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[James Turrell: "Second Meeting"]

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You don't normally look at light,

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we're generally looking at something light reveals.

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For me, it was important that people come to value light--

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to value light as we value gold, silver, paintings, objects.

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It's not something that you form with the hands like wax or clay.

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You don't carve it away like with wood or stone.

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You don't assemble it like welding it.

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And it's kind of learning your craft--

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it took a while for me to learn to work with light

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so that you really felt its physical presence and came to value it.

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I started making these kinds of spaces first in my studio,

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but the idea began to evolve so that I actually was making these spaces outside--

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that you actually entered to then look out from,

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as opposed to gain outlook or even insight on how we perceive sky.

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This is a space where I want to bring the space of the sky down to the top of the space you're in,

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so that you really feel to be at the bottom of the ocean of air,

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and you really then experience this quality that can happen at the change of day to night and night to day.

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But doing this right at the cusp of change was very important.

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[WOMAN] I mean, it looks pretty dark in here...

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[TURRELL] Light out there...

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[WOMAN] And you go outside, and you're out there for maybe 30 seconds looking at the sky,

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you come back in, and you see more blue than you did when you left.

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[TURRELL] Yes.

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[WOMAN] Your eye has just adjusted again. It's amazing...

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[MAN] Or if you would do this, it gets blue again. Look.

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[WOMAN] That's a trick someone... [LAUGHS]

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[TURRELL] So what about color? How is it formed?

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Basically, we feel, when we look at the sky, that we receive this blue, this color.

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This light, lighting the space in relationship to the sky outside,

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would definitely intensify, greatly, the blue.

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There are a number of painters who've really intensified color by the surround or the context of a shape or area.

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You could be not only looking at a painting or a work of art, but you're actually looking at yourself perceiving.

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This world that we have around us is not a world that we receive, but more a world that we create and make.

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Now, this seems a bit of a surprise because we really feel--and we are very much attached to the fact--

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that we are receiving these perceptions as opposed to creating them.

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But we do create the reality in which we live.