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Our main story tonight
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is government surveillance.
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And I realize most people
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would rather have a conversation
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about literally any other topic.
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Including: 'Is my smartphone
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giving me cancer?'
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To which the answer is: Probably.
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Or: 'Do goldfish suffer from depression?'
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To which the answer is:
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Yes, but very briefly.
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But the fact is:
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It is vital
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that we have a discussion about this now.
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Because an important date
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is just around the corner.
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One big day to circle on the calendar
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when it comes to
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a very controversial subject.
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The re-authorization of the Patriot Act
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and all of the
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controversial provisions therein.
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June 1 they've got to come to an agreement
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to re-authorize
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or curtail those programs.
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Yes. Some controversial provisions
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within the Patriot Act
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are set to expire on June 1.
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So circle that date
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on your calendars, everyone.
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And while you're at it:
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Circle June 2 as well.
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Because that's Justin Long's birthday.
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You all forgot last year...
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and he f*cking noticed.
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Now, over the last couple of years
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you've probably heard a lot about
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strange-sounding programs. Such as:
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X-Keyscore, Muscular, Prism, and Mystic.
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Which are, coincidentally, also the names
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of some of Florida's
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least popular stripclubs.
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"Welcome to X-Keyscore!
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Our dancers are fully un-redacted
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and Tuesday is wing-night!"
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But if you don't mind, I would like
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to refresh your memory over some of this.
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And let's start our focussing on the most
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controversial portion of the Patriot Act
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that is up for renewal:
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Section 215.
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Which, I'm aware, sounds like the name
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of an Eastern European boy-band.
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"We are Section 215."
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"Prepare to have your hearts...
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throbbed."
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There's the cute one, the bad-boy,
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the one who strangled a potato-farmer,
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and the one without an iron-deficiency.
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They're incredible.
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But the content of the real Section 215
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is actually even more sinister.
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It's called Section 215.
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Nicknamed: the library records provision.
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Which allows the government to require
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businesses to hand over records of any
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"any tangible things"
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including: books, records, papers,
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documents, and other items.
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If that sounds broad, it's because
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it was very much written that way.
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Section 215 says the government can ask
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for "any tangible things" so long as it's
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"for an investigation to protect
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against international terrorism".
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Which is basically a blank cheque.
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It's letting a teenager borrow the car
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under the strict condition that they
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only use it for 'car-related activities'.
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"Okay, mom and dad, I'm gonna use this
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for a hand-job in a Wendy's parking lot
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but that is car-related,
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so I think I'm covered."
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Section 215 is overseen
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by a secret intelligence-court
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known as the FISA-court.
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And they've interpreted it to mean
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the government could basically collect and
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store phone-records for every American.
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The vast majority of whom, of course
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have no connection to terrorism.
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Unless, Aunt Cheryl has been gravely
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mis-characterizing the activities
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of her needle-point club.
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"It's a sleeper-cell,
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isn't is, Aunt Cheryl?"
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"You will hang for this, Aunt Cheryl."
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"You're a traitor and a terrible aunt."
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"Not in that order."
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Now, the government will point out
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that under 215, they hold phone-records
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and not the calls themselves.
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What the intelligence-community is doing
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is looking at phone-numbers
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and durations of calls
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they are not looking at people's names
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and they are not looking at content.
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Yes, but that's not entirely reassuring.
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Because you can extrapolate a lot
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from that information.
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If they knew that you'd called your ex
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12 times last night, between 1 and 4 AM
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for a duration of 15 minutes each time
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they can be fairly sure that you left
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some pretty pathetic voice-mails.
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"I don't care whose monitoring
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this call, Vicky."
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"We should be together!"
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Pick up the phone, dammit!
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I'm a human being, not an animal!"
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Now, the Patriot-act was written
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just after 9-11.
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And for years it was extended
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and re-authorized
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with barely a passing thought.
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In fact, it became so routine
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that when it was extended in 2011
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one newscast just tacked it
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onto the end of a report
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about a Presidential trip abroad.
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Chip Reid. CBS-news.
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Travelling with the President
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in Deauville, France.
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Also in France, by the way
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President Obama signed in a law
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4-year extension
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of the terrorism fighting Patriot-Act.
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Also in France, by the way?
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By the way?
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He threw that in
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like a mother telling her grown daughter
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that her childhood pet just died.
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"Oh, nice talking to you, sweety.
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Also, by the way, Mr. Peppers is dead.
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See you at Christmas." BANG
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But all of that was before the public
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was made aware of what the government's
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capabilities actually were.
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'Cause that all ended in June of 2013.
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Edward Snowden has just taken
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responsibility for one of the
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biggest government leaks in US history.
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We learned that the government has
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the capacity to track
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virtually every American phone-call
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and to scoop up impossibly vast
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quantities of data across the internet.
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Revelations that the NSA eavesdropped
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on world leaders.
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If you've ever been to the Bahamas
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the NSA could've recorded your phone-calls
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and stored them for up to a month.
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All that information was exposed
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by Edward Snowden.
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And it is still kind of incredible
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that a 29-year-old contractor
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was able to steal top-secret documents
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from an organization
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that LITERALLY has the word 'security'
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in it's name.
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Clearly, that was not great for them.
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The only place where it should be THAT
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easy for employees in their 20ies to steal
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is a Lid store.
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"Dude, you sure I should take this?"
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"Relax, dude, it's a Miami Marlins-cap,
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we're not exactly selling
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Fabergé eggs here."
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It is still unclear
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exactly how many documents
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Edward Snowden stole.
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Although he's consistently tried
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to re-assure people
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that he put them in good hands.
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Honestly, I don't want to be the person
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making the decisions on what should
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be public and what shouldn't.
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Which is why
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rather than publishing these on my own
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or putting them out openly
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I'm running them through journalists.
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Well, that sounds great.
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But of course it's not a fail-safe plan.
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As was proven when the New York Times
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published this slide
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but did such a sloppy job
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of blocking out redacted information
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that some people were able to read
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the information behind that black bar
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which concerned how the US was monitoring
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Al Qaida in Mosul.
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A group now known as ISIS.
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So essentially a national security secret
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was leaked because no-one at the Times
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knows how to use Microsoft Paint.
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And look, you can think
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that Snowden did the wrong thing.
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Or did it in the wrong way.
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But the fact is:
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we have this information now
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and we no longer get the luxury
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of pleading ignorance.
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It's like you can't go to Sea World
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and pretend that Shamu's happy, anymore.
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When we now know
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at least half the water in her tank
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is whale-tears.
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We know that now.
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You can't un-know that information.
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So you have to bear that in mind.
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But here's the thing:
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It's now 2 years later
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and it seems like we've kind of forgotten
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to have a debate
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over the content of what Snowden leaked.
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A recent Pew-report found that nearly
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half of Americans say that they're
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'not very concerned'
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or 'not at all concerned'
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about government surveillance.
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Which is fine.
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If that's an informed opinion.
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But I'm not sure that it is.
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Because we actually sent a camera-crew to
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Times Square to ask some random passers by
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who Edward Snowden was and what he did.
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And there are the responses that we got.
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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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Have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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I've heard the name, I just can't picture
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think... right now exactly what it is.
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Edward Snowden...
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No. I do not.
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Just for the record:
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that wasn't cherry picking.
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That was entirely reflective
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of everyone we spoke to.
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Although, to be fair:
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some people did remember his name
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they just couldn't remember why.
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He sold some information to people.
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He revealed some information
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that shouldn't have been revealed.
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I think from what I remember is
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the information that he shared was
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detrimental to our military secrets?
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And keeping our soldiers and our country
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safe?
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He leaked documents what the US Army's
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operations in Iraq.
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Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of
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of secrets, I guess, or information
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into Wiki... Wikileaks?
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Edward Snowden leaked...
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Ah, he's in charge of Wikileaks?
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Edward Snowden revealed a lot of
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documents through Wikileaks...?
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Okay, so here's the thing:
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Edward Snowden is NOT the Wikileaks guy.
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The Wikileaks guy is Julian Assange.
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And you do not want
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to be confused with him.
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Partly because he was far less careful
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than Snowden in what he released and how.
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And partly because he resembles
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a sandwich-bag full of biscuit-dough
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wearing a Stevie Nicks-wig.
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And that is, that is ciritical.
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Julian Assange is not a like-able man.
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Even Benedict Cumberbatch could not
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make him like-able.
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He's un-Cumberbatch-able.
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That was supposed to be
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physically impossible.
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But I don't blame people
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for being confused.
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We've been looking at this story
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for the last 2 weeks
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and it is hard to get your head around.
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Not just because there are so many
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complicated programs to keep track of
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but also because
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there are no easy answers here.
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We all naturally want perfect privacy
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and perfect safety.
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But those 2 things cannot coexist.
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It's like how you can't have
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a badass pet falcon...
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and an adorable pet vole named Herbert.
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Either you have to lose one of them
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-which obviously you don't want to do-
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or you have to accept some
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reasonable restrictions on both of them.
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Now to be fair, the NSA will argue
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that just because they CAN do something
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doesn't mean they DO do it.
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And, that there are restrictions
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on their operations
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such as the FISA-court
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which must approve requests
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for foreign surveillance.
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But.
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In 34 years, that court has approved
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over 35000 applications
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and only rejected 12.
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Yes. Much like Robert Durst's second wife.
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The FISA-court is alarmingly accepting.
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"Listen, Robert, I'm not
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gonna ask you too many questions."
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I'm just gonna give you the benefit of
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a doubt that you clearly don't deserve."
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At least tell him to blink and burp less.
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The burping might be the most troubling
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thing about that show.
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So maybe it's time for us to talk.
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About where the limits should be.
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And the best place to start would be
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Section 215.
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Not just because it's the easiest
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to understand
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but there is wide-spread agreement
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it needs to be reformed.
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From the President, to Ted Cruz,
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to both the ACLU and the NRA,
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to even the guy
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who wrote the thing in the first place.
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I was the principal author
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of the Patriot Act.
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I can say, that without qualification
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Congress never did intend to allow
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bulk-collections
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when it passed Section 215.
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And no fair reading of the text
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would allow for this program.
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Think about that.
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He was the author.
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That's the legislative equivalent
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of Lewis Carroll
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seeing the tea-cups ride at Disney Land
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and saying:
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"This has got to be reined in."
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"No fair reading of my text
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would allow for this ride."
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"You've turned my perfectly nice tale
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of psychedelic paedofilia
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into a garish vomitorium."
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"This is not what I wanted!"
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And even the NSA has said
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that the number of terror-plots in the US
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that the Section 215
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telephone-records program has disrupted...
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...is 1.
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And it's worth noting:
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that one particular plot
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involved a cabdriver in San Diego
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who gave $8500 to a terror-group.
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And that is the shittiest terrorist-plot
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I've ever seen.
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Other than the plot of
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A Good Day To Die Hard.
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But here's the big problem here:
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If we let Section 215 get renewed
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in it's current form
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without serious public debate
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we're in trouble.
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Because Section 215
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is the canary in the coal-mine.
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If we cannot fix that
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we're not gonna fix any of them.
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And the public debate so far
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has been absolutely pathetic.
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A year ago
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a former congresswoman was
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discussing the 215 program on the news.
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Watch wat happened.
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This vast collection of data
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is not that useful
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and infringes substantially
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on personal privacy.
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I think at this point we should
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seriously consider not continuing...
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Congress woman Harman, let me interrupt..
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Let me interrupt you just for a moment.
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We've got some breaking news out of Miami.
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Stand by if you will.
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Right now in Miami
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Justin Bieber
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has been arrested on a number of charges.
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The judge is reading the charges
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including resisting arrest
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and driving under the influence.
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He's appearing now before the judge for
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his bond-hearing. Let's watch.
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Actually, you know what?
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Bad news, we're gonna have to interrupt
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your interruption of the Bieber news
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for a new interruption.
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This time featuring a YouTube video of
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a tortoise having sex with a plastic clog.
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Let's watch.
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HEEH
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HEEH
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HEH
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That. Is essentially the current tone
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of this vitally important debate.
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HEEEH
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And again:
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I'm not saying
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this is an easy conversation.
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But we have to have it.
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I know this is confusing.
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And unfortunately the most
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obvious person to talk to
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about this is Edward Snowden.
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But he currently lives in Russia. Meaning:
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If you wanted to ask him about any
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of these issues, you'd have to fly
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all the way there to do it.
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And it is not a pleasant flight.
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And the reason I know that...
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...is that last week, I went to Russia
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to speak to Edward Snowden.
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And this is what happened.
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Yes, last week I spent 48 paranoid hours
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in Moscow.
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Arguably the last place on earth
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where you can find
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an overweight Josef Stalin impersonator
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arguing with an unconvincing fake Lenin.
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And after experiencing
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Russia's famously warm hospitality
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I went to meet Edward Snowden.
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Who is supposed to show up in this room
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at noon.
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However, after 5 minutes after
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the interview was scheduled to begin
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I had a troubling thought.
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I don't know.
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Do you think he's coming?
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'Cause my argument is:
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Yeah, he's coming.
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Why would he?
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When you think about it.
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I got 2000 roebels
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that says he doesn't make it.
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Without understanding how much that is.
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All I'm saying is...
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...a 10-hour flight for an empty chair?
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I'm gonna lose my shit.
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It turns out it may be a bit of a problem
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because our Russian producer
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booked us in a room directly overlooking
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the old KGB-building.
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And the home
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of the current Federal Security Bureau.
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And we've just been told...
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...they know we're here.
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So uhm...
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So that happened.
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Uhm, just if the Russian...
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...Russian KGB is listening:
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We'll ring the fire-alarm
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if he's not coming.
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Oh shit.
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Oh God.
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So sorry for the delay.
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It's fine, don't worry about it.
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HOLY SHIT.
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He actually came.
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Edward f*cking Snowden.
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The most famous hero and/or traitor
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in recent American history!
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And I've started with a question
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designed to test his loyalties.
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How much do you miss America?
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You know, my country is something
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that travels with me, you know.
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It's not just a geogra...
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That's a way too complicated answer.
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The answer is: I miss it a lot.
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it's the greatest country in the world.
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I do miss my country.
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I do miss my home.
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I do miss my family.
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Do you miss hot pockets?
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Yes.
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I miss hot pockets. Very much.
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Okay. The entire state of Florida?
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Let's just let that silence
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hang in the air.
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Truck Nuts?
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Do you miss Truck Nuts?
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I don't know what they are.
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Lucky for you, Edward...
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Not just Truck Nuts.
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Stars and stripes Truck Nuts.
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That is 2 balls of liberty
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in a freedom sack.
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You really thought ahead.
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Well, at least one of us did.
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You know, 'cause of the... uhm...
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the quandary... the...
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...Kafka-esque nightmare that you're in.
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Okay. Let's dive in.
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Why did you do this?
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The NSA has
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the greatest surveillance capabilities
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that we've ever seen in history.
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Now, what they will argue
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is that they don't use this
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for nefarious purposes
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against American citizens.
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In some ways that's true.
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But the real problem is that
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they're using these capabilities
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to make us vulnerable to them
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and then saying:
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"While I have a gun pointed at your head
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I'm not gonna pull the trigger."
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"Trust me."
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So, what does the NSA you want look like?
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Because you applied for a job at the NSA.
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So you clearly see an inherent value
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in that shadowy organization.
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I worked with mass-surveillance systems
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against Chinese hackers.
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I saw that, you know
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these things do have some purpose.
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And you want your spies
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to be good at spying.
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To be fair.
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Right.
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What you don't want is
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you don't want them spying inside
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their own country.
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Spies are great when they're on our side.
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But we can never forget
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that they're incredibly powerful
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and incredibly dangerous.
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And if they're off the leash...
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...they can end up coming after us.
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We're talking about 2 different things
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Domestic surveillance
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and foreign surveillance.
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'Cause domestic surveillance
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Americans give some of a shit about.
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Foreign surveillance...
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...they don't give any remote shit about.
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Well the second question is:
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When we talk about foreign surveillance
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are we applying it in ways that are
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beneficial...
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No-one cares.
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In terms...
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They don't give a shit.
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We spied on UNICEF, the children's fund.
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Sure.
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We spied on lawyers negotiating...
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What was UNICEF doing?
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I mean:
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That's the question there, isn't it?
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The question is:
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Are these projects valuable?
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Are we going to be safer when we're spying
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on UNICEF and lawyers who are talking about
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the price of shrimp and clove cigarettes.
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I don't think people say that's good.
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I think they'll say:
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I definitely don't care.
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Americans do not give a shit.
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I think you're right.
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About foreign surveillance.
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What some people do care about
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is whether Snowden considered
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the adverse consequences of leaking
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so much information at once.
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How many of those documents
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have you actually read?
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I've evaluated all the documents
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that are in the archive.
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You've read every single one?
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I do understand what I've turned over.
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But there's a difference between
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understanding what's in the documents
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and reading what's in the documents.
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I recognized the concern.
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'Cause when you're handing over
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thousands of NSA documents the last
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thing you want to do is read them.
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I think it's fair to be concerned about
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'did this person do enough?'
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'were they careful enough?'
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Especially when you're handling material
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like we know you are handling.
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Well, in my defense:
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I'm not handling anything anymore.
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That's been passed to the journalists
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and they're using extraordinary
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security measures to make sure that this
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is reported in the most responsible way.
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But, those are journalists
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with a lower technical skill-set than you.
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That's true. But they DO understand
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-just like you and I do-
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just HOW important it is
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to get this right.
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So the New York Times took a slide
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didn't redact it properly...
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...and
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In the end it was possible
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for people to see that something
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was being used in Mosul.
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On Al Qaida.
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That is a problem.
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Well, that's a f*ck-up.
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It is a f*ck-up.
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And these things do happen in reporting.
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In journalism we have to accept
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that some mistakes will be made.
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This is a fundamental concept of liberty.
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Right.
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But you have to own that then.
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You're giving documents with information
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you know could be harmful
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which could get out there.
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Yes.
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If people act in bad faith.
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Not even bad faith, but incompetence.
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We are.
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But you will never be
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completely free from risk, if you're free.
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The only time you can be
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free from risk is when you're in prison.
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While the risks were significant
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Snowden himself has made it clear
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he feels the rewards have been worth it.
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You've said in you letters to Brasil:
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"I was motivated by a believe that
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citizens deserve to understand
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the system in which they live."
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"My greatest fear was that
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no-one would listen to my warning."
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"Never have I been so glad
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to have been so wrong."
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How did that feel?
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I was initially terrified that this
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was going to be a 3-day story.
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Everybody was going to forget about it.
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But when I saw that
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everybody around the world said:
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"Wow, this is a problem."
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"We have to do something about this."
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It felt like vindication.
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Even in America?
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Even in America.
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And I think we're seeing something amazing
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which is if you ask... the American people
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to make tough decisions
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to confront tough issues
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to think about hard problems...
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...they'll actually surprise you.
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Okay.
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Here's the problem:
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I did ask some Americans.
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And, boy did it surprise me.
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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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You've never heard of Edward Snowden?
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No.
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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.
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I've heard the name
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I just can't picture... think right now
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exactly what it is.
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Well, he's... uhm...
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He sold some information to people.
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He revealed some information
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that shouldn't have been revealed.
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Edward Snowden revealed a lot of documents
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through Wikileaks.
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Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of
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secrets, I guess...
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or information into Wikileaks.
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Edward Snowden leaked... uhm...
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he's in charge of Wikileaks.
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I'm in charge of Wikileaks.
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Not ideal.
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I guess, on the plus side:
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You might be able to go home.
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'Cause it seems like no-one knows
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who the f*ck you are or what you did
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We can't expect everybody to be uniformly
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informed.
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So, did you do this to solve a problem?
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I did this to give the American people
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a chance to decide for themselves
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the kind of government they want to have.
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That is a conversation that I think that
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the American people deserve to decide.
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There is no doubt that it is
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a critical conversation.
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But is it a conversation that we have
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the capacity to have?
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Because it's so complicated.
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We don't fundamentally understand it.
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It is a challenging conversation.
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It's difficult for most people
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to even conceptualize.
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The problem is
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the internet is massively complex
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and so much of it is invisible.
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Service providers, technicians, engineers,
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the phonenumber....
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Let me stop you right there, Edward.
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'Cause this is the whole problem.
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Right.
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This is the whole problem.
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I glaze over.
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It's like the IT-guy comes to your office
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and you go: "Oooh shit".
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In fairness...
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"Ooh shit, don't teach me anything."
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"I don't want to learn."
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"You smell like canned soup."
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It's a real challenge to figure out
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how do we communicate
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things that require sort of years and years
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of technical understanding.
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And compress that into seconds of speech.
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So, I'm sympathetic to the problem there.
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But the thing is
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everything you did only matters
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if we have this conversation properly.
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So let me help you out there.
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You mentioned in an interview
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that the NSA was passing around
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naked photo's of people.
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Yeah. This is something where it's...
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it's not actually seen as a big deal.
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In the culture of NSA.
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Because you see naked pictures
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all of the time.
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That.
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Terrifies people.
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'Cause when we asked people about THAT...
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...this is the response you get.
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The government should not be able
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to look at dick-pictures.
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If the government was looking at
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a picture of Gordon's penis
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I definitely feel it would be an invasion
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of my privacy.
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Ah, yeah, if the government was looking at
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pictures of my penis, that would upset me.
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They should never, ever
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the US government have a picture
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of my dick.
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If my husband sent me
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a picture of his penis
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and the government could access it
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I would want that program to be shut down.
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I would want the Dick-pic Program changed.
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I would also want the Dick-pic program
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changed.
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It would be terrific if the program
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could change.
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I would want it to be tweeked
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I would want it to have clear and
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transparent laws that we knew about.
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And that were communicated to us.
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To understand what they're being used for.
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Or why the were being kept.
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Do you think that program exists?
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I don't think that program exists at all.
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No.
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If I had knowledge that the US government
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had a picture of my dick...
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...I would be very pissed off.
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Well...
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The good news is that there's no
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program named 'the Dick-pic Program'.
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The bad news is that they are still
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collecting everybody's information.
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Including your dick-pics.
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What's the over/under on that last guy
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having sent a dick-pic recently?
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You don't need to guess, I'll show you.
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I did.
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I did take a picture of my... dick.
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And I sent it to a girl. Recently.
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This is the most visible
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line in the sand for people.
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"Can they see my dick?"
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So, with that in mind...
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look inside that folder.
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That.
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Is a picture of my dick.
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So let's go through each NSA program
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and explain to me it's capabilities
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in regards to that photograph...
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...of my penis.
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702 Surveillance: can they see my dick?
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Yes.
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The FISA-amendment act of 2008
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which Section 702 falls under
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allows the bulk-collection
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of internet communications that are
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one-end foreign.
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Bulk-collection:
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Now we're talking about my dick.
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You get it.
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It's not what...
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You get it though, right?
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I do.
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Because it's... it's... yeah, anyway.
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So, if you have you're email somewhere
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like G-mail, hosted on a server overseas
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or transferred over seas
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or it any time crosses outside the borders
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of the United States...
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...you're junk ends up in the database.
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So it doesn't have to be
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sending your dick to a German?
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No.
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Even if you sent it to somebody
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within the United States
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your wholly domestic communication
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between you and your wife
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can go from New York...
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to London and back.
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And get caught up in the database.
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Executive Order 12-333: Dick or no dick?
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Yes.
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EO 12-333 is what the NSA uses when the
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other authorities aren't aggressive enough
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or not catching as much as they'd like.
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For example:
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How are they gonna see my dick?
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I'm only concerned about my penis.
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When you send your junk
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through G-mail, for example.
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That's stored on Google's servers.
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Google moves data.
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from datacenter to datacenter.
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Invisibly to you.
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Without your knowledge...
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your data could be moved outside
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the borders of the United States.
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Oh no.
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Temporarily.
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When your junk was passed by G-mail
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the NSA caught a copy of that.
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Prism.
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Prism is how they pull your junk
00:29:02.602 --> 00:29:05.372
out of Google, with Google's involvement.
00:29:05.372 --> 00:29:07.568
All of the different Prism partners
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people like Yahoo, Facebook, Google.
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The government deputizes them, to be...
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sort of their little surveillance sheriff.
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They're a dick-sheriff.
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Correct.
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Uhm, Upstream?
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Upstream is how they snatch your junk
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as it transits the internet.
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Okay. Mystic.
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If you're describing your junk
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on the phone?
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Yes.
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But do they have the content
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:32.081
of that junk-call
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or just the duration of it?
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They have the content as well
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but only for a few countries.
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If you are on vacation in the Bahamas?
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Yes.
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Finally. And you need to remind yourself...
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No, I'm just not sure...
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what to do with this.
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Just hold on to it.
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It's a lot of responsibility.
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Yeah. It is a lot of responsibility.
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That's the whole point.
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Should I...?
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No, you should absolutely not.
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And it's unbelievable
00:29:55.954 --> 00:29:57.774
that you would do that.
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Actually, it's entirely believable.
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215 Meta-data?
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No.
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Good.
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But...
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Come on, Ed.
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They can probably tell who you're sharing
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your junk pictures with.
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Because they're seeing
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who you're texting with
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who you're calling.
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If you call
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the penis enlargement centre at 3 AM
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and that call lasted 90 minutes?
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They would have a record
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of YOUR phone-number
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calling THAT phone-number.
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(Which is a penis enlargement center).
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They would say they don't know
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it's penis enlargement center
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but of course they can look it up.
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Edward, if the American people
00:30:29.498 --> 00:30:32.506
understood this...
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...they would be absolutely horrified.
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I guess I never thought about putting it
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in the...
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...in the context of your junk.
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Would a good take-away from this be:
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'Until such time as we've sorted
00:30:45.717 --> 00:30:47.116
all of this out...
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...don't take pictures of your dick'.
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Just don't do it anymore.
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No. If we do that.
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Wait, hold on, you're saying 'no'?
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Yeah.
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You should keep
00:30:58.096 --> 00:30:59.093
taking pictures of your dick?
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Yes. You shouldn't change your behavior
00:31:01.213 --> 00:31:02.581
because of a government agency somehwere
00:31:02.581 --> 00:31:04.128
is doing the wrong thing.
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If we sacrifice our values
00:31:06.513 --> 00:31:08.393
because we're afraid, we don't care
00:31:08.393 --> 00:31:09.803
about those values very much.
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That is a pretty inspiring answer
00:31:12.070 --> 00:31:13.279
to the question:
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"Hey, why did you just send me
00:31:14.753 --> 00:31:16.260
a picture of your dick?"
00:31:17.670 --> 00:31:20.020
"Because I love America, that's why."
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So there you have it, America.
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All of us should now be equipped
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to have this vital debate.
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Because by June 1
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it is imperative we have a rational
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adult conversation
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about whether our safety is worth
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living in a country of barely regulated
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government-sanctioned dick-sheriffs.
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And with my work here done
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there was just time to take care of
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one more thing.
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Finally, congratulations on Citizenfour
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winning the Oscar.
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I know you couldn't be at the ceremony
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for obvious reasons, so...
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Wow.
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I thought we'd celebrate ourselves.
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Cheers.
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Wow, that's...
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that's really something.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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What's the over/under on me
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getting home safely?
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Well, if you weren't on the list before,
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you are now.
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Is that like, uhm...
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Is that like a figu... is that like a joke
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or is that actually possible?
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No, it's... it's a real thing.
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You're associated now.
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Okay.
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Just to be clear NSA:
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I never met this guy
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so take me off you're f*cking list.
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I do not want to get stuck in Russia.
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I want to go home I want to go home
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Now, just for the record.
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Just so you know.
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We got in touch with the NSA,
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the National Security Council,
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and the White House.
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And we asked them to comment
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on the dick-pick capabilities
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of each of the programs Edward Snowden
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just discussed.
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Which -incidentally- were some very fun
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emails to write to government agencies.
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They did not wish to comment on the record.
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And I can see why
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for every possible reason.