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Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.67,0:00:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, hello.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.38,0:00:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel really at home here, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.35,0:00:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I've been to Guantanamo\Nmany times, 34 times.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.41,0:00:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So being in a very small enclosed area,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.04,0:00:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the bright interrogation lights,\Nnot allowed food or water,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.09,0:00:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's just like home to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.82,0:00:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.41,0:00:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to start out by being rude\Nto the TEDx people, obviously,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.70,0:00:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what I really wanted to begin with
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.01,0:00:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a little tribute to my aunt\Nwho just died very recently.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.47,0:00:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My auntie Jean, she was 94,\Nshe had a very good innings.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.96,0:00:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But one of the things about auntie Jean\Nshe chose the wrong time to be born.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.54,0:00:51.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was born in 1920.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.77,0:00:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She, as the daughter in the family,\Ngot very few opportunities.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.30,0:00:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was a very brilliant,\Nvery sharp woman,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.60,0:01:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was my dad, her younger brother,\Nwho got all the benefits;
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.39,0:01:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,went to go to Cambridge and got\Na first there; all that good stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.27,0:01:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My aunt didn't get that, and I used\Nto tease her that if she had,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.67,0:01:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- she was quite a Tory -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.35,0:01:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she probably would have run\Nthe country and wielded her handbag
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.02,0:01:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more effectively than Margaret Thatcher,\Nwhich I found quite terrifying.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.93,0:01:21.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My father, as I say, was the one\Nwho had the opportunities,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.82,0:01:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he, unfortunately, was blighted\Nall his life with bipolar disorder.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.69,0:01:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So even though he was very intelligent\Nhimself, and had all those opportunities,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.63,0:01:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was very difficult\Nfor him to do things.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.29,0:01:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to tell you a couple stories\Nthat were occurring to me recently.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.46,0:01:43.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One was when I was seven years old\Nand this is just to illustrate,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.61,0:01:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love my dad dearly,\Nit's not to denigrate him in anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.51,0:01:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was seven, he called me\Ninto the library, and he said,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.80,0:01:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Clive, your generation has just kept\Njuvenile for too long, immature.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.57,0:01:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frankly, you're seven now, and it's time\Nfor you to go and live by yourself."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.28,0:02:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.09,0:02:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Here is £200, now buzz off."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.93,0:02:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, you know, it was confusing.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.57,0:02:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My pocket money at the time\Nwas a shilling a week,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.99,0:02:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't think I calculated it then,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.94,0:02:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I calculated it last night\Ncoming over here;
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.27,0:02:15.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,80 years of my pocket\Nmoney, he had just given me!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.37,0:02:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nonetheless, I didn't feel\NI was quite ready to go out and about,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.54,0:02:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fortunately, as ever,\Nmy mother came in and solved the problem
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.87,0:02:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by taking the money away\Nand sending me to bed.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.81,0:02:28.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These sorts of things would happen\Nrather regularly with my dad.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.29,0:02:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was another story I was remembering,\Na little later on in life,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.66,0:02:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was trying a death penalty case\Nin southern Mississippi.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.08,0:02:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My dad had come over to help,\Nand as ever with dad,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.98,0:02:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he decided I was total rubbish,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.66,0:02:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so he managed to hitchhike his way\Nup to Jackson, Mississippi,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.78,0:02:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he managed to get in\Nto the Governor's mansion,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.03,0:02:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where he told the Governor that he felt
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.94,0:02:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that not only should\Nmy client be executed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.98,0:02:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they'd be doing the world a favor\Nif they'd execute me at the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.56,0:02:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.45,0:03:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were many people\Nin the authorities of Mississippi
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.14,0:03:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who agreed with him on that,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.52,0:03:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was slightly confusing\Nfor me at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.90,0:03:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What really helped me, ultimately,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.94,0:03:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually it ended up\Ndoing death penalty work
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.60,0:03:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a comprehension of my dad,\Nand that some of these things he would do,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.94,0:03:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were not necessarily\Nthe product of a rational mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.82,0:03:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But sadly, a lot of people would see\Nsome of the things my dad would do,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.21,0:03:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hate him for it, and would feel\Nhe was a fraud or something worse.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.21,0:03:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indeed, he did do some extraordinarily\Nbizarre things over the years.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.47,0:03:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of those actually was my aunt.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.13,0:03:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My aunt Jean was an immensely\Ncompassionate woman,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.83,0:03:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she simply couldn't understand,\Nor accept, perhaps, is a better word,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.83,0:03:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that her blue-eyed younger brother\Nwas mentally ill.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.09,0:03:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So she would always feel\Nthat what he was doing was bad,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.11,0:03:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than the product\Nof his mental illness.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.67,0:03:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is very sad, because I feel\Nthat perhaps if my dad
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.83,0:03:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had been recognised earlier,\Nhe would have got help.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.32,0:04:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was only ever sectioned once,\Nand he only ever got treatment once.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.85,0:04:02.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That sort of ruined his life.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.65,0:04:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which brings me,\Nnaturally, to Ricky Langley.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.06,0:04:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ricky Langley is a guy\NI represented in Louisiana.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.93,0:04:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Ricky Langley is a pedophile,\Nwho's molested a lot of children,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.99,0:04:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who ended up killing a six year old\Nchild called Jeremy Guillory.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.10,0:04:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ended up taking on his case\Nway back in 1993, for the first time.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.59,0:04:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His story goes back, far back,\Nto before he was born even.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.92,0:04:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to tell you about his story
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.61,0:04:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it leads to a woman\Ncalled Lorelei Guillory,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.40,0:04:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was the mother\Nof the child who got killed,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.20,0:04:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is one of my great heroes in life.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.60,0:04:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before Ricky was born, his mum and dad\Nwere driving along on this road,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.33,0:04:48.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with their two kids in the back.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.93,0:04:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alcide was driving, and he was drunk
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.70,0:04:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he drove off the road,\Nand hit a telegraph pole.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.14,0:04:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the kids in the back
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.57,0:04:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was this tousle-haired little child called\NOscar-Lee; blonde hair, six years old.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.73,0:05:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lovely little kid, who was the apple\Nof his parent's eyes.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.84,0:05:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was killed instantly,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.72,0:05:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his sister, a little younger than him\Nwas decapitated and killed.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.10,0:05:10.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dreadful, dreadful stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.21,0:05:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Betsy, the mother,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.32,0:05:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was thrown through the front windscreen,\Nand very badly injured herself.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.17,0:05:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She ended up in Charity Hospital\Nfor most of the next two years.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.95,0:05:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was in a body cast\Nfrom her neck to her ankles.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.01,0:05:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the trial, I had an Australian\Nvolunteer of ours model this,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.75,0:05:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which should warn you never\Nto come and work as a volunteer
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.67,0:05:31.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a reprieve, I dare say.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.95,0:05:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when she was in this body cast,\Nshe became pregnant.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.07,0:05:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This, of course, had something\Nto do with Alcide,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.91,0:05:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her husband's rather regressive views\Nabout the roles of husbands and wives.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.00,0:05:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one believed she was pregnant,\Nbecause how could she be?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.87,0:05:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although that was another thing\Nwe demonstrated at the trial,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.73,0:05:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the amusement of the judge at least,\Nwho was a bit of a pervert.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.87,0:05:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.78,0:05:57.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lovely guy, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.49,0:06:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So she was pregnant,\Nbut for five months, no one believed her.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.50,0:06:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And during those five months,\NRicky who was that fetus,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.72,0:06:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was subjected to his own private\NHiroshima of x-rays
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.11,0:06:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of these drugs that she was taking
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.22,0:06:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that should never be given\Nto a pregnant woman,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.76,0:06:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the drugs, bizarrely,\Nhas been linked with pedophilia.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.71,0:06:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you expose a fetus to that drug,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.20,0:06:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that individual is much more likely\Nto become a pedophile later,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.42,0:06:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's so bizarre,\Nwe didn't present that to the jury
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.07,0:06:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think they would have thought\Nwe made it up, but it's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.42,0:06:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, five months in, the doctors\Nfinally accepted she was pregnant,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.50,0:06:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they cut her body cast off,\Nthere was a big old whoosh.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.17,0:06:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said to her,\N"You've got to have an abortion.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.56,0:06:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no two ways about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.06,0:06:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after all we've done\Nto you and that fetus."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.11,0:06:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Alcide, the husband, said,\N"No, , that's not going to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.35,0:06:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Catholic, we don't do abortions."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.95,0:06:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Betsy carried Ricky to term.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.03,0:06:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When he was born, it was obvious\Nhe wasn't the blonde, blue-eyed,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.22,0:07:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little Oscar-Lee, the apple of their eye.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.23,0:07:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was strange looking, that's I suppose,\Nthe best one can say about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.22,0:07:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am sure they said that\Nabout me as a child and still do.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.83,0:07:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Ricky had obviously\Nsuffered immensely in there,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.38,0:07:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was pretty obvious fairly soon\Nthat there was something going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.72,0:07:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wasn't Oscar-Lee,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.12,0:07:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his dad would tease him horribly\Nabout him not being Oscar-Lee.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.33,0:07:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was molested himself.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.70,0:07:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then, at age eight, starts sleeping\Non gravestones in the local cemetery.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.49,0:07:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At ten, he puts a notice\Non his school notice-board saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.52,0:07:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I am not Ricky Langley, I am Oscar-Lee,"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.28,0:07:38.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who you will recall, was the dead brother.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.86,0:07:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ricky was already\Ndeveloping this psychosis
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.72,0:07:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he was his dead brother, Oscar-Lee,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.31,0:07:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Oscar-Lee was his alter-ego,\Nwho was his tormentor,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.02,0:07:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who made him do things\Nthat he didn't want to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.83,0:07:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ricky started molesting other children,\Nno question about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.98,0:07:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had no understanding\Nat that time what was going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.65,0:08:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He ultimately was banged up\Nin the prison system of Georgia
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.92,0:08:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for molesting a child,\Nactually the child of his cousin.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.88,0:08:10.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was the first time\Nhe ever got counseling,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.14,0:08:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the counselors told him,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.50,0:08:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You're a pedophile, you're mentally ill,\Nwe can't treat it, it's untreatable.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.78,0:08:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are going to carry on offending."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.55,0:08:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And indeed, under that theory,\Nwhich is a slightly bizarre one,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.33,0:08:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a year after\Nwe set you free from prison,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.94,0:08:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will inevitably molest another child."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.04,0:08:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now Ricky, like my father,\NRicky was a very intelligent guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.20,0:08:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is often this stereotype\Nthat if you're really bright,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.84,0:08:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't suffer from mental disorders,\Nwhich are obviously silly.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.72,0:08:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Ricky, when he was told this, said,\N"Look, you've convinced me."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.96,0:08:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he wrote a letter to\Nthe Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.36,0:08:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying, "Look, don't let me go then,\Nfor goodness sake.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.09,0:08:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Put me in a mental hospital\Nwhere I belong."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.78,0:08:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But bureaucracy being\Nwhat bureaucracy often is,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.94,0:08:55.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they ignored him, they let him go.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.03,0:08:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure enough, about a year later,\Nhe ends up killing a small child,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.94,0:09:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jeremy Guillory, six years old,\Nwho was the child of Lorelei Guillory,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.86,0:09:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the woman I mentioned before.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.96,0:09:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, when I first talked to him,\Nand he told me about it, he said,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.77,0:09:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I thought it was Oscar-Lee, my tormentor,\NI was trying to get rid of him!"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.18,0:09:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, one of the great challenges\Nof dealing with a case like this
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.53,0:09:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is you're trying to tell\Nto arguably rational people,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.63,0:09:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that is irrational;\Nit's incredibly hard to understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.89,0:09:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But one of the little insights\Nwe had into Ricky
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.71,0:09:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was there was a picture of Oscar-Lee
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.46,0:09:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a picture of Jeremy Guillory,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.91,0:09:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Oscar-Lee's own aunt\Ncouldn't tell them apart.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.38,0:09:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps that was a little insight\Ninto what Ricky was feeling or seeing.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.47,0:09:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But no question he killed this poor child.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.90,0:09:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was sentenced to death,\Nfirst time round.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.40,0:09:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The jurors accepted he was mentally ill.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.32,0:09:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said, "Yeah, but he's dangerous,\Nwe better kill him."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.07,0:09:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got him a new trial,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.28,0:09:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and before the new trial,\NI got to know Ricky a lot better,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.16,0:09:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I got to know Lorelei, the mother\Nof the small child who had been killed.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.06,0:10:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lorelei was a fascinating,\Nfascinating character.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.02,0:10:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was a recovering alcoholic,\Nvery little education,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.19,0:10:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but full of the most immense compassion.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.28,0:10:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What she wanted most of all,\Nas the mother of a victim.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.45,0:10:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was to understand "Why?";\Nto understand why this had happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.58,0:10:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was talking to her and I was saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.46,0:10:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Look, if you really want to understand,\Nyou are very welcome to talk to Ricky.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.33,0:10:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that would be difficult,\Nbut Ricky would love to talk to you;
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.58,0:10:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to apologise because he knows\Nhe took the life of your child,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.50,0:10:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to explain a little bit\Nabout how mentally ill he is.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.85,0:10:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think if you do that,\Nit won't totally explain everything,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.20,0:10:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was an irrational act,\Nbut it will help you."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.37,0:10:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was immense tribute,\NI think, to Lorelei, that she said,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.38,0:10:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah, I'm going to do that."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.80,0:10:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So she goes down to the jail,\Nall by herself, to see Ricky.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.87,0:10:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd said, "Look, talk to Ricky,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.36,0:10:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you don't like what he says,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.87,0:10:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can testify against him,\NI don't mind, this is just for you."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.96,0:10:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So she goes in there,\Nshe had always called him "Langley".
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.54,0:11:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, she had it in\Nfor him at the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.46,0:11:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She sat down, Ricky explained all of his\Nlife history and he apologized to her.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.27,0:11:06.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the very end of three hours
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.87,0:11:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking to the person\Nwho had murdered her six-year old,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.28,0:11:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she says to him,\Nfirst time calling him "Ricky",
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.84,0:11:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she says, "Ricky,\NI'm going to fight for you!"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.79,0:11:18.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she leaves that jail,\Nshe goes down to the DA's office,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.59,0:11:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not going to mention who it was,\NI really didn't like the guy,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.96,0:11:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and goes into his office,\Nand explains all of this.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.43,0:11:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Says, "I think Ricky Langley\Nwas mentally ill,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.65,0:11:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't want\Nthis death penalty nonsense.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.06,0:11:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just going to put me through\Nthe pain again, dreadful stuff,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.11,0:11:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not going to solve anything."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.66,0:11:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the DA says to her, she says,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.91,0:11:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Miss Guillory, you're a very strange\Ncriminal defendant, I mean, victim."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.47,0:11:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, he proceeded to seek\Nthe death penalty again, anyhow.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.40,0:11:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indeed, the authorities tried to take\Naway her other child,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.06,0:11:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because she was an unfit mother,\Nbecause she took a strange approach
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.27,0:11:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the person\Nwho had killed her first child.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.10,0:12:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, we get to the trial,\Nand one of the lovely things
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.83,0:12:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I love about doing\Ncapital trials in America
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.02,0:12:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is you get to ask people\Nall sorts of questions -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.37,0:12:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would love to do it to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.77,0:12:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You're under oath, you have to answer\Nwhatever I ask you."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.08,0:12:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's great fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.08,0:12:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.84,0:12:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great fun for me,\Nnot for you, it really is.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.96,0:12:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was picking this jury,\Nand they were lovely people.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.97,0:12:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got 12 people\Nwho've had close family relatives
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.42,0:12:25.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who had serious mental disorders,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.23,0:12:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who really understood a lot of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.97,0:12:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they laughed\Nat the pathetic weak jokes I would tell,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.55,0:12:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I was confident that the outcome\Nwas going to be okay at this trial,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.85,0:12:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they really\Ndidn't like the prosecutor.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.24,0:12:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I talked to Lorelei;
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.70,0:12:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in a death penalty case\Nin America, there are two trials.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.65,0:12:45.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is whether you are guilty\Nof capital murder or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.62,0:12:47.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only if you are guilty\Nof capital murder
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.71,0:12:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you get to the second,\Nwhich is life or death;
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.06,0:12:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you get the life sentence\Nor the death penalty.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.54,0:12:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said to Lorelei, "Look,\Nthese people are nice people,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.13,0:12:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not going to convict him\Nor capital murder,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.79,0:13:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You won't get the chance you wanted\Nwhich was to testify at the penalty phase,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.33,0:13:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say that the death penalty\Nwould have a dreadful impact on you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.03,0:13:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are just not going to get that chance.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.14,0:13:12.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just need to tell you that, because\NI'm afraid that's what is going to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.82,0:13:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm very happy, but I'm sorry for you."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.45,0:13:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So she went away that night,\Nvery religious, and she prayed,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.86,0:13:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she came back\Nthe next morning, and she said,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.15,0:13:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The logic of my position, is..."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.88,0:13:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She said it in a much more\NSouthern Louisiana accent,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.88,0:13:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The logic of my position\Nis that he's mentally ill,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.53,0:13:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he shouldn't be in prison;\Nhe should be in a mental hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.08,0:13:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to testify that he should be found\N'not guilty by reason of insanity'
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.83,0:13:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he was insane\Nat the time he killed my child."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.44,0:13:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Alright."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.78,0:13:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She said, "One thing I really need\Nthough, is a guarantee;
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.88,0:13:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he'll never be released\Nfrom the mental hospital
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.54,0:13:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to harm another child."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.26,0:13:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "That's easy."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.84,0:13:55.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ricky only wants that.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.81,0:13:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wanted to be a guinea pig
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.22,0:14:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he knew what he was,\Nin a way, what he'd been made,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.42,0:14:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things about this,\Nnot withstanding,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.66,0:14:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the "News of The World"\Nused to always do,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.14,0:14:11.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is there's no one who hates Ricky Langley\Nmore than Ricky Langley.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.74,0:14:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he wanted to be a guinea-pig\Nso he could be studied,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.48,0:14:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that other people wouldn't suffer\Nwhat he had suffered,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.22,0:14:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that other children\Nwouldn't suffer what he had caused.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.42,0:14:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, he signed off on whatever\Nhe had to sign off on,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.92,0:14:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said to Lorelei, "What do you want\Nme to ask you as a witness?"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.67,0:14:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she says, "Just ask me one question."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.66,0:14:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I did.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.21,0:14:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, this stuff always\Nmakes me a bit chokey,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.14,0:14:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I talk about this with Lorelei\Nbecause it was a remarkable human moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.38,0:14:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's on the witness stand,\Nand I ask her one question,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.98,0:14:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Miss Guillory, do you have an opinion\Nas to whether that man over there
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.93,0:14:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who killed your six-year old child\Nwas mentally ill at the time he did it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.21,0:14:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she turns to the jurors, and she says,\N"Well yes, as a matter of fact, I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.79,0:14:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that Ricky Langley has been crying\Nout for help since the day he was born.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.35,0:15:03.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For whatever reason, his family,\Nsociety, the legal system;
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.85,0:15:06.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just won't listen to him.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.08,0:15:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I sit on this witness chair, I can hear\Nthe death cries of my child, Jeremy.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.31,0:15:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I can still hear that man\Ncrying out for help.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.84,0:15:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think he was mentally ill\Nat the time he killed my child."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.82,0:15:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, when you are doing a closing\Nargument in a death penalty case,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.12,0:15:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- and I've done many -
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.56,0:15:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's tough; it's quite a responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.52,0:15:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not nearly as much fun\Nas the earlier bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.83,0:15:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is interrogating you lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.42,0:15:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this was easy, right?\NI just talked to the jurors, I say,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.32,0:15:35.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Listen to what the lady says,\NI can't put it any better than that."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.57,0:15:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sure enough, they did acquit him\Nof first-degree murder,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.44,0:15:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though we still are fighting both his'\Nand Lorelai's battle for true justice.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.56,0:15:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason I tell this is two-fold.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.33,0:15:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One is, she's a victim.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.99,0:15:51.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the horrifying things\Nabout our society today
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.74,0:15:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the way the government,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.35,0:15:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the great teacher for good or for ill,\Ntries to teach victims to hate.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.55,0:16:02.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lorelei is one of my great heroes,\Nbecause she tried to understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.55,0:16:05.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's so obviously\Nthe right thing to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.44,0:16:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the other thing\Nis about mental illness.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.94,0:16:12.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ricky understands that he's mentally ill,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.70,0:16:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is more than my poor dad\Never really did.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.80,0:16:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the great thing, ultimately,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.56,0:16:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is even though my aunt was compassionate,\Nand brilliant, and whatever,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.95,0:16:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she could never understand\Nmy father's true defense,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.69,0:16:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was that he was mentally ill.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.55,0:16:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Lorelei Guillory could.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.43,0:16:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lorelei Guillory could see\Nnot only that Ricky was mentally ill
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.98,0:16:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that we needed to understand\Nhim, and not just hate him.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.14,0:16:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the root, finally\Nto understand people,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.68,0:16:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and perhaps, to get us to a place\Nwhere we might be able to prevent
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.84,0:16:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of these things\Nhappening in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.77,0:16:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the reason\NI want to tell that story,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.06,0:16:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Lorelei Guillory is one\Nof the great unsung heroes,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.07,0:16:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or heroines in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.82,0:16:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanted to take this time\Nto tell you her story.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.33,0:16:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.71,0:17:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)