WEBVTT 00:00:07.949 --> 00:00:10.350 我三十年來 00:00:10.548 --> 00:00:14.920 就寫過好多、好多的療癒性的歌詞 00:00:15.851 --> 00:00:18.131 然後還有好多、好多的 00:00:18.798 --> 00:00:23.200 很有勵志性的、鼓勵人心的文章 00:00:23.489 --> 00:00:25.906 跟出版類似的書 00:00:28.737 --> 00:00:32.149 你們看我好像一個虛弱文人的樣子哦 00:00:32.149 --> 00:00:33.149 (笑聲) 00:00:33.149 --> 00:00:35.689 其實我的本質、我的真正的身份 00:00:35.689 --> 00:00:41.025 是一個販賣心靈雞湯的商人 00:00:41.329 --> 00:00:43.294 而且是批發的 00:00:43.531 --> 00:00:45.500 (笑聲) NOTE Paragraph 00:00:46.216 --> 00:00:47.901 心靈雞湯,好喝啊 00:00:48.233 --> 00:00:49.706 好喝、好喝 00:00:49.721 --> 00:00:52.384 就跟現在很夯的那個厚奶茶一樣哦 00:00:52.930 --> 00:00:54.305 (笑聲) 00:00:55.964 --> 00:00:57.339 只是有時候 00:00:57.339 --> 00:01:00.541 我覺得,每一個人的體質不一樣 00:01:00.680 --> 00:01:04.347 喝太多了,有時候有反效果 00:01:04.749 --> 00:01:08.256 我現在在這裡 不是要損其他甚麼的那個 00:01:09.244 --> 00:01:11.201 我只是一個販賣那個心靈雞湯 00:01:11.201 --> 00:01:13.007 跟它沒衝突的哦 NOTE Paragraph 00:01:13.121 --> 00:01:14.883 有體質不同 00:01:14.883 --> 00:01:18.350 喝太多的心靈雞湯 像我這一種人 00:01:18.370 --> 00:01:19.841 我是甚麼人呢? 00:01:19.841 --> 00:01:21.590 我是一個很奇怪的人 00:01:22.552 --> 00:01:25.493 我是一個創作人 NOTE Paragraph 00:01:25.924 --> 00:01:28.607 創作人,我曾經講過 00:01:28.634 --> 00:01:32.769 創作的本質,就是一場革命 00:01:33.175 --> 00:01:34.979 很嚴重,對不對?哦 00:01:35.160 --> 00:01:36.554 那,說輕一點,就是 00:01:36.556 --> 00:01:40.949 我是一個曾經長期患有焦慮症的人 NOTE Paragraph 00:01:41.619 --> 00:01:45.726 那,對於有焦慮症,或者是一般 00:01:45.746 --> 00:01:47.362 你沒有焦慮症,可是很... 00:01:47.362 --> 00:01:49.174 常常會很焦慮的人 00:01:49.187 --> 00:01:54.793 你跟他喝一些心靈雞湯,好喝啊 00:01:54.876 --> 00:01:55.896 比方說 00:01:55.896 --> 00:01:58.363 我很緊張的時候,我很焦慮的時候 00:01:58.583 --> 00:02:01.810 他就來跟我講那種最正面、最... 00:02:03.396 --> 00:02:05.843 最正面、最土... 00:02:05.843 --> 00:02:08.182 這個不要...不要酸人家哦 00:02:08.182 --> 00:02:09.488 人家好意哦 00:02:10.886 --> 00:02:15.428 最通常出現的那種好...好 00:02:15.428 --> 00:02:17.291 教科書的那種 00:02:17.590 --> 00:02:20.027 「啊,你有甚麼想不通呀? 00:02:20.073 --> 00:02:21.759 有甚麼想不開呀?」 00:02:22.718 --> 00:02:25.088 我自己作為一個焦慮症患者 00:02:25.088 --> 00:02:28.502 或者是任何一個比較有尊嚴的人 00:02:28.536 --> 00:02:31.981 我真的啊,自然的反應就是說: 00:02:33.035 --> 00:02:36.124 「我哪裡看得開 我哪裡看不開呢? 00:02:36.286 --> 00:02:38.235 你太小看我了吧? 00:02:38.265 --> 00:02:41.171 我自己寫得那麼多的療癒系的歌詞 00:02:41.171 --> 00:02:43.097 我怎麼看不開?我隨便挑一個 00:02:43.097 --> 00:02:45.519 我都可以把你那個...駁倒啊 00:02:45.519 --> 00:02:46.698 我...我不嗆你 00:02:46.698 --> 00:02:49.374 我就已經有這個厚道了,已經喔」 00:02:49.768 --> 00:02:51.214 (笑聲) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:51.227 --> 00:02:55.268 所以,我自己因為有這一個... 00:02:55.822 --> 00:02:57.968 這個心裡邊的一個自信 00:02:57.970 --> 00:03:01.000 跟有焦慮症的記錄 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.825 跟一個很有經驗的病患者 00:03:03.983 --> 00:03:07.294 所以我作為一個扮演一個醫生-- 00:03:07.294 --> 00:03:10.703 文字的醫生的工作者同時 00:03:10.703 --> 00:03:11.652 我會發現 00:03:11.652 --> 00:03:14.914 倒不如今天我們來一點負能量 NOTE Paragraph 00:03:15.478 --> 00:03:18.002 負能量好啊,散發一點好啊 00:03:18.002 --> 00:03:20.739 逃脫嘛,今天逃脫,我們負能量 00:03:20.803 --> 00:03:22.410 負能量,很爽的 00:03:22.542 --> 00:03:23.674 (笑聲) NOTE Paragraph 00:03:23.695 --> 00:03:25.243 正能量是甚麼? 00:03:25.684 --> 00:03:29.703 我常常從我那個受教育開始 00:03:29.938 --> 00:03:32.031 然後我聽父母-- 00:03:32.164 --> 00:03:35.475 我父母親比較少...少來這一套哦-- 00:03:37.633 --> 00:03:39.423 教育、教室 00:03:39.733 --> 00:03:42.280 跟我們所有看過好多的書啊 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.182 或者是這個社會、朋友 00:03:44.507 --> 00:03:47.975 就是說,同輩,或者是甚麼人 00:03:47.975 --> 00:03:50.947 給我們的影響,都會說有一句話嘛: 00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:55.248 「你在哪裡跌倒,就要在哪裡站起來」 00:03:55.248 --> 00:03:58.248 特別在運動會,或者是-- 00:03:58.563 --> 00:04:00.140 世大運不包括在內哦-- 00:04:00.326 --> 00:04:01.925 (笑聲) 00:04:01.941 --> 00:04:03.595 在運動會的時候,常常會講嘛: 00:04:03.595 --> 00:04:05.293 「欸,你在這裡跌倒 00:04:05.293 --> 00:04:06.619 你就在這裡站起來」 NOTE Paragraph 00:04:06.619 --> 00:04:09.508 我覺得,這一句話,有夠殘忍的啦 00:04:10.514 --> 00:04:14.820 你要看...因為,先要怎麼樣呢? 00:04:14.835 --> 00:04:16.176 先要檢... 00:04:19.177 --> 00:04:22.375 看一下那個你站的那個跌倒的那個土... 00:04:22.729 --> 00:04:24.960 土地那個土壤的土質 00:04:24.979 --> 00:04:26.630 要不要考察一下呀? 00:04:26.685 --> 00:04:29.188 像,如果你是一個房子 00:04:29.225 --> 00:04:30.705 下面是個流沙 00:04:30.705 --> 00:04:32.692 你蓋在上面,倒下來,你再蓋 00:04:32.692 --> 00:04:34.770 幹嘛呢?對不對? NOTE Paragraph 00:04:35.310 --> 00:04:38.507 然後,其中有兩個原因嘛 00:04:38.614 --> 00:04:41.225 我不是要大家要放棄 00:04:41.455 --> 00:04:43.569 只是要了解自己 NOTE Paragraph 00:04:43.708 --> 00:04:45.829 了解自己是很困難的 00:04:45.871 --> 00:04:47.406 了解自己,有時候 00:04:47.406 --> 00:04:50.741 比用一個謊話圓另外一個謊更困難 00:04:50.741 --> 00:04:51.781 真的 00:04:51.781 --> 00:04:53.180 然後,所以... NOTE Paragraph 00:04:53.180 --> 00:04:55.410 第二個原因是我們自己騙了自己啊 00:04:55.410 --> 00:04:57.646 我以為適合當一個寫歌詞的人 00:04:57.646 --> 00:04:59.332 結果,原來我跌倒了 00:04:59.332 --> 00:05:01.124 又重新站起來,又跌倒了 00:05:01.124 --> 00:05:02.600 從來沒有人要過我的歌詞 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:04.403 那幹嘛呢?浪費生命嘛 NOTE Paragraph 00:05:04.946 --> 00:05:07.704 第二種可能就是我剛才說的啦 00:05:08.248 --> 00:05:11.390 如果這樣說還是你們沒感的話 00:05:11.423 --> 00:05:13.251 我就說一個有感的 00:05:13.894 --> 00:05:15.933 比方說,我在這裡跌倒 00:05:15.939 --> 00:05:17.442 我在跌倒的地方 00:05:17.442 --> 00:05:20.167 是我很愛很愛的人的懷抱 00:05:20.607 --> 00:05:23.203 可是那個人是很不很不很不愛我的 00:05:23.203 --> 00:05:24.894 永遠不可能愛我的 00:05:24.894 --> 00:05:27.671 不會說「我可能會愛你」,不可能 00:05:27.986 --> 00:05:29.185 (笑聲) 00:05:29.185 --> 00:05:32.161 你在這個愛人的懷抱裡面跌倒 00:05:32.161 --> 00:05:34.926 你幹嘛要堅持以後 00:05:34.926 --> 00:05:38.210 我還是要在她的懷抱裡面站起來呢? 00:05:38.732 --> 00:05:41.375 如果對我來說,我覺得最... 00:05:42.379 --> 00:05:44.834 最有道理的一句 00:05:44.943 --> 00:05:48.242 好像有負能量的一個...一個說法就是: 00:05:48.368 --> 00:05:51.927 你在哪裡跌倒,如果發現不適合 00:05:52.775 --> 00:05:57.491 用爬的都要爬出原地 00:05:57.895 --> 00:06:00.384 另外創一番新天地 00:06:00.667 --> 00:06:03.377 這個--當然這個...中間這個判斷呢 00:06:03.625 --> 00:06:06.562 要民俗專家來給意見 00:06:06.614 --> 00:06:07.810 (笑聲) 00:06:07.810 --> 00:06:09.317 那個難度那麼危險的動作 00:06:09.317 --> 00:06:11.249 普通人不要學哦 NOTE Paragraph 00:06:11.397 --> 00:06:14.711 然後...不是有一個日劇叫... 00:06:16.391 --> 00:06:19.418 《逃避可恥但很有用》嗎? (又譯《月薪嬌妻》) 00:06:19.568 --> 00:06:21.515 有看過的人,請舉手 NOTE Paragraph 00:06:22.220 --> 00:06:24.008 好,沒...沒幾個看過 00:06:24.008 --> 00:06:25.559 沒問題,我也沒看過 00:06:26.210 --> 00:06:27.550 我只是覺得那個... 00:06:27.577 --> 00:06:29.615 「逃避」、「可恥」、「很有用」 00:06:29.653 --> 00:06:31.132 這個逃避是不可恥 00:06:31.132 --> 00:06:32.510 可是很有用,真的 00:06:32.510 --> 00:06:35.114 我之所以成為今天的我 00:06:35.277 --> 00:06:39.261 我覺得是因為我從小就學會這個... 00:06:40.349 --> 00:06:41.971 有一點不要臉了 00:06:42.104 --> 00:06:44.385 逃避沒關係,可恥就可恥了 00:06:44.385 --> 00:06:45.653 你拿我怎麼辦呢? 00:06:45.653 --> 00:06:47.419 因為我看金庸小說那麼多 00:06:47.419 --> 00:06:49.207 最感動得我的場面就是 00:06:49.207 --> 00:06:53.323 那個小龍女跟這個...這個甚麼法王啊 00:06:53.945 --> 00:06:56.783 他們很認真地在...決戰 00:06:56.949 --> 00:06:58.863 法王呢,就很認真地 00:06:58.863 --> 00:07:00.211 一臉認真地,就是說: 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.999 「哼,如果妳輸了,怎麼辦?」 00:07:03.297 --> 00:07:05.700 小龍女呢,你們都知道嘛 00:07:06.219 --> 00:07:09.176 小龍女就一臉無辜的: 00:07:09.523 --> 00:07:12.344 「輸了就輸了,你還想怎麼樣呢?」 00:07:12.367 --> 00:07:14.457 欸,我覺得這態度真好 00:07:14.518 --> 00:07:16.430 (笑聲) 00:07:16.540 --> 00:07:19.188 這逃避這個輸贏的懲罰的遊戲 00:07:19.371 --> 00:07:21.763 可是可恥嗎?不可恥,很有用啊 00:07:21.820 --> 00:07:24.896 你為甚麼看那個輸贏那麼重呢? NOTE Paragraph 00:07:25.304 --> 00:07:28.861 所以我...我其實就用逃... 00:07:28.872 --> 00:07:31.559 等於比方說,我...我很喜歡閱讀 00:07:31.559 --> 00:07:33.461 我從小...我國中的時候 00:07:33.461 --> 00:07:35.954 就把整個《紅樓夢》看透透 00:07:37.212 --> 00:07:38.782 你以為我是看了那個 00:07:38.782 --> 00:07:40.948 甚麼「愛書才會贏」啊 00:07:40.948 --> 00:07:42.654 之類的公益廣告 00:07:42.654 --> 00:07:44.342 而受感動,然後才去看書啊? 00:07:44.342 --> 00:07:45.397 不是 00:07:45.410 --> 00:07:50.200 是因為我生長在一個家無寧日的家庭 00:07:51.081 --> 00:07:54.759 就一天到晚在吵架、吵架、吵架再吵架 00:07:55.030 --> 00:07:57.209 沒有人謙卑、謙卑再謙卑 00:07:57.233 --> 00:07:58.433 (笑聲) 00:07:58.471 --> 00:08:00.526 一整天都在做爭論節目啊 00:08:00.570 --> 00:08:01.968 (笑聲) 00:08:01.968 --> 00:08:03.686 我覺得很沒...沒有意義啊 00:08:03.686 --> 00:08:05.232 所以我自己就... 00:08:05.775 --> 00:08:08.734 與其在這一種小家庭 00:08:11.818 --> 00:08:14.269 小家小氣的那一種 00:08:14.269 --> 00:08:15.730 吵的那一些無益 00:08:15.730 --> 00:08:19.358 與社會公益無關的...吵架 00:08:19.661 --> 00:08:20.988 那我倒不如 00:08:20.988 --> 00:08:23.660 我看大家族《紅樓夢》裡邊 00:08:23.660 --> 00:08:25.466 了解整個人性 00:08:25.554 --> 00:08:27.434 所以這個,我覺得對我來說 00:08:27.482 --> 00:08:29.834 訓練成為今天的我,很有關係 NOTE Paragraph 00:08:30.400 --> 00:08:33.339 那,所謂「逃脫」嘛 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.185 「逃」,我的定義就是... 00:08:38.232 --> 00:08:41.553 「逃」──「逃脫」的「逃」,沒錯 00:08:41.574 --> 00:08:42.785 (笑聲) NOTE Paragraph 00:08:43.470 --> 00:08:45.660 可是逃脫,你以為簡單嘛? 00:08:45.672 --> 00:08:47.164 很不容易啊 00:08:47.815 --> 00:08:50.438 人最難的就是改變自己 00:08:50.438 --> 00:08:54.288 逃脫需要很大的勇氣去改變自己 00:08:54.288 --> 00:08:56.726 已經適應的那個 comfort zone-- (舒適圈) 00:08:56.866 --> 00:08:58.488 comfort zone 是甚麼? 00:08:58.521 --> 00:09:00.116 對,就是 comfort zone 呀-- 00:09:00.438 --> 00:09:02.910 然後,超脫就是... 00:09:03.448 --> 00:09:05.191 「脫」,就是超脫 NOTE Paragraph 00:09:05.201 --> 00:09:06.586 甚麼叫「超脫」? 00:09:06.586 --> 00:09:09.221 超脫就是從本來不適合你的土壤 00:09:09.221 --> 00:09:11.519 我就不站起來地爬出去 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.943 爬出去以後,我就脫 00:09:13.943 --> 00:09:16.920 超脫了這本來不適合我的境界 00:09:17.088 --> 00:09:19.953 或者心境,或者環境,或者是... 00:09:20.100 --> 00:09:25.195 甚至是社會的制度,就「脫」了 NOTE Paragraph 00:09:25.386 --> 00:09:27.991 脫也...比方說,脫衣服,我脫 00:09:28.359 --> 00:09:29.704 脫衣服,沒別的意思 00:09:29.704 --> 00:09:31.855 脫衣服是很--很健康的動作 00:09:31.855 --> 00:09:34.100 因為脫衣服,其實就是每個人 00:09:34.441 --> 00:09:37.368 赤裸裸的、坦蕩蕩的面對真正的自己 NOTE Paragraph 00:09:37.487 --> 00:09:38.388 比方說我這件... 00:09:38.388 --> 00:09:39.958 我不脫這個衣服,你們看到... 00:09:39.962 --> 00:09:42.270 沒看到我的「無責任」的那個哦 00:09:42.361 --> 00:09:43.810 我很喜歡我那個 T-shirt 00:09:43.810 --> 00:09:45.260 上面的「無責任」 00:09:45.260 --> 00:09:47.138 剛才王琄老師也提到嘛 00:09:47.273 --> 00:09:49.600 要做平衡嘛:責任、無責任 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:51.510 我脫,脫下來面對我自己 00:09:51.510 --> 00:09:55.232 我自己最...最大的抱負,跟... 00:09:55.790 --> 00:09:57.629 也成了一個包袱 00:09:57.782 --> 00:09:59.475 是甚麼呢?也就是歌詞 NOTE Paragraph 00:09:59.944 --> 00:10:01.420 我是一個太有責-- 00:10:01.540 --> 00:10:02.711 不對,這一邊-- 00:10:02.711 --> 00:10:04.111 太有責任的人 00:10:04.151 --> 00:10:05.644 我作為一個寫詞人 00:10:05.644 --> 00:10:09.231 三十幾年來從來沒有... 沒有鬆過一口氣 00:10:09.468 --> 00:10:10.814 好淒涼哦 00:10:10.825 --> 00:10:14.549 因為我給自己的那一種 種種的包袱太多 00:10:14.980 --> 00:10:17.146 我責任感很重的 00:10:17.495 --> 00:10:19.234 如果沒有拖稿的時候 00:10:19.234 --> 00:10:20.101 然後... 00:10:20.231 --> 00:10:21.236 (笑聲) 00:10:21.236 --> 00:10:22.707 我差不多每一首作品 00:10:23.365 --> 00:10:25.486 真的,差不多如果... 00:10:25.486 --> 00:10:27.897 盡我所能,差不多每一首歌詞 00:10:27.897 --> 00:10:30.919 我希望都能夠改變人心 00:10:32.589 --> 00:10:37.224 改良藝術、提升這個文化水平 00:10:37.549 --> 00:10:38.554 然後... 00:10:38.554 --> 00:10:39.714 (笑聲) 00:10:39.714 --> 00:10:43.218 每一個都有經得起時間跟文學的考驗 00:10:43.218 --> 00:10:46.569 然後,還有...最希望就是 00:10:47.993 --> 00:10:52.114 能夠改變這個我們不理想的世界 00:10:52.134 --> 00:10:54.284 這個是真的,是衷心的 00:10:54.380 --> 00:10:56.909 可是就因為這樣子,我往往會... 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.372 往往會很焦慮,往往會很緊張 00:11:00.396 --> 00:11:01.636 然後,有... 00:11:01.636 --> 00:11:05.167 我怎麼破解這樣一個焦慮症常常復發的 00:11:05.422 --> 00:11:08.176 然後以後寫歌詞比較輕鬆的 00:11:08.178 --> 00:11:09.488 就有一個故事 NOTE Paragraph 00:11:09.653 --> 00:11:12.479 這個故事很簡單,也沒甚麼 00:11:12.495 --> 00:11:15.432 如常,是日常,就有人來追歌詞 00:11:15.449 --> 00:11:16.810 然後就,他說--忽然就-- 00:11:16.810 --> 00:11:19.520 這歌手也不負責任呢,沒責任呢 00:11:19.642 --> 00:11:21.172 就忽然之間告訴我: 00:11:21.421 --> 00:11:23.549 「欸,等一下訪問就要唱了」 00:11:23.553 --> 00:11:25.262 欸,你不負責任呐 00:11:25.262 --> 00:11:26.890 你要唱,你早點說嘛 00:11:27.207 --> 00:11:29.481 提前三天預訂,好不好? 00:11:29.568 --> 00:11:31.169 然後今天訪問唱,我就... 00:11:31.205 --> 00:11:34.840 我那個焦慮症立刻就發作了 00:11:34.953 --> 00:11:38.279 緊張得我聽到自己的心跳的聲音 00:11:38.330 --> 00:11:41.261 很緊張,完全失去我所有... 00:11:41.324 --> 00:11:43.766 小龍女也失去所有的功力了 00:11:43.788 --> 00:11:44.826 (笑聲) 00:11:44.826 --> 00:11:46.289 就心跳、心跳,寫不來,寫不來 00:11:46.289 --> 00:11:48.239 很緊張,然後就差不多錯亂了 NOTE Paragraph 00:11:48.272 --> 00:11:50.828 還好,沒錯亂 00:11:50.828 --> 00:11:52.791 我就面對嘛:面對,然後就放下 00:11:53.117 --> 00:11:54.611 然後我就跟歌手講: 00:11:54.611 --> 00:11:56.428 「欸,欸,對不起,我又來了」 00:11:56.428 --> 00:11:57.876 「哦」,他們都很了解了 00:11:58.034 --> 00:11:59.524 「啊,那個焦慮症又來了 00:11:59.524 --> 00:12:00.803 啊,沒關係呀 00:12:00.803 --> 00:12:04.100 那我就--欸--取消這個錄音棚咧」 NOTE Paragraph 00:12:04.748 --> 00:12:07.309 欸,你看他那個口氣的尾巴 00:12:07.309 --> 00:12:10.456 有一點話裡有話,好像不滿意的樣子 00:12:10.504 --> 00:12:12.397 我那麼負「責任」的人 00:12:12.513 --> 00:12:13.658 (笑聲) 00:12:13.658 --> 00:12:15.220 就很內疚了,就很內疚 00:12:15.220 --> 00:12:16.825 然後就,更嚴重 NOTE Paragraph 00:12:17.198 --> 00:12:19.407 那後來,電話又響了 00:12:19.407 --> 00:12:21.107 另外一個製作人,又來了 00:12:21.107 --> 00:12:22.408 這個製作人哦 00:12:22.747 --> 00:12:24.561 跟我長期的合作以來 00:12:24.561 --> 00:12:26.755 我有一個經驗:他就是很龜毛的 00:12:26.755 --> 00:12:29.620 我們常常因為一、兩個字的選擇 00:12:29.873 --> 00:12:32.723 會吵架,吵一些很有意義的架 00:12:32.844 --> 00:12:33.918 (笑聲) 00:12:33.918 --> 00:12:35.372 而且吵、吵、吵,然後就: 00:12:35.372 --> 00:12:36.593 「啊,他又來囉」 00:12:36.593 --> 00:12:37.969 然後他... 00:12:40.307 --> 00:12:41.683 他就跟我講-- 00:12:41.683 --> 00:12:44.504 欸,奇怪?我以為他卡到陰,最初 00:12:44.651 --> 00:12:45.762 (笑聲) 00:12:45.762 --> 00:12:46.749 他從來... 00:12:46.792 --> 00:12:49.319 其實哦,也是對我是一種污辱啦 00:12:49.933 --> 00:12:51.920 在我一個...我曾經豪言嘛: 00:12:51.954 --> 00:12:53.144 「歌詞是我-- 00:12:53.144 --> 00:12:55.972 在我的生命的順序裡面是第一位 00:12:55.972 --> 00:12:57.690 第二位才是健康」 00:12:57.764 --> 00:12:59.560 有沒有--有沒有離譜啊? 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:01.183 離譜啦,不健康的 00:13:01.183 --> 00:13:03.463 我現在後悔了,已經晚了啊 00:13:03.479 --> 00:13:04.595 (笑聲) 00:13:04.595 --> 00:13:06.304 然後那個--那個製作人就跟我講: 00:13:07.741 --> 00:13:09.737 「怎麼?又來了哦? 00:13:09.746 --> 00:13:12.983 沒關係啊,隨便寫寫就算了嘛 00:13:13.369 --> 00:13:15.370 你以為是甚麼啊? 00:13:15.370 --> 00:13:17.588 一首歌詞而已嘛,你以為文學啊? 00:13:17.588 --> 00:13:19.439 你以為那個--那個... 00:13:19.712 --> 00:13:22.712 你寫完我就錄唄,錄完我就... 00:13:23.116 --> 00:13:25.106 寫完就唱啦,唱完就錄了 00:13:25.106 --> 00:13:27.230 錄完就密了,密了就派去電台了 00:13:27.230 --> 00:13:30.231 派去電台就要不上榜,要不不上榜啦 00:13:30.772 --> 00:13:33.167 上榜、下榜,現在的甚麼歌啊 00:13:33.177 --> 00:13:34.653 現在,流行 00:13:35.967 --> 00:13:37.467 流行歌都沒有那麼流行了 00:13:37.467 --> 00:13:39.211 你還...還覺得甚麼? 00:13:39.211 --> 00:13:40.970 你以為那個留名千古 00:13:40.970 --> 00:13:42.519 有沒有那麼嚴重啊?」 NOTE Paragraph 00:13:43.831 --> 00:13:46.400 最初我當然心裡邊有點不爽 00:13:46.400 --> 00:13:49.180 我就覺得:「欸,你這樣子說 00:13:49.180 --> 00:13:51.680 是不是我隨便寫一個垃圾出來 00:13:52.698 --> 00:13:53.797 你都認為這... 00:13:53.797 --> 00:13:55.561 我還有這個...還有尊嚴? 00:13:55.872 --> 00:13:57.225 我這個行業、我整個崗位 00:13:57.225 --> 00:13:58.578 還有價值嗎?」 NOTE Paragraph 00:13:58.750 --> 00:14:01.187 欸,可是我定下來,很奇怪 00:14:01.341 --> 00:14:04.895 忽然之間才留意到,自己的心沒跳 00:14:04.895 --> 00:14:06.565 欸,沒有,不是沒跳 00:14:06.565 --> 00:14:07.752 (笑聲) 00:14:07.752 --> 00:14:10.257 是心律正常了 00:14:10.277 --> 00:14:12.646 所有焦慮症的毛病 00:14:12.646 --> 00:14:14.404 比方說,你肌肉很緊張 00:14:14.404 --> 00:14:15.894 都消失了 NOTE Paragraph 00:14:16.165 --> 00:14:17.859 其實就因為甚麼? 00:14:17.878 --> 00:14:20.786 他用了一種反方向、逆向的思維 00:14:20.802 --> 00:14:22.256 就是說,比較... 00:14:22.256 --> 00:14:24.830 你以為是一種很負能量的 00:14:24.830 --> 00:14:26.836 「沒關係啊,你認為自己在幹嘛? 00:14:26.836 --> 00:14:29.587 你這麼的小事情 就等於寫垃圾一樣啦 00:14:29.721 --> 00:14:31.524 欸,甚麼、甚麼、垃圾不分... 00:14:33.648 --> 00:14:36.367 垃圾不分爛歌詞跟好歌詞嘛 00:14:36.367 --> 00:14:37.504 就是垃圾 00:14:37.504 --> 00:14:39.148 隨便啦,我們是那種啊」 NOTE Paragraph 00:14:40.542 --> 00:14:43.951 他用一種最殘酷的一個安慰的方法 00:14:43.951 --> 00:14:45.851 反而平伏了 00:14:45.851 --> 00:14:50.209 而且成為以後我壓力太大 00:14:50.209 --> 00:14:55.262 以致於我本來想求完美、一百分 00:14:55.262 --> 00:15:00.302 結果因為這個焦慮變成只有八十分 00:15:00.724 --> 00:15:03.127 成了一個我常常提醒自己 NOTE Paragraph 00:15:03.459 --> 00:15:04.944 甚麼方法、甚麼口訣? 00:15:04.944 --> 00:15:08.483 很簡單,比這個佛經要簡單很多 00:15:08.686 --> 00:15:12.522 比「面對、放下、接受」更簡單 00:15:12.523 --> 00:15:17.312 就是:不過是一個歌詞,盡情去踩 00:15:17.451 --> 00:15:20.645 不過是一個歌詞、不過是一個愛人 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:25.117 不過是一個可能永遠沒辦法實現的理想 00:15:25.380 --> 00:15:27.013 不過是甚麼、甚麼 00:15:27.124 --> 00:15:29.172 不過甚麼都不是甚麼 NOTE Paragraph 00:15:29.608 --> 00:15:32.702 然後你就會覺得: 00:15:32.702 --> 00:15:35.167 哎呀,踩得那麼扁,太可憐了 00:15:35.167 --> 00:15:38.919 如果你真的沒有認錯你的目標 00:15:38.953 --> 00:15:41.708 它是真的你一生所愛 00:15:41.967 --> 00:15:43.446 哪怕是夢想、愛人 00:15:43.446 --> 00:15:46.724 或者是你的貢獻、角色 00:15:47.122 --> 00:15:48.699 你就會可憐: 00:15:48.699 --> 00:15:51.893 哎呀,踩得那麼扁,你還好好嗎? 00:15:51.932 --> 00:15:53.362 你好的話 00:15:53.466 --> 00:15:57.838 我就重新以一種比較沒有壓力的狀態-- 00:15:57.971 --> 00:15:59.695 這個我覺得是,就是-- 00:15:59.726 --> 00:16:03.917 你重重放下,輕輕舉起 NOTE Paragraph 00:16:04.190 --> 00:16:06.879 然後,其實就很簡單: 00:16:07.686 --> 00:16:09.441 三個字、兩句話-- 00:16:09.441 --> 00:16:10.324 欸,不是 00:16:10.324 --> 00:16:12.112 六個字,兩句話: 00:16:12.233 --> 00:16:14.627 「想要逃,先要脫」 00:16:14.718 --> 00:16:16.278 謝謝各位 NOTE Paragraph 00:16:16.381 --> 00:16:17.765 (掌聲)