1 00:00:07,949 --> 00:00:10,350 我三十年來 2 00:00:10,548 --> 00:00:14,920 就寫過好多、好多的療癒性的歌詞 3 00:00:15,851 --> 00:00:18,131 然後還有好多、好多的 4 00:00:18,798 --> 00:00:23,200 很有勵志性的、鼓勵人心的文章 5 00:00:23,489 --> 00:00:25,906 跟出版類似的書 6 00:00:28,737 --> 00:00:32,149 你們看我好像一個虛弱文人的樣子哦 7 00:00:32,149 --> 00:00:33,149 (笑聲) 8 00:00:33,149 --> 00:00:35,689 其實我的本質、我的真正的身份 9 00:00:35,689 --> 00:00:41,025 是一個販賣心靈雞湯的商人 10 00:00:41,329 --> 00:00:43,294 而且是批發的 11 00:00:43,531 --> 00:00:45,500 (笑聲) 12 00:00:46,216 --> 00:00:47,901 心靈雞湯,好喝啊 13 00:00:48,233 --> 00:00:49,706 好喝、好喝 14 00:00:49,721 --> 00:00:52,384 就跟現在很夯的那個厚奶茶一樣哦 15 00:00:52,930 --> 00:00:54,305 (笑聲) 16 00:00:55,964 --> 00:00:57,339 只是有時候 17 00:00:57,339 --> 00:01:00,541 我覺得,每一個人的體質不一樣 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,347 喝太多了,有時候有反效果 19 00:01:04,749 --> 00:01:08,256 我現在在這裡 不是要損其他甚麼的那個 20 00:01:09,244 --> 00:01:11,201 我只是一個販賣那個心靈雞湯 21 00:01:11,201 --> 00:01:13,007 跟它沒衝突的哦 22 00:01:13,121 --> 00:01:14,883 有體質不同 23 00:01:14,883 --> 00:01:18,350 喝太多的心靈雞湯 像我這一種人 24 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:19,841 我是甚麼人呢? 25 00:01:19,841 --> 00:01:21,590 我是一個很奇怪的人 26 00:01:22,552 --> 00:01:25,493 我是一個創作人 27 00:01:25,924 --> 00:01:28,607 創作人,我曾經講過 28 00:01:28,634 --> 00:01:32,769 創作的本質,就是一場革命 29 00:01:33,175 --> 00:01:34,979 很嚴重,對不對?哦 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,554 那,說輕一點,就是 31 00:01:36,556 --> 00:01:40,949 我是一個曾經長期患有焦慮症的人 32 00:01:41,619 --> 00:01:45,726 那,對於有焦慮症,或者是一般 33 00:01:45,746 --> 00:01:47,362 你沒有焦慮症,可是很... 34 00:01:47,362 --> 00:01:49,174 常常會很焦慮的人 35 00:01:49,187 --> 00:01:54,793 你跟他喝一些心靈雞湯,好喝啊 36 00:01:54,876 --> 00:01:55,896 比方說 37 00:01:55,896 --> 00:01:58,363 我很緊張的時候,我很焦慮的時候 38 00:01:58,583 --> 00:02:01,810 他就來跟我講那種最正面、最... 39 00:02:03,396 --> 00:02:05,843 最正面、最土... 40 00:02:05,843 --> 00:02:08,182 這個不要...不要酸人家哦 41 00:02:08,182 --> 00:02:09,488 人家好意哦 42 00:02:10,886 --> 00:02:15,428 最通常出現的那種好...好 43 00:02:15,428 --> 00:02:17,291 教科書的那種 44 00:02:17,590 --> 00:02:20,027 「啊,你有甚麼想不通呀? 45 00:02:20,073 --> 00:02:21,759 有甚麼想不開呀?」 46 00:02:22,718 --> 00:02:25,088 我自己作為一個焦慮症患者 47 00:02:25,088 --> 00:02:28,502 或者是任何一個比較有尊嚴的人 48 00:02:28,536 --> 00:02:31,981 我真的啊,自然的反應就是說: 49 00:02:33,035 --> 00:02:36,124 「我哪裡看得開 我哪裡看不開呢? 50 00:02:36,286 --> 00:02:38,235 你太小看我了吧? 51 00:02:38,265 --> 00:02:41,171 我自己寫得那麼多的療癒系的歌詞 52 00:02:41,171 --> 00:02:43,097 我怎麼看不開?我隨便挑一個 53 00:02:43,097 --> 00:02:45,519 我都可以把你那個...駁倒啊 54 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:46,698 我...我不嗆你 55 00:02:46,698 --> 00:02:49,374 我就已經有這個厚道了,已經喔」 56 00:02:49,768 --> 00:02:51,214 (笑聲) 57 00:02:51,227 --> 00:02:55,268 所以,我自己因為有這一個... 58 00:02:55,822 --> 00:02:57,968 這個心裡邊的一個自信 59 00:02:57,970 --> 00:03:01,000 跟有焦慮症的記錄 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,825 跟一個很有經驗的病患者 61 00:03:03,983 --> 00:03:07,294 所以我作為一個扮演一個醫生-- 62 00:03:07,294 --> 00:03:10,703 文字的醫生的工作者同時 63 00:03:10,703 --> 00:03:11,652 我會發現 64 00:03:11,652 --> 00:03:14,914 倒不如今天我們來一點負能量 65 00:03:15,478 --> 00:03:18,002 負能量好啊,散發一點好啊 66 00:03:18,002 --> 00:03:20,739 逃脫嘛,今天逃脫,我們負能量 67 00:03:20,803 --> 00:03:22,410 負能量,很爽的 68 00:03:22,542 --> 00:03:23,674 (笑聲) 69 00:03:23,695 --> 00:03:25,243 正能量是甚麼? 70 00:03:25,684 --> 00:03:29,703 我常常從我那個受教育開始 71 00:03:29,938 --> 00:03:32,031 然後我聽父母-- 72 00:03:32,164 --> 00:03:35,475 我父母親比較少...少來這一套哦-- 73 00:03:37,633 --> 00:03:39,423 教育、教室 74 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:42,280 跟我們所有看過好多的書啊 75 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,182 或者是這個社會、朋友 76 00:03:44,507 --> 00:03:47,975 就是說,同輩,或者是甚麼人 77 00:03:47,975 --> 00:03:50,947 給我們的影響,都會說有一句話嘛: 78 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,248 「你在哪裡跌倒,就要在哪裡站起來」 79 00:03:55,248 --> 00:03:58,248 特別在運動會,或者是-- 80 00:03:58,563 --> 00:04:00,140 世大運不包括在內哦-- 81 00:04:00,326 --> 00:04:01,925 (笑聲) 82 00:04:01,941 --> 00:04:03,595 在運動會的時候,常常會講嘛: 83 00:04:03,595 --> 00:04:05,293 「欸,你在這裡跌倒 84 00:04:05,293 --> 00:04:06,619 你就在這裡站起來」 85 00:04:06,619 --> 00:04:09,508 我覺得,這一句話,有夠殘忍的啦 86 00:04:10,514 --> 00:04:14,820 你要看...因為,先要怎麼樣呢? 87 00:04:14,835 --> 00:04:16,176 先要檢... 88 00:04:19,177 --> 00:04:22,375 看一下那個你站的那個跌倒的那個土... 89 00:04:22,729 --> 00:04:24,960 土地那個土壤的土質 90 00:04:24,979 --> 00:04:26,630 要不要考察一下呀? 91 00:04:26,685 --> 00:04:29,188 像,如果你是一個房子 92 00:04:29,225 --> 00:04:30,705 下面是個流沙 93 00:04:30,705 --> 00:04:32,692 你蓋在上面,倒下來,你再蓋 94 00:04:32,692 --> 00:04:34,770 幹嘛呢?對不對? 95 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:38,507 然後,其中有兩個原因嘛 96 00:04:38,614 --> 00:04:41,225 我不是要大家要放棄 97 00:04:41,455 --> 00:04:43,569 只是要了解自己 98 00:04:43,708 --> 00:04:45,829 了解自己是很困難的 99 00:04:45,871 --> 00:04:47,406 了解自己,有時候 100 00:04:47,406 --> 00:04:50,741 比用一個謊話圓另外一個謊更困難 101 00:04:50,741 --> 00:04:51,781 真的 102 00:04:51,781 --> 00:04:53,180 然後,所以... 103 00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:55,410 第二個原因是我們自己騙了自己啊 104 00:04:55,410 --> 00:04:57,646 我以為適合當一個寫歌詞的人 105 00:04:57,646 --> 00:04:59,332 結果,原來我跌倒了 106 00:04:59,332 --> 00:05:01,124 又重新站起來,又跌倒了 107 00:05:01,124 --> 00:05:02,600 從來沒有人要過我的歌詞 108 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,403 那幹嘛呢?浪費生命嘛 109 00:05:04,946 --> 00:05:07,704 第二種可能就是我剛才說的啦 110 00:05:08,248 --> 00:05:11,390 如果這樣說還是你們沒感的話 111 00:05:11,423 --> 00:05:13,251 我就說一個有感的 112 00:05:13,894 --> 00:05:15,933 比方說,我在這裡跌倒 113 00:05:15,939 --> 00:05:17,442 我在跌倒的地方 114 00:05:17,442 --> 00:05:20,167 是我很愛很愛的人的懷抱 115 00:05:20,607 --> 00:05:23,203 可是那個人是很不很不很不愛我的 116 00:05:23,203 --> 00:05:24,894 永遠不可能愛我的 117 00:05:24,894 --> 00:05:27,671 不會說「我可能會愛你」,不可能 118 00:05:27,986 --> 00:05:29,185 (笑聲) 119 00:05:29,185 --> 00:05:32,161 你在這個愛人的懷抱裡面跌倒 120 00:05:32,161 --> 00:05:34,926 你幹嘛要堅持以後 121 00:05:34,926 --> 00:05:38,210 我還是要在她的懷抱裡面站起來呢? 122 00:05:38,732 --> 00:05:41,375 如果對我來說,我覺得最... 123 00:05:42,379 --> 00:05:44,834 最有道理的一句 124 00:05:44,943 --> 00:05:48,242 好像有負能量的一個...一個說法就是: 125 00:05:48,368 --> 00:05:51,927 你在哪裡跌倒,如果發現不適合 126 00:05:52,775 --> 00:05:57,491 用爬的都要爬出原地 127 00:05:57,895 --> 00:06:00,384 另外創一番新天地 128 00:06:00,667 --> 00:06:03,377 這個--當然這個...中間這個判斷呢 129 00:06:03,625 --> 00:06:06,562 要民俗專家來給意見 130 00:06:06,614 --> 00:06:07,810 (笑聲) 131 00:06:07,810 --> 00:06:09,317 那個難度那麼危險的動作 132 00:06:09,317 --> 00:06:11,249 普通人不要學哦 133 00:06:11,397 --> 00:06:14,711 然後...不是有一個日劇叫... 134 00:06:16,391 --> 00:06:19,418 《逃避可恥但很有用》嗎? (又譯《月薪嬌妻》) 135 00:06:19,568 --> 00:06:21,515 有看過的人,請舉手 136 00:06:22,220 --> 00:06:24,008 好,沒...沒幾個看過 137 00:06:24,008 --> 00:06:25,559 沒問題,我也沒看過 138 00:06:26,210 --> 00:06:27,550 我只是覺得那個... 139 00:06:27,577 --> 00:06:29,615 「逃避」、「可恥」、「很有用」 140 00:06:29,653 --> 00:06:31,132 這個逃避是不可恥 141 00:06:31,132 --> 00:06:32,510 可是很有用,真的 142 00:06:32,510 --> 00:06:35,114 我之所以成為今天的我 143 00:06:35,277 --> 00:06:39,261 我覺得是因為我從小就學會這個... 144 00:06:40,349 --> 00:06:41,971 有一點不要臉了 145 00:06:42,104 --> 00:06:44,385 逃避沒關係,可恥就可恥了 146 00:06:44,385 --> 00:06:45,653 你拿我怎麼辦呢? 147 00:06:45,653 --> 00:06:47,419 因為我看金庸小說那麼多 148 00:06:47,419 --> 00:06:49,207 最感動得我的場面就是 149 00:06:49,207 --> 00:06:53,323 那個小龍女跟這個...這個甚麼法王啊 150 00:06:53,945 --> 00:06:56,783 他們很認真地在...決戰 151 00:06:56,949 --> 00:06:58,863 法王呢,就很認真地 152 00:06:58,863 --> 00:07:00,211 一臉認真地,就是說: 153 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:02,999 「哼,如果妳輸了,怎麼辦?」 154 00:07:03,297 --> 00:07:05,700 小龍女呢,你們都知道嘛 155 00:07:06,219 --> 00:07:09,176 小龍女就一臉無辜的: 156 00:07:09,523 --> 00:07:12,344 「輸了就輸了,你還想怎麼樣呢?」 157 00:07:12,367 --> 00:07:14,457 欸,我覺得這態度真好 158 00:07:14,518 --> 00:07:16,430 (笑聲) 159 00:07:16,540 --> 00:07:19,188 這逃避這個輸贏的懲罰的遊戲 160 00:07:19,371 --> 00:07:21,763 可是可恥嗎?不可恥,很有用啊 161 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:24,896 你為甚麼看那個輸贏那麼重呢? 162 00:07:25,304 --> 00:07:28,861 所以我...我其實就用逃... 163 00:07:28,872 --> 00:07:31,559 等於比方說,我...我很喜歡閱讀 164 00:07:31,559 --> 00:07:33,461 我從小...我國中的時候 165 00:07:33,461 --> 00:07:35,954 就把整個《紅樓夢》看透透 166 00:07:37,212 --> 00:07:38,782 你以為我是看了那個 167 00:07:38,782 --> 00:07:40,948 甚麼「愛書才會贏」啊 168 00:07:40,948 --> 00:07:42,654 之類的公益廣告 169 00:07:42,654 --> 00:07:44,342 而受感動,然後才去看書啊? 170 00:07:44,342 --> 00:07:45,397 不是 171 00:07:45,410 --> 00:07:50,200 是因為我生長在一個家無寧日的家庭 172 00:07:51,081 --> 00:07:54,759 就一天到晚在吵架、吵架、吵架再吵架 173 00:07:55,030 --> 00:07:57,209 沒有人謙卑、謙卑再謙卑 174 00:07:57,233 --> 00:07:58,433 (笑聲) 175 00:07:58,471 --> 00:08:00,526 一整天都在做爭論節目啊 176 00:08:00,570 --> 00:08:01,968 (笑聲) 177 00:08:01,968 --> 00:08:03,686 我覺得很沒...沒有意義啊 178 00:08:03,686 --> 00:08:05,232 所以我自己就... 179 00:08:05,775 --> 00:08:08,734 與其在這一種小家庭 180 00:08:11,818 --> 00:08:14,269 小家小氣的那一種 181 00:08:14,269 --> 00:08:15,730 吵的那一些無益 182 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:19,358 與社會公益無關的...吵架 183 00:08:19,661 --> 00:08:20,988 那我倒不如 184 00:08:20,988 --> 00:08:23,660 我看大家族《紅樓夢》裡邊 185 00:08:23,660 --> 00:08:25,466 了解整個人性 186 00:08:25,554 --> 00:08:27,434 所以這個,我覺得對我來說 187 00:08:27,482 --> 00:08:29,834 訓練成為今天的我,很有關係 188 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,339 那,所謂「逃脫」嘛 189 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,185 「逃」,我的定義就是... 190 00:08:38,232 --> 00:08:41,553 「逃」──「逃脫」的「逃」,沒錯 191 00:08:41,574 --> 00:08:42,785 (笑聲) 192 00:08:43,470 --> 00:08:45,660 可是逃脫,你以為簡單嘛? 193 00:08:45,672 --> 00:08:47,164 很不容易啊 194 00:08:47,815 --> 00:08:50,438 人最難的就是改變自己 195 00:08:50,438 --> 00:08:54,288 逃脫需要很大的勇氣去改變自己 196 00:08:54,288 --> 00:08:56,726 已經適應的那個 comfort zone-- (舒適圈) 197 00:08:56,866 --> 00:08:58,488 comfort zone 是甚麼? 198 00:08:58,521 --> 00:09:00,116 對,就是 comfort zone 呀-- 199 00:09:00,438 --> 00:09:02,910 然後,超脫就是... 200 00:09:03,448 --> 00:09:05,191 「脫」,就是超脫 201 00:09:05,201 --> 00:09:06,586 甚麼叫「超脫」? 202 00:09:06,586 --> 00:09:09,221 超脫就是從本來不適合你的土壤 203 00:09:09,221 --> 00:09:11,519 我就不站起來地爬出去 204 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:13,943 爬出去以後,我就脫 205 00:09:13,943 --> 00:09:16,920 超脫了這本來不適合我的境界 206 00:09:17,088 --> 00:09:19,953 或者心境,或者環境,或者是... 207 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:25,195 甚至是社會的制度,就「脫」了 208 00:09:25,386 --> 00:09:27,991 脫也...比方說,脫衣服,我脫 209 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:29,704 脫衣服,沒別的意思 210 00:09:29,704 --> 00:09:31,855 脫衣服是很--很健康的動作 211 00:09:31,855 --> 00:09:34,100 因為脫衣服,其實就是每個人 212 00:09:34,441 --> 00:09:37,368 赤裸裸的、坦蕩蕩的面對真正的自己 213 00:09:37,487 --> 00:09:38,388 比方說我這件... 214 00:09:38,388 --> 00:09:39,958 我不脫這個衣服,你們看到... 215 00:09:39,962 --> 00:09:42,270 沒看到我的「無責任」的那個哦 216 00:09:42,361 --> 00:09:43,810 我很喜歡我那個 T-shirt 217 00:09:43,810 --> 00:09:45,260 上面的「無責任」 218 00:09:45,260 --> 00:09:47,138 剛才王琄老師也提到嘛 219 00:09:47,273 --> 00:09:49,600 要做平衡嘛:責任、無責任 220 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,510 我脫,脫下來面對我自己 221 00:09:51,510 --> 00:09:55,232 我自己最...最大的抱負,跟... 222 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:57,629 也成了一個包袱 223 00:09:57,782 --> 00:09:59,475 是甚麼呢?也就是歌詞 224 00:09:59,944 --> 00:10:01,420 我是一個太有責-- 225 00:10:01,540 --> 00:10:02,711 不對,這一邊-- 226 00:10:02,711 --> 00:10:04,111 太有責任的人 227 00:10:04,151 --> 00:10:05,644 我作為一個寫詞人 228 00:10:05,644 --> 00:10:09,231 三十幾年來從來沒有... 沒有鬆過一口氣 229 00:10:09,468 --> 00:10:10,814 好淒涼哦 230 00:10:10,825 --> 00:10:14,549 因為我給自己的那一種 種種的包袱太多 231 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:17,146 我責任感很重的 232 00:10:17,495 --> 00:10:19,234 如果沒有拖稿的時候 233 00:10:19,234 --> 00:10:20,101 然後... 234 00:10:20,231 --> 00:10:21,236 (笑聲) 235 00:10:21,236 --> 00:10:22,707 我差不多每一首作品 236 00:10:23,365 --> 00:10:25,486 真的,差不多如果... 237 00:10:25,486 --> 00:10:27,897 盡我所能,差不多每一首歌詞 238 00:10:27,897 --> 00:10:30,919 我希望都能夠改變人心 239 00:10:32,589 --> 00:10:37,224 改良藝術、提升這個文化水平 240 00:10:37,549 --> 00:10:38,554 然後... 241 00:10:38,554 --> 00:10:39,714 (笑聲) 242 00:10:39,714 --> 00:10:43,218 每一個都有經得起時間跟文學的考驗 243 00:10:43,218 --> 00:10:46,569 然後,還有...最希望就是 244 00:10:47,993 --> 00:10:52,114 能夠改變這個我們不理想的世界 245 00:10:52,134 --> 00:10:54,284 這個是真的,是衷心的 246 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:56,909 可是就因為這樣子,我往往會... 247 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,372 往往會很焦慮,往往會很緊張 248 00:11:00,396 --> 00:11:01,636 然後,有... 249 00:11:01,636 --> 00:11:05,167 我怎麼破解這樣一個焦慮症常常復發的 250 00:11:05,422 --> 00:11:08,176 然後以後寫歌詞比較輕鬆的 251 00:11:08,178 --> 00:11:09,488 就有一個故事 252 00:11:09,653 --> 00:11:12,479 這個故事很簡單,也沒甚麼 253 00:11:12,495 --> 00:11:15,432 如常,是日常,就有人來追歌詞 254 00:11:15,449 --> 00:11:16,810 然後就,他說--忽然就-- 255 00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:19,520 這歌手也不負責任呢,沒責任呢 256 00:11:19,642 --> 00:11:21,172 就忽然之間告訴我: 257 00:11:21,421 --> 00:11:23,549 「欸,等一下訪問就要唱了」 258 00:11:23,553 --> 00:11:25,262 欸,你不負責任呐 259 00:11:25,262 --> 00:11:26,890 你要唱,你早點說嘛 260 00:11:27,207 --> 00:11:29,481 提前三天預訂,好不好? 261 00:11:29,568 --> 00:11:31,169 然後今天訪問唱,我就... 262 00:11:31,205 --> 00:11:34,840 我那個焦慮症立刻就發作了 263 00:11:34,953 --> 00:11:38,279 緊張得我聽到自己的心跳的聲音 264 00:11:38,330 --> 00:11:41,261 很緊張,完全失去我所有... 265 00:11:41,324 --> 00:11:43,766 小龍女也失去所有的功力了 266 00:11:43,788 --> 00:11:44,826 (笑聲) 267 00:11:44,826 --> 00:11:46,289 就心跳、心跳,寫不來,寫不來 268 00:11:46,289 --> 00:11:48,239 很緊張,然後就差不多錯亂了 269 00:11:48,272 --> 00:11:50,828 還好,沒錯亂 270 00:11:50,828 --> 00:11:52,791 我就面對嘛:面對,然後就放下 271 00:11:53,117 --> 00:11:54,611 然後我就跟歌手講: 272 00:11:54,611 --> 00:11:56,428 「欸,欸,對不起,我又來了」 273 00:11:56,428 --> 00:11:57,876 「哦」,他們都很了解了 274 00:11:58,034 --> 00:11:59,524 「啊,那個焦慮症又來了 275 00:11:59,524 --> 00:12:00,803 啊,沒關係呀 276 00:12:00,803 --> 00:12:04,100 那我就--欸--取消這個錄音棚咧」 277 00:12:04,748 --> 00:12:07,309 欸,你看他那個口氣的尾巴 278 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:10,456 有一點話裡有話,好像不滿意的樣子 279 00:12:10,504 --> 00:12:12,397 我那麼負「責任」的人 280 00:12:12,513 --> 00:12:13,658 (笑聲) 281 00:12:13,658 --> 00:12:15,220 就很內疚了,就很內疚 282 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:16,825 然後就,更嚴重 283 00:12:17,198 --> 00:12:19,407 那後來,電話又響了 284 00:12:19,407 --> 00:12:21,107 另外一個製作人,又來了 285 00:12:21,107 --> 00:12:22,408 這個製作人哦 286 00:12:22,747 --> 00:12:24,561 跟我長期的合作以來 287 00:12:24,561 --> 00:12:26,755 我有一個經驗:他就是很龜毛的 288 00:12:26,755 --> 00:12:29,620 我們常常因為一、兩個字的選擇 289 00:12:29,873 --> 00:12:32,723 會吵架,吵一些很有意義的架 290 00:12:32,844 --> 00:12:33,918 (笑聲) 291 00:12:33,918 --> 00:12:35,372 而且吵、吵、吵,然後就: 292 00:12:35,372 --> 00:12:36,593 「啊,他又來囉」 293 00:12:36,593 --> 00:12:37,969 然後他... 294 00:12:40,307 --> 00:12:41,683 他就跟我講-- 295 00:12:41,683 --> 00:12:44,504 欸,奇怪?我以為他卡到陰,最初 296 00:12:44,651 --> 00:12:45,762 (笑聲) 297 00:12:45,762 --> 00:12:46,749 他從來... 298 00:12:46,792 --> 00:12:49,319 其實哦,也是對我是一種污辱啦 299 00:12:49,933 --> 00:12:51,920 在我一個...我曾經豪言嘛: 300 00:12:51,954 --> 00:12:53,144 「歌詞是我-- 301 00:12:53,144 --> 00:12:55,972 在我的生命的順序裡面是第一位 302 00:12:55,972 --> 00:12:57,690 第二位才是健康」 303 00:12:57,764 --> 00:12:59,560 有沒有--有沒有離譜啊? 304 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:01,183 離譜啦,不健康的 305 00:13:01,183 --> 00:13:03,463 我現在後悔了,已經晚了啊 306 00:13:03,479 --> 00:13:04,595 (笑聲) 307 00:13:04,595 --> 00:13:06,304 然後那個--那個製作人就跟我講: 308 00:13:07,741 --> 00:13:09,737 「怎麼?又來了哦? 309 00:13:09,746 --> 00:13:12,983 沒關係啊,隨便寫寫就算了嘛 310 00:13:13,369 --> 00:13:15,370 你以為是甚麼啊? 311 00:13:15,370 --> 00:13:17,588 一首歌詞而已嘛,你以為文學啊? 312 00:13:17,588 --> 00:13:19,439 你以為那個--那個... 313 00:13:19,712 --> 00:13:22,712 你寫完我就錄唄,錄完我就... 314 00:13:23,116 --> 00:13:25,106 寫完就唱啦,唱完就錄了 315 00:13:25,106 --> 00:13:27,230 錄完就密了,密了就派去電台了 316 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:30,231 派去電台就要不上榜,要不不上榜啦 317 00:13:30,772 --> 00:13:33,167 上榜、下榜,現在的甚麼歌啊 318 00:13:33,177 --> 00:13:34,653 現在,流行 319 00:13:35,967 --> 00:13:37,467 流行歌都沒有那麼流行了 320 00:13:37,467 --> 00:13:39,211 你還...還覺得甚麼? 321 00:13:39,211 --> 00:13:40,970 你以為那個留名千古 322 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:42,519 有沒有那麼嚴重啊?」 323 00:13:43,831 --> 00:13:46,400 最初我當然心裡邊有點不爽 324 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,180 我就覺得:「欸,你這樣子說 325 00:13:49,180 --> 00:13:51,680 是不是我隨便寫一個垃圾出來 326 00:13:52,698 --> 00:13:53,797 你都認為這... 327 00:13:53,797 --> 00:13:55,561 我還有這個...還有尊嚴? 328 00:13:55,872 --> 00:13:57,225 我這個行業、我整個崗位 329 00:13:57,225 --> 00:13:58,578 還有價值嗎?」 330 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:01,187 欸,可是我定下來,很奇怪 331 00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:04,895 忽然之間才留意到,自己的心沒跳 332 00:14:04,895 --> 00:14:06,565 欸,沒有,不是沒跳 333 00:14:06,565 --> 00:14:07,752 (笑聲) 334 00:14:07,752 --> 00:14:10,257 是心律正常了 335 00:14:10,277 --> 00:14:12,646 所有焦慮症的毛病 336 00:14:12,646 --> 00:14:14,404 比方說,你肌肉很緊張 337 00:14:14,404 --> 00:14:15,894 都消失了 338 00:14:16,165 --> 00:14:17,859 其實就因為甚麼? 339 00:14:17,878 --> 00:14:20,786 他用了一種反方向、逆向的思維 340 00:14:20,802 --> 00:14:22,256 就是說,比較... 341 00:14:22,256 --> 00:14:24,830 你以為是一種很負能量的 342 00:14:24,830 --> 00:14:26,836 「沒關係啊,你認為自己在幹嘛? 343 00:14:26,836 --> 00:14:29,587 你這麼的小事情 就等於寫垃圾一樣啦 344 00:14:29,721 --> 00:14:31,524 欸,甚麼、甚麼、垃圾不分... 345 00:14:33,648 --> 00:14:36,367 垃圾不分爛歌詞跟好歌詞嘛 346 00:14:36,367 --> 00:14:37,504 就是垃圾 347 00:14:37,504 --> 00:14:39,148 隨便啦,我們是那種啊」 348 00:14:40,542 --> 00:14:43,951 他用一種最殘酷的一個安慰的方法 349 00:14:43,951 --> 00:14:45,851 反而平伏了 350 00:14:45,851 --> 00:14:50,209 而且成為以後我壓力太大 351 00:14:50,209 --> 00:14:55,262 以致於我本來想求完美、一百分 352 00:14:55,262 --> 00:15:00,302 結果因為這個焦慮變成只有八十分 353 00:15:00,724 --> 00:15:03,127 成了一個我常常提醒自己 354 00:15:03,459 --> 00:15:04,944 甚麼方法、甚麼口訣? 355 00:15:04,944 --> 00:15:08,483 很簡單,比這個佛經要簡單很多 356 00:15:08,686 --> 00:15:12,522 比「面對、放下、接受」更簡單 357 00:15:12,523 --> 00:15:17,312 就是:不過是一個歌詞,盡情去踩 358 00:15:17,451 --> 00:15:20,645 不過是一個歌詞、不過是一個愛人 359 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:25,117 不過是一個可能永遠沒辦法實現的理想 360 00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:27,013 不過是甚麼、甚麼 361 00:15:27,124 --> 00:15:29,172 不過甚麼都不是甚麼 362 00:15:29,608 --> 00:15:32,702 然後你就會覺得: 363 00:15:32,702 --> 00:15:35,167 哎呀,踩得那麼扁,太可憐了 364 00:15:35,167 --> 00:15:38,919 如果你真的沒有認錯你的目標 365 00:15:38,953 --> 00:15:41,708 它是真的你一生所愛 366 00:15:41,967 --> 00:15:43,446 哪怕是夢想、愛人 367 00:15:43,446 --> 00:15:46,724 或者是你的貢獻、角色 368 00:15:47,122 --> 00:15:48,699 你就會可憐: 369 00:15:48,699 --> 00:15:51,893 哎呀,踩得那麼扁,你還好好嗎? 370 00:15:51,932 --> 00:15:53,362 你好的話 371 00:15:53,466 --> 00:15:57,838 我就重新以一種比較沒有壓力的狀態-- 372 00:15:57,971 --> 00:15:59,695 這個我覺得是,就是-- 373 00:15:59,726 --> 00:16:03,917 你重重放下,輕輕舉起 374 00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:06,879 然後,其實就很簡單: 375 00:16:07,686 --> 00:16:09,441 三個字、兩句話-- 376 00:16:09,441 --> 00:16:10,324 欸,不是 377 00:16:10,324 --> 00:16:12,112 六個字,兩句話: 378 00:16:12,233 --> 00:16:14,627 「想要逃,先要脫」 379 00:16:14,718 --> 00:16:16,278 謝謝各位 380 00:16:16,381 --> 00:16:17,765 (掌聲)