0:00:00.061,0:00:01.429 (루이지애나 채널) 0:00:01.429,0:00:02.708 -조나단 사프란 포어-[br]소설, 시(詩)에서 배워야 0:00:02.708,0:00:06.502 흔히들 문학이[br]죽었다고들 하죠 0:00:06.502,0:00:09.021 이 얘기는 세상에[br]첫 문학 작품이 0:00:09.021,0:00:11.880 등장한 이후로[br]줄곧 있어왔죠 0:00:11.880,0:00:14.414 하지만 점점 더[br]자주 얘기되고 있어요 0:00:14.414,0:00:19.136 독자수가 줄어든 게[br]큰 영향을 끼쳤죠 0:00:19.136,0:00:23.213 문학에 대한 무관심과, 0:00:23.213,0:00:31.920 불안, 심지어 문학에 대한[br]불신이 불을 지폈죠 0:00:33.273,0:00:36.135 스크린에 대한 의존도와 0:00:36.135,0:00:39.476 스크린으로 이야기가 [br]넘어간 상황에서 0:00:39.476,0:00:41.797 책은 피차 스크린과[br]잘 어울리지 않잖아요 0:00:41.797,0:00:44.321 스크린으로 책을[br]읽는데 무리는 없지만, 0:00:44.321,0:00:45.459 스크린으로 책을 읽는 동안 0:00:45.475,0:00:49.801 이메일, 캘린더, 문자가[br]화면에 뜨는 와중에 0:00:49.801,0:00:52.665 책은 그런 것들과[br]비길 수가 없죠 0:00:52.665,0:00:56.384 그러니 '앞으로 사람들이[br]책을 읽을까?' 궁금할 수 밖에요 0:00:56.384,0:01:01.774 그래도 전 여전히 앞으로도[br]문학만이 할 수 있는 일, 0:01:01.774,0:01:06.506 문학으로만 주고 받을 수[br]있는 것이 있다고 믿어요 0:01:06.506,0:01:09.773 딱히 문학이 다른 매체보다[br]뛰어나다고 생각진 않아요 0:01:09.773,0:01:12.354 영화, 무용, 음악 같은[br]다른 예술 말예요 0:01:13.154,0:01:17.029 실은 전 개인적으로[br]문학보다는 0:01:17.029,0:01:19.061 영화, 무용에 종종[br]더 끌리곤 해요 0:01:19.061,0:01:21.056 하지만 인생의[br]어떤 순간들에는 0:01:21.056,0:01:25.084 오로지 문학만이 [br]필요한 순간이 있죠 0:01:25.084,0:01:28.619 예를 들면, 저의 가장[br]오랜 친구의 어머니가 0:01:28.634,0:01:30.013 일주일 전 쯤에[br]돌아가셨어요 0:01:30.013,0:01:32.940 뉴욕에서 워싱턴 DC로[br]친구를 보러 내려갔죠 0:01:33.355,0:01:38.583 어떤 말을 해야할지[br]꽤나 고심했어요 0:01:38.583,0:01:42.145 어쩔 줄 모르거나 고통스런[br]침묵의 순간이 있을테니까요 0:01:42.898,0:01:48.079 그래서 스무 개 정도의[br]시를 갖고 갔어요 0:01:48.079,0:01:50.410 친구에게 그 시들을 [br]읽어주고 함께 대화했죠 0:01:51.025,0:01:54.097 물론 저보단 친구가 더[br]그랬겠지만, 0:01:54.097,0:01:58.068 우린 그 순간에 함께[br]직면한 거에요 0:01:58.068,0:02:03.954 죽음이란 인생의 가장[br]거대한 순간을요 0:02:05.507,0:02:07.254 시에 기대어서요 0:02:07.500,0:02:12.489 시나 소설은 제법[br]큰 도움이 돼요 0:02:13.473,0:02:18.760 우리가 표현할 말을[br]절실히 필요로 할 때요 0:02:18.760,0:02:22.757 절박하고 긴급한[br]실존의 순간 말이에요 0:02:24.311,0:02:28.981 소설은 몇 시간, 며칠에[br]걸쳐서 읽도록 되어있죠 0:02:28.981,0:02:34.611 단편 이야기도 적어도[br]한 시간 반은 걸려요 0:02:34.611,0:02:39.174 친구가 그런 시간을 할애할[br]여력이 있을까 싶었어요 0:02:39.174,0:02:40.835 그래서 짧은 읽을 거리가[br]필요했어요 0:02:40.835,0:02:43.904 이유가 그랬다 한들[br]사실 시 자체가 0:02:43.904,0:02:47.213 가장 응축된 형태의[br]문학이자, 0:02:47.213,0:02:48.951 어찌보면 가장 순수한[br]형태의 문학이죠 0:02:50.690,0:02:55.530 소설이 시보다[br]못하다고 생각진 않아요 0:02:55.530,0:02:59.743 하지만 소설이 시로부터[br]배울 점이 많아요 0:02:59.743,0:03:03.928 가능성이 열려있고[br]직접적이며, 0:03:03.928,0:03:06.547 농축된 언어를[br]보여주니까요 0:03:06.547,0:03:09.380 얼마나 마음을 울리고[br]여진을 남기는 지도요 0:03:09.380,0:03:11.527 가끔 소설은 지나치게 0:03:11.527,0:03:15.320 줄거리가 되어버리곤 해요 0:03:15.643,0:03:18.494 누군가 "그 책은 어떤 책이야?"[br]라고 묻는다면, 0:03:20.262,0:03:23.089 제 꿈은 누군가로 하여금 이런 대답이[br]나오게 하는 소설을 쓰는 거죠 0:03:23.779,0:03:26.281 "뭐 어찌어찌 말해볼 순[br]있겠지만, 그건 아닌 거 같아, 0:03:26.281,0:03:27.319 그냥 네가 직접 읽어봐야 해" 0:03:27.319,0:03:28.741 제겐 그게 좋은 소설의[br]지표죠 0:03:28.741,0:03:31.815 시놉시스 그 자체인, 0:03:31.815,0:03:34.263 그 시놉시스가 조금 더[br]확장된 판의 소설요 0:03:35.063,0:03:37.653 텔레비전과 상당히[br]흡사하죠 0:03:39.006,0:03:43.415 소설도 시가 해내는 걸[br]할 수 있어요 0:03:43.415,0:03:48.902 신비하고도[br]형언 할 수 없으며, 0:03:48.902,0:03:52.487 좀처럼 뻔하지 않되,[br]범위가 더 넓을 뿐이죠 0:03:53.290,0:03:57.491 사는 내내 전 문학보단[br]비주얼 아트에 더 끌렸어요 0:03:57.491,0:04:02.054 심지어 제가 왜 작가가 0:04:03.536,0:04:05.837 되고 싶었는지 기억이[br]나지 않는 순간에도 0:04:06.344,0:04:10.512 전 책이 아니라 그림이나[br]조각을 보러 가곤 해요 0:04:10.767,0:04:14.471 0:04:14.471,0:04:22.198 0:04:22.874,0:04:27.095 0:04:27.556,0:04:29.758 0:04:29.758,0:04:32.857 0:04:32.857,0:04:36.287 0:04:37.017,0:04:39.055 0:04:39.055,0:04:41.668 0:04:41.668,0:04:44.878 0:04:44.878,0:04:48.247 0:04:48.247,0:04:50.853 0:04:51.499,0:04:54.506 0:04:54.506,0:04:57.584 0:04:58.353,0:04:59.806 0:04:59.806,0:05:02.180 0:05:03.087,0:05:05.324 0:05:06.617,0:05:07.911 0:05:07.911,0:05:09.580 0:05:10.149,0:05:14.253 0:05:14.683,0:05:16.151 0:05:16.152,0:05:19.407 0:05:19.407,0:05:20.522 0:05:21.691,0:05:23.067 0:05:23.067,0:05:28.225 0:05:28.225,0:05:32.721 0:05:34.105,0:05:36.609 0:05:36.609,0:05:37.893 0:05:37.893,0:05:39.239 0:05:39.239,0:05:40.646 0:05:41.199,0:05:43.398 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