1 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:06,235 Our main story tonight 2 00:00:06,235 --> 00:00:07,780 is government surveillance. 3 00:00:07,780 --> 00:00:09,251 And I realize most people 4 00:00:09,258 --> 00:00:10,478 would rather have a conversation 5 00:00:10,478 --> 00:00:12,758 about literally any other topic. 6 00:00:12,768 --> 00:00:14,258 Including: 'Is my smartphone 7 00:00:14,268 --> 00:00:15,203 giving me cancer?' 8 00:00:15,203 --> 00:00:17,077 To which the answer is: Probably. 9 00:00:17,077 --> 00:00:19,130 Or: 'Do goldfish suffer from depression?' 10 00:00:19,130 --> 00:00:20,286 To which the answer is: 11 00:00:20,286 --> 00:00:21,839 Yes, but very briefly. 12 00:00:22,529 --> 00:00:24,382 But the fact is: 13 00:00:24,382 --> 00:00:25,382 It is vital 14 00:00:25,382 --> 00:00:27,349 that we have a discussion about this now. 15 00:00:27,349 --> 00:00:28,618 Because an important date 16 00:00:28,618 --> 00:00:30,527 is just around the corner. 17 00:00:30,527 --> 00:00:32,326 One big day to circle on the calendar 18 00:00:32,326 --> 00:00:33,261 when it comes to 19 00:00:33,261 --> 00:00:34,656 a very controversial subject. 20 00:00:34,656 --> 00:00:36,512 The re-authorization of the Patriot Act 21 00:00:36,512 --> 00:00:37,404 and all of the 22 00:00:37,404 --> 00:00:38,974 controversial provisions therein. 23 00:00:38,974 --> 00:00:41,016 June 1 they've got to come to an agreement 24 00:00:41,016 --> 00:00:41,864 to re-authorize 25 00:00:41,864 --> 00:00:43,592 or curtail those programs. 26 00:00:43,592 --> 00:00:45,560 Yes. Some controversial provisions 27 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,293 within the Patriot Act 28 00:00:47,293 --> 00:00:49,102 are set to expire on June 1. 29 00:00:49,102 --> 00:00:50,563 So circle that date 30 00:00:50,563 --> 00:00:52,019 on your calendars, everyone. 31 00:00:52,019 --> 00:00:53,135 And while you're at it: 32 00:00:53,135 --> 00:00:54,798 Circle June 2 as well. 33 00:00:54,798 --> 00:00:56,698 Because that's Justin Long's birthday. 34 00:00:56,698 --> 00:00:58,674 You all forgot last year... 35 00:00:58,674 --> 00:01:00,099 and he f*cking noticed. 36 00:01:00,989 --> 00:01:03,904 Now, over the last couple of years 37 00:01:03,904 --> 00:01:05,638 you've probably heard a lot about 38 00:01:05,638 --> 00:01:07,373 strange-sounding programs. Such as: 39 00:01:07,373 --> 00:01:10,527 X-Keyscore, Muscular, Prism, and Mystic. 40 00:01:10,527 --> 00:01:12,656 Which are, coincidentally, also the names 41 00:01:12,656 --> 00:01:13,691 of some of Florida's 42 00:01:13,691 --> 00:01:15,257 least popular stripclubs. 43 00:01:16,247 --> 00:01:17,462 "Welcome to X-Keyscore! 44 00:01:17,462 --> 00:01:19,472 Our dancers are fully un-redacted 45 00:01:19,472 --> 00:01:21,819 and Tuesday is wing-night!" 46 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:24,749 But if you don't mind, I would like 47 00:01:24,749 --> 00:01:26,746 to refresh your memory over some of this. 48 00:01:26,746 --> 00:01:28,296 And let's start our focussing on the most 49 00:01:28,296 --> 00:01:30,340 controversial portion of the Patriot Act 50 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:31,897 that is up for renewal: 51 00:01:31,897 --> 00:01:33,456 Section 215. 52 00:01:33,456 --> 00:01:35,348 Which, I'm aware, sounds like the name 53 00:01:35,348 --> 00:01:37,236 of an Eastern European boy-band. 54 00:01:37,846 --> 00:01:39,389 "We are Section 215." 55 00:01:39,389 --> 00:01:41,252 "Prepare to have your hearts... 56 00:01:41,252 --> 00:01:42,306 throbbed." 57 00:01:43,456 --> 00:01:47,267 There's the cute one, the bad-boy, 58 00:01:47,267 --> 00:01:49,154 the one who strangled a potato-farmer, 59 00:01:49,154 --> 00:01:51,080 and the one without an iron-deficiency. 60 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,220 They're incredible. 61 00:01:52,622 --> 00:01:56,092 But the content of the real Section 215 62 00:01:56,092 --> 00:01:58,516 is actually even more sinister. 63 00:01:58,516 --> 00:02:00,189 It's called Section 215. 64 00:02:00,189 --> 00:02:02,784 Nicknamed: the library records provision. 65 00:02:02,784 --> 00:02:04,613 Which allows the government to require 66 00:02:04,613 --> 00:02:06,487 businesses to hand over records of any 67 00:02:06,487 --> 00:02:09,248 "any tangible things" 68 00:02:09,248 --> 00:02:10,884 including: books, records, papers, 69 00:02:10,884 --> 00:02:12,738 documents, and other items. 70 00:02:12,738 --> 00:02:15,092 If that sounds broad, it's because 71 00:02:15,092 --> 00:02:16,763 it was very much written that way. 72 00:02:16,763 --> 00:02:18,620 Section 215 says the government can ask 73 00:02:18,620 --> 00:02:21,712 for "any tangible things" so long as it's 74 00:02:21,712 --> 00:02:23,758 "for an investigation to protect 75 00:02:23,758 --> 00:02:25,389 against international terrorism". 76 00:02:25,389 --> 00:02:27,009 Which is basically a blank cheque. 77 00:02:27,009 --> 00:02:28,872 It's letting a teenager borrow the car 78 00:02:28,872 --> 00:02:30,666 under the strict condition that they 79 00:02:30,666 --> 00:02:33,042 only use it for 'car-related activities'. 80 00:02:33,042 --> 00:02:35,222 "Okay, mom and dad, I'm gonna use this 81 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:37,482 for a hand-job in a Wendy's parking lot 82 00:02:37,482 --> 00:02:38,699 but that is car-related, 83 00:02:38,699 --> 00:02:40,479 so I think I'm covered." 84 00:02:41,345 --> 00:02:43,143 Section 215 is overseen 85 00:02:43,143 --> 00:02:44,884 by a secret intelligence-court 86 00:02:44,884 --> 00:02:46,425 known as the FISA-court. 87 00:02:46,425 --> 00:02:48,056 And they've interpreted it to mean 88 00:02:48,056 --> 00:02:50,101 the government could basically collect and 89 00:02:50,101 --> 00:02:52,332 store phone-records for every American. 90 00:02:52,332 --> 00:02:54,188 The vast majority of whom, of course 91 00:02:54,188 --> 00:02:56,328 have no connection to terrorism. 92 00:02:56,328 --> 00:02:58,811 Unless, Aunt Cheryl has been gravely 93 00:02:58,811 --> 00:03:00,463 mis-characterizing the activities 94 00:03:00,463 --> 00:03:01,976 of her needle-point club. 95 00:03:01,976 --> 00:03:03,072 "It's a sleeper-cell, 96 00:03:03,072 --> 00:03:04,858 isn't is, Aunt Cheryl?" 97 00:03:04,858 --> 00:03:06,755 "You will hang for this, Aunt Cheryl." 98 00:03:06,755 --> 00:03:08,736 "You're a traitor and a terrible aunt." 99 00:03:08,736 --> 00:03:10,466 "Not in that order." 100 00:03:11,696 --> 00:03:14,265 Now, the government will point out 101 00:03:14,265 --> 00:03:17,205 that under 215, they hold phone-records 102 00:03:17,205 --> 00:03:19,315 and not the calls themselves. 103 00:03:19,315 --> 00:03:24,283 What the intelligence-community is doing 104 00:03:24,283 --> 00:03:27,803 is looking at phone-numbers 105 00:03:29,299 --> 00:03:30,937 and durations of calls 106 00:03:30,937 --> 00:03:33,720 they are not looking at peoples names 107 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,100 and they are not looking at content. 108 00:03:36,643 --> 00:03:39,873 Yes, but that's not entirely reassuring. 109 00:03:39,873 --> 00:03:41,616 Because you can extrapolate a lot 110 00:03:41,616 --> 00:03:43,106 from that information. 111 00:03:43,106 --> 00:03:45,428 If they knew that you'd called your ex 112 00:03:45,428 --> 00:03:48,412 12 times last night, between 1 and 4 AM, 113 00:03:48,412 --> 00:03:50,726 for a duration of 15 minutes each time, 114 00:03:50,726 --> 00:03:52,725 they can be fairly sure that you left 115 00:03:52,725 --> 00:03:54,751 some pretty pathetic voice-mails. 116 00:03:54,751 --> 00:03:55,791 "I don't care 117 00:03:55,792 --> 00:03:57,336 whose monitoring this call, Vicky." 118 00:03:57,336 --> 00:03:58,524 "We should be together!" 119 00:03:58,524 --> 00:04:00,201 Pick up the phone, dammit! 120 00:04:00,201 --> 00:04:02,701 I'm a human being, not an animal!" 121 00:04:03,580 --> 00:04:05,316 Now, the Patriot-act was written 122 00:04:05,316 --> 00:04:07,017 just after 9-11. 123 00:04:07,017 --> 00:04:08,444 And for years it was extended 124 00:04:08,444 --> 00:04:09,591 and re-authorized 125 00:04:09,591 --> 00:04:11,444 with barely a passing thought. 126 00:04:11,444 --> 00:04:13,189 In fact, it became so routine, 127 00:04:13,189 --> 00:04:16,005 that when it was extended in 2011, 128 00:04:16,005 --> 00:04:17,722 one newscast just tacked it 129 00:04:17,722 --> 00:04:19,170 onto the end of a report 130 00:04:19,170 --> 00:04:20,963 about a Presidential trip abroad. 131 00:04:20,963 --> 00:04:22,276 Chip Reid. CBS-news. 132 00:04:22,276 --> 00:04:23,664 Travelling with the President 133 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:25,079 in Deauville, France. 134 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:26,650 Also in France, by the way, 135 00:04:26,650 --> 00:04:28,249 President Obama signed in a law, 136 00:04:28,249 --> 00:04:29,626 4-year extension 137 00:04:29,626 --> 00:04:32,133 of the terrorism fighting Patriot-Act. 138 00:04:32,133 --> 00:04:34,243 Also in France, by the way? 139 00:04:34,903 --> 00:04:35,825 By the way? 140 00:04:35,825 --> 00:04:36,670 He threw that in, 141 00:04:36,670 --> 00:04:38,659 like a mother telling her grown daughter 142 00:04:38,659 --> 00:04:40,536 that her childhood pet just died. 143 00:04:40,536 --> 00:04:42,253 "Oh, nice talking to you, sweety. 144 00:04:42,253 --> 00:04:44,114 Also, by the way, Mr. Peppers is dead. 145 00:04:44,114 --> 00:04:45,934 See you at Christmas." BANG 146 00:04:47,019 --> 00:04:48,356 But all of that, 147 00:04:48,356 --> 00:04:50,491 was before the public was made aware 148 00:04:50,491 --> 00:04:52,081 of what the government's capabilities 149 00:04:52,081 --> 00:04:53,480 actually were. 150 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,137 'Cause that all ended in June of 2013. 151 00:04:57,137 --> 00:04:58,335 Edward Snowden has just 152 00:04:58,335 --> 00:05:00,047 taken responsibility for one of the 153 00:05:00,047 --> 00:05:02,117 biggest government leaks in US history. 154 00:05:02,117 --> 00:05:03,741 We learned that the government has 155 00:05:03,741 --> 00:05:04,750 the capacity to track 156 00:05:04,750 --> 00:05:06,590 virtually every American phone-call 157 00:05:06,590 --> 00:05:08,448 and to scoop up impossibly vast 158 00:05:08,448 --> 00:05:10,490 quantities of data across the internet. 159 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:12,769 Revelations that the NSA eavesdropped 160 00:05:12,769 --> 00:05:13,859 on world leaders. 161 00:05:13,859 --> 00:05:15,196 If you've ever been to the Bahamas, 162 00:05:15,196 --> 00:05:17,197 the NSA could've recorded your phone-calls 163 00:05:17,197 --> 00:05:19,496 and stored them for up to a month. 164 00:05:19,496 --> 00:05:21,674 All that information was exposed 165 00:05:21,674 --> 00:05:22,766 by Edward Snowden. 166 00:05:22,766 --> 00:05:24,557 And it is still kind of incredible, 167 00:05:24,557 --> 00:05:26,211 that a 29-year-old contractor 168 00:05:26,211 --> 00:05:28,189 was able to steal top-secret documents 169 00:05:28,189 --> 00:05:29,579 from an organization 170 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:31,991 that LITERALLY has the word 'security' 171 00:05:31,991 --> 00:05:33,411 in it's name. 172 00:05:33,783 --> 00:05:35,562 Clearly, that was not great for them. 173 00:05:35,562 --> 00:05:37,369 The only place where it should be THAT 174 00:05:37,369 --> 00:05:39,391 easy for employees in their 20ies to steal 175 00:05:39,391 --> 00:05:40,721 is a Lid store. 176 00:05:41,511 --> 00:05:43,241 "Dude, you sure I should take this?" 177 00:05:43,241 --> 00:05:45,206 "Relax, dude, it's a Miami Marlins-cap, 178 00:05:45,206 --> 00:05:46,458 we're not exactly selling 179 00:05:46,458 --> 00:05:47,998 Fabergé eggs here." 180 00:05:49,261 --> 00:05:51,221 It is still unclear, 181 00:05:51,221 --> 00:05:52,944 exactly how many documents 182 00:05:52,944 --> 00:05:54,471 Edward Snowden stole. 183 00:05:54,471 --> 00:05:55,864 Although he is consistently trying 184 00:05:55,864 --> 00:05:57,266 to re-assure people that he put them 185 00:05:57,266 --> 00:05:58,456 in good hands. 186 00:05:58,781 --> 00:06:01,217 Honestly, I don't want to be the person 187 00:06:01,217 --> 00:06:03,079 making the decisions on what should 188 00:06:03,079 --> 00:06:04,585 be public and what shouldn't. 189 00:06:04,585 --> 00:06:05,481 Which is why 190 00:06:05,481 --> 00:06:08,067 rather than publishing these on my own 191 00:06:08,067 --> 00:06:10,449 or putting them out openly, 192 00:06:10,449 --> 00:06:12,276 I'm running them through journalists. 193 00:06:12,276 --> 00:06:13,938 Well, that sounds great. 194 00:06:13,938 --> 00:06:15,892 But of course it's not a fail-safe plan. 195 00:06:15,892 --> 00:06:17,435 As was proven when the New York Times 196 00:06:17,435 --> 00:06:19,085 published this slide, 197 00:06:19,085 --> 00:06:20,347 but did such a sloppy job 198 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:22,148 of blocking out redacted information, 199 00:06:22,148 --> 00:06:23,799 that some people were able to read 200 00:06:23,799 --> 00:06:25,736 the information behind that black bar, 201 00:06:25,736 --> 00:06:27,691 which concerned how the US was monitoring 202 00:06:27,691 --> 00:06:28,843 Al Qaida in Mosul. 203 00:06:28,843 --> 00:06:31,260 A group now known as ISIS. 204 00:06:31,260 --> 00:06:32,233 So essentially, 205 00:06:32,233 --> 00:06:33,975 a national security secret was leaked, 206 00:06:33,975 --> 00:06:35,235 because no-one at the Times 207 00:06:35,235 --> 00:06:37,825 knows how to use Microsoft Paint. 208 00:06:39,056 --> 00:06:41,286 And look, you can think 209 00:06:41,286 --> 00:06:43,591 that Snowden did the wrong thing, or 210 00:06:43,591 --> 00:06:44,845 did it in the wrong way. 211 00:06:44,845 --> 00:06:46,066 But the fact is: 212 00:06:46,066 --> 00:06:47,442 we have this information now, 213 00:06:47,442 --> 00:06:49,018 and we no longer get the luxury 214 00:06:49,018 --> 00:06:50,898 of pleading ignorance. 215 00:06:50,898 --> 00:06:52,677 It's like you can't go to Sea World 216 00:06:52,677 --> 00:06:54,768 and pretend that Shamu's happy anymore. 217 00:06:54,768 --> 00:06:56,275 When we now know 218 00:06:56,275 --> 00:06:58,006 at least half the water in her tank 219 00:06:58,006 --> 00:06:59,486 is whale-tears. 220 00:06:59,486 --> 00:07:01,149 We know that now. 221 00:07:01,149 --> 00:07:03,339 You can't un-know that information. 222 00:07:04,051 --> 00:07:06,326 So you have to bear that in mind. 223 00:07:06,326 --> 00:07:07,757 But here's the thing: 224 00:07:07,757 --> 00:07:09,266 It's now 2 years later, 225 00:07:09,266 --> 00:07:10,866 and it seems like we've kind of 226 00:07:10,866 --> 00:07:12,124 forgotten to have a debate 227 00:07:12,124 --> 00:07:14,104 over the content of what Snowden leaked. 228 00:07:14,104 --> 00:07:15,969 A recent Pew-report found that nearly 229 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:17,858 half of Americans say that they're 230 00:07:17,858 --> 00:07:19,095 'not very concerned' 231 00:07:19,095 --> 00:07:20,870 or 'not at all concerned' 232 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:22,462 about government surveillance. 233 00:07:22,462 --> 00:07:23,530 Which is fine. 234 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:25,320 If that's an informed opinion. 235 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,924 But I'm not sure that it is. 236 00:07:26,924 --> 00:07:28,786 Because we actually sent a camera-crew 237 00:07:28,786 --> 00:07:30,485 to Times Square to ask 238 00:07:30,485 --> 00:07:32,162 some random passers by 239 00:07:32,162 --> 00:07:33,355 who Edward Snowden was 240 00:07:33,355 --> 00:07:34,536 and what he did. 241 00:07:34,536 --> 00:07:36,676 And there are the responses that we got. 242 00:07:36,676 --> 00:07:38,821 I have no idea who Edward Snowden is. 243 00:07:38,821 --> 00:07:41,801 Have no idea who Edward Snowden is. 244 00:07:41,808 --> 00:07:44,334 I've heard the name, I just can't picture, 245 00:07:44,334 --> 00:07:46,626 think right now exactly what it is. 246 00:07:46,626 --> 00:07:48,558 Edward Snowden... 247 00:07:48,558 --> 00:07:50,446 No. I do not. 248 00:07:50,446 --> 00:07:51,903 Just for the record, 249 00:07:51,903 --> 00:07:53,475 that wasn't cherry picking. 250 00:07:53,475 --> 00:07:55,365 That was entirely reflective 251 00:07:55,365 --> 00:07:56,581 of everyone we spoke to. 252 00:07:56,581 --> 00:07:57,590 Although, to be fair: 253 00:07:57,590 --> 00:07:59,261 some people did remember his name, 254 00:07:59,261 --> 00:08:01,320 they just couldn't remember why. 255 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,054 He sold some information to people. 256 00:08:04,054 --> 00:08:06,270 He revealed some information 257 00:08:06,270 --> 00:08:08,974 that shouldn't have been revealed. 258 00:08:08,974 --> 00:08:10,574 I think from what I remember is 259 00:08:10,574 --> 00:08:12,033 the information that he shared 260 00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:14,273 was detrimental to our military secrets? 261 00:08:14,273 --> 00:08:16,206 And keeping our soldiers and our country 262 00:08:16,206 --> 00:08:16,956 safe? 263 00:08:16,956 --> 00:08:19,340 He leaked documents what the US Army's 264 00:08:19,340 --> 00:08:20,803 operations in Iraq. 265 00:08:20,803 --> 00:08:22,828 Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of 266 00:08:22,828 --> 00:08:24,978 of secrets, I guess, or information 267 00:08:24,978 --> 00:08:26,384 into Wiki, Wikileaks? 268 00:08:26,384 --> 00:08:27,888 Edward Snowden leaked... 269 00:08:27,888 --> 00:08:29,445 Ah, he's in charge of Wikileaks? 270 00:08:29,445 --> 00:08:30,939 Edward Snowden revealed a lot of 271 00:08:30,939 --> 00:08:32,969 documents through Wikileaks...? 272 00:08:34,991 --> 00:08:36,291 Okay, so here's the thing: 273 00:08:36,291 --> 00:08:38,704 Edward Snowden is NOT the Wikileaks guy. 274 00:08:38,704 --> 00:08:41,195 The Wikileaks guy is Julian Assange. 275 00:08:41,195 --> 00:08:42,674 And you do not want 276 00:08:42,674 --> 00:08:43,820 to be confused with him. 277 00:08:43,820 --> 00:08:45,648 Partly because he was far less careful 278 00:08:45,648 --> 00:08:47,459 than Snowden in what he released, 279 00:08:47,459 --> 00:08:48,393 and how. 280 00:08:48,393 --> 00:08:49,905 And partly because he resembles 281 00:08:49,905 --> 00:08:51,630 a sandwich-bag full of biscuit-dough 282 00:08:51,630 --> 00:08:53,209 wearing a Stevie Nicks-wig. 283 00:08:54,139 --> 00:08:56,553 And that is, that is ciritical. 284 00:08:56,553 --> 00:08:58,965 Julian Assange is not a like-able man. 285 00:08:58,965 --> 00:09:01,556 Even Benedict Cumberbatch could not 286 00:09:01,556 --> 00:09:03,312 make him like-able. 287 00:09:03,312 --> 00:09:05,422 He's un-Cumberbatch-able. 288 00:09:06,114 --> 00:09:07,271 That was supposed to be 289 00:09:07,271 --> 00:09:08,881 physically impossible. 290 00:09:09,442 --> 00:09:10,640 But I don't blame people 291 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,848 for being confused. 292 00:09:11,848 --> 00:09:13,122 We've been looking at this story 293 00:09:13,122 --> 00:09:14,556 for the last 2 weeks, 294 00:09:14,556 --> 00:09:17,192 and it is hard to get your head around. 295 00:09:17,192 --> 00:09:18,807 Not just because there are so many 296 00:09:18,807 --> 00:09:20,769 complicated programs to keep track of, 297 00:09:20,769 --> 00:09:21,963 but also because 298 00:09:21,963 --> 00:09:23,787 there are no easy answers here. 299 00:09:23,787 --> 00:09:26,316 We all naturally want perfect privacy, 300 00:09:26,316 --> 00:09:28,536 and perfect safety. 301 00:09:28,536 --> 00:09:31,170 But those 2 things cannot coexist. 302 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:32,565 It's like how you can't have 303 00:09:32,565 --> 00:09:34,545 a badass pet falcon... 304 00:09:34,545 --> 00:09:37,235 and an adorable pet vole named Herbert. 305 00:09:39,140 --> 00:09:41,397 Either you have to lose one of them, 306 00:09:41,397 --> 00:09:43,310 which obviously you don't want to do. 307 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:45,159 Or you have to accept some reasonable 308 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:46,899 restrictions on both of them. 309 00:09:47,432 --> 00:09:49,925 Now to be fair, the NSA will argue 310 00:09:49,925 --> 00:09:52,092 that just because they CAN do something 311 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:53,612 doesn't mean they DO do it. 312 00:09:53,612 --> 00:09:55,424 And, that there are restrictions 313 00:09:55,424 --> 00:09:57,039 on their operations, 314 00:09:57,039 --> 00:09:58,368 such as the FISA-court, 315 00:09:58,368 --> 00:10:00,587 which must approve requests for 316 00:10:00,587 --> 00:10:01,692 foreign surveillance. 317 00:10:01,692 --> 00:10:02,318 But. 318 00:10:02,318 --> 00:10:04,775 In 34 years, that court has approved 319 00:10:04,775 --> 00:10:07,116 over 35000 applications, 320 00:10:07,116 --> 00:10:09,146 and only rejected 12. 321 00:10:10,101 --> 00:10:12,677 Yes. Much like Robert Durst's second wife. 322 00:10:12,677 --> 00:10:16,156 The FISA-court is alarmingly accepting. 323 00:10:16,156 --> 00:10:18,073 "Listen, Robert" 324 00:10:18,073 --> 00:10:20,399 "I'm not gonna ask you too many questions. 325 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,456 I'm just gonna give you the benefit of a 326 00:10:22,456 --> 00:10:24,302 doubt that you clearly don't deserve." 327 00:10:24,302 --> 00:10:27,522 At least tell him to blink and burp less. 328 00:10:29,366 --> 00:10:31,980 The burping might be the most troubling 329 00:10:31,980 --> 00:10:33,740 thing about that show. 330 00:10:35,403 --> 00:10:38,052 So, so maybe it's time for us to talk. 331 00:10:38,052 --> 00:10:39,961 About where the limits should be. 332 00:10:39,961 --> 00:10:41,971 And the best place to start would be 333 00:10:41,984 --> 00:10:43,840 Section 215. 334 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,501 Not just because it's the easiest one 335 00:10:45,501 --> 00:10:46,514 to understand, 336 00:10:46,514 --> 00:10:47,968 but there is wide-spread agreement 337 00:10:47,968 --> 00:10:49,634 it needs to be reformed. 338 00:10:49,634 --> 00:10:51,595 From the President, to Ted Cruz, 339 00:10:51,595 --> 00:10:54,469 to both the ACLU and the NRA, 340 00:10:54,469 --> 00:10:55,400 to even the guy 341 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,420 who wrote the thing in the first place. 342 00:10:57,420 --> 00:10:58,634 I was the principal author 343 00:10:58,634 --> 00:10:59,832 of the Patriot Act. 344 00:10:59,832 --> 00:11:03,461 I can say, that without qualification 345 00:11:03,461 --> 00:11:05,967 Congress never did intend to allow 346 00:11:05,967 --> 00:11:07,161 bulk-collections 347 00:11:07,161 --> 00:11:09,273 when it passed Section 215. 348 00:11:09,273 --> 00:11:11,650 And no fair reading of the text 349 00:11:11,650 --> 00:11:13,887 would allow for this program. 350 00:11:13,887 --> 00:11:15,148 Think about that. 351 00:11:15,148 --> 00:11:16,515 He was the author. 352 00:11:16,515 --> 00:11:18,213 That's the legislative equivalent 353 00:11:18,213 --> 00:11:19,121 of Lewis Carroll 354 00:11:19,121 --> 00:11:20,983 seeing the tea-cups ride at Disney Land 355 00:11:20,983 --> 00:11:21,785 and saying: 356 00:11:21,785 --> 00:11:23,607 "This has got to be reined in. 357 00:11:23,607 --> 00:11:25,177 No fair reading of my text 358 00:11:25,177 --> 00:11:26,877 would allow for this ride." 359 00:11:27,085 --> 00:11:28,850 "You've turned my perfectly nice tale 360 00:11:28,850 --> 00:11:30,238 of psychedelic paedofilia 361 00:11:30,238 --> 00:11:32,368 into a garish vomitorium." 362 00:11:34,112 --> 00:11:35,792 "This is not what I wanted!" 363 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,057 And even the NSA has said 364 00:11:39,057 --> 00:11:41,384 that the number of terror-plots in the US 365 00:11:41,384 --> 00:11:42,437 that the Section 215 366 00:11:42,437 --> 00:11:44,669 telephone-records program has disrupted... 367 00:11:44,669 --> 00:11:46,051 ...is 1. 368 00:11:46,051 --> 00:11:47,384 And it's worth noting: 369 00:11:47,384 --> 00:11:49,046 that one particular plot 370 00:11:49,046 --> 00:11:51,420 involved a cabdriver in San Diego 371 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:54,430 who gave $8500 to a terror-group. 372 00:11:54,430 --> 00:11:56,858 And that is the shittiest terrorist-plot 373 00:11:56,858 --> 00:11:57,917 I've ever seen. 374 00:11:57,917 --> 00:11:59,333 Other than the plot of 375 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:01,433 A Good Day To Die Hard. 376 00:12:02,183 --> 00:12:04,378 But here's the big problem here: 377 00:12:04,378 --> 00:12:06,626 If we let Section 215 get renewed 378 00:12:06,626 --> 00:12:07,949 in it's current form 379 00:12:07,949 --> 00:12:09,421 without serious public debate 380 00:12:09,421 --> 00:12:10,581 we're in trouble. 381 00:12:10,581 --> 00:12:11,672 Because Section 215 382 00:12:11,672 --> 00:12:13,183 is the canary in the coal-mine. 383 00:12:13,183 --> 00:12:14,342 If we cannot fix that 384 00:12:14,342 --> 00:12:16,354 we're not gonna fix any of them. 385 00:12:16,354 --> 00:12:18,563 And the public debate so far 386 00:12:18,563 --> 00:12:20,886 has been absolutely pathetic. 387 00:12:20,886 --> 00:12:21,668 A year ago 388 00:12:21,668 --> 00:12:22,910 a former congresswoman was 389 00:12:22,910 --> 00:12:25,823 discussing the 215 program on the news. 390 00:12:25,823 --> 00:12:27,405 Watch wat happened. 391 00:12:27,405 --> 00:12:29,147 This vast collection of data 392 00:12:29,147 --> 00:12:31,533 is not that useful 393 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:34,414 and infringes substantially 394 00:12:34,414 --> 00:12:35,496 on personal privacy. 395 00:12:35,496 --> 00:12:37,601 I think at this point we should 396 00:12:37,601 --> 00:12:41,916 seriously consider not continuing... 397 00:12:41,916 --> 00:12:44,791 Congress woman Harmen, let me interru.. 398 00:12:44,791 --> 00:12:47,111 Let me interrupt you just for one moment. 399 00:12:47,111 --> 00:12:48,611 We've got some breaking news out of Miami. 400 00:12:48,611 --> 00:12:50,411 Stand by if you will. 401 00:12:50,411 --> 00:12:51,301 Right now in Miami 402 00:12:51,301 --> 00:12:52,487 Justin Bieber 403 00:12:52,487 --> 00:12:54,596 has been arrested on a number of charges. 404 00:12:54,596 --> 00:12:57,097 The judge is reading the charges 405 00:12:57,097 --> 00:12:58,844 including resisting arrest 406 00:12:58,844 --> 00:13:00,493 and driving under the influence. 407 00:13:00,493 --> 00:13:01,895 He's appearing now before the judge 408 00:13:01,895 --> 00:13:02,787 for his bond-hearing. 409 00:13:02,787 --> 00:13:03,547 Let's watch. 410 00:13:07,683 --> 00:13:09,017 Actually, you know what? 411 00:13:09,017 --> 00:13:11,014 Bad news, we're gonna have to interrupt 412 00:13:11,014 --> 00:13:12,719 your interruption of the Bieber news 413 00:13:12,719 --> 00:13:14,109 for a new interruption. 414 00:13:14,109 --> 00:13:16,184 This time featuring a YouTube video of a 415 00:13:16,184 --> 00:13:17,986 tortoise having sex with a plastic clog. 416 00:13:17,986 --> 00:13:19,346 Let's watch. 417 00:13:30,564 --> 00:13:33,075 That. Is essentially the current tone 418 00:13:33,075 --> 00:13:34,925 of this vitally important debate. 419 00:13:38,478 --> 00:13:39,319 And again: 420 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,507 I'm not saying 421 00:13:40,507 --> 00:13:42,495 this is an easy conversation. 422 00:13:42,495 --> 00:13:43,913 But we have to have it. 423 00:13:43,913 --> 00:13:45,185 I know this is confusing. 424 00:13:45,185 --> 00:13:46,463 And unfortunately the most 425 00:13:46,463 --> 00:13:47,893 obvious person to talk to 426 00:13:47,893 --> 00:13:49,898 about this is Edward Snowden. 427 00:13:49,898 --> 00:13:51,677 But he currently lives in Russia. 428 00:13:51,677 --> 00:13:53,209 Meaning: if you wanted to ask him 429 00:13:53,209 --> 00:13:54,334 about any of these issues 430 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:55,176 you'd have to fly 431 00:13:55,176 --> 00:13:56,650 all the way there to do it. 432 00:13:56,650 --> 00:13:58,624 And it is not a pleasant flight. 433 00:13:59,624 --> 00:14:01,440 And the reason I know that... 434 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,955 is that last week, I went to Russia 435 00:14:03,955 --> 00:14:05,645 to speak to Edward Snowden. 436 00:14:06,190 --> 00:14:07,810 And this is what happened. 437 00:14:09,928 --> 00:14:13,161 Yes, last week I spent 48 paranoid hours 438 00:14:13,161 --> 00:14:14,370 in Moscow. 439 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:15,913 Arguably the last place on earth 440 00:14:15,913 --> 00:14:16,816 where you can find 441 00:14:16,816 --> 00:14:19,211 an overweight Josef Stalin impersonator 442 00:14:19,211 --> 00:14:21,941 arguing with an unconvincing fake Lenin. 443 00:14:22,396 --> 00:14:23,481 And after experiencing 444 00:14:23,481 --> 00:14:25,945 Russia's famously warm hospitality 445 00:14:25,945 --> 00:14:27,924 I went to meet Edward Snowden. 446 00:14:27,924 --> 00:14:30,024 Who is supposed to show up in this room 447 00:14:30,024 --> 00:14:31,097 at noon. 448 00:14:31,097 --> 00:14:32,658 However, after 5 minutes after 449 00:14:32,658 --> 00:14:34,556 the interview was scheduled to begin 450 00:14:34,556 --> 00:14:36,697 I had a troubling thought. 451 00:14:36,697 --> 00:14:38,127 I don't know. 452 00:14:39,026 --> 00:14:40,426 Do you think he's coming? 453 00:14:42,444 --> 00:14:44,139 'Cause my argument is: 454 00:14:40,426 --> 00:14:41,734 Yeah, he's coming. 455 00:14:44,139 --> 00:14:45,769 Why would he? 456 00:14:45,769 --> 00:14:47,729 When you think about it. 457 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,922 I got 2000 roebels 458 00:14:50,922 --> 00:14:53,159 that says he doesn't make it. 459 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,469 Without understanding how much that is. 460 00:15:00,365 --> 00:15:01,817 All I'm saying is... 461 00:15:01,817 --> 00:15:04,650 ...a 10-hour flight for an empty chair? 462 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:06,800 I'm gonna lose my shit. 463 00:15:10,338 --> 00:15:12,392 It turns out it may be a bit of a problem 464 00:15:12,392 --> 00:15:14,647 because our Russian producer 465 00:15:14,647 --> 00:15:18,582 booked us in a room directly overlooking 466 00:15:18,582 --> 00:15:21,302 the old KGB-building. 467 00:15:21,302 --> 00:15:22,146 And the home 468 00:15:22,146 --> 00:15:25,170 of the current Federal Security Bureau. 469 00:15:25,170 --> 00:15:26,716 And we've just been told... 470 00:15:26,716 --> 00:15:28,345 ...they know we're here. 471 00:15:28,345 --> 00:15:30,035 So uhm... 472 00:15:30,035 --> 00:15:32,212 So that happened. 473 00:15:37,543 --> 00:15:40,645 Uhm, just if the Russian... 474 00:15:40,645 --> 00:15:42,019 ...Russian KGB is listening: 475 00:15:42,019 --> 00:15:43,224 We'll ring the fire-alarm 476 00:15:43,224 --> 00:15:44,654 if he's not coming. 477 00:15:47,570 --> 00:15:48,910 Oh shit. 478 00:15:49,695 --> 00:15:51,405 Oh God. 479 00:15:57,732 --> 00:15:58,902 So sorry for the delay. 480 00:15:58,902 --> 00:16:00,455 It's fine, don't worry about it. 481 00:16:00,455 --> 00:16:02,378 HOLY SHIT. 482 00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:04,454 He actually came. 483 00:16:04,454 --> 00:16:06,685 Edward f*cking Snowden. 484 00:16:06,685 --> 00:16:09,660 The most famous hero and/or traitor 485 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:11,719 in recent American history! 486 00:16:11,719 --> 00:16:13,321 And I've started with a question 487 00:16:13,321 --> 00:16:15,423 designed to test his loyalties. 488 00:16:16,093 --> 00:16:18,193 How much do you miss America? 489 00:16:18,193 --> 00:16:21,656 You know, my country is something 490 00:16:21,656 --> 00:16:24,815 that travels with me, you know. 491 00:16:24,815 --> 00:16:26,498 It's not just a geogra... 492 00:16:26,498 --> 00:16:28,312 That's a way too complicated answer. 493 00:16:28,312 --> 00:16:29,822 The answer is: I miss it a lot. 494 00:16:29,822 --> 00:16:31,702 it's the greatest country in the world. 495 00:16:31,702 --> 00:16:32,701 I do miss my country. 496 00:16:32,701 --> 00:16:33,570 I do miss my home. 497 00:16:33,570 --> 00:16:34,551 I do miss my family. 498 00:16:34,551 --> 00:16:37,222 Do you miss hot pockets? 499 00:16:37,222 --> 00:16:38,715 Yes. 500 00:16:38,715 --> 00:16:41,295 I miss hot pockets. Very much. 501 00:16:41,303 --> 00:16:43,633 Okay. The entire state of Florida? 502 00:16:51,945 --> 00:16:53,249 Let's just let that silence 503 00:16:53,249 --> 00:16:54,719 hang in the air. 504 00:16:55,398 --> 00:16:57,245 Truck Nuts? 505 00:16:57,245 --> 00:16:58,391 Do you miss Truck Nuts? 506 00:16:58,391 --> 00:16:59,681 I don't know what they are. 507 00:16:59,681 --> 00:17:01,411 Lucky for you, Edward... 508 00:17:05,121 --> 00:17:07,018 Not just truck nuts. 509 00:17:07,018 --> 00:17:09,494 Stars and stripes Truck Nuts. 510 00:17:09,494 --> 00:17:11,714 That is 2 balls of liberty 511 00:17:11,715 --> 00:17:13,141 in a freedom sack. 512 00:17:13,141 --> 00:17:14,606 You really thought ahead. 513 00:17:14,606 --> 00:17:17,083 Well, at least one of us did. 514 00:17:17,083 --> 00:17:20,084 You know, 'cause of the... uhm... 515 00:17:20,084 --> 00:17:22,226 the quandary... the... 516 00:17:22,226 --> 00:17:25,417 Kafka-esque nightmare that you're in. 517 00:17:25,417 --> 00:17:28,037 Okay. Let's dive in. 518 00:17:28,037 --> 00:17:30,157 Why did you do this? 519 00:17:30,157 --> 00:17:31,580 The NSA has 520 00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:33,901 the greatest surveillance capabilities 521 00:17:33,901 --> 00:17:36,469 that we've ever seen in history. 522 00:17:36,469 --> 00:17:38,643 Now, what they will argue 523 00:17:38,643 --> 00:17:40,746 is that they don't use this 524 00:17:40,746 --> 00:17:43,225 for nefarious purposes 525 00:17:43,225 --> 00:17:45,376 against American citizens. 526 00:17:45,376 --> 00:17:47,757 In some ways that's true. 527 00:17:47,757 --> 00:17:50,428 But the real problem is that 528 00:17:50,428 --> 00:17:52,691 they're using these capabilities 529 00:17:52,691 --> 00:17:54,619 to make us vulnerable to them 530 00:17:54,619 --> 00:17:56,725 and then saying: 531 00:17:56,725 --> 00:17:58,667 "While I have a gun pointed at your head 532 00:17:58,667 --> 00:18:00,389 I'm not going to pull the trigger." 533 00:18:00,389 --> 00:18:01,522 "Trust me." 534 00:18:01,522 --> 00:18:04,467 So, what does the NSA you want look like? 535 00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:08,054 Because you applied for a job at the NSA. 536 00:18:08,054 --> 00:18:09,864 So you clearly see an inherent value 537 00:18:09,864 --> 00:18:11,972 in that shadowy organization. 538 00:18:11,972 --> 00:18:15,000 I worked with mass-surveillance systems 539 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,754 against Chinese hackers. 540 00:18:17,754 --> 00:18:19,045 I saw that, you know 541 00:18:19,045 --> 00:18:20,338 these things do have some purpose. 542 00:18:20,338 --> 00:18:21,502 And you want your spies 543 00:18:21,502 --> 00:18:22,984 to be good at spying. 544 00:18:22,984 --> 00:18:23,806 To be fair. 545 00:18:23,806 --> 00:18:24,529 Right. 546 00:18:24,529 --> 00:18:26,173 What you don't want is 547 00:18:26,173 --> 00:18:28,086 you don't want them spying inside 548 00:18:28,086 --> 00:18:29,253 their own country. 549 00:18:29,253 --> 00:18:32,684 Spies are great when they're on our side. 550 00:18:32,684 --> 00:18:33,794 But we can never forget 551 00:18:33,794 --> 00:18:35,342 that they're incredibly powerful 552 00:18:35,342 --> 00:18:36,567 and incredibly dangerous. 553 00:18:36,567 --> 00:18:38,043 And if they're off the leash... 554 00:18:38,043 --> 00:18:39,738 ...they can end up coming after us. 555 00:18:39,738 --> 00:18:40,770 But just to be clear: 556 00:18:40,770 --> 00:18:42,260 we're talking about 2 different things. 557 00:18:42,266 --> 00:18:43,227 Domestic surveillance 558 00:18:43,227 --> 00:18:44,899 and foreign surveillance. 559 00:18:44,899 --> 00:18:45,949 'Cause domestic surveillance 560 00:18:45,949 --> 00:18:48,275 Americans give some of a shit about. 561 00:18:48,275 --> 00:18:50,293 Foreign surveillance... 562 00:18:50,293 --> 00:18:52,678 ...they don't give any remote shit about. 563 00:18:52,678 --> 00:18:53,938 Well the second question is: 564 00:18:53,942 --> 00:18:56,080 When we talk about foreign surveillance 565 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,279 are we applying it in ways that are 566 00:18:58,279 --> 00:18:59,134 beneficial... 567 00:18:59,134 --> 00:19:00,184 No-one cares. 568 00:19:00,184 --> 00:19:00,922 In terms... 569 00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:02,223 They don't give a shit. 570 00:19:02,223 --> 00:19:04,805 We spied on UNICEF, the children's fund. 571 00:19:04,805 --> 00:19:06,094 Sure. 572 00:19:06,094 --> 00:19:09,564 We spied on lawyers negotiating... 573 00:19:09,569 --> 00:19:13,338 What was UNICEF doing? 574 00:19:13,338 --> 00:19:14,918 I mean, that's the question there. 575 00:19:14,918 --> 00:19:16,843 Isn't it? 576 00:19:16,843 --> 00:19:18,273 The question is: 577 00:19:18,273 --> 00:19:19,880 Are these projects valuable? 578 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,284 Are we going to be safer when we're spying 579 00:19:21,284 --> 00:19:23,355 on UNICEF and lawyers who are talking about 580 00:19:23,355 --> 00:19:26,071 the price of shrimp and clove cigarettes. 581 00:19:26,071 --> 00:19:27,792 I don't think people say that's good. 582 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:28,969 I think they'll say: 583 00:19:28,969 --> 00:19:30,530 I definitely don't care. 584 00:19:30,530 --> 00:19:32,722 Americans do not give a shit. 585 00:19:32,722 --> 00:19:33,723 I think you're right. 586 00:19:33,723 --> 00:19:35,220 About foreign surveillance. 587 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:37,236 What some people do care about 588 00:19:37,236 --> 00:19:38,476 is whether Snowden considered 589 00:19:38,482 --> 00:19:40,485 the adverse consequences of leaking 590 00:19:40,485 --> 00:19:42,760 so much information at once. 591 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,691 How many of those documents 592 00:19:44,691 --> 00:19:46,815 have you actually read? 593 00:19:46,815 --> 00:19:49,154 I've evaluated all the documents 594 00:19:49,154 --> 00:19:50,320 that are in the archive. 595 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,601 You've read every single one? 596 00:19:51,601 --> 00:19:54,188 I do understand what I've turned over. 597 00:19:54,188 --> 00:19:55,748 But there's a difference between 598 00:19:55,748 --> 00:19:58,522 understanding what's in the documents 599 00:19:58,522 --> 00:20:00,342 and reading what's in the documents. 600 00:20:00,342 --> 00:20:02,456 I recognized the concern. 601 00:20:02,456 --> 00:20:04,329 'Cause when you're handing over 602 00:20:04,329 --> 00:20:06,050 thousands of NSA documents, 603 00:20:06,050 --> 00:20:07,244 the last thing you want to do 604 00:20:07,244 --> 00:20:08,504 is read them. 605 00:20:09,681 --> 00:20:11,949 I think it's fair to be concerned about 606 00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:13,854 'did this person do enough?' 607 00:20:13,854 --> 00:20:14,837 'were they careful enough?' 608 00:20:14,837 --> 00:20:16,616 Especially when you're handling material 609 00:20:16,616 --> 00:20:19,226 like we know you are handling. 610 00:20:19,239 --> 00:20:20,590 Well, in my defense: 611 00:20:20,590 --> 00:20:21,888 I'm not handling anything anymore. 612 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:23,817 That's been passed to the journalists 613 00:20:23,817 --> 00:20:25,273 and they're using extraordinary 614 00:20:25,273 --> 00:20:27,209 security measures to make sure that this 615 00:20:27,209 --> 00:20:28,880 is reported in the most responsible way. 616 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,739 But, those are journalists 617 00:20:30,739 --> 00:20:33,870 with a lower technical skill-set than you. 618 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:34,831 That's true. 619 00:20:34,831 --> 00:20:35,549 But then they do understand 620 00:20:35,549 --> 00:20:36,868 just like you and I do. 621 00:20:36,868 --> 00:20:38,191 Just how important it is 622 00:20:38,191 --> 00:20:38,985 to get this right. 623 00:20:38,985 --> 00:20:41,015 So the New York Times took a slide 624 00:20:41,015 --> 00:20:42,931 didn't redact it properly... 625 00:20:42,931 --> 00:20:44,564 ...and 626 00:20:44,564 --> 00:20:45,757 in the end it was possible 627 00:20:45,757 --> 00:20:47,683 for people to see that something 628 00:20:47,683 --> 00:20:49,828 was being used in Mosul. 629 00:20:49,828 --> 00:20:51,128 On Al Qaida. 630 00:20:51,128 --> 00:20:52,762 That is a problem. 631 00:20:52,762 --> 00:20:53,937 Well, that's a f*ck-up. 632 00:20:53,937 --> 00:20:55,324 It is a f*ck-up. 633 00:20:55,324 --> 00:20:57,339 And these things do happen in reporting. 634 00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:58,956 In journalism we have to accept 635 00:20:58,956 --> 00:21:00,698 that some mistakes will be made. 636 00:21:00,698 --> 00:21:04,018 This is a fundamental concept of liberty. 637 00:21:04,021 --> 00:21:04,856 Right. 638 00:21:04,856 --> 00:21:07,249 But you have to own that then. 639 00:21:07,249 --> 00:21:09,749 You're giving documents with information 640 00:21:09,749 --> 00:21:11,746 you know could be harmful 641 00:21:11,746 --> 00:21:13,714 which could get out there. 642 00:21:13,714 --> 00:21:15,371 Yes. 643 00:21:15,371 --> 00:21:19,429 If people act in bad faith. 644 00:21:19,429 --> 00:21:20,576 You're not even talking about bad faith. 645 00:21:20,576 --> 00:21:22,025 You're talking about incompetence. 646 00:21:22,025 --> 00:21:22,919 We are. 647 00:21:22,919 --> 00:21:24,558 But you will never be 648 00:21:24,558 --> 00:21:27,877 completely free from risk 649 00:21:27,877 --> 00:21:28,895 if you're free. 650 00:21:28,895 --> 00:21:30,269 The only time you can be free from risk 651 00:21:30,269 --> 00:21:31,449 is when you're in prison. 652 00:21:32,432 --> 00:21:34,025 While the risks were significant 653 00:21:34,025 --> 00:21:36,189 Snowden himself has made it clear 654 00:21:36,189 --> 00:21:38,543 he feels the rewards have been worth it. 655 00:21:38,543 --> 00:21:40,100 You've said in you letters to Brasil: 656 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:41,753 "I was motivated by a believe that 657 00:21:41,753 --> 00:21:43,096 the citizens of the world deserve to 658 00:21:43,096 --> 00:21:45,064 understand the system in which they live. 659 00:21:45,064 --> 00:21:46,343 My greatest fear was that no-one 660 00:21:46,343 --> 00:21:48,041 would listen to my warning. 661 00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,041 Never have I been so glad 662 00:21:50,041 --> 00:21:51,434 to have been so wrong." 663 00:21:51,434 --> 00:21:53,176 How did that feel? 664 00:21:53,176 --> 00:21:55,738 I was initially terrified that this 665 00:21:55,738 --> 00:21:57,143 was going to be a 3-day story, 666 00:21:57,143 --> 00:21:58,356 everybody was going to forget about it. 667 00:21:58,356 --> 00:22:01,163 But when I saw that 668 00:22:01,163 --> 00:22:03,235 everybody around the world said: 669 00:22:03,235 --> 00:22:06,359 "Wow, this is a problem." 670 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,374 "We have to do something about this." 671 00:22:09,374 --> 00:22:10,558 It felt like vindication. 672 00:22:10,558 --> 00:22:11,856 Even in America? 673 00:22:11,856 --> 00:22:13,142 Even in America. 674 00:22:13,142 --> 00:22:15,033 And I think we're seeing something amazing 675 00:22:15,033 --> 00:22:19,039 which is if you ask... the American people 676 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,996 to make tough decisions 677 00:22:20,996 --> 00:22:23,409 to confront tough issues 678 00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:25,428 to think about hard problems... 679 00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:28,971 ...they'll actually surprise you. 680 00:22:28,971 --> 00:22:30,157 Okay. 681 00:22:30,157 --> 00:22:31,232 Here's the problem: 682 00:22:31,232 --> 00:22:32,451 I did ask some Americans. 683 00:22:32,451 --> 00:22:35,221 And, boy did it surprise me. 684 00:22:37,363 --> 00:22:39,869 I have no idea who Edward Snowden is. 685 00:22:39,869 --> 00:22:41,626 You've never heard of Edward Snowden? 686 00:22:41,626 --> 00:22:42,604 No. 687 00:22:42,604 --> 00:22:45,239 I have no idea who Edward Snowden is. 688 00:22:45,239 --> 00:22:46,630 I've heard the name 689 00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:48,541 I just can't picture... think right now 690 00:22:48,541 --> 00:22:49,872 exactly what it is. 691 00:22:49,872 --> 00:22:51,875 Well, he's... uhm... 692 00:22:51,875 --> 00:22:53,725 He sold some information to people. 693 00:22:53,725 --> 00:22:55,624 He revealed some information 694 00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:58,980 that shouldn't have been revealed. 695 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:01,482 Edward Snowden revealed a lot of documents 696 00:23:01,482 --> 00:23:03,551 through Wikileaks. 697 00:23:03,551 --> 00:23:05,063 Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of 698 00:23:05,063 --> 00:23:07,015 secrets, I guess... 699 00:23:07,015 --> 00:23:08,969 or information into Wikileaks. 700 00:23:08,969 --> 00:23:11,286 Edward Snowden leaked... uhm... 701 00:23:11,286 --> 00:23:12,726 he's in charge of Wikileaks. 702 00:23:13,596 --> 00:23:15,768 I'm in charge of Wikileaks. 703 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,582 Not ideal. 704 00:23:17,582 --> 00:23:19,629 I guess, on the plus side: 705 00:23:19,629 --> 00:23:20,849 You might be able to go home. 706 00:23:20,852 --> 00:23:22,241 'Cause it seems like no-one knows 707 00:23:22,241 --> 00:23:23,299 who the f*ck you are. 708 00:23:23,299 --> 00:23:24,491 Or what the f*ck you did. 709 00:23:24,491 --> 00:23:26,695 We can't expect everybody to be uniformly 710 00:23:26,695 --> 00:23:28,847 informed. 711 00:23:28,847 --> 00:23:31,339 So, did you do this to solve a problem? 712 00:23:31,339 --> 00:23:34,599 I did this to give the American people 713 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:36,848 a chance to decide for themselves 714 00:23:36,848 --> 00:23:39,284 the kind of government they want to have. 715 00:23:39,284 --> 00:23:41,625 That is a conversation that I think that 716 00:23:41,625 --> 00:23:44,484 the American people deserve to decide. 717 00:23:44,484 --> 00:23:46,395 There is no doubt that it is 718 00:23:46,395 --> 00:23:47,319 a critical conversation. 719 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:49,677 But is it a conversation that we have 720 00:23:49,677 --> 00:23:52,377 the capacity to have? 721 00:23:52,377 --> 00:23:54,505 Because it's so complicated. 722 00:23:54,505 --> 00:23:57,226 We don't fundamentally understand it. 723 00:23:57,226 --> 00:23:59,239 It is a challenging conversation. 724 00:23:59,239 --> 00:24:00,812 I mean, it's difficult for most people 725 00:24:00,812 --> 00:24:02,893 to even conceptualize. 726 00:24:02,893 --> 00:24:04,126 The problem is 727 00:24:04,126 --> 00:24:05,942 the internet is massively complex 728 00:24:05,942 --> 00:24:08,034 and so much of it is invisible. 729 00:24:08,034 --> 00:24:11,179 Service providers, technicians, engineers, 730 00:24:11,179 --> 00:24:12,423 the phonenumber.... 731 00:24:12,423 --> 00:24:14,144 Let me stop you right there, Edward. 732 00:24:14,144 --> 00:24:15,661 'Cause this is the whole problem. 733 00:24:15,661 --> 00:24:16,547 Right. 734 00:24:16,547 --> 00:24:17,330 This is the whole problem. 735 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:18,567 I just, I glaze over. 736 00:24:18,567 --> 00:24:19,914 'Cause it's like the IT-guy comes into 737 00:24:19,914 --> 00:24:23,251 your office and you go: "Oooh shit". 738 00:24:23,251 --> 00:24:24,705 In fairness... 739 00:24:24,705 --> 00:24:26,923 "Ooh shit, don't teach me anything." 740 00:24:26,923 --> 00:24:28,597 "I don't want to learn." 741 00:24:28,597 --> 00:24:30,369 "You smell like canned soup." 742 00:24:30,369 --> 00:24:32,601 It's a real challenge to figure out 743 00:24:32,601 --> 00:24:35,113 how do we communicate 744 00:24:35,113 --> 00:24:37,917 things that require sort of years and years 745 00:24:37,917 --> 00:24:39,474 of technical understanding. 746 00:24:39,474 --> 00:24:42,677 And compress that into seconds of speech. 747 00:24:42,677 --> 00:24:45,954 So, I'm sympathetic to the problem there. 748 00:24:45,954 --> 00:24:47,327 But the thing is 749 00:24:47,327 --> 00:24:49,463 everything you did only matters 750 00:24:49,463 --> 00:24:52,757 if we have this conversation properly. 751 00:24:52,757 --> 00:24:54,430 So let me help you out there. 752 00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:56,186 You mentioned in an interview 753 00:24:56,186 --> 00:24:57,811 that the NSA was passing around 754 00:24:57,811 --> 00:24:59,267 naked photo's of people. 755 00:24:59,267 --> 00:25:02,277 Yeah. This is something where it's... 756 00:25:02,277 --> 00:25:05,529 it's not actually seen as a big deal. 757 00:25:05,529 --> 00:25:07,378 In the culture of NSA. 758 00:25:07,378 --> 00:25:09,227 Because you see naked pictures 759 00:25:09,227 --> 00:25:10,590 all of the time. 760 00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:11,694 That. 761 00:25:11,694 --> 00:25:13,234 Terrifies people. 762 00:25:13,234 --> 00:25:15,518 'Cause when we asked people about THAT... 763 00:25:15,518 --> 00:25:17,474 ...this is the response you get. 764 00:25:17,474 --> 00:25:18,937 The government should not be able 765 00:25:18,937 --> 00:25:20,081 to look at dick-pictures. 766 00:25:20,081 --> 00:25:21,955 If the government was looking at 767 00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:23,765 a picture of Gordon's penis 768 00:25:23,765 --> 00:25:25,955 I definitely feel it would be an invasion 769 00:25:25,955 --> 00:25:27,497 of my privacy. 770 00:25:27,497 --> 00:25:30,012 Ah, yeah, if the government was looking at 771 00:25:30,012 --> 00:25:31,442 pictures of my penis, that would upset me. 772 00:25:31,442 --> 00:25:32,915 They should never, ever 773 00:25:32,915 --> 00:25:34,258 the US government have a picture 774 00:25:34,258 --> 00:25:35,707 of my dick. 775 00:25:35,707 --> 00:25:37,180 If my husband sent me 776 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:38,474 a picture of his penis 777 00:25:38,474 --> 00:25:40,545 and the government could access it 778 00:25:40,545 --> 00:25:43,821 I would want that program to be shut down. 779 00:25:43,821 --> 00:25:46,754 I would want the Dick-pic Program changed. 780 00:25:46,754 --> 00:25:49,005 I would also want 781 00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:50,626 the Dick-pic Program changed. 782 00:25:50,626 --> 00:25:52,368 I think it would be terrific 783 00:25:52,368 --> 00:25:53,637 if the program could change. 784 00:25:53,637 --> 00:25:54,832 I would want it to be tweeked, 785 00:25:54,832 --> 00:25:56,981 I would want it to have clear and 786 00:25:56,981 --> 00:25:59,375 transparent laws that we knew about. 787 00:25:59,375 --> 00:26:01,390 And that were communicated to us. 788 00:26:01,390 --> 00:26:03,970 To understand what they're being used for. 789 00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:05,364 Or why the were being kept. 790 00:26:05,364 --> 00:26:06,899 Do you think that program exists? 791 00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:07,601 I don't. 792 00:26:07,601 --> 00:26:09,217 I don't think that program exists at all. 793 00:26:09,217 --> 00:26:13,482 No. 794 00:26:13,482 --> 00:26:16,863 If I had knowledge that the US government 795 00:26:16,863 --> 00:26:19,026 had a picture of my dick... 796 00:26:19,026 --> 00:26:21,780 ...I would be very pissed off. 797 00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:26,023 Well... 798 00:26:26,023 --> 00:26:27,825 The good news is that there's no 799 00:26:27,825 --> 00:26:30,655 program named 'the Dick-pic Program'. 800 00:26:30,655 --> 00:26:32,320 The bad news is that they're still 801 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,926 collecting everybody's information. 802 00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:35,596 Including your dick-pics. 803 00:26:35,596 --> 00:26:36,986 What's the over/under on that last guy 804 00:26:36,990 --> 00:26:39,970 having sent a dick-pic recently? 805 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:42,412 You don't need to guess, I'll show you. 806 00:26:42,412 --> 00:26:44,262 I did. 807 00:26:44,262 --> 00:26:47,518 I did take a picture of my... dick. 808 00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:49,698 And I sent it to a girl. Recently. 809 00:26:51,803 --> 00:26:54,372 This is the most visible line in the sand 810 00:26:54,372 --> 00:26:55,212 for people. 811 00:26:55,212 --> 00:26:59,291 "Can they see my dick?" 812 00:26:59,291 --> 00:27:01,989 So, with that in mind... 813 00:27:01,989 --> 00:27:03,889 look inside that folder. 814 00:27:07,285 --> 00:27:08,585 That. 815 00:27:09,572 --> 00:27:11,029 Is a picture of my dick. 816 00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:13,331 So let's go through each NSA program 817 00:27:13,331 --> 00:27:15,179 and explain to me it's capabilities 818 00:27:15,179 --> 00:27:18,212 in regards to that photograph... 819 00:27:18,212 --> 00:27:20,812 ...of my penis. 820 00:27:20,812 --> 00:27:24,240 So. 702 Surveillance: can they see my dick? 821 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,692 Yes. 822 00:27:25,692 --> 00:27:28,306 The FISA-amendment act of 2008 823 00:27:28,306 --> 00:27:30,181 which Section 702 falls under 824 00:27:30,181 --> 00:27:33,588 allows the bulk-collection 825 00:27:33,588 --> 00:27:35,199 of internet communications that are 826 00:27:35,199 --> 00:27:36,116 one-end foreign. 827 00:27:36,116 --> 00:27:36,926 Bulk-collection: 828 00:27:36,926 --> 00:27:38,382 now we're talking about my dick. 829 00:27:38,382 --> 00:27:40,484 You get it. You get it though. 830 00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:42,047 I do. 831 00:27:42,047 --> 00:27:44,086 Because it's... it's... yeah, anyway. 832 00:27:44,086 --> 00:27:46,467 So, if you have you're email somewhere 833 00:27:46,467 --> 00:27:48,885 like G-mail, hosted on a server overseas 834 00:27:48,885 --> 00:27:50,580 or transferred over seas 835 00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:53,158 or any time crosses outside the borders 836 00:27:53,158 --> 00:27:54,949 of the United States... 837 00:27:54,949 --> 00:27:57,509 ...you're junk ends up in the database. 838 00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:59,061 So it doesn't have to be 839 00:27:59,061 --> 00:28:00,548 sending your dick to a German? 840 00:28:00,548 --> 00:28:01,666 No. 841 00:28:01,666 --> 00:28:02,680 Even if you sent it to somebody 842 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,382 within the United States 843 00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:07,722 your wholly domestic communication 844 00:28:07,722 --> 00:28:09,578 between you and your wife 845 00:28:09,578 --> 00:28:11,090 can go from New York... 846 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:12,562 to London and back. 847 00:28:12,562 --> 00:28:13,774 And get caught up in the database. 848 00:28:13,774 --> 00:28:16,637 Executive Order 12-333: Dick or no dick? 849 00:28:16,637 --> 00:28:17,927 Yes. 850 00:28:17,927 --> 00:28:21,082 EO 12-333 is what the NSA uses 851 00:28:21,082 --> 00:28:22,920 when the other authorities aren't 852 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,903 aggressive enough 853 00:28:23,903 --> 00:28:25,376 or they're not catching as much 854 00:28:25,376 --> 00:28:26,467 as they'd like. 855 00:28:26,467 --> 00:28:27,481 For example: 856 00:28:27,481 --> 00:28:29,225 How are they gonna see my dick? 857 00:28:29,225 --> 00:28:32,019 I'm only concerned about my penis. 858 00:28:32,019 --> 00:28:35,885 When you send your junk 859 00:28:35,885 --> 00:28:37,764 through G-mail, for example. 860 00:28:37,764 --> 00:28:40,609 That's stored on Google-servers. 861 00:28:40,609 --> 00:28:43,689 Google moves data. 862 00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:45,383 From datacenter to datacenter. 863 00:28:45,383 --> 00:28:47,987 Invisibly to you, without your knowledge. 864 00:28:47,987 --> 00:28:49,601 Your data could be moved outside 865 00:28:49,601 --> 00:28:51,300 the borders of the United States. 866 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:52,091 Oh no. 867 00:28:52,091 --> 00:28:53,094 Temporarily. 868 00:28:53,094 --> 00:28:56,799 When your junk was passed by G-mail 869 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,820 the NSA caught a copy of that. 870 00:28:58,820 --> 00:28:59,918 Prism. 871 00:28:59,918 --> 00:29:02,602 Prism is how they pull your junk 872 00:29:02,602 --> 00:29:05,372 out of Google, with Google's involvement. 873 00:29:05,372 --> 00:29:07,568 All of the different Prism partners 874 00:29:07,568 --> 00:29:11,025 people like Yahoo, Facebook, Google. 875 00:29:11,025 --> 00:29:13,658 The Government deputizes them, to be... 876 00:29:13,658 --> 00:29:16,895 sort of their little surveillance sheriff. 877 00:29:16,895 --> 00:29:18,297 They're a dick-sheriff. 878 00:29:18,297 --> 00:29:19,061 Correct. 879 00:29:19,061 --> 00:29:20,630 Uhm, Upstream? 880 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:23,329 Upstream is how they snatch your junk 881 00:29:23,329 --> 00:29:25,451 as it transits the internet. 882 00:29:25,451 --> 00:29:26,899 Okay. Mystic. 883 00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:28,362 If you're describing your junk 884 00:29:28,362 --> 00:29:29,477 on the phone? 885 00:29:29,477 --> 00:29:30,225 Yes. 886 00:29:30,225 --> 00:29:31,679 But do they have the content 887 00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:32,431 of that junk-call 888 00:29:32,431 --> 00:29:33,740 or just the duration of it? 889 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:35,551 They have the content as well 890 00:29:35,551 --> 00:29:37,136 but only for a few countries. 891 00:29:37,136 --> 00:29:38,852 If you are on vacation in the Bahamas? 892 00:29:38,852 --> 00:29:39,967 Yes. 893 00:29:39,967 --> 00:29:42,519 Finally. And you need to remind yourself... 894 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,634 No, I'm just not sure... 895 00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:46,358 what to do with this. 896 00:29:46,358 --> 00:29:48,369 Just hold on to it. 897 00:29:48,369 --> 00:29:49,714 It's a lot of responsibility. 898 00:29:49,714 --> 00:29:51,281 Yeah. It is a lot of responsibility. 899 00:29:51,281 --> 00:29:52,574 That's the whole point. 900 00:29:52,574 --> 00:29:53,427 Should I...? 901 00:29:53,427 --> 00:29:54,800 No, you should absolutely not. 902 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,954 And it's unbelievable 903 00:29:55,954 --> 00:29:57,774 that you would do that. 904 00:29:57,774 --> 00:29:59,225 Actually, it's entirely believable. 905 00:29:59,225 --> 00:30:01,197 215 Meta-data? 906 00:30:01,197 --> 00:30:02,266 No. 907 00:30:02,266 --> 00:30:03,038 Good. 908 00:30:03,038 --> 00:30:04,126 But... 909 00:30:04,126 --> 00:30:05,623 Come on, Ed. 910 00:30:05,623 --> 00:30:07,110 They can probably tell who you're sharing 911 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:08,820 your junk pictures with. 912 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:09,763 Because they're seeing 913 00:30:09,763 --> 00:30:11,271 who you're texting with 914 00:30:11,271 --> 00:30:12,308 who you're calling. 915 00:30:12,308 --> 00:30:13,300 If you call 916 00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,246 the penis enlargement centre at 3 AM 917 00:30:15,246 --> 00:30:16,302 and that call lasted 90 minutes? 918 00:30:16,302 --> 00:30:17,336 They would have a record 919 00:30:17,336 --> 00:30:18,857 of YOUR phone-number 920 00:30:18,857 --> 00:30:21,176 calling THAT phone-number. 921 00:30:21,176 --> 00:30:23,601 (Which is a penis enlargement center). 922 00:30:23,601 --> 00:30:25,391 They would say they don't know 923 00:30:25,391 --> 00:30:26,307 it's penis enlargement center 924 00:30:26,307 --> 00:30:27,232 but of course they can look it up. 925 00:30:27,232 --> 00:30:29,498 Edward, if the American people 926 00:30:29,498 --> 00:30:32,506 understood this... 927 00:30:32,506 --> 00:30:34,541 ...they would be absolutely horrified. 928 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:36,474 I guess I never thought about putting it 929 00:30:36,474 --> 00:30:38,674 in the... 930 00:30:38,674 --> 00:30:40,611 ...in the context of your junk. 931 00:30:40,611 --> 00:30:43,695 Would a good take-away from this be: 932 00:30:43,695 --> 00:30:45,717 'Until such time as we've sorted 933 00:30:45,717 --> 00:30:47,116 all of this out... 934 00:30:47,116 --> 00:30:50,025 ...don't take pictures of your dick'. 935 00:30:50,025 --> 00:30:51,876 Just don't do it anymore. 936 00:30:51,876 --> 00:30:54,159 No. If we do that. 937 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,714 Wait, hold on, you're saying 'no'? 938 00:30:56,714 --> 00:30:57,104 Yeah. 939 00:30:57,104 --> 00:30:58,096 You should keep 940 00:30:58,096 --> 00:30:59,093 taking pictures of your dick? 941 00:30:59,093 --> 00:31:01,213 Yes. You shouldn't change your behavior 942 00:31:01,213 --> 00:31:02,581 because of a government agency somehwere 943 00:31:02,581 --> 00:31:04,128 is doing the wrong thing. 944 00:31:04,128 --> 00:31:06,513 If we sacrifice our values 945 00:31:06,513 --> 00:31:08,393 because we're afraid, we don't care 946 00:31:08,393 --> 00:31:09,803 about those values very much. 947 00:31:09,803 --> 00:31:12,070 That is a pretty inspiring answer 948 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:13,819 to the question: 949 00:31:13,819 --> 00:31:16,063 "Hey, why did you just send me a picutre 950 00:31:16,063 --> 00:31:17,830 of your dick?" 951 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:20,020 "Because I love America, that's why." 952 00:31:21,550 --> 00:31:23,290 So there you have it, America. 953 00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:24,910 All of us should now be equipped 954 00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:27,007 to have this vital debate. 955 00:31:27,007 --> 00:31:28,151 Because by June 1 956 00:31:28,151 --> 00:31:30,192 it is imperative we have a rational 957 00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:31,524 adult conversation 958 00:31:31,524 --> 00:31:33,391 about whether our safety is worth 959 00:31:33,391 --> 00:31:35,874 living in a country of barely regulated 960 00:31:35,874 --> 00:31:38,954 government-sanctioned dick-sherifs. 961 00:31:40,985 --> 00:31:42,666 And with my work here done 962 00:31:42,666 --> 00:31:44,464 there was just time to take care of 963 00:31:44,464 --> 00:31:45,576 one more thing. 964 00:31:45,576 --> 00:31:47,879 Finally, congratulations 965 00:31:47,879 --> 00:31:49,307 on winning the Oscar. 966 00:31:49,307 --> 00:31:50,803 I know you couldn't be at the ceremony 967 00:31:50,803 --> 00:31:53,203 for obvious reasons, so... hah? 968 99:59:59,999 --> 00:31:54,214 Wow. 969 00:31:54,214 --> 00:31:56,424 I thought we'd celebrate ourselves. 970 00:31:56,424 --> 00:31:58,354 Cheers. 971 00:31:58,354 --> 00:32:00,065 Wow, that's... 972 00:32:00,018 --> 00:32:01,304 that's really something. 973 00:32:01,304 --> 00:32:01,931 Thank you. 974 00:32:01,931 --> 00:32:03,016 You're welcome. 975 00:32:03,016 --> 00:32:04,049 What's the over/under on me 976 00:32:04,049 --> 00:32:05,450 getting home safely? 977 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:07,713 Well, if you weren't on the list before, 978 00:32:07,713 --> 00:32:09,203 you are now. 979 00:32:11,501 --> 00:32:14,208 Is that like, uhm... 980 00:32:14,208 --> 00:32:16,986 Is that like a figu... is that like a joke 981 00:32:16,986 --> 00:32:18,350 or is that actually possible? 982 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:19,778 No, it's... it's a real thing. 983 00:32:19,778 --> 00:32:21,370 You're associated now. 984 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:23,870 Okay. 985 00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:24,916 Just to be clear NSA: 986 00:32:24,916 --> 00:32:26,607 I never met this guy 987 00:32:26,607 --> 00:32:27,902 so take me off you're f*cking list. 988 00:32:29,199 --> 00:32:31,334 I do not want to get stuck in Russia. 989 00:32:31,334 --> 00:32:34,425 I want to go home I want to go home 990 00:32:34,425 --> 00:32:34,424 Now, just for the record. 991 00:32:40,105 --> 00:32:41,995 Just so you know. 992 00:32:41,995 --> 00:32:44,582 We got in touch with the NSA, 993 00:32:44,582 --> 00:32:46,093 the National Security Council, 994 00:32:46,093 --> 00:32:47,255 and the White House. 995 00:32:47,255 --> 00:32:48,424 And we asked them to comment 996 00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,540 on the dick-pick capabilities 997 00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:52,624 of each of the programs Edward Snowden 998 00:32:52,624 --> 00:32:54,585 just discussed. 999 00:32:54,585 --> 00:32:55,593 Which -incidentally- were some very fun 1000 00:32:55,593 --> 00:32:57,004 emails to write to government agencies. 1001 00:32:57,004 --> 00:32:59,710 They did not wish to comment on the record. 1002 00:32:59,710 --> 00:33:00,986 And I can see why 1003 00:33:00,986 --> 00:33:03,006 for every possible reason.