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Our main story tonight

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is government surveillance.

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And I realize most people

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would rather have a conversation

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about literally any other topic.

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Including: 'Is my smartphone

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giving me cancer?

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To which the answer is: probably.

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Or: Do goldfish suffer from depression?

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To which the answer is:

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Yes, but very briefly.

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But the fact is...

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it is vital

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that we have a discussion about this now.

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Because an important date is just around the corner.

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One big day to circle on the calendar,

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when it comes to a very controversial subject.

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The re-authorization of the Patriot Act,

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and all of the controversial

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provisions therein.

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June 1 they've got to come to an agreement

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to re-authorize or curttail those programs.

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Yes. Some controversial provisions within

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the Patriot Act are set to expire

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on June 1.

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So circle that date

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on your calendars, everyone.

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And while you're at it:

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Circle June 2 as well.

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Because that's Justin Long's birthday.

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You all forgot last year...

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and he f*cking noticed.

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Now, over the last couple of years,

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you've probably heard a lot about

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strange-sounding programs. Such as:

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X-Keyscore, Muscular, Prism, and Mystic.

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Which are, coincidentally, also the names

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of some of Florida's

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least popular stripclubs.

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"Welcome to X-Keyscore!

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Our dancers are fully un-redacted

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and Tuesday is wing-night!"

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But if you don't mind, I would like

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to refresh your memory over some of this.

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And let's start our focussing on the most

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controversial portion of the Patriot Act

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that is up for renewal:

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Section 215.

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Which, I'm aware, sounds like the name

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of an Eastern European boy-band.

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"We are Section 215."

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"Prepare to have your hearts..."

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"throbbed."

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There's the cute one, the bad-boy,

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the one who strangled a potato-farmer,

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and the one without an iron-deficiency.

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They're incredible.

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But the content of the real Section 215

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is actually even more sinister.

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It's called Section 215.

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Nicknamed: the library records provision.

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Which allows the Government to require

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businesses to hand over records of any

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"any tangible things"

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including: books, records, papers,

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documents, and other items.

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If that sounds broad, it's because

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it was very much written that way.

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Section 215 says the Government can ask

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for "any tangible things" so long as it's

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"for an investigation to protect

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against international terrorism".

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Which is basically a blank cheque.

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It's letting a teenager borrow the car,

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under the strict condition that they

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only use it for 'car-related activities'.

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"Okay, mom and dad, I'm gonna use this

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for a hand-job in a Wendy's parking lot,

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but that is car-related,

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so I think I'm covered."

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Section 215 is overseen

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by a secret intelligence-court,

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known as the FISA-court.

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And they've interpreted it to mean

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the Government could basically

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collect and store phone-records for

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every American.

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The vast majority of whom, of course, have

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no connection to terrorism.

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Unless, Aunt Cheryl has been gravely

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mis-characterizing the activities

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of her needle-point club.

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"It's a sleeper-cell!"

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"Isn't is, Aunt Cheryl?"

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"You will hang for this, Aunt Cheryl.

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You're a traiter and a terrible aunt.

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Not in that order."

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Now, the Government will point out

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that under 215, they hold phone-records,

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and not the calls themselves.

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What the intelligence-community is doing,

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is looking at phone-numbers,

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and durations of calls,

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they are not looking at peoples names,

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and they are not looking at content.

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Yes, but that's not entirely reassuring.

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Because you can extrapolate a lot

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from that information.

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If they knew that you'd called your ex

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12 times last night, between 1 and 4 AM,

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for a duration of 15 minutes each time,

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they can be fairly sure that you left

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some pretty pathetic voice-mails.

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"I don't care

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whose monitoring this call, Vicky."

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"We should be together!"

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Pick up the phone, dammit!

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I'm a human being, not an animal!"

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Now, the Patriot-act was written

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just after 9-11.

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And for years it was extended

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and re-authorized

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with barely a passing thought.

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In fact, it became so routine,

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that when it was extended in 2011,

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one newscast just tacked it

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onto the end of a report

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about a Presidential trip abroad.

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Chip Reid. CBS-news.

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Travelling with the President

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in Deauville, France.

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Also in France, by the way,

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President Obama signed in a law,

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4- year extension

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of the terrorism fighting Patriot-Act.

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Also in France, by the way?

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By the way?

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He threw that in,

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like a mother telling her grown daughter

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that a childhood pet just died.

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"Oh, nice talking to you, sweety.

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Also, by the way, Mr. Peppers is dead.

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See you at Christmas." BANG

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But all of that,

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was before the public was made aware

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of what the Government's capabilities

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actually were.

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'Cause that all ended in June of 2013.

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Edward Snowden has just

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taken responsibility for one of the

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biggest government leaks in US history.

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We learned that the government has the

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capacity to track virtually every American

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phone-call, and to scoop up

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impossibly vast quantities of data

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across the internet.

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Revelations that the NSA eavesdropped

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on world leaders.

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If you've ever been to the Bahamas,

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the NSA could've recorded your phone-calls

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and stored them up to a month.

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All that information was exposed

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by Edward Snowden.

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And it is still kind of incredible,

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that a 29-year-old contractor

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was able to steal top-secret documents

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from an organization

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that LITERALLY has the word 'security'

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in it's name.

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Clearly, that was not great for them.

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Because the only place where it should

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be THAT easy

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for employees in their 20-ies to steal

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is a Lids store.

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"Dude, you sure we should take this?"

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"Relax, dude, it's a Miami Marlins-cap,

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we're not exactly selling

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Fabergé eggs here."

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It is still unclear,

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exactly how many documents

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Edward Snowden stole.

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Although he is consistently trying

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to re-assure people that he put them

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in good hands.

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Honestly, I don't want to be the person

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making the decisions about what should

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be public and what shouldn't.

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Which is why I

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rather than publishing these on my own

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or putting them out openly,

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I'm running them through journalists.

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Well, that sounds great.

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But of course it's not a fail-safe plan.

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As was proven when the New York Times

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published this slide,

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but did such a sloppy job

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of blocking out redacted information,

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that some people were able to read

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the information behind that black bar,

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which concerned how the US was monitoring

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Al Qaida in Mosul.

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A group now known as ISIS.

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So essentially,

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a national security secret was leaked,

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because no-one at the Times

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knows how to use Microsoft Paint.

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And look, you can think

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that Snowden did the wrong thing, or

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did it in the wrong way.

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But the fact is:

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we have this information now,

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and we no longer get the luxury

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of pleading ignorance.

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It's like you can't go to Sea World

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and pretend that Shamu's happy anymore.

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When we now know

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at least half the water in her tank

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is whale-tears.

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We know that now.

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You can't un-know that information.

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So you have to bear that in mind.

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But here's the thing:

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It's now 2 years later,

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and it seems like we've kind of

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forgotten to have a debate

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over the content of what Snowden leaked.

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A recent Pew-report found that nearly

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half of Americans say that they're

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'not very concerned'

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or 'not at all concerned'

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about government surveillance.

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Which is fine.

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If that's an informed opinion.

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But I'm not sure that it is.

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Because we actually sent a camera-crew

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to Times Square to ask

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some random passers by

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who Edward Snowden was

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and what he did.

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And there are the responses that we got.

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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

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Have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

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I've heard the name, I just can't picture,

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think right now exactly what it is.

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Edward Snowden...

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No. I do not.

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Just for the record, that wasn't

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that wasn't cherry picking.

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That was entirely reflective

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of everyone we spoke to.

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Although, to be fair

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some people did remember his name,

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they just couldn't remember why.

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He sold some information to people.

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He revealed some information

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that shouldn't have been revealed.

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I think from what I remember,

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is that the information that he shared

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was detrimental to our military secrets?

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And keeping our soldiers and our country

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safe?

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He leaked documents what the Army's

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operations in Iraq.

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Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of

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of secrets, I guess, or information

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into Wiki, Wikileaks?

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Edward Snowden leaked...

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Ah, he's in charge of Wikileaks?

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Edward Snowden revealed a lot of

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documents through Wikileaks...?

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Okay, so here's the thing:

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Edward Snowden is NOT the Wikileaks guy.

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The Wikileaks guy is Julian Assange.

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And you do not want

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to be confused with him.

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Partly because he was far less careful

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than Snowden in what he released,

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and how.

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And partly because he resembles

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a sandwich-bag full of biscuit-dough

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wearing a Stevie Nicks-wig.

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And that is, that is ciritical.

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Julian Assange is not a like-able man.

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Even Benedict Cumberbatch could not

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make him like-able.

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He's un-Cumberbatch-able.

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That was supposed to be

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physically impossible.

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But I don't blame people

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for being confused.

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We've been looking at this story

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for the last 2 weeks,

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and it is hard to get your head around.

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Not just because there are so many

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complicated programs to keep track of,

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but also because

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there are no easy answers here.

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We all naturally want perfect privacy,

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and perfect safety.

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But those 2 things cannot coexist.

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It's like how you can't have

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a badass pet falcon...

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and an adorable pet vole named Herbert.

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Either you have to lose one of them,

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which obviously you don't want to do.

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Or you have to accept some reasonable

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restrictions on both of them.

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Now to be fair, the NSA will argue

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that just because they can do something

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doesn't mean they do do it.

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And, that there are restrictions

0:09:55.424,0:09:57.039
on their operations,

0:09:57.039,0:09:58.368
such as the FISA-court,

0:09:58.368,0:10:00.587
which must approve requests for

0:10:00.587,0:10:01.692
foreign surveillance.

0:10:01.692,0:10:02.318
But.

0:10:02.318,0:10:04.775
In 34 years, that court has approved

0:10:04.775,0:10:07.116
over 35000 applications,

0:10:07.116,0:10:09.146
and only rejected 12.

0:10:10.101,0:10:12.677
Yes. Much like Robert Durst's second wife.

0:10:12.677,0:10:16.156
The FISA-court is alarmingly accepting.

0:10:16.156,0:10:18.073
"Listen, Robert"

0:10:18.073,0:10:20.399
"I'm not gonna ask you too many questions.

0:10:20.399,0:10:22.456
I'm just gonna give you the benefit of a

0:10:22.456,0:10:24.302
doubt that you clearly don't deserve."

0:10:24.302,0:10:27.522
At least tell him to blink and burp less.

0:10:29.366,0:10:31.980
The burping might be the most troubling

0:10:31.980,0:10:33.740
thing about that show.

0:10:35.403,0:10:38.052
So, so maybe there's time for us to talk.

0:10:38.052,0:10:39.961
About where the limits should be.

0:10:39.961,0:10:41.971
And the best place to start would be

0:10:41.984,0:10:43.840
Section 215.

0:10:43.840,0:10:45.501
Not just because it's the easiest one

0:10:45.501,0:10:46.514
to understand,

0:10:46.514,0:10:47.968
but there is wide-spread agreement

0:10:47.968,0:10:49.634
it needs to be reformed.

0:10:49.634,0:10:51.595
From the President, to Ted Cruz,

0:10:51.595,0:10:54.469
to both the ACLU and the NRA,

0:10:54.469,0:10:55.510
to even the guy

0:10:55.510,0:10:57.760
who wrote the thing in the first place.

0:10:57.760,0:10:59.094
I was the principal author

0:10:59.094,0:11:00.212
of the Patriot Act.

0:11:00.212,0:11:03.461
I can say that without qualification

0:11:03.461,0:11:06.337
Congress never did intend to allow

0:11:06.337,0:11:07.601
bulk-collections

0:11:07.601,0:11:09.273
when it passed Section 215.

0:11:09.273,0:11:11.650
And no fair reading of the text

0:11:11.650,0:11:13.887
would allow for this program.

0:11:13.887,0:11:15.148
Think about that.

0:11:15.148,0:11:16.515
He was the author.

0:11:16.515,0:11:18.343
That's the legislative equivalent

0:11:18.343,0:11:20.391
of Lewis Carroll seeing the tea-cups ride

0:11:20.391,0:11:21.702
at Disney Land, and saying:

0:11:21.702,0:11:23.607
"This has got to be reined in.

0:11:23.607,0:11:25.297
No fair reading of my text

0:11:25.297,0:11:26.997
would allow for this ride."

0:11:27.195,0:11:28.750
"You've turned my perfectly nice

0:11:28.750,0:11:30.238
tail of psychedelic paedofilia

0:11:30.238,0:11:32.368
into a garish vomitorium."

0:11:34.112,0:11:35.792
"This is not what I wanted!"

0:11:37.280,0:11:39.157
And even the NSA has said

0:11:39.157,0:11:40.524
that the number of terror-plots

0:11:40.524,0:11:42.109
in the US, that the Section 215

0:11:42.109,0:11:45.749
phone-records program has disrupted is 1.

0:11:45.749,0:11:47.564
And it's worth noting:

0:11:47.564,0:11:49.046
that one particular plot

0:11:49.046,0:11:51.420
involved a cabdriver in San Diego

0:11:51.420,0:11:54.430
who gave $8500 to a terror-group.

0:11:54.430,0:11:56.858
And that is the shittiest terrorist-plot

0:11:56.858,0:11:57.917
I've ever seen,

0:11:57.917,0:11:59.333
other than the plot of

0:11:59.333,0:12:01.433
A Good Day To Die Hard.

0:12:02.183,0:12:04.378
But here's the big problem here:

0:12:04.378,0:12:06.626
If we let Section 215 get renewed

0:12:06.626,0:12:08.059
in it's current form,

0:12:08.059,0:12:09.571
without serious public debate,

0:12:09.571,0:12:10.991
we're in trouble.

0:12:10.991,0:12:12.132
Because Section 215

0:12:12.132,0:12:13.183
is the canary in the coal-mine.

0:12:13.183,0:12:14.342
If we cannot fix that,

0:12:14.342,0:12:16.354
we're not gonna fix any of them.

0:12:16.354,0:12:18.563
And the public debate so far,

0:12:18.563,0:12:20.956
has been absolutely pathetic.

0:12:20.956,0:12:23.233
A year ago, a former congresswoman

0:12:23.233,0:12:25.823
was discussing the 215 program on the news.

0:12:25.823,0:12:27.405
Watch wat happened.

0:12:27.405,0:12:29.147
This vast collection of data

0:12:29.147,0:12:31.533
is not that useful

0:12:31.533,0:12:34.414
and infringes substantially

0:12:34.414,0:12:35.496
on personal privacy.

0:12:35.496,0:12:37.601
I think at this point we should

0:12:37.601,0:12:41.916
seriously consider not continuing...

0:12:41.916,0:12:44.791
Congress woman Harmen, let me interru..

0:12:44.791,0:12:47.111
Let me interrupt you just for one moment.

0:12:47.111,0:12:48.611
We've got some breaking news out of Miami.

0:12:48.611,0:12:50.411
Stand by if you will.

0:12:50.411,0:12:52.211
Right now in Miami

0:12:52.211,0:12:53.137
Justin Beiber

0:12:53.137,0:12:54.916
has been arrested on a number of charges.

0:12:54.916,0:12:57.097
The judge is reading the charges,

0:12:57.097,0:12:58.844
including resisting arrest

0:12:58.844,0:13:00.493
and driving under the influence.

0:13:00.493,0:13:01.895
He's appearing now before the judge

0:13:01.895,0:13:02.787
for his bond-hearing.

0:13:02.787,0:13:03.547
Let's watch.

0:13:07.683,0:13:09.017
Actually, you know what?

0:13:09.017,0:13:11.014
Bad news, we're gonna have to interrupt

0:13:11.014,0:13:12.719
your interruption of the Beiber news,

0:13:12.719,0:13:14.109
for a new interruption.

0:13:14.109,0:13:16.184
This time featuring a YouTube video of a

0:13:16.184,0:13:18.596
tortoise having sex with a plastic clog.

0:13:18.596,0:13:19.346
Let's watch.

0:13:30.564,0:13:33.075
That. Is essentially the current tone

0:13:33.075,0:13:34.925
of this vitally important debate.

0:13:38.478,0:13:40.649
And again: I'm not saying this is

0:13:40.649,0:13:42.366
an easy conversation.

0:13:42.366,0:13:43.913
But we have to have it.

0:13:43.913,0:13:45.395
I know this is confusing.

0:13:45.395,0:13:47.453
And unfortunately, the most obvious

0:13:47.453,0:13:48.840
person to talk to about this,

0:13:48.840,0:13:50.078
is Edward Snowden.

0:13:50.078,0:13:51.677
But he currently lives in Russia.

0:13:51.677,0:13:52.909
Meaning, if you wanted

0:13:52.909,0:13:54.704
to ask him about any of these issues,

0:13:54.704,0:13:56.576
you'd have to fly all the way there

0:13:56.576,0:13:58.906
to do it, and it is not a pleasant flight.

0:13:59.710,0:14:01.440
And the reason I know that...

0:14:02.040,0:14:03.955
is that last week, I went to Russia

0:14:03.955,0:14:05.645
to speak to Edward Snowden.

0:14:06.190,0:14:07.810
And this is what happened.

0:14:10.198,0:14:13.161
Yes, last week I spent 48 paranoid hours

0:14:13.161,0:14:14.370
in Moscow.

0:14:14.370,0:14:16.243
Arguably the last place on earth

0:14:16.243,0:14:17.293
where you can find

0:14:17.296,0:14:19.211
an overweight Josef Stalin impersonator

0:14:19.211,0:14:21.941
arguing with an unconvincing fake Lenin.

0:14:22.786,0:14:24.451
And after experiencing Russia's

0:14:24.451,0:14:25.945
Russia's famously warm hospitality,

0:14:25.945,0:14:27.924
I went to meet Edward Snowden.

0:14:27.924,0:14:30.024
Who is supposed to show up in this room

0:14:30.024,0:14:31.097
at noon.

0:14:31.097,0:14:32.658
However, after 5 minutes after

0:14:32.658,0:14:34.556
the interview was scheduled to begin,

0:14:34.556,0:14:38.736
I had a troubling thought.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I don't know.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You think he's coming?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause my argument is:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Why would he?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
When you think about it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I got 2000 roebels that says

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
he doesn't make it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Without understanding how much that is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
All I'm saying is...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a 10-hour flight for an empty chair...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm gonna lose my shit.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay, it turns out that there may be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a bit of a problem.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause our Russian producer...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
booked us in a room

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
directly overlooking...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the old KGB-building.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And the home of the current

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Federal Security Bureau.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And I'm just been told that they know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we're here.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So uhm...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So that happened.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Uhm, just if the Russian...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Russian KGB is listening:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we'll ring the fire-alarm

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if he's not coming.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Oh shit.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Oh God.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-So sorry for the delay.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's fine.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
HOLY SHIT.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
He actually came.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward f*cking Snowden.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The most famous here and/or traitor

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in recent American history!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And I've started with a question designed

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to test his loyalties.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
How much do you miss America?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know, my country is something

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-that travels with me, you know.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It's not just a geogro...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well that's already

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a way too complicated answer.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The right answer is:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I miss it a lot, it's the greatest

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
country in the world.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I do miss my country.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I do miss my home, I do miss my family.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Do you miss hot pockets?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I miss hot pockets. Very much.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay. The entire state of Florida?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Let's just let that silence

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
hang in the air.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Truck nuts?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You miss truck nuts?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I don't know what they are.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Lucky for you, Edward...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Not just truck nuts.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Stars and stripes truck nuts.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That is 2 balls of liberty

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in a freedom sack.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You really thought ahead.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well, at least one of us did.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know, 'cause of the... uhm...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the quandary... the...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Kafka-esque nightmare that you're in.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay. Let's dive in.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Why did you do this?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-The NSA has the greatest surveillance

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
capabilities that we've ever seen

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in history.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Now, what they will argue

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is that they don't use this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for nefarious purposes against

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
American citizens.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
In some ways that's true.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But the real problem is that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they're using these capabilities

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to make us vulnerable to them,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and then saying:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
While I've got a gun pointed at your head,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm not going to pull the trigger.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Trust me.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So, what does the NSA you want look like?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause you applied for a job at the NSA.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So you clearly see an inherent value

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in that shadowy organization.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I worked with mass-surveillance systems

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
against Chinese hackers.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I saw, that you know, these things

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do have some purpose.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And you want your spies to be good

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at spying.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
To be fair.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
What you don't want...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is you don't want them spying inside

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their own country.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Spies are great when they're on our side.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But we can never forget that they're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
incredibly powerful,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and incredibly dangerous,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and when they're off the leash...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they can end up coming after us.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But just to be clear, we're talking about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
2 different things here.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Domestic surveillance,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and foreign surveillance.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause domestic surveillance...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Americans give some of a shit about.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Foreign surveillance...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they don't give any remote shit about.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well the second question is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when we talk about foreign surveillance

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are we applying it in ways that are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
beneficial...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No-one cares.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
In terms...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No. They don't give a shit.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We spied on UNICEF.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The children's fund.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Sure.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We spied on lawyers negotiating...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
What was UNICEF doing?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I mean, that's the question there.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Isn't it?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The question is:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
are these projects valuable?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Are we going to be safer when we're spying

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on UNICEF and lawyers who are talking about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the price of shrimp and clove cigarettes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I don't think people say that's good.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think they'll say:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I definitely don't care.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Americans do not give a shit.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think you're right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
About foreign surveillance.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
What some people do care about

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is whether Snowden considered

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the adverse consequences of leaking

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
so much information at once.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
How many of those documents

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
have you actually read.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I've evaluated all the documents

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that are in the archive.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You've read every single one?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I do understand what I've turned over.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But there's a difference between

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
understanding what's in the documents

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and reading what's in the documents.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I recognized the concern.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause when you're handing over

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thousands of NSA documents,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the last thing you want to do

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is read them.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think it's fair to be concerned about,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'did this person do enough?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
were they careful enough?'

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Especially when you're handling material

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like we know you are handling.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well, in my defense:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm not handling anything anymore.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's been passed to the journalists,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and they're using extraordinary

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
security measures that this is reported

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the most responsible way.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But, those are journalists

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
with a lower technical skill-set than you.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's true,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but then they do understand

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just like you and I do.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Just how important it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to get this right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So the New York Times took a slide,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
didn't redact it properly...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the end it was possible

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for people to see that something

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was being used in Mosul.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
On Al'Qaida.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That is a problem.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well, that's a f*ck-up.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It is a f*ck-up.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And these things do happen in reporting.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
In journalism we have to accept

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that some mistakes will be made.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This is a fundamental concept of liberty.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But you have to own that then.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You're giving documents with imformation

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you know could be harmful...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
which could get out there.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If people act in bad faith.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You're not even talking about bad faith.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You're talking about incompetents.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We are.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But you will never be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
completely free from risk,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if you're free.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The only time you can be free from risk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is when you're in prison.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
While the risks were significant,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Snowden himself has made it clear.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
He feels the rewards have been worth it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You've said in you letters to Brasil:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"I was motivated by a believe that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the citizens of the world deserve to

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
understand the system in which they live.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
My greatest fear was that no-one

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
would listen to my warning.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Never have I been so glad

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to have been so wrong."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
How did that feel?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I was initially terrified that this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was going to be a 3 day story,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everybody was going to forget about it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But when I saw that...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everybody around the world said:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"Wow, this is a problem.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We have to do something about this",

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it felt like vindication.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Even in America?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Even in America.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And I think we're seeing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
something amazing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Which is if you ask... the American people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to make tough decisions,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to confront tough issues,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to think about hard problems...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they'll actually surprise you.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Here's the problem:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I did ask some Americans.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And, boy did it surprise me.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You've never heard of Edward Snowden?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I've heard the name...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I just can't picture and think right now

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
exactly who it is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well, he's... uhm...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
He sold some information to people.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
He revealed some information

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that shouldn't have been revealed.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward Snowden revealed a lot of documents

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
through Wikileaks.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward Snowden revealed a bunch

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of secrets, I guess...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or information into Wikileaks.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward Snowden leaked... uhm...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
he's in charge of Wikileaks.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm in charge of Wikileaks.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Not ideal.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I guess, on the plus side...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you might be able to go home.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause it seems like no-one knows

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who the f*ck you are.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Or what the f*ck you did.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We can't except everybody to be uniformly

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
informed.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So, did you do this to solve a problem?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I did this to give the American people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a chance to decide for themselves

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the kind of government they want to have.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That is a conversation that I think that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the American people deserve to decide.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
There is no doubt that it is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a critical conversation.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But is it a conversation that we have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the capacity to have?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Because it's so complicated.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We don't fundamentally understand it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It is a challenging conversation.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I mean, it's difficult for most people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to even conceptualize.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The problem is,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the internet is massively complex,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and so much of it is invisible.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Service providers, technicians, engineers,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the phonenumbers....

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Let me stop you right there, Edward.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause this is the whole problem.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This is the whole problem.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I just, I glaze over.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause it's like the IT-guy

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
comes into your office,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and you go: "Ooh shit."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
In fairness...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"Ooh shit, don't teach me anything."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"I don't want to learn."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"You smell like canned soup."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's a real challenge to figure out

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
how do we communicate

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
things that require sort of years and years

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of technical understanding.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And compress that into seconds of speech.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So, I'm sympathetic to the problem there.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But the thing is,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
everything you did only matters

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if we have this conversation properly.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So let me help you out there.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You mentioned in an interview

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that the NSA was passing around

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
naked photo's of people.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yeah. This is something where it's...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's not actually seen as a big deal.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
In the culture of NSA.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Because you see naked pictures

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
all of the time.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Terrifies people.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause when we asked people about THAT...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
this is the response you get.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The Government should not be able

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to look at dick-pictures.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If the Government was looking at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a picture of Gordon's penis,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I definitely feel it would be an invasion

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of my privacy.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Ah, yeah, if the Government was looking at

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
pictures of my penis, that would upset me.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They should never, ever,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the US Government have a picture,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of my dick.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If my husband sent me

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a picture of his penis,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and the Government could access it,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I would want that program to be shut down.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I would want the Dick-pic Program changed.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I would also want

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Dick-pic Program changed.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think it would be terrific,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if the program could change.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I would want it to be tweeked,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I would want it to have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
clear and transparent laws

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that we knew about.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And that were communicated to us.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
To understand what they

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
were being used for.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Or why the were being kept.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Do you think that program exists?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I don't.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I don't think that program exists at all.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If I had knowledge that the US Government

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
had a picture of my dick...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I would be very pissed off.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The good news is that there's no

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
program named 'the Dick-pic Program'.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The bad news is that they're still

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
collecting everybody's information.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Including your dick-pics.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
What's the over/under of that last guy

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sent a dick-pic recently?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You don't need to guess.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'll show you.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I did.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I did take a picture of my... dick.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And I sent it to a girl. Recently.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This is the most visible line in the sand

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for people.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"Can they see my dick?"

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So, with that in mind...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
look inside that folder.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Is a picture of my dick.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So let's go through each NSA program,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and explain to me it's capabilities

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in regards to that photograph...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of my penis.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
702 Surveillance: can they see my dick?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The Pfizen act of 2008,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
which Section 702 falls under,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
allows the bulk-collection of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
internet communications that are

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
one-end foreign.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Bulk-collection:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
now we're talking about my dick.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You get it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I do.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Because it's, it's, yeah.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So, if you have you're email somewhere...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
like G-mail, hosted over seas or

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
transferred somewhere over seas,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or any time crosses outside the borders

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the United States...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you're junk ends up in the database.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So it doesn't have to be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sending your dick to a German?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Even if you sent it to somebody

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
within the United States,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your wholly domestic communication

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
between you and your wife

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
can go from New York...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to London and back.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And get caught up in the database.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Executive Order 12-333: Dick or no dick?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
EO 12-333 is what the NSA uses

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
when the other authorities aren't

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
aggressive enough,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or they're not catching as much

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as they like.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
For example...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
How are they gonna see my dick?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm only concerned about my penis.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
When you send your junk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
through G-mail, for example,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that's stored on Google-servers.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Google moves data.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
From datacenter to datacenter.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Invisibly to you, without your knowledge.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Your data could be moved outside

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the borders of the United States.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Oh no.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Temporarily.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
When your junk was passed by G-mail,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the NSA caught a copy of that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Prism.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Prism is how they pull your junk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
out of Google, with Google's involvement.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
All of the different Prism partners,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
people like Yahoo, Facebook, Google,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the Government deputizes them, to be,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
sort of their little surveillance sherif.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They're a dick-sherif.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Correct.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Uhm, Upstream.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Upstream is how they snatch your junk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
as it transes the internet.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay. Mystic.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If you're describing your junk

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
on the phone?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But do they have the content

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of that junk-call,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
or just the duration of it?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They have the content as well,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but only for a few countries.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If you are on vacation in the Bahamas?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Finally. And you need to remind yourself?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No, I'm just not sure...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
what to do with this.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Just hold on to it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's a lot of responsibility.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yeah. It is a lot of responsibility.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's the whole point.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Should I...?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No, you should absolutely not.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And it's unbelievable

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
that you would do that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Actually, it's entirely believable.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
215 meta-data?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Good.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Come on, Ed.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They can probably tell who you're sharing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your junk pictures with.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Because they're seeing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who you're texting with,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who you're calling.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If you're calling

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the penis enlargement centre at 3 AM

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and that call lasted 90 minutes?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They would have a record

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of YOUR phone-number

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
calling THAT phone-number.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
(Which is a penis enlargement center).

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
They would say they don't know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it's penis enlargement center,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but of course they can look it up.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward, if the American people

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
understood this...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they would be absolutely horrified.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I guess I never thought about putting it

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the context of your junk.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Would a good take-away from this be...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Until such time as we sorted

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
all of this out...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
don't take pictures of your dick'.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Just don't do it anymore.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If we do that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Wait, hold on, you're saying 'no'?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yeah.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You should be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
taking pictures of your dick?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You shouldn't change your behavior

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because a Government agency somehwere

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is doing the wrong thing.

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If you sacrifice our values

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because we're afraid...

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we don't care

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about those values very much.

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That is a pretty inspiring answer

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to the question:

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"Hey, why did you just send me a picutre

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of your dick?"

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"Because I love America, that's why."

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So there you have it, America.

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All of us should now be equipped

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to have this vital debate.

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Because by June 1,

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it is imperative we have a rational,

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adult conversation

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about whether our safety is worth

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living in a country of barely regulated

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Government sanctioned dick-sherifs.

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And with my work here done,

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there was just time to take care of

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one more thing.

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Finally, congratulations

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on winning the Oscar.

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I know you couldn't be at the ceremony

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for obvious reasons, so...

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Hah?

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Wow.

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I thought we'd celebrate ourselves.

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Cheers.

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Wow, that's...

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that's really something.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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What's the over/under on me

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getting home safely?

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Well, if you weren't on the list before,

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you are now.

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Is that like, uhm...

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is that like a figu... is that like a joke

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or is that actually possible?

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No, it's... it's a real thing.

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You're associated now.

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Okay.

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Just to be clear NSA:

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I never met this guy, so

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take me off you're f*cking list.

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I do not want to get stuck in Russia.

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I want to go home I want to go home

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I want to go home I want to go home

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Now, just for the record.

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Just so you know.

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We got in touch with the NSA,

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the National Security Council,

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and the White House,

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and we asked them to comment

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on the dick-pick capabilities

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of each of the programs Edward Snowden

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
just discussed.

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Which incidentally was some very fun

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emails to write to Government agencies.

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They didn't wish to comment on the record.

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And I can see why,

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for every possible reason.