(From M1 Patients and Populations at University of Michigan Medical School. Lecture by Gerald Abrams, MD.) I think a good place to start is with this slide again, just to remind you that one of the defining traits of malignant neoplasms is the ability to invade more importantly even as a second defining characteristic is the ability to set up underlying distant and discontinuous secondary foci of growth. What this involves is cells breaking off, leaving, what we call, the primary cells getting into the moving currents or fluids that flow into the body, let's say into the blood or into the lymph lodging at a distance, in other words, here is the primary clump of cells, these cells float over there, they lodge and get out of the vessel they are in and they form a new nodule. That's the process of metastasis. That's what the process is called. The focus itself is called him a metastasis (or plural metastases). and the ability to metastasize by all odds is the most lethal aspect of cancer. And that's the the feature that most often makes a cancer incurable. Sometimes a cancer is incurable because of local invasion, you know, something wraps around the aorta or some other structure, you can't get at it, that could be lethal but it's usually metastasis. The sad fact is that if you exclude skin cancers, many of which are in a different category, if you exclude those about thirty to fifty percent of patients who present to their doctors with some signs and symptoms that turn out to be cancer, about thirty to fifty percent already have metastases. So it's something that really is the biggest roadblock to successful treatment. So again these defining characteristics are invasion and metastasis. Now these abilities, to talk first about invasion and metastasis together, are not just a matter of cell proliferation in other words, it's not the matter of fact that the cancers proliferating in the primary so much that the cells get squeezed out and they move. That's nonsense. Some primaries grow very large and then never leave the local area. These neoplasms acquire the cells in the neoplasm gradually acquire the ability to invade and to metastasize, and again these represent an accumulation of different kinds of mutations very likely giving the cells the the ability to do this. Now metastasis I would emphasize is a very complex cascade of events, it's not just whoops! but involves the cells first of all invading, getting through that extracellular matrix, breaking through basement membrane, getting into a vessel whether it's a blood vessel or a lymphatic, floating with the stream and surviving during that flotation, which is another nice trick, lodging somewhere, being able to extravasate, get out of that vessel where it lodged, and set up housekeeping and get all of the requirements for growing another nodule. this is sort of, its been likened to, a decathlon event. You have to win a lot of events to be a successful metastasis. and there are three primary roots, this one is the lesser but cells can metastasize via the bloodstream, via the lymph flow and sometimes directly. Now here for instance, just to illustrate this, here is a clump of cancer cells within a tiny vein within adipose tissue. This was actually in a breast that had been removed by mastectomy, this was, in other words, primary cancer of the breast. What had happened here a tongue of cells had broken through a venule wall somewhere upstream and here you see it caught in the act of floating with the blood. Now there's a certain predictability to where the metastasis will go. In this case, this is coming from the breast. Eventually these venules are going to go into veins which are going to flow into the superior vena cava. The cells aren't going to lodge anywhere along there because the vessels are getting bigger and bigger. And they go to the right side of the heart out the pulmonary artery. Pretty soon, these cells are going to encounter the capillaries in the lungs where they are going to lodge. Metastasis, a cell clump like this, if it's successful, may very well end up in the lungs. Now you haven't studied this in gross anatomy yet, you're just beginning gross, but I'll tell you that for instance the blood flow drainage, the venous drainage of the GI tract goes into what we call the portal vein, which is a big vein that goes into the liver. Now the cells, if these cells had broken out of a gastric cancer, and were in the veins draining the stomach, they would go into this portal vein and then the first capillary bed they hit is the liver. So you'd find metastases in the liver, you'd predict metastases in the liver. Or if you had a malignancy in the soft tissues of the leg, the cells would eventually get to the inferior vena cava, up to the heart, and into the lungs. So it turns out that the lungs and the liver constitute the two big filters in the body and they catch a lot of metastases. Now this is nowhere near being entirely predictable for the following reasons, the cancer cells don't necessarily lodge permanently in the lungs or the liver. they change their shape, they squiggle around, let's say coming from the GI tract, they may get through the liver into the inferior vena cava up to the heart and out anywhere in the body. So it turns out that really practically speaking, cancer cells once again in circulation are all over the place and it also turns out that there are secondary factors that determine where the metastases will occur For instance, we know that cancer cells get out systemically. We rarely see metastases in skeletal muscle. I have no idea why. But we rarely do. It turns out that certain cancers have a propensity to set up metastases in one set of tissues and certain cancers have a propensity to set up metastases in another set of tissues. It's as if they favor the "taste" of one tissue over another, and you'll learn these patterns, I'm not going to afflict you with them. They are to an extent predictable. So that's the situation with hematogenous metastases, liver, lung, many other places as well. It's a systemic process Here are cancer cells in a lymphatic. You probably know less about lymphatic channels than you do about blood channels but these are basically they start from small, thin walled vessels like this and and any particular organ almost all organs in the body have a rich lymphatic drainage. The lymph is drained into bigger bigger lymphatics. These enter what we call regional lymph nodes. which we'll study in detail, but these are basically like little filter beans and a clump of cells like that may well lodge in a regional lymph node. Now what denotes a regional lymph node? In the case of the bowel, the regional lymph nodes are in the mesentery. In the case of the breast, the regional lymph nodes are in the armpit, that's where the lymph is draining. In the case of the mouth and throat, the regional lymph nodes are here in the neck. And there's a certain predictability so that if you have a big cancer in the mouth, you're going to worry about the cervical lymph nodes or the or the breast you're going to worry about what's going on in the axilla. Cancer operations generally involve either excavation or sampling of the regional lymph nodes to see whether the cancer has spread from the primary there. Now this predictability again can break down because lymph nodes are not perfect filters, whatever you might think, these cells might lodge temporarily in a lymph node and some of their progeny maybe goes scooting out the other side in the efferent lymph which is going to go to other lymphatic channels and eventually dump into the superior vena cava and join the systemic circulation. So it turns out that cancer, we have to conceive of it is a potentially systemic disease, One comment here about metastasis is the possibility of direct metastasis. By that I mean the cells are not picked up in the blood or lymph, but if they enter a cavity, let's say the peritoneal cavity, and can drift or swim or float across the peritoneal cavity and lodge anywhere in the lining of the peritoneal cavity, it's a sort of direct metastasis. We see this one that comes to mind is the ovary. The ovary sit out in the pelvis, in the open so to speak, in the peritoneal cavity. Ovarian cancers notoriously will just seed cells into the peritoneum and they'll land anywhere in the peritoneum and set up these metastases. A variation on this that we don't often see is that the surgeon's knife may pick up some cancer cells and we'll find a recurrence in the incision or something of that sort. More or less a direct, iatrogenic (physician caused) metastasis. But again metastases represent a hop skip and jump, it's not direct invasion to get over here, it's a jump to get over there. A thing to point out is that the metastasis does not have the the characteristics of the organ that it lands in, it keeps the characteristics of the primary tumor. In other words, these metastasizing cells are the genetic progeny of the primary, so they're going to look like it. If the neoplasm neoplasm in the primary was making funny glands, the metastasis will probably make funny glands. It's a chip off the old block. That has some some interesting implications there which you'll get into in future years. But just think of it as as a process whereby a single primary can give rise to many metastases. They can be at a great distance, it can be four feet away from the primary and it can be very devastating and I will show you some examples of this. This is carcinomatosis which refers to a diffuse spread of cancer. This was the lining of the diaphragm, in other words if i took a piece of diaphragm, cut it out and you're looking at the under surface of the diaphragm lined by peritoneum, this was from a patient with ovarian cancer, and every one of these little plaques is a few million cancer cells growing as a direct metastasis. Now I'm going to give you a long shaggy dog story, here is a specimen of peritoneum, this is if I took a couple of pieces of body wall cut them out and you're looking at the peritoneal surface of the inside of those pieces and you can see studded with a couple a hundred little tiny black spots and here it's actually become kind of almost a confluent sheet of neoplasm. And you'd say yeah this looks like many little nodules, why do you suppose it's black like that? Any thoughts? Well, the cells are making melanin, this is a malignant melanoma which may have heard about. Now I'm getting ahead of your knowledge of histology, but there are no cells in the peritoneum that make melanin normally, so that means these are visitors from somewhere else, so clearly just by the sheer numbers and by the fact that it's melanoma we can say that these are metastases from somewhere else. I'll let the plot thicken a little bit, here was the liver from the same case. The normal liver is studded with probably thousands of metastases. This is grown together in a big, horrible mass which had broken through the hepatic capsule, and the normal liver does not contain melanin producing cells. That fact and the fact that that these are so multiple says that this liver is riddled with hematogenous metastases. Where do you think the primary was? Someone said it. Skin. That'd be your first bet. Because melanoma is a common story. But you're wrong. Eyeball. This is a bad picture, I screwed up and am not a photographer, but there you see the reflex from the flash, but just behind it there's a little lump there and that is the primary neoplasm. Now this tells another story. This patient presented with a visual disturbance and the ophthalmologist saw this and said this eyeball has to come out. And the eyeball was taken out. It is our job as pathologist to assess whether the excision has been complete. And so we sample the various coats of the eye thoroughly to see if the melanoma cells had penetrated through and if there any left in the in the orbit. And the answer to it is no. Looks clean. I hope the surgeon didn't say this but this sometimes gives rise to the statement: we got it all! Now this patient did fine after removal of the eyeball, did fine for several years. With absolutely no evidence of metastases. Then something happened, God knows what, the patient just went downhill within a period of weeks and died and had metastases all over the body. That brings up another interesting point which I'll just tease you with and that's the phenomenon we call dormancy. It was very clear from the story that we had taken out the primary and there was never any recurrence in the orbit and so that what that says is these melanoma cells have gotten into circulation that there were tiny occult metastases at the time the eyeball was taken out and they chose not to grow for several years and then something changed and they grew. And we see that sometimes. In other words earth eighteen months survival or two years survival or five year survival is a statistical thing, but sometimes it doesn't matter. So this illustrates the fact that that metastases can be very distant from the primary, they can be millions of metastases from one primary and also I threw in this whole phenomenon of dormancy which is a bit unusual but it happens. I'll show you some other mets. Here's a lung of a youngster. Every one of these is a nodule of neoplasm, the other lung looked just like this. This happens to have been a primary in the kidney which got to the lungs through the renal veins, the vena cava, and on up. The good news is that we can cure many of these, not at this stage, but we can prevent it from reaching this stage now. Here's an interesting one that we see very often, this is a vertebral column which I sliced in a band saw so you're looking at a couple of mirror images and this is a pretty normal vertebra up here, this is an intervertebral disc up here. These two lower vertebrae you see these whitish areas here and here. These were very dense bone, and interestingly what this represents is metastasis to the bone, it stimulates bone formation around the cancer cells, it's something we call an osteoblastic phenomenon or an osteoblastic metastasis. This would have shown up as a density on the x-ray under the microscope, there's a lot of bone there but cancer cells throughout and usually cancer cells reach the bone via the hematogenous route. Could be anything, I mean if someone showed me this, I'd say it's metastatic something or other from somewhere or other but you will learn for instance that breast very often breast cancer very often goes to bone. Prostate cancer notoriously goes to bone. I won't bore you with the list, but you're going to learn as you study oncology what the likelihood of I mean if this came from a middle-aged woman with with a breast nodule, I'd say breast cancer. If it came from an elderly guy with urinary tract obstruction, I'd say look at his prostate. So that is an osteoblastic kind of metastasis. Here is a different one, this one has another story associated with it. This was a 42-year old guy who came in with back pain and he was a manual laborer that did heavy labor and everyone thought at first well you know it's some orthopedic injury until they got an x-ray of his back and discovered that one of the vertebrae was essentially turned to mush. Here's a normal vertebra here and here. Here's a disc and this is a osteolytic metastasis, it turned out that there was a metastasis that completely destroyed the bone and it simply collapsed. Now this man presented because of his metastasis, that sometimes happens, it may not be the primary, it turned out he was a heavy smoker and had a small, inapparent bronchogenic primary, in other words, a lung cancer and it metastasize to his bone without even causing any ruckus. He probably had a little cough as all smokers do but presented because of the metastasis This was another smoker incidence, I remember this one very well, the patient came in convulsing, signs of increased intracranial pressure. They had to take him to the operating room very quickly to decompress the brain and save him from dying from the pressure and my colleague sent me a piece of this to look at it quickly with what we call a frozen section. You freeze a tissue and make a quick section of it It was easy to say this isn't cancer arising in the brain because it didn't look like that. It looked like a cancer that came from somewhere else. This is not rocket science, you'll learn how to do it in the spring. But it's because the metastasis resembles the primary that we looked at it and said, no, this isn't brain, this is metastasis to the brain. Poor fellow died shortly after operation, it turned out again he was riddled with metastases with a small lung primary. Lung primary very often goes to brain like that. Oh one last lovely image there is a liver riddled with metastases. And if someone showed me this liver and said where did this come from, I'd say gee, well look at the GI tract. It can be elsewhere, this was a lung cancer that had metastasized and gotten into the bloodstream, had gotten around and liked the taste of liver and produced metastases in the liver. There were metastases in many other places as well. Well, i guess that gives you a little bit of an example, a little bit of a feeling for the the destructiveness of this process of metastasis. Again benign neoplasm do not metastasize, only malignant ones do. Benign neoplasms do not invade, only malignant ones. With those concepts of neoplasia, hope you've all got benign and malignant invasion, metastasis sort of under your belts. I want to talk for a little bit on how neoplasms are put together microscopically. Again, don't worry about being able to do this kind of diagnosis yourself, just listen to the concepts. I want to review the concept of stroma, the concept of differentiation, and ideas of grading and staging. All right, let's let's begin with the business of stroma and angiogenesis. One of things that I should emphasize that I didn't really emphasize so far is that a given module of neoplasm take one of those metastases in the liver for instance A given nodule of neoplasm is just not a spherical collection of 100% cancer cells. This is a very important concept and it makes perfect sense because you could not possibly grow a lump literally that big and have a blood supply for the cells in the center, you follow me? In other words, if they were pure cancer cells the blood would be out here and the cells would be proliferating here. It doesn't work that way, the cancer needs a blood supply in order to grow. and it turns out that cancers are able and this is an very interesting phenomenon to induce the formation of what we call a stroma it's a fibrous particularly a vascular framework which supports the neoplasm. Now the stroma is not part of the malignant clone or the neoplastic clone. It comes from the connective tissue cells and the blood vessels cells around the neoplasm. The neoplastic cells and probably some of the inflammatory cells accompanying the neoplasm are able to induce the formation of this stroma. It's very much like the the induction of granulation tissue which you're very familiar with from last week. And what happens is this fibrous and vascular stroma grows into the nodule and enables it to proliferate. Now we talk about tumor angiogenesis, I mean the emphasis being on the blood vessels. There is abundant experimental evidence to show that and i won't go into the details, but if you create a situation where you got a bunch of neoplastic cells growing pure where they can't pick up a stroma, the module will never get bigger than a millimeter or two at the very most, probably less because because the oxygen and nutrients cannot diffuse in the solid mass any further. There are many experiments that show you grow neoplastic cells in these little balls and they stopped growing. and then if you do something to induce angiogenesis, BOOM, as soon as they pick up the vascular stroma they begin to grow so tumor angiogenesis is exceedingly important. You can read a I won't bother you with the details, but we are beginning to know a little bit about how this is mediated and what it looks like is this: again without too much detail this was a lump in a breast. This was a breast cancer. These dark clumps are the cancer cells and the pink in the background is the stroma. I'll emphasize in particular there is a capillary there, there is a capillary cut lengthwise there, there's another capillary here and so forth so that any given clump of cancer cells isn't very far from a capillary. That's the concept of the stroma and tumor angiogenesis and what it means. If we could stop angiogenesis we could stop tumor growth. It would be wonderful and some of these attempts have reached the clinical testing testing stage but nothing terribly dramatic yet. But it's certainly a handle. Here is kind of a loose stroma, not very fibrous but a lot of blood vessels. Sometimes you can be very dense. These are cancer cells in a very dense collagenous stroma. This kind of a lump has a consistency about like wood. We call that, it's an adjective you'll hear occasionally, it's a scirrhous s-c-i-r-r-h-o-u-s scirrhous mode of growth But whatever the variation, any lump of neoplasm has this vascular stroma that it has induced. Okay. Now go onto the next concept, that is related to the fact that since neoplastic cells are derived from a previously normal cell population, they're going to share many of the genetic traits and are going to have some new ones because of these mutations but they're going to share a tremendous genetic background with the parent issues so they're going to resemble the parent tissue to some variable extent. I mean sometimes very sharp resemblance, sometimes maybe not much of a resemblance. When the neoplastic tissue resembles the parental tissue, the normal tissue, through a high degree very close resemblance we speak about that neoplasm as being well-differentiated. Funny phrase, I didn't invent it. When we say well differentiated, it means looks just like mom and pop. On the other extreme, it may look nothing, I'll show you some examples, it may look nothing like the parental tissue, we say that is a poorly differentiated or undifferentiated tissue. There's another phrase, another word we sometimes use, that's anaplastic. Anaplastic refers to well, some people say de-differentiated, but undifferentiated just immature or undifferentiated tissue we refer to as anaplastic. There's a complete range of possibilities. Let me illustrate this for you in two extremes Here is normal colonic mucosa, and we're going to talk about this in detail on Wednesday. The mucosa has these kind of tubular glands, that's all I want you to get out of this, this is perfectly normal The next slide will be a cancer derived from this mucosa, looks like that. Now you say, that doesn't look anything like it, but in a sense it does. it's got glands, they're kind of funky and kinky and so forth but they're clearly glands. You'll also notice that the pink to blue ratio has changed, a lot of hyperchromatism a lot more nuclei here and so forth but basically a pathologist looking at this would take about a nanosecond as you will learn this spring and say oh! this is a glandular type of neoplasm. So we say this is at least moderately differentiated. Now I'll show you a step down, here's a normal bronchial mucosa, again don't worry about the details, but they're these tall columnar cells, some of them are secreting mucus others have cilia on them they're very well organized there The next line is a neoplasm derived from that cell population If someone showed me that I'd say that I don't know what that is, that is an undifferentiated, malignant neoplasm, or anaplastic neoplasm. And when you look at that, what it really says is it's a population of cells that's not maturing you can't tell what it's doing or where it came from, but it sure as the dickens looks malignant, look at those huge nuclei increased n-to-c ratio (nucleus to cytoplasm) they are actually pleomorphic, they are hyperchromatic, there are tumor giant cells there. Really, you'll learn to look at those things and loathe them, to say that is an ugly cell population so that is a highly anaplastic cell population. Now, it turns out well, let me give you a rule of thumb first. Benign neoplasms are always splendidly well differentiated, sometimes you get in the middle of a benign neoplasm, you can't tell it from the normal tissues, so a benign neoplasms are always well-differentiated. Almost perfectly differentiated. Malignant neoplasms show the whole range, there are very well differentiated but nonetheless malignant neoplasms and there are highly anaplastic like this. In some situations, in many situations, in malignant neoplasms, there is a a rough correlation, I emphasize rough, between the degree of differentiation and the behavior. This is not uniform for all neoplasms and remember well differentiated neoplasms/cancers can still kill. But for some situations, it's a useful label that we give it to send to our colleagues where we say we label it depending on the degree of differentiation we call this ''grading'', histological grading of neoplasm. The grading of neoplasms is really an assessment of the degree of differentiation of the neoplasm based on, i mean we look under the microscope, and we say oh! this looks just like such-and-such tissue that's well differentiated we sometimes take into account in these grading systems the number of mitoses that's a little less usual but it's based basically on the degree of differentiation and we talk about grade one, usually grade one means the best differentiated grade, grade two to grade three, some grading systems are all the way through grade four. You get the idea, I mean you will get the details, but when we label with the grade we say this is well differentiated and our colleagues at the other end say, well maybe that'll behave a little better than if Abrams said it was anaplastic. And Illl show you what this amounts to visually, again don't worry about being able to pick these out. Here is a carcinoma, cancer derived from a squamous epithelium, like the epidermis of the skin and a trained pathologist, which you will be next spring, would look at this kind of arrangement or all this pinky cytoplasm which represents keratin and in the cells and you'd say oh easy! That's a well-differentiated squamous cell carcinoma, this might be a grade one for instance This one is might not look like much to you, but a trained pathologist would look at this and say, well, this isn't terribly well differentiated but I can still see areas where I'll bet that's coming from the squamous epithelium, so that would be maybe a grade two or moderately differentiated Here again is a completely anaplastic cell population, someone showed me that and said where is this coming from and I'd say God only knows this is cancer. When i don't know what kind, this is really an anaplastic, probably grade three to grade four cancer and again there's a rough correlation between the degree of differentiation and how it might behave. behave Now grading, this is all microscopic, grading is different than staging. Please keep these two straight and read and understand, you're going to deal with these two concepts all your lives. Staging a neoplasm is very important because of the stage that we assigned to a neoplasm tells the observer how far along in its natural history that neoplasm is, in other words, how big is it at the primary, how much tissue has it penetrated, has it advanced to the point where it's spread elsewhere in the body. That is staging. It's based on first of all the size and the extent of the primary, the presence or absence of regional lymph node metastases, and the presence or absence of distant metastases. This is sometimes referred to as the TNM system, T for tumor, what's he doing with the primary, N for regional nodes, M for distant metastases. Every organ has a slightly different staging scheme, but they're all based on this and what it gives you, if it's a low stage or a favorable stage, that says this tumor hasn't advanced as far, maybe it's restricted just to the organ, the lymph nodes are negative, and there are no distant metastases, or it may be that it's penetrated quite a way through whatever organ it's started in, and there are already lymph node mets but we don't know of distant mets that's quite a different situation which may take a different therapeutic approach and finally if they're already distant mets, that's a very different thing. So staging gives you a very important handle on how far along the neoplasm is in the particular patient and what you should do therapeutically because of that. Now's not the time to dwell on how we tell benign from malignant and in our daily work you will again get an appreciation for this next spring, but suffice it to say that we pathologists can look at a tumor and make some pretty good predictions about how it may behave. In other words, if we look at a tumor and it looks very well-differentiated and completely circumscribed and so on and so forth, we say it's benign and what that says is if you get the whole thing out, patient is home free. If it's invasive anaplastic, it's a very different situation. I can tell you that that the cornerstone of clinical diagnosis in the field of oncology is getting something under glass, getting in the microscope. Very few instances where therapy will be undertaken without confirmation of the fact that under the microscope that it is such-and-such a cancer and such and such grade and so forth. so it means we need a piece of the tissue or at least some cells from the tissue to get under the microscope. What we rely on there as you might surmise from what you've seen is first of all the cytologic features, how anaplastic looking are the cells, how bad is the the pleomorphism, the hyperchromatism, etc, we rely on that we rely on the relation of the cells to one another, the loss of polarity in the system and so forth, and we rely on the relation of the tumor to its surroundings, the nice pushing margin vs boy! there goes invasion it's that sort of thing. Now I'll give you just a very quick example of that. Here is a you can imagine that colon I showed you in the cut, here is a mucosa, a submucosa, here is a muscular wall, here's the tumor arising in the mucosa. You see under the microscope here, you can see kind of glandular spaces there. Look what's happening, you've got glands penetrating clear down through the muscle there. That's a no brainer when we see something like that we say it's invading, it's malignant. That make sense? Sometimes we don't rely entirely on that, we rely on other things The cytology, just quickly, there are normal colonic epithelial cells I'm not going to describe it, just let the pictures speak for themselves. You'll catch up with this in the spring. Here are neoplastic epithelial cells. Again, normal...neoplastic. Here's a normal squamous epithelium, we're back to cervix, here's normal squamous here's dysplastic. you saw that before, this variation, this loss of polarity, the individual features of cytology here, that's a degree of dysplasia, it's a step towards cancer. This one we said was full thickness 'awfulness' with very anaplastic cells, I won't go into the details again. The concept is important, when dysplasia gets severe it's tantamount to cancer in situ, whether or not it's invaded, you see in the colonic example, we showed you invasion. Here we can say this epithelium is cancerous, dammit! Whether it invaded or not, we got to get it out or something bad is going to happen because virtually 100% of these severe dysplasias will invade. And that is carcinoma in situ. You'll hear a lot more about that Now clearly if you look at something like this you realize that that individual cells in that population bear the imprint of their malignancy, in other words, they have these anaplastic traits and you can say these are malignant cells. A guy named the george papanicolaou over half a century ago realized that that this was a great handle, that if you took cells that exfoliated, that is dropped off the surface, of a place where there might be a tumor that these exfoliated cells would bear some of these traits, these anaplastic traits, and all you'd have to do is look at these cells and say WOW this is so and so. This is, as I'm sure you're aware, the origin of the so-called Pap smear, and the beauty of the Pap smear is that you don't have to cut out a piece of tissue from the person. All you need is a sample of the usually it's mucus over the area, now this has been perfected, this has changed the whole face of how we deal with cervix cancer but you can imagine a cervix...no let's back up, looking like that and that are exfoliated, remember they come off here and getting a Pap smear involves getting a little bit of mucus scraped off the surface of the middle of some of these cells and from a normal epithelium like this you're going to see and i'll show you a Pap smear whereas from this or this, you're going to get a different kind of cell exfoliating out and without really having to get a big piece of tissue, you get a little bit a swatch of mucus you can tell what you're dealing with. I'll let you see this for yourselves. Well, here are just some of cellular features of anaplasia. Any look at a cell population like this with the huge nuclei there's a tripolar division figure there, those are the kinds of features we look for, all right here is a normal Pap smear. You look at that without any training at all and you say well those cells look like one another look like they're all out of the same cookie cutter, same N-C ratio the nuclei are not pleomorphic, they are not very regular etcetera etcetera etcetera Normal pap smear next case, now suppose that epithelium looked like the bad one I showed you, there you are, I'm showing you the extremes, instead of being very regular, these are extremely pleomorphic cells with increased N-C ratio hyperchromatism and so forth, the cytopathologist looking at this doesn't have to pause very often and say this has been exfoliated from a malignant cell population and the nice thing is that in between the cytopathologist can also look at this and say well this probably came from a cervix with moderate dysplasia or minimal dysplasia or something like that, so that not only can we catch cancers when they're perhaps too small to appreciate by ordinary examination we can actually catch dysplastic epithelium before it's become cancer or carcinoma in situ before it's invaded, these things are all invisible pretty much and they will show up on the cytological exam, so it's become a very powerful screening tool and it's changed the face of what we see in the way of cervix cancer, when i was a kid in pathology we used to see nothing but very advanced cervix cancer that were clear into the rectal wall and bladder wall and so forth, i haven't seen one of those thankfully in decades because of the application of the Pap smear as screening. That's something you'll hear a lot more about so going back to generalities, a definition of, or the diagnosis of neoplasm, requires getting something under the microscope. Now sometimes it's the whole tumor, patient presents with lump sum or you cut out the whole thing -- that's called an excisional, excisional biopsy, and that's very nice because if it's benign, you're done. If it's malignant, you have to do some other things very likely. Sometimes only a piece of tissue is removed, if it's a big mass you don't want to go and do a commando operation until you know what you're dealing with. That may be an incisional biopsy, you take a wedge of it out. There are various biting forceps where bite a piece out and there are punch forceps particularly for skin things where you take a punch, it's a little boring, finally very often there are a variety of needles that are used where you can put a needle into a mass with very, nothing beyond local anesthesia even, put a needle in and draw out a core of cells and get those under the microscope and the extreme of this is putting in, and this can be done you know with CT guidance into internal organs put a very fine skinny needle in there suck out some juice from the lump and that juice will usually contain a few floating cells and the trained cytopathologist could look at the degree of anaplasia and so forth in those cells and make a diagnosis. So, this is always, almost always, what we do before undertaking treatment. And just to tell you, in conclusion, that this visual exam under the scope is frequently augmented by other things. Someone asked me, for instance, can you always tell, looking at a met, where it came from, if it's an unknown primary. My answer was no, unfortunately many different glandular neoplasms look the same under the microscope, so all we can say is this came from a glandular tissue. Sometimes we can use immuno histochemical techniques, in other words, there maybe certain proteins on the surface of certain cells that identify them we have a library of of antibodies directed against these various proteins and they're labeled in a certain way and we can make a cut of the tissue we have and put this on and if it lights up we know that protein is represented, and to give you a concrete example, suppose we had a lymph node that had a glandular cancer and one of the possibilities would be from the prostate we could take an antibiotic to PSA (prostate specific antigen) stain that tissue, and if it lit up, those cancer cells had the prostate antigen, easy! this came from prostate. So we use those sorts of things we've gotten into molecular methods of identifying this or that molecule and in the cell population that augments what we can do visually and the ultimate is something you're going to hear a lot more about and that is subjecting the tumor to analysis with what we call microarrays which are the system whereby you can screen for thousands of genes and see which ones are activated and we're beginning to ''beginning'' to be able to say well with this, this, this, these genes activated this neoplasm is more likely to do this, and with this, this, this set of genes activated it's more likely to do that. That's where it is all going. Okay we'll continue this on Wednesday and feed you the rest.