Well, hello.
I feel really at home here, you know,
because I've been to Guantanamo many times, 34 times.
So being in a very small enclosed area,
and the bright interrogation lights, not allowed food or water,
I mean, it's just like home to me.
(Laughter)
I wanted to start out by being rude to the TEDx people, obviously,
but what I really wanted to begin with
was a little tribute to my aunt who just died very recently.
My auntie Jean, she was 94, she had a very good innings.
But one of the things about auntie Jean she chose the wrong time to be born.
She was born in 1920.
She, as the daughter in the family, got very few opportunities.
She was a very brilliant, very sharp woman,
but it was my dad, her younger brother, who got all the benefits;
went to go to Cambridge and got a first there; all that good stuff.
My aunt didn't get that, and I used to tease her that if she had,
- she was quite a Tory -
she probably would have run the country and wielded her handbag
more effectively than Margaret Thatcher, which I found quite terrifying.
My father, as I say, was the one who had the opportunities,
but he, unfortunately, was blighted all his life with bipolar disorder.
So even though he was very intelligent himself, and had all those opportunities,
it was very difficult for him to do things.
I wanted to tell you a couple stories that were occurring to me recently.
One was when I was seven years old and this is just to illustrate,
I love my dad dearly, it's not to denigrate him in anyway.
When I was seven, he called me into the library, and he said,
"Clive, your generation has just kept juvenile for too long, immature.
Frankly, you're seven now, and it's time for you to go and live by yourself."
(Laughter)
"Here is £200, now buzz off."
Now, you know, it was confusing.
My pocket money at the time was a shilling a week,
and I don't think I calculated it then,
but I calculated it last night coming over here;
80 years of my pocket money, he had just given me!
Nonetheless, I didn't feel I was quite ready to go out and about,
and fortunately, as ever, my mother came in and solved the problem
by taking the money away and sending me to bed.
These sorts of things would happen rather regularly with my dad.
There was another story I was remembering, a little later on in life,
when I was trying a death penalty case in southern Mississippi.
My dad had come over to help, and as ever with dad,
he decided I was total rubbish,
and so he managed to hitchhike his way up to Jackson, Mississippi,
he managed to get in to the Governor's mansion,
where he told the Governor that he felt
that not only should my client be executed
but they'd be doing the world a favor if they'd execute me at the same time.
(Laughter)
There were many people in the authorities of Mississippi
who agreed with him on that,
but it was slightly confusing for me at the time.
What really helped me, ultimately,
actually it ended up doing death penalty work
was a comprehension of my dad, and that some of these things he would do,
were not necessarily the product of a rational mind.
But sadly, a lot of people would see some of the things my dad would do,
and hate him for it, and would feel he was a fraud or something worse.
Indeed, he did do some extraordinarily bizarre things over the years.
One of those actually was my aunt.
My aunt Jean was an immensely compassionate woman,
but she simply couldn't understand, or accept, perhaps, is a better word,
that her blue-eyed younger brother was mentally ill.
So she would always feel that what he was doing was bad,
rather than the product of his mental illness.
Which is very sad, because I feel that perhaps if my dad
had been recognised earlier, he would have got help.
He was only ever sectioned once, and he only ever got treatment once.
That sort of ruined his life.
Which brings me, naturally, to Ricky Langley.
Ricky Langley is a guy I represented in Louisiana.
And Ricky Langley is a pedophile, who's molested a lot of children,
and who ended up killing a six year old child called Jeremy Guillory.
I ended up taking on his case way back in 1993, for the first time.
His story goes back, far back, to before he was born even.
I want to tell you about his story
because it leads to a woman called Lorelei Guillory,
who was the mother of the child who got killed,
who is one of my great heroes in life.
Before Ricky was born, his mum and dad were driving along on this road,
with their two kids in the back.
Alcide was driving, and he was drunk
and he drove off the road, and hit a telegraph pole.
One of the kids in the back
was this tousle-haired little child called Oscar-Lee; blonde hair, six years old.
Lovely little kid, who was the apple of his parent's eyes.
He was killed instantly,
and his sister, a little younger than him was decapitated and killed.
Dreadful, dreadful stuff.
And Betsy, the mother,
was thrown through the front windscreen, and very badly injured herself.
She ended up in Charity Hospital for most of the next two years.
She was in a body cast from her neck to her ankles.
At the trial, I had an Australian volunteer of ours model this,
which should warn you never to come and work as a volunteer
for a reprieve, I dare say.
But when she was in this body cast, she became pregnant.
This, of course, had something to do with Alcide,
her husband's rather regressive views about the roles of husbands and wives.
No one believed she was pregnant, because how could she be?
Although that was another thing we demonstrated at the trial,
to the amusement of the judge at least, who was a bit of a pervert.
(Laughter)
Lovely guy, actually.
So she was pregnant, but for five months, no one believed her.
And during those five months, Ricky who was that fetus,
was subjected to his own private Hiroshima of x-rays
and all of these drugs that she was taking
that should never be given to a pregnant woman,
and one of the drugs, bizarrely, has been linked with pedophilia.
If you expose a fetus to that drug,
then that individual is much more likely to become a pedophile later,
and it's so bizarre, we didn't present that to the jury
because I think they would have thought we made it up, but it's true.
Anyway, five months in, the doctors finally accepted she was pregnant,
they cut her body cast off, there was a big old whoosh.
They said to her, "You've got to have an abortion.
There's no two ways about it,
after all we've done to you and that fetus."
But Alcide, the husband, said, "No, , that's not going to happen.
I'm Catholic, we don't do abortions."
So Betsy carried Ricky to term.
When he was born, it was obvious he wasn't the blonde, blue-eyed,
little Oscar-Lee, the apple of their eye.
He was strange looking, that's I suppose, the best one can say about it.
I am sure they said that about me as a child and still do.
But Ricky had obviously suffered immensely in there,
and it was pretty obvious fairly soon that there was something going on.
He wasn't Oscar-Lee,
his dad would tease him horribly about him not being Oscar-Lee.
He was molested himself.
He then, at age eight, starts sleeping on gravestones in the local cemetery.
At ten, he puts a notice on his school notice-board saying,
"I am not Ricky Langley, I am Oscar-Lee,"
who you will recall, was the dead brother.
Ricky was already developing this psychosis
that he was his dead brother, Oscar-Lee,
or Oscar-Lee was his alter-ego, who was his tormentor,
who made him do things that he didn't want to do.
Ricky started molesting other children, no question about it.
He had no understanding at that time what was going on.
He ultimately was banged up in the prison system of Georgia
for molesting a child, actually the child of his cousin.
This was the first time he ever got counseling,
and the counselors told him,
"You're a pedophile, you're mentally ill, we can't treat it, it's untreatable.
You are going to carry on offending."
And indeed, under that theory, which is a slightly bizarre one,
about a year after we set you free from prison,
you will inevitably molest another child."
Now Ricky, like my father, Ricky was a very intelligent guy.
There is often this stereotype that if you're really bright,
you can't suffer from mental disorders, which are obviously silly.
And Ricky, when he was told this, said, "Look, you've convinced me."
And he wrote a letter to the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles
saying, "Look, don't let me go then, for goodness sake.
Put me in a mental hospital where I belong."
But bureaucracy being what bureaucracy often is,
they ignored him, they let him go.
Sure enough, about a year later, he ends up killing a small child,
Jeremy Guillory, six years old, who was the child of Lorelei Guillory,
the woman I mentioned before.
You know, when I first talked to him, and he told me about it, he said,
"I thought it was Oscar-Lee, my tormentor, I was trying to get rid of him!"
Obviously, one of the great challenges of dealing with a case like this
is you're trying to tell to arguably rational people,
something that is irrational; it's incredibly hard to understand.
But one of the little insights we had into Ricky
was there was a picture of Oscar-Lee
and a picture of Jeremy Guillory,
and Oscar-Lee's own aunt couldn't tell them apart.
Perhaps that was a little insight into what Ricky was feeling or seeing.
But no question he killed this poor child.
He was sentenced to death, first time round.
The jurors accepted he was mentally ill.
They said, "Yeah, but he's dangerous, we better kill him."
We got him a new trial,
and before the new trial, I got to know Ricky a lot better,
and I got to know Lorelei, the mother of the small child who had been killed.
Lorelei was a fascinating, fascinating character.
She was a recovering alcoholic, very little education,
but full of the most immense compassion.
What she wanted most of all, as the mother of a victim.
was to understand "Why?"; to understand why this had happened.
I was talking to her and I was saying,
"Look, if you really want to understand, you are very welcome to talk to Ricky.
I know that would be difficult, but Ricky would love to talk to you;
to apologise because he knows he took the life of your child,
but to explain a little bit about how mentally ill he is.
I think if you do that, it won't totally explain everything,
because it was an irrational act, but it will help you."
And it was immense tribute, I think, to Lorelei, that she said,
"Yeah, I'm going to do that."
So she goes down to the jail, all by herself, to see Ricky.
I'd said, "Look, talk to Ricky,
if you don't like what he says,
you can testify against him, I don't mind, this is just for you."
So she goes in there, she had always called him "Langley".
Obviously, she had it in for him at the beginning.
She sat down, Ricky explained all of his life history and he apologized to her.
At the very end of three hours
talking to the person who had murdered her six-year old,
she says to him, first time calling him "Ricky",
she says, "Ricky, I'm going to fight for you!"
And she leaves that jail, she goes down to the DA's office,
I'm not going to mention who it was, I really didn't like the guy,
and goes into his office, and explains all of this.
Says, "I think Ricky Langley was mentally ill,
and I don't want this death penalty nonsense.
It's just going to put me through the pain again, dreadful stuff,
not going to solve anything."
And the DA says to her, she says,
"Miss Guillory, you're a very strange criminal defendant, I mean, victim."
And then, he proceeded to seek the death penalty again, anyhow.
Indeed, the authorities tried to take away her other child,
because she was an unfit mother, because she took a strange approach
to the person who had killed her first child.
Anyway, we get to the trial, and one of the lovely things
- I love about doing capital trials in America
is you get to ask people all sorts of questions -
I would love to do it to you,
"You're under oath, you have to answer whatever I ask you."
It's great fun.
(Laughter)
Great fun for me, not for you, it really is.
So I was picking this jury, and they were lovely people.
We got 12 people who've had close family relatives
who had serious mental disorders,
who really understood a lot of it.
And they laughed at the pathetic weak jokes I would tell,
so I was confident that the outcome was going to be okay at this trial,
because they really didn't like the prosecutor.
So I talked to Lorelei;
and in a death penalty case in America, there are two trials.
The first is whether you are guilty of capital murder or not,
and only if you are guilty of capital murder
do you get to the second, which is life or death;
do you get the life sentence or the death penalty.
I said to Lorelei, "Look, these people are nice people,
they are not going to convict him or capital murder,
You won't get the chance you wanted which was to testify at the penalty phase,
to say that the death penalty would have a dreadful impact on you.
You are just not going to get that chance.
I just need to tell you that, because I'm afraid that's what is going to happen.
I'm very happy, but I'm sorry for you."
So she went away that night, very religious, and she prayed,
and she came back the next morning, and she said,
"The logic of my position, is..."
She said it in a much more Southern Louisiana accent,
"The logic of my position is that he's mentally ill,
he shouldn't be in prison; he should be in a mental hospital.
I want to testify that he should be found 'not guilty by reason of insanity'
because he was insane at the time he killed my child."
I said, "Alright."
She said, "One thing I really need though, is a guarantee;
that he'll never be released from the mental hospital
to harm another child."
I said, "That's easy."
Ricky only wants that.
He wanted to be a guinea pig
because he knew what he was, in a way, what he'd been made,
One of the things about this, not withstanding,
what the "News of The World" used to always do,
is there's no one who hates Ricky Langley more than Ricky Langley.
And he wanted to be a guinea-pig so he could be studied,
so that other people wouldn't suffer what he had suffered,
and that other children wouldn't suffer what he had caused.
So, he signed off on whatever he had to sign off on,
and I said to Lorelei, "What do you want me to ask you as a witness?"
And she says, "Just ask me one question."
So I did.
I'm sorry, this stuff always makes me a bit chokey,
when I talk about this with Lorelei because it was a remarkable human moment.
She's on the witness stand, and I ask her one question,
"Miss Guillory, do you have an opinion as to whether that man over there
who killed your six-year old child was mentally ill at the time he did it?"
And she turns to the jurors, and she says, "Well yes, as a matter of fact, I do.
I think that Ricky Langley has been crying out for help since the day he was born.
For whatever reason, his family, society, the legal system;
just won't listen to him.
As I sit on this witness chair, I can hear the death cries of my child, Jeremy.
But I can still hear that man crying out for help.
I think he was mentally ill at the time he killed my child."
Now, when you are doing a closing argument in a death penalty case,
- and I've done many -
it's tough; it's quite a responsibility.
It's not nearly as much fun as the earlier bit,
which is interrogating you lot.
But this was easy, right? I just talked to the jurors, I say,
"Listen to what the lady says, I can't put it any better than that."
And sure enough, they did acquit him of first-degree murder,
though we still are fighting both his' and Lorelai's battle for true justice.
The reason I tell this is two-fold.
One is, she's a victim.
One of the horrifying things about our society today
is the way the government,
the great teacher for good or for ill, tries to teach victims to hate.
Lorelei is one of my great heroes, because she tried to understand,
and it's so obviously the right thing to do.
But the other thing is about mental illness.
Ricky understands that he's mentally ill,
which is more than my poor dad ever really did.
But the great thing, ultimately,
is even though my aunt was compassionate, and brilliant, and whatever,
she could never understand my father's true defense,
which was that he was mentally ill.
But Lorelei Guillory could.
Lorelei Guillory could see not only that Ricky was mentally ill
but that we needed to understand him, and not just hate him.
That was the root, finally to understand people,
and perhaps, to get us to a place where we might be able to prevent
some of these things happening in the future.
That's the reason I want to tell that story,
because Lorelei Guillory is one of the great unsung heroes,
or heroines in the world,
and I wanted to take this time to tell you her story.
So thank you very much.
(Applause)