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Our main story tonight

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is government surveillance.

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And I realize most people

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would rather have a conversation

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about literally any other topic.

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Including: 'Is my smartphone

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giving me cancer?

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To which the answer is: probably.

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Or: Do goldfish suffer from depression?

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To which the answer is:

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Yes, but very briefly.

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But the fact is, it is vital that we

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have a discussion about this now.

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Because an important date is just around the corner.

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"One big day to circle on the calendar,

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when it comes to a very controversial subject.

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The re-authorization of the Patriot Act,

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and all of the controversial

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provisions therein.

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June 1 they've got to come to an agreement

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to re-authorize or curttail those programs.

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Yes. Some controversial provisions within

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the Patriot Act are to expire on June 1.

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So circle that date

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on your calendars, everyone.

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And while you're at it:

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Circle June 2 as well.

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Because that's Justin Long's birthday.

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You all forgot last year...

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and he f*cking noticed.

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Now, over the last couple of years,

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you've probably heard a lot about

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strange-sounding programs. Such as:

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X-Keyscore, Muscular, Prism, and Mystic.

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Which are, coincidentally, also the names

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of some of Florida's least popular

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stripclubs.

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"Welcome to X-Keyscore!

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Our dancers are fully un-redacted

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and Tuesday is wing-night!"

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But if you don't mind, I would like to

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refresh your memory over some of this.

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And let's start our focussing on the most

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controversial portion of the Patriot Act,

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that is up for renewal. Section 215.

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Which, I'm aware, sounds like the name

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of an Eastern European boy-band.

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"We are Section 215.

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Prepare to have your hearts...

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throbbed."

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There's the cute one, the bad-boy,

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the one who strangled a potato-farmer,

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and the one without an eye-deficiency.

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They're incredible.

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But the contentst of the real Section 215

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is actually even more sinister.

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It's called Section 215.

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Nicknamed: the library records provision.

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Which allows the Government to require

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businesses to hand over records of any

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"any tangible things"

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including: books, records, documents,

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and other items.

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If that sounds broad, that's because

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it was very much written that way.

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Section 215 says the Government can ask

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for "any tangible things" so long as it's

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"for an investigation to protect

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against international terrorism".

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Which is basically a blank cheque.

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It's letting a teenager borrow the car,

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under the strict condition that they

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only use it for 'car-related activities'.

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"Okay, mom and dad, I'm gonna use this

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for a hand-job in the Wendy's parking lot,

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but that is car-related,

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so I think I'm covered."

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Section 215 is overseen

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by a secret intelligence-court,

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known as the Pfizer-court.

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And they've interpreted it to mean

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the Government could basically

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collect and store phone-records for

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every American.

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The vast majority of whom, of course, have

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no connection to terrorism.

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Unless, Aunt Cheryl has been greatly

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mis-characterized the activities

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of her needle-point club.

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"It's a sleeper-cell!

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Isn't is, Aunt Cheryl?"

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"You are hanged for this, Aungt Cheryl.

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You're a traiter and a terrible aunt.

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Not in that order."

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Now, the Government will point out

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that under 215, they hold phone-records,

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and not the calls themselves.

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What the intelligence-community is doing,

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is looking at phone-numbers,

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and durations of calls,

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they are not looking at peoples names,

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and they are not looking at content.

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Yes, but that's not entirely reassuring.

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Because you can extrapolate a lot

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from that information.

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If they knew that you'd called your ex

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12 times last night, between 1 and 4 AM,

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for a duration of 15 minutes each time,

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they can be fairly sure that you've left

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some pretty pathetic voice-mails.

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"I don't care whose monitoring this call,

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Vicky, we should be together!

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Pick up the phone, dammit!

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I'm a human being, not an animal!"

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Now, the Patriot-act was written,

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just after 9-11.

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And for years,

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it was extended and re-authorized

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with barely a passing thought.

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In fact, it became so routine,

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that when it was extended in 2011,

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one newscaster just tacked it

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onto the end of a report

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about a Presidential trip abroad.

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Chip Reemes. CBS-news is travelling

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with the President in Dovell, France.

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Also in France, by the way,

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President Obama signed in

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the law 4- year extension

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of the terrorism fighting Patriot-Act.

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Also in France, by the way?

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By the way?

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He threw that in,

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like a mother telling her young daughter

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that her childhood pet just died.

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"Oh, nice talking to you, sweety.

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Also, by the way, Mr. Peppers is dead,

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see you at Christmas." BANG

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But all of that,

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was before the public was made aware

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of what the Government's capabilities

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actually were.

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'Cause that all ended in June of 2013.

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Edward Snowden has just

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taken responsibility for one of the

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biggest Government leaks in US history.

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We learned that the Government has the

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capacity to track virtually every American

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phone-call, and to scoop up

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impossibly vast quantities of data

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across the Internet.

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Revelations that the NSA eavesdropped

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on world leaders.

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Have you've ever been to the Bahamas,

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the NSA could've recorded your phone-calls

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and stored them up to a month.

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All that information was exposed

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by Edward Snowden.

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And it is still kind of incredible,

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that a 29-year old contractor,

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was able to steal top-secret documents

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from an organization

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that LITERALLY has the word 'security'

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in it's name.

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Clearly, that was not great for them.

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Because the only place where it should

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be that easy for employees in their 20-ies

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to steal, is a Lids store.

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"Dude, you sure we should take this?"

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"Relax, dude, it's a Miami Marlins-cap,

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we're not exactly selling

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Fabergé eggs here."

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It is still unclear,

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exactly how many documents

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Edward Snowden stole.

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Although he is consistently trying

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to re-assure people that he put them

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in good hands.

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Honestly, I don't want to be the person

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making the decisions about what should

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be public and what shouldn't.

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Which is why I, rather than publishing

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these on my own or putting them openly,

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I'm putting them through journalists.

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Well, that sounds great.

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But of course it's not a fail-safe plan.

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As was proven when the New York Times

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published this slide,

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but did such a sloppy job of blocking out

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redacted information, that some people

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were able to read the information behind

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that black bar,

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which concerned how the US was monitoring

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Al-Qaida in Mosul,

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a group now known as ISIS.

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So essentially,

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a national security secret was leaked,

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because no-one at the Times knows

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how to use Microsoft Paint.

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And look, you can think

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that Snowden did the wrong thing, or

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did it in the wrong way.

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But the fact it,

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we have this information now,

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and we no longer get the luxury

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of pleading ignorance.

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It's like you can't go to Sea World and

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pretend Sha-Mu's happy anymore.

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When we now know,

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at least have the water in her tank

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is whale-tears.

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We know that now.

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You can't un-know that information.

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So you have to bear that in mind.

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But here's the thing:

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It's now 2 years later,

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and it seems like we've kind of

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forgotten to have a debate

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over the content of what Snowden leaked.

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A recent Pew-report found that nearly

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half of Americans say they're

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'not very concerned', of 'not at all

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concerned' about Government surveillance.

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Which is fine.

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If that's an informed opinion.

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But I'm not sure that it is.

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Because we actually sent a camera-crew

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to Times Square to ask some random

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passers by who Edward Snowden was,

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and what he did.

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And there are the responses that we got.

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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

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Have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

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I've heard the name, I just can't picutre

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right now exactly what it is.

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Edward Snowden...

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No. I do not.

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Just for the record, that wasn't

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cherry picking.

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That was entirely reflective of everyone

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we spoke to.

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Although, to be fair, some people

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did remember his name,

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they just couldn't remember why.

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He sold some information to people.

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He revealed some information

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that shouldn't have been revealed.

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I think from what I remember,

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is that the information that he shared

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was detrimental to our military secrets?

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And keeping our soldiers

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and our country safe?

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He leaked documents what the Army's

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operations in Iraq.

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Edward Snowden revealed a bunch

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of secrets, I guess, or information

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into Wiki, Wikileaks?

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Edward Snowden leaked...

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he's in charge of Wikileaks?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward Snowden revealed a lot of

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documents through Wikileaks...?

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Okay, so here's the thing:

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Edward Snowden is NOT the Wikileaks guy.

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The Wikileaks guy is Julian Assange.

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And you do not want to

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be confused by him.

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Partly because he was far less careful

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than Snowden with what he released,

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and how.

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And partly because he resembles

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a sandwich-bag full of biscuits while

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wearing a Stevie Knicks-wig.

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And that is, that is ciritical.

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Julian Assange is not a like-able man.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Even Benedict Cumberbatch could not

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
make him like-able.

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He's un-Cumberbatch-able.

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That was supposed to be

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physically impossible.

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I don't blame people for being confused.

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We've been looking at this story

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for the last 2 weeks,

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and it is hard to get your head around.

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Not just because there are so many

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complicated programs to keep track of,

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but also because

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there are no easy answers here.

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We all naturally want perfect privacy,

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and perfect safety.

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But those 2 things cannot coexist.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's like how you can't have

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a badass pet falcon...

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and an adorable pet vole named Herbert.

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Either you have to lose one of them,

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which obviously you don't want to do.

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Or you have to accept some reasonable

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restrictions on both of them.

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Now to be fair, the NSA will argue

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that just because they can do something

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doesn't mean they do do it.

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And, that there are restrictions on their

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operations, such as the Pfizer-court,

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which, must approve requests for

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
foreign surveillance.

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But.

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In 34 years, that court has approved

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some 35000 applications,

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and only rejected 12.

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Yes. Much like Robert Durst's second wife.

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The Pfizer-court is alarmingly accepting.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"Listen, Robert, I'm not gonna

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
ask you too many questions.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm just gonna give you the benefit of the

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
doubts that you clearly don't deserve."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
At least tell him to blink and burp less.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The burping might be the most troubling

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
thing about that show.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So, so maybe there's time for us to talk.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
About where the limits should be.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And the best place to start would be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Section 215.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Not just because it's the easiest one

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to understand,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
but there is wide-spread agreement

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
it needs to be reformed.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
From the President, to Ted Cruz,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to both the ACLU and the NRA,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to even the guy who wrote the thing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the first place.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I was the principal author

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of the Patriot Act.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I can say that without qualification

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Congress never did intend to allow

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
bulk-collections when it passed

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Section 215.

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And no fair reading of the text would

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
allow for this program.

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Think about that.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
He was the author.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That's the legislative equivalent

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of Lewis Carrol seeing the tea-cups ride

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at Disney Land, and saying:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"This has got to be reined in.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
No fair reading of my text would allow

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for this ride."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"You've turned my perfectly nice

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tail of psychedelic paedofilia

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
into a garish vomitorium."

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
"This is not what I wanted!"

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And even the NSA has said that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the number of terror-plots

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in the US, that the Section 215

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
phone-records program has disrupted is 1.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And it's worth noting that that 1 plot

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
involved a cabdriver in San Diego

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
who gave $8500 to a terror-group.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And that is the shittiest terrorist-plot

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I've ever seen, other than the plot of

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
A Good Day To Die Hard.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But here's the big problem here:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If we let Section 215 get renewed in it's

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
current form, without serious public

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
debate, we're in trouble.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Because Section 215

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is the canary in the coalmine.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
If we cannot fix that,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we're not gonna fix any of them.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And the public debate so far,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
has been absolutely pathetic.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
A year ago, a former congresswoman

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
was discussing the 215 program on the news.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Watch wat happened.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This vast collection of data

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is not that useful, and infringes

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
substantially on personal privacy.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I think at this point we should seriously

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
consider not continuing...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Congress woman, let me interrupt you.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Let me interrupt you just for one moment.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
We've got some breaking news out of Miami.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Stand by if you will.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Right now in Miami, Justin Beiber

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
has been arrested on a number of charges.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The judge is reading the charges,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
including resisting arrest and driving

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
under the influence.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
He's appearing now before the judge

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for his bond-hearing. Let's watch.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Actually, you know what?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Bad news, we're gonna have to interrupt

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
your interruption of the Beiber news,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for a new interruption.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
This time featuring a YouTube video of a

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
tortoise having sex with a plastic clog.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Let's watch.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That. Is essentially the current tone

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
of this vitally important debate.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And again: I'm not saying this is

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
an easy conversation.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But we have to have it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I know this is confusing.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And unfortunately, the most obvious

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
person to talk to about this,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is Edward Snowden.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But he currently lives in Russia.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Meaning, if you wanted to ask him

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
about any of these issues,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
you'd have to fly all the way there

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to do it, and it is not a pleasant flight.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And the reason I know that...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is that last week, I went to Russia

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to speak to Edward Snowden.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And this is what happened.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Yes, last week I spent 48 paranoid hours

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in Moscow.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Arguably the last place on earth where you

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
can find an overweight Josef Stalin

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
impersonator arguing with an unconvinsing

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
fake Lenin.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And after experiencing Russia's famously

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
warm hospitality, I went to meet

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward Snowden.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Who is supposed to show up in this room

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at noon.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
However, after 5 minutes after

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the interview was scheduled to begin,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I had a troubling thought.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I don't know.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You think he's coming?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause my argument is:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Why would he?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
When you think about it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I got 2000 roebels that says

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
he doesn't make it.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Without understanding how much that is.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
All I'm saying is...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a 10-hour flight for an empty chair...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm gonna lose my shit.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay, it turns out that there may be

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a bit of a problem.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause our Russian producer...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
booked us in a room

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
directly overlooking...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the old KGB-building.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And the home of the current

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Federal Security Bureau.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And I'm just been told that they know

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we're here.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So uhm...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So that happened.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Uhm, just if the Russian...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Russian KGB is listening:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
we'll ring the fire-alarm

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
if he's not coming.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Oh shit.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Oh God.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-So sorry for the delay.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
It's fine.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
HOLY SHIT.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
He actually came.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Edward f*cking Snowden.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The most famous here and/or traitor

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in recent American history!

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And I've started with a question designed

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to test his loyalties.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
How much do you miss America?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You know, my country is something

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-that travels with me, you know.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-It's not just a geogro...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well that's already

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
a way too complicated answer.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
The right answer is:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I miss it a lot, it's the greatest

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
country in the world.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I do miss my country.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I do miss my home, I do miss my family.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Do you miss hot pockets?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-Yes.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I miss hot pockets. Very much.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay. The entire state of Florida?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Let's just let that silence

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
hang in the air.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Truck nuts?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You miss truck nuts?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-I don't know what they are.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Lucky for you, Edward...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Not just truck nuts.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Stars and stripes truck nuts.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
That is 2 balls of liberty

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in a freedom sack.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-You really thought ahead.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Well, at least one of us did.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
You know, 'cause of the... uhm...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
the quandary... the...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Kafka-esque nightmare that you're in.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Okay. Let's dive in.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Why did you do this?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
-The NSA has the greatest surveillance

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
capabilities that we've ever seen

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in history.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Now, what they will argue

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is that they don't use this

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
for nefarious purposes against

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
American citizens.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
In some ways that's true.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But the real problem is that

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they're using these capabilities

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
to make us vulnerable to them,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and then saying:

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
While I've got a gun pointed at your head,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I'm not going to pull the trigger.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Trust me.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So, what does the NSA you want look like?

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
'Cause you applied for a job at the NSA.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
So you clearly see an inherent value

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
in that shadowy organization.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I worked with mass-surveillance systems

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
against Chinese hackers.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
I saw, that you know, these things

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
do have some purpose.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
And you want your spies to be good

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
at spying.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
To be fair.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Right.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
What you don't want...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
is you don't want them spying inside

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
their own country.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Spies are great when they're on our side.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But we can never forget that they're

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
incredibly powerful,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and incredibly dangerous,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and when they're off the leash...

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
they can end up coming after us.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
But just be clear,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
there are 2 different things here.

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
Domestic surveillance,

9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000
and foreign surveillance.