nwebsite and we are getting on
Dialogue: 0,1:01:29.00,0:57:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate and energy program up and running.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:21.00,0:55:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were very excited about a new \Ninitiative that you can see an
Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.00,1:00:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,update on shortly called climate response.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:38.00,0:56:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a preliminary paper up there \Nand we'll be posting a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:56:32.00,0:49:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our activity on Algerian and other \Noil and gas and coal exports in
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Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.00,0:49:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much for joining us again,
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Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.00,0:52:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important talk from climate week \Nat Harvard University Center for
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.00,0:53:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the environment,
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Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.00,0:51:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. James Anderson and the title \Nis coupled feedback in the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.00,0:54:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate structure that set the timescale \Nfor irreversible change
Dialogue: 0,1:01:42.00,0:51:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arctic isotopes to stratospheric radicals.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.00,1:02:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's quite a bit and believe me \Nhe covers a lot this talk on
Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.00,0:54:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,April 8th 20-15 was part of a series \Nof presentations I found this
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Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.00,0:49:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks to a tip from a radio equal \Nshock listener and I'm so glad
Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.00,0:52:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:40.00,0:48:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The talk as Anderson tells us,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:42.00,0:57:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a fairly high level.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.00,0:56:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A presentation of ongoing research \Ninto some important
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.00,0:51:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developments in the climate Anderson \Ncovers a wide range of
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.00,0:48:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,science.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.00,0:58:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can only get to a few points here,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:23.00,0:52:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:44.00,0:54:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research into past ages showed the \Nstratosphere that upper level
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.00,0:54:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Earth's atmosphere above the weather \Nwas far wetter than today
Dialogue: 0,0:54:22.00,0:59:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, in past greenhouse ages.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:44.00,0:55:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The wording of the stratosphere should \Nbe happening now but until
Dialogue: 0,0:58:18.00,0:54:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very recently nobody knew \Nhow that could happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:21.00,0:58:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we do Anderson also points out \Na key difference between past
Dialogue: 0,1:00:35.00,0:58:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hothouse world and today this time around.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:48.00,1:03:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Humans have also injected chlorinated \Nsubstances like ozone
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.00,0:51:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destroying CFCs there were never \Nthere in the past ages and how
Dialogue: 0,0:51:27.00,0:56:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does that affect climate change as \Nwe'll hear from those opening
Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.00,0:51:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quote scientists are gaining new \Nknowledge on changes we've made
Dialogue: 0,0:57:15.00,1:02:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that cannot be reversed,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:06.00,1:04:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least not in any timescale that \Nmatters to humans here is Dr.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:10.00,0:56:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anderson speaking at Harvard.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.00,0:56:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is really research talk about \N2 aspects of the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.00,1:03:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:29.00,1:04:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both of which are coupled through \Nirreversible connective cycles
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.00,0:51:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I'm gonna talk about experiments \Ndone 5 meters above the
Dialogue: 0,0:51:00.00,1:02:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surface and then experiments done \N20 kilometers above the surface
Dialogue: 0,1:03:14.00,0:54:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll see why those are linked,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:47.00,0:58:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just in case I basketball \Nover these things I want to
Dialogue: 0,1:00:41.00,1:04:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emphasize some points.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:33.00,0:57:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first one is that this global \Nclimate structure is changing
Dialogue: 0,0:57:07.00,0:54:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,far more rapidly than than we believe \Nwas possible even even 5
Dialogue: 0,0:54:22.00,1:01:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years ago and I'm gonna show some \Ndominant examples of that the
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.00,1:03:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next issue is the feedback in the \Nclimate structure because it
Dialogue: 0,1:03:30.00,1:01:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeks feedback sits set the timescale \Nfor a reverse ability and
Dialogue: 0,1:03:55.00,1:06:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna take a very brief tour \Nthrough the climate system to
Dialogue: 0,1:06:18.00,0:50:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demonstrate how that functions now:
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.00,1:01:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a look at the way in which developing \Ntechnology provides direct
Dialogue: 0,1:02:15.00,0:59:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,measurements for example of methane \Nand carbon di-oxide ITA topic
Dialogue: 0,0:52:10.00,1:05:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fox measurement.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:21.00,1:05:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next we'll hear about how the fragile \NArctic determined so much of
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Dialogue: 0,0:58:07.00,1:00:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I'm going to look at why these \NCryer systems which are so
Dialogue: 0,1:02:22.00,1:05:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delicate because heat of fusion \Nfor waters so small that the
Dialogue: 0,1:05:07.00,0:55:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delicacy of of these Cryer systems \Nin a cruel irony link into the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.00,1:03:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,larger global climate structure \Nand they exhibit inordinate
Dialogue: 0,1:03:29.00,1:03:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control over these global climate \Nsystems I'm I'm gonna touch very
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.00,0:52:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,briefly on this pale your record \Nand as Brian talked about on on
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.00,0:55:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tuesday that the climate structure \Ndepends in in large measure on
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.00,1:01:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the temperature gradient between \Nthe tropics in the polar regions
Dialogue: 0,1:01:18.00,0:57:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and during the EEOC,
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Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.00,0:58:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and and and the polar regions and \Nin that particular structure of
Dialogue: 0,0:58:59.00,1:01:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the stratosphere had to be wet.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:41.00,0:58:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's very little
Dialogue: 0,1:07:23.00,0:57:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:34.00,1:05:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:14.00,0:53:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brian,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:55.00,1:05:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think there's any possibility \Nof having that claim a
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Dialogue: 0,1:03:10.00,0:56:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as we'll see moisture entering \Nthe stratosphere today has a
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.00,0:55:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very different connotation because \Nit triggers catalytic cycles
Dialogue: 0,0:55:27.00,0:51:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving chlorine in Bromley in \Nthat were not present during the
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.00,0:57:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EEOC so also talk about you active \Nof injection north of the
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Dialogue: 0,0:59:06.00,0:55:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which as we saw from from Bryant brands \Ntalk is of a potential way
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.00,0:53:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of transitioning from the current \Nstructure of the climate to one
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.00,0:59:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which there is a far smaller difference \Nbetween in temperature
Dialogue: 0,1:00:19.00,1:02:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the equator in the polar regions,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:21.00,0:54:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so is convicted injection of water,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.00,0:59:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it turned out to be unique over \Nthe US and it's coupled also to
Dialogue: 0,1:06:20.00,1:05:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any cyclonic flow over the US that \Nthat's created by the North
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Dialogue: 0,0:52:56.00,0:59:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we have this convicted injection \Ninto this anti cyclonic
Dialogue: 0,0:59:50.00,1:05:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,motion,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:31.00,0:55:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a hoot demonic combination \Ncreated by the dynamics.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:27.00,1:07:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it has very strong good coupling \Ninto the catalytic chemical
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Dialogue: 0,0:56:44.00,1:01:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Note how Anderson stressed the point \Nmade again and again by our
Dialogue: 0,1:02:07.00,0:55:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guest scientist Paul Beckwith when \Nexplaining the new disruption
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Dialogue: 0,1:02:34.00,0:59:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difference between the tropics in \Nthe polls as polar regions warm
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.00,1:01:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up the difference is declining and \Nthe result is a slower and wave
Dialogue: 0,1:02:31.00,0:59:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your jet stream and some really strange \Nweather for all of us in
Dialogue: 0,0:59:35.00,0:55:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the northern world as a side note,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.00,0:59:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anderson explains why both the \Nleft and the right may support
Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.00,1:07:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further research into controversial \Ngeo engineering first he
Dialogue: 0,1:07:45.00,1:07:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,refers to the National Research \NCouncil report on climate
Dialogue: 0,1:07:18.00,0:59:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engineering particularly solar \Nradiation management.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:12.00,1:05:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The National Research Council \Njust released a new report on
Dialogue: 0,1:05:16.00,0:59:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate engineering particularly \Nsolar radiation management that
Dialogue: 0,0:57:21.00,1:09:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is being pushed actually in a bipartisan \Nway because the right
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.00,0:59:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would like to have solar radiation \Nmanagement so more fossil fuels
Dialogue: 0,1:00:01.00,0:59:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be burned and the left believes \Nthat intruding in natural
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.00,0:54:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systems like this is a very dangerous \Nso research on the topic is
Dialogue: 0,0:55:11.00,0:58:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gaining bilateral support,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:34.00,0:54:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is highly unusual these days.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:56.00,1:06:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next we hear why James Anderson,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:58.00,1:02:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinks global warming is so horribly \Nwrong as a term to describe
Dialogue: 0,1:02:43.00,1:09:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the current climate shift.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:55.00,1:07:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:35.00,1:03:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so let me start with with a bias \Nthis this term global warming
Dialogue: 0,1:05:20.00,0:54:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applied to this problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:33.00,0:57:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes me shudder because 70% \Nof the globe is covered by the
Dialogue: 0,0:57:17.00,1:03:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ocean,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:47.00,1:06:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an average depth of 3500 meters,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:59.00,1:01:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it has massive heat capacity,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:42.00,1:00:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so my mind most degenerate variable \Nyou can discusses mean global
Dialogue: 0,1:05:26.00,1:03:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,temperature and it also carries a \Nconnotation of something that's
Dialogue: 0,1:03:10.00,1:07:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening slow leak you know one \Ndegree centigrade per century
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.00,1:03:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't carry a huge amount of political \Nimperative behind it.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.00,1:03:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It also carries the connotation \Nthat you can watch think slowly
Dialogue: 0,1:03:12.00,1:06:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change and if you don't like,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:23.00,1:04:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you can just slow down the release \Nof carbon dioxide and return
Dialogue: 0,1:04:58.00,0:59:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the condition and nothing could \Nbe further from the truth is,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:02.00,1:07:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we'll see.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:52.00,1:02:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I always avoid the term and \NI cringe every time I hear it.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.00,1:11:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll never have time to get to all \Nthe great science in the stock
Dialogue: 0,1:11:00.00,1:04:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,. But I do want you to hear this.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:13.00,1:03:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next point involves these methane \Nclatter it's either of these
Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.00,1:03:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beautiful structures ice cages within \Nwhich nature inserts methane
Dialogue: 0,1:03:02.00,1:00:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produced anaerobic by decomposition \Nof organic material and in its
Dialogue: 0,1:00:18.00,1:02:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's chirpy that's driving this \Nentirely because it nature of
Dialogue: 0,1:03:12.00,1:03:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course abhors a vacuum and with stuff \Nmolecules and every possible
Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.00,1:11:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nook and cranny in order to \Nengage the inclusion of
Dialogue: 0,1:06:33.00,1:05:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy states and it turns out that \Nmethane 5th beautifully into
Dialogue: 0,1:06:37.00,1:04:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these water cages and this is ubiquitous \NKlatten nothing rates
Dialogue: 0,1:04:43.00,0:56:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contain about 3 times the chemical \Nenergy of all known fossil fuel
Dialogue: 0,1:00:48.00,0:59:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reserves include coal,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:30.00,1:09:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,petroleum natural gas and they \Nreside not only in the surface
Dialogue: 0,1:11:34.00,0:57:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soils of Siberia northern Alaska but also
Dialogue: 0,1:05:58.00,0:59:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're ubiquitous across the ocean \Nbasins this was pulled up off
Dialogue: 0,0:59:42.00,1:11:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the west coast of about 100m than \Nit is touch of magic to it and
Dialogue: 0,1:11:46.00,1:08:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it it ignites but the numbers as Steve,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.00,1:02:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the point pointed out,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:53.00,1:00:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are actually quite concerning.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:45.00,1:06:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here we plot the CO2 emissions \Nfrom fossil-fuel burning in gig
Dialogue: 0,1:07:00.00,1:08:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tons of carbon per year yet to convert \Nback from CO2 but canonical
Dialogue: 0,1:11:55.00,1:01:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,representation is and in carbon \Nper vehicle because of that's
Dialogue: 0,1:02:40.00,1:01:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,typically how calibrated so 1990 have \Nabout 6 again get tons of of
Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.00,0:57:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,carbon was added to the atmosphere \Nby fossil-fuel burning,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.00,1:09:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was basically a textbook \Nnumber for for many many years,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:14.00,0:57:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in 2000,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:46.00,0:56:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it started to take off and when \Nthe 2007 IPCC report came out.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:43.00,1:08:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These were the release than area.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:54.00,1:00:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was the worst possible \Ncases up a red wine,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:38.00,1:08:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:18.00,0:59:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've exceeded that of every year.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.00,1:07:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The subsequent to to 2007 but the \Nkey point is that just half a
Dialogue: 0,1:07:36.00,1:02:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percent of the labor while carbon \Nin the Earth's surface soils,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:00.00,1:05:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the North Slope of of Alaska \Nand Siberia just half a percent
Dialogue: 0,1:07:05.00,1:04:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,release rate per year gives \Nus around 89 tons per year,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:19.00,1:11:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which doubles the carbon added \Nto the atmosphere by all
Dialogue: 0,1:01:03.00,1:06:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fossil-fuel burning worldwide.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:25.00,1:04:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this constitutes for the \Nnext exhibit for feedback.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:50.00,1:09:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anderson gives the example of a \Nclass 3 pulled up off the west
Dialogue: 0,1:10:23.00,1:04:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coast from a depth of about 100 meters,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:06.00,1:00:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be ignited with old match.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:29.00,1:05:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:09.00,1:11:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't get to the strange way \Nchlorinated substances playback
Dialogue: 0,1:11:12.00,1:06:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on other climate feedback in the \Natmosphere plus and this is a
Dialogue: 0,1:06:26.00,1:07:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spoiler alert.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:57.00,0:59:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scientists have discovered a way \Nthe stratosphere can become
Dialogue: 0,0:59:21.00,1:08:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wetter as it did in past greenhouse \Nworlds many many hours flying
Dialogue: 0,1:08:25.00,1:13:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the world found the stratosphere \Nhas the same low amount of
Dialogue: 0,1:13:38.00,1:05:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water vapor.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:00.00,1:02:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in a kink in the system.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.00,1:12:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A collision of weather factors over \Nthe continental United States
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.00,1:05:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creates an almost unique kind of heat \Nfunnel that does inject more
Dialogue: 0,1:05:00.00,1:05:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water into the stratosphere.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:32.00,1:04:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are several other sites like \Nthat Anderson says they have
Dialogue: 0,1:04:46.00,1:04:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mechanism that will wet down \Nthe stratosphere over time,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:10.00,1:11:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I say there's a huge range of \Ncutting science in the stock by
Dialogue: 0,1:11:23.00,1:13:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James Anderson.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:54.00,1:04:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of it is a little difficult \Nfor the lay person to understand
Dialogue: 0,1:04:48.00,1:09:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, but most of it is very clear.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:00.00,1:10:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We learn of feedback switch make \Nthis developing climate shift
Dialogue: 0,1:01:14.00,0:59:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a major geological event \Nthat cannot be reversed.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.00,1:11:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have already gone over the climate \Ncliff he tells us how far we
Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.00,1:08:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fall depends on whether we can rein \Nin our fossil-fuel burning
Dialogue: 0,1:10:05.00,1:14:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emissions before they trigger much \Nmuch larger carbon or methane
Dialogue: 0,1:14:39.00,1:14:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inputs from the previously frozen \Nland and sea bed in the Arctic
Dialogue: 0,1:08:35.00,1:14:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find an easy link to this video presentation \Nat Harvard University
Dialogue: 0,0:59:39.00,1:09:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,April 8 2015 in my shell \Nblog eco shock.info.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:53.00,1:02:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll also add my lengthy \Nnotes to the blog,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:46.00,1:12:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which includes a few links and explanations \Nwe've blown through
Dialogue: 0,1:12:50.00,1:03:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time barrier again get all past \Nprograms as free MP3s from our
Dialogue: 0,1:03:25.00,1:11:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,website at shock.org listen any \Ntime on the radio shock page on
Dialogue: 0,1:13:19.00,1:15:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sound cloud I'm Alex,