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Our main story tonight

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is government surveillance.

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And I realize most people

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would rather have a conversation

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about literally any other topic.

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Including: 'Is my smartphone

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giving me cancer?'

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To which the answer is: Probably.

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Or: 'Do goldfish suffer from depression?'

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To which the answer is:

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Yes, but very briefly.

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But the fact is:

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It is vital

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that we have a discussion about this now.

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Because an important date

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is just around the corner.

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One big day to circle on the calendar

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when it comes to

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a very controversial subject.

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The re-authorization of the Patriot Act

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and all of the

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controversial provisions therein.

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June 1 they've got to come to an agreement

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to re-authorize

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or curtail those programs.

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Yes. Some controversial provisions

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within the Patriot Act

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are set to expire on June 1.

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So circle that date

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on your calendars, everyone.

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And while you're at it:

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Circle June 2 as well.

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Because that's Justin Long's birthday.

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You all forgot last year...

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and he f*cking noticed.

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Now, over the last couple of years,

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you've probably heard a lot about

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strange-sounding programs. Such as:

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X-Keyscore, Muscular, Prism, and Mystic.

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Which are, coincidentally, also the names

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of some of Florida's

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least popular stripclubs.

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"Welcome to X-Keyscore!

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Our dancers are fully un-redacted

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and Tuesday is wing-night!"

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But if you don't mind, I would like

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to refresh your memory over some of this.

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And let's start our focussing on the most

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controversial portion of the Patriot Act

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that is up for renewal:

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Section 215.

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Which, I'm aware, sounds like the name

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of an Eastern European boy-band.

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"We are Section 215."

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"Prepare to have your hearts...

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throbbed."

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There's the cute one, the bad-boy,

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the one who strangled a potato-farmer,

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and the one without an iron-deficiency.

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They're incredible.

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But the content of the real Section 215

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is actually even more sinister.

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It's called Section 215.

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Nicknamed: the library records provision.

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Which allows the government to require

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businesses to hand over records of any

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"any tangible things"

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including: books, records, papers,

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documents, and other items.

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If that sounds broad, it's because

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it was very much written that way.

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Section 215 says the government can ask

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for "any tangible things" so long as it's

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"for an investigation to protect

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against international terrorism".

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Which is basically a blank cheque.

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It's letting a teenager borrow the car,

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under the strict condition that they

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only use it for 'car-related activities'.

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"Okay, mom and dad, I'm gonna use this

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for a hand-job in a Wendy's parking lot,

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but that is car-related,

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so I think I'm covered."

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Section 215 is overseen

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by a secret intelligence-court,

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known as the FISA-court.

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And they've interpreted it to mean

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the government could basically

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collect and store phone-records for

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every American.

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The vast majority of whom, of course,

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have no connection to terrorism.

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Unless, Aunt Cheryl has been gravely

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mis-characterizing the activities

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of her needle-point club.

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"It's a sleeper-cell,

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isn't is, Aunt Cheryl?"

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"You will hang for this, Aunt Cheryl.

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You're a traiter and a terrible aunt.

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Not in that order."

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Now, the government will point out

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that under 215, they hold phone-records,

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and not the calls themselves.

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What the intelligence-community is doing,

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is looking at phone-numbers,

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and durations of calls,

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they are not looking at peoples names,

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and they are not looking at content.

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Yes, but that's not entirely reassuring.

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Because you can extrapolate a lot

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from that information.

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If they knew that you'd called your ex

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12 times last night, between 1 and 4 AM,

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for a duration of 15 minutes each time,

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they can be fairly sure that you left

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some pretty pathetic voice-mails.

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"I don't care

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whose monitoring this call, Vicky."

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"We should be together!"

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Pick up the phone, dammit!

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I'm a human being, not an animal!"

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Now, the Patriot-act was written

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just after 9-11.

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And for years it was extended

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and re-authorized

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with barely a passing thought.

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In fact, it became so routine,

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that when it was extended in 2011,

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one newscast just tacked it

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onto the end of a report

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about a Presidential trip abroad.

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Chip Reid. CBS-news.

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Travelling with the President

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in Deauville, France.

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Also in France, by the way,

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President Obama signed in a law,

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4-year extension

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of the terrorism fighting Patriot-Act.

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Also in France, by the way?

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By the way?

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He threw that in,

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like a mother telling her grown daughter

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that her childhood pet just died.

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"Oh, nice talking to you, sweety.

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Also, by the way, Mr. Peppers is dead.

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See you at Christmas." BANG

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But all of that,

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was before the public was made aware

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of what the government's capabilities

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actually were.

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'Cause that all ended in June of 2013.

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Edward Snowden has just

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taken responsibility for one of the

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biggest government leaks in US history.

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We learned that the government has

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the capacity to track

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virtually every American phone-call

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and to scoop up impossibly vast

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quantities of data across the internet.

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Revelations that the NSA eavesdropped

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on world leaders.

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If you've ever been to the Bahamas,

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the NSA could've recorded your phone-calls

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and stored them for up to a month.

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All that information was exposed

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by Edward Snowden.

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And it is still kind of incredible,

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that a 29-year-old contractor

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was able to steal top-secret documents

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from an organization

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that LITERALLY has the word 'security'

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in it's name.

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Clearly, that was not great for them.

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The only place where it should be THAT

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easy for employees in their 20ies to steal

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is a Lid store.

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"Dude, you sure I should take this?"

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"Relax, dude, it's a Miami Marlins-cap,

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we're not exactly selling

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Fabergé eggs here."

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It is still unclear,

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exactly how many documents

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Edward Snowden stole.

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Although he is consistently trying

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to re-assure people that he put them

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in good hands.

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Honestly, I don't want to be the person

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making the decisions on what should

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be public and what shouldn't.

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Which is why

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rather than publishing these on my own

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or putting them out openly,

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I'm running them through journalists.

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Well, that sounds great.

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But of course it's not a fail-safe plan.

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As was proven when the New York Times

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published this slide,

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but did such a sloppy job

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of blocking out redacted information,

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that some people were able to read

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the information behind that black bar,

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which concerned how the US was monitoring

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Al Qaida in Mosul.

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A group now known as ISIS.

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So essentially,

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a national security secret was leaked,

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because no-one at the Times

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knows how to use Microsoft Paint.

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And look, you can think

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that Snowden did the wrong thing, or

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did it in the wrong way.

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But the fact is:

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we have this information now,

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and we no longer get the luxury

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of pleading ignorance.

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It's like you can't go to Sea World

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and pretend that Shamu's happy anymore.

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When we now know

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at least half the water in her tank

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is whale-tears.

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We know that now.

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You can't un-know that information.

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So you have to bear that in mind.

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But here's the thing:

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It's now 2 years later,

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and it seems like we've kind of

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forgotten to have a debate

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over the content of what Snowden leaked.

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A recent Pew-report found that nearly

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half of Americans say that they're

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'not very concerned'

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or 'not at all concerned'

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about government surveillance.

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Which is fine.

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If that's an informed opinion.

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But I'm not sure that it is.

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Because we actually sent a camera-crew

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to Times Square to ask

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some random passers by

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who Edward Snowden was

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and what he did.

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And there are the responses that we got.

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I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

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Have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

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I've heard the name, I just can't picture,

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think right now exactly what it is.

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Edward Snowden...

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No. I do not.

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Just for the record,

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that wasn't cherry picking.

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That was entirely reflective

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of everyone we spoke to.

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Although, to be fair:

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some people did remember his name,

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they just couldn't remember why.

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He sold some information to people.

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He revealed some information

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that shouldn't have been revealed.

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I think from what I remember is

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the information that he shared

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was detrimental to our military secrets?

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And keeping our soldiers and our country

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safe?

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He leaked documents what the US Army's

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operations in Iraq.

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Edward Snowden revealed a bunch of

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of secrets, I guess, or information

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into Wiki, Wikileaks?

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Edward Snowden leaked...

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Ah, he's in charge of Wikileaks?

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Edward Snowden revealed a lot of

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documents through Wikileaks...?

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Okay, so here's the thing:

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Edward Snowden is NOT the Wikileaks guy.

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The Wikileaks guy is Julian Assange.

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And you do not want

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to be confused with him.

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Partly because he was far less careful

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than Snowden in what he released,

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and how.

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And partly because he resembles

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a sandwich-bag full of biscuit-dough

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wearing a Stevie Nicks-wig.

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And that is, that is ciritical.

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Julian Assange is not a like-able man.

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Even Benedict Cumberbatch could not

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make him like-able.

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He's un-Cumberbatch-able.

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That was supposed to be

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physically impossible.

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But I don't blame people

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for being confused.

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We've been looking at this story

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for the last 2 weeks,

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and it is hard to get your head around.

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Not just because there are so many

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complicated programs to keep track of,

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but also because

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there are no easy answers here.

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We all naturally want perfect privacy,

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and perfect safety.

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But those 2 things cannot coexist.

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It's like how you can't have

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a badass pet falcon...

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and an adorable pet vole named Herbert.

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Either you have to lose one of them,

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which obviously you don't want to do.

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Or you have to accept some reasonable

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restrictions on both of them.

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Now to be fair, the NSA will argue

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that just because they CAN do something

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doesn't mean they DO do it.

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And, that there are restrictions

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on their operations,

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such as the FISA-court,

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which must approve requests for

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foreign surveillance.

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But.

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In 34 years, that court has approved

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over 35000 applications,

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and only rejected 12.

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Yes. Much like Robert Durst's second wife.

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The FISA-court is alarmingly accepting.

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"Listen, Robert"

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"I'm not gonna ask you too many questions.

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I'm just gonna give you the benefit of a

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doubt that you clearly don't deserve."

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At least tell him to blink and burp less.

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The burping might be the most troubling

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thing about that show.

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So, so maybe it's time for us to talk.

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About where the limits should be.

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And the best place to start would be

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Section 215.

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Not just because it's the easiest one

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to understand,

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but there is wide-spread agreement

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it needs to be reformed.

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From the President, to Ted Cruz,

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to both the ACLU and the NRA,

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to even the guy

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who wrote the thing in the first place.

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I was the principal author

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of the Patriot Act.

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I can say, that without qualification

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Congress never did intend to allow

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bulk-collections

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when it passed Section 215.

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And no fair reading of the text

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would allow for this program.

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Think about that.

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He was the author.

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That's the legislative equivalent

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of Lewis Carroll

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seeing the tea-cups ride at Disney Land

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and saying:

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"This has got to be reined in.

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No fair reading of my text

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would allow for this ride."

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"You've turned my perfectly nice tale

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of psychedelic paedofilia

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into a garish vomitorium."

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"This is not what I wanted!"

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And even the NSA has said

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that the number of terror-plots in the US

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that the Section 215

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telephone-records program has disrupted...

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...is 1.

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And it's worth noting:

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that one particular plot

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involved a cabdriver in San Diego

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who gave $8500 to a terror-group.

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And that is the shittiest terrorist-plot

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I've ever seen.

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Other than the plot of

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A Good Day To Die Hard.

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But here's the big problem here:

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If we let Section 215 get renewed

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in it's current form

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without serious public debate

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we're in trouble.

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Because Section 215

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is the canary in the coal-mine.

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If we cannot fix that

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we're not gonna fix any of them.

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And the public debate so far

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has been absolutely pathetic.

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A year ago

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a former congresswoman was

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discussing the 215 program on the news.

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Watch wat happened.

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This vast collection of data

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is not that useful

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and infringes substantially

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on personal privacy.

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I think at this point we should

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seriously consider not continuing...

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Congress woman Harmen, let me interru..

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Let me interrupt you just for one moment.

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We've got some breaking news out of Miami.

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Stand by if you will.

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Right now in Miami

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Justin Bieber

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has been arrested on a number of charges.

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The judge is reading the charges

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including resisting arrest

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and driving under the influence.

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He's appearing now before the judge

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for his bond-hearing.

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Let's watch.

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Actually, you know what?

412
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Bad news, we're gonna have to interrupt

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your interruption of the Bieber news

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for a new interruption.

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This time featuring a YouTube video of a

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tortoise having sex with a plastic clog.

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Let's watch.

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That. Is essentially the current tone

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of this vitally important debate.

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And again:

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I'm not saying

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this is an easy conversation.

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But we have to have it.

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I know this is confusing.

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And unfortunately the most

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obvious person to talk to

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about this is Edward Snowden.

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But he currently lives in Russia.

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Meaning: if you wanted to ask him

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about any of these issues

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you'd have to fly

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all the way there to do it.

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And it is not a pleasant flight.

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And the reason I know that...

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is that last week, I went to Russia

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to speak to Edward Snowden.

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And this is what happened.

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Yes, last week I spent 48 paranoid hours

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in Moscow.

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Arguably the last place on earth

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where you can find

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an overweight Josef Stalin impersonator

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arguing with an unconvincing fake Lenin.

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And after experiencing

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Russia's famously warm hospitality

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I went to meet Edward Snowden.

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Who is supposed to show up in this room

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at noon.

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However, after 5 minutes after

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the interview was scheduled to begin

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I had a troubling thought.

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I don't know.

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Do you think he's coming?

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'Cause my argument is:

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Yeah, he's coming.

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Why would he?

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When you think about it.

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I got 2000 roebels

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that says he doesn't make it.

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Without understanding how much that is.

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All I'm saying is...

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...a 10-hour flight for an empty chair?

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I'm gonna lose my shit.

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It turns out it may be a bit of a problem

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because our Russian producer

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booked us in a room directly overlooking

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the old KGB-building.

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And the home

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of the current Federal Security Bureau.

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And we've just been told...

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...they know we're here.

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So uhm...

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So that happened.

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Uhm, just if the Russian...

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...Russian KGB is listening:

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We'll ring the fire-alarm

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if he's not coming.

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Oh shit.

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Oh God.

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So sorry for the delay.

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It's fine, don't worry about it.

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HOLY SHIT.

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He actually came.

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Edward f*cking Snowden.

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The most famous hero and/or traitor

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in recent American history!

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And I've started with a question

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designed to test his loyalties.

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How much do you miss America?

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You know, my country is something

491
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that travels with me, you know.

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It's not just a geogra...

493
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That's a way too complicated answer.

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The answer is: I miss it a lot.

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it's the greatest country in the world.

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I do miss my country.

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I do miss my home.

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I do miss my family.

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Do you miss hot pockets?

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Yes.

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I miss hot pockets. Very much.

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Okay. The entire state of Florida?

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Let's just let that silence

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hang in the air.

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Truck Nuts?

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Do you miss Truck Nuts?

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I don't know what they are.

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Lucky for you, Edward...

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Not just truck nuts.

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Stars and stripes Truck Nuts.

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That is 2 balls of liberty

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in a freedom sack.

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You really thought ahead.

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Well, at least one of us did.

515
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You know, 'cause of the... uhm...

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the quandary... the...

517
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Kafka-esque nightmare that you're in.

518
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Okay. Let's dive in.

519
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Why did you do this?

520
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The NSA has

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the greatest surveillance capabilities

522
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that we've ever seen in history.

523
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Now, what they will argue

524
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is that they don't use this

525
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for nefarious purposes

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against American citizens.

527
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In some ways that's true.

528
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But the real problem is that

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they're using these capabilities

530
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to make us vulnerable to them

531
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and then saying:

532
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"While I have a gun pointed at your head

533
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I'm not going to pull the trigger."

534
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"Trust me."

535
00:18:01,522 --> 00:18:04,467
So, what does the NSA you want look like?

536
00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:08,054
Because you applied for a job at the NSA.

537
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So you clearly see an inherent value

538
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in that shadowy organization.

539
00:18:11,972 --> 00:18:15,000
I worked with mass-surveillance systems

540
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,754
against Chinese hackers.

541
00:18:17,754 --> 00:18:19,045
I saw that, you know

542
00:18:19,045 --> 00:18:20,338
these things do have some purpose.

543
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And you want your spies

544
00:18:21,502 --> 00:18:22,984
to be good at spying.

545
00:18:22,984 --> 00:18:23,806
To be fair.

546
00:18:23,806 --> 00:18:24,529
Right.

547
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What you don't want is

548
00:18:26,173 --> 00:18:28,086
you don't want them spying inside

549
00:18:28,086 --> 00:18:29,253
their own country.

550
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Spies are great when they're on our side.

551
00:18:32,684 --> 00:18:33,794
But we can never forget

552
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that they're incredibly powerful

553
00:18:35,342 --> 00:18:36,567
and incredibly dangerous.

554
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And if they're off the leash...

555
00:18:38,043 --> 00:18:39,738
...they can end up coming after us.

556
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But just to be clear:

557
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we're talking about 2 different things.

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Domestic surveillance

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and foreign surveillance.

560
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'Cause domestic surveillance

561
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Americans give some of a shit about.

562
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Foreign surveillance...

563
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...they don't give any remote shit about.

564
00:18:52,678 --> 00:18:53,938
Well the second question is:

565
00:18:53,942 --> 00:18:56,080
When we talk about foreign surveillance

566
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,279
are we applying it in ways that are

567
00:18:58,279 --> 00:18:59,134
beneficial...

568
00:18:59,134 --> 00:19:00,184
No-one cares.

569
00:19:00,184 --> 00:19:00,922
In terms...

570
00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:02,223
They don't give a shit.

571
00:19:02,223 --> 00:19:04,805
We spied on UNICEF, the children's fund.

572
00:19:04,805 --> 00:19:06,094
Sure.

573
00:19:06,094 --> 00:19:09,564
We spied on lawyers negotiating...

574
00:19:09,569 --> 00:19:13,338
What was UNICEF doing?

575
00:19:13,338 --> 00:19:14,918
I mean, that's the question there.

576
00:19:14,918 --> 00:19:16,843
Isn't it?

577
00:19:16,843 --> 00:19:22,943
The question is:

578
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Are these projects valuable?

579
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Are we going to be safer when we're spying

580
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
on UNICEF and lawyers who are talking about

581
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the price of shrimp and clove cigarettes.

582
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I don't think people say that's good.

583
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think they'll say:

584
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I definitely don't care.

585
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Americans do not give a shit.

586
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think you're right.

587
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
About foreign surveillance.

588
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
What some people do care about

589
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
is whether Snowden considered

590
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the adverse consequences of leaking

591
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
so much information at once.

592
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
How many of those documents

593
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
have you actually read.

594
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I've evaluated all the documents

595
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that are in the archive.

596
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You've read every single one?

597
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I do understand what I've turned over.

598
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But there's a difference between

599
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
understanding what's in the documents

600
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and reading what's in the documents.

601
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I recognized the concern.

602
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
'Cause when you're handing over

603
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
thousands of NSA documents,

604
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the last thing you want to do

605
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
is read them.

606
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think it's fair to be concerned about,

607
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
'did this person do enough?

608
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
were they careful enough?'

609
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Especially when you're handling material

610
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
like we know you are handling.

611
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Well, in my defense:

612
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'm not handling anything anymore.

613
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's been passed to the journalists,

614
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and they're using extraordinary

615
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
security measures that this is reported

616
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in the most responsible way.

617
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But, those are journalists

618
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
with a lower technical skill-set than you.

619
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's true,

620
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but then they do understand

621
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
just like you and I do.

622
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Just how important it

623
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to get this right.

624
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So the New York Times took a slide,

625
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
didn't redact it properly...

626
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and...

627
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in the end it was possible

628
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
for people to see that something

629
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
was being used in Mosul.

630
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
On Al'Qaida.

631
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That is a problem.

632
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Well, that's a f*ck-up.

633
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It is a f*ck-up.

634
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And these things do happen in reporting.

635
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
In journalism we have to accept

636
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that some mistakes will be made.

637
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
This is a fundamental concept of liberty.

638
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Right.

639
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But you have to own that then.

640
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You're giving documents with imformation

641
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
you know could be harmful...

642
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
which could get out there.

643
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes.

644
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If people act in bad faith.

645
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You're not even talking about bad faith.

646
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You're talking about incompetents.

647
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We are.

648
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But you will never be

649
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
completely free from risk,

650
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
if you're free.

651
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The only time you can be free from risk

652
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
is when you're in prison.

653
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
While the risks were significant,

654
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Snowden himself has made it clear.

655
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
He feels the rewards have been worth it.

656
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You've said in you letters to Brasil:

657
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"I was motivated by a believe that

658
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the citizens of the world deserve to

659
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
understand the system in which they live.

660
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
My greatest fear was that no-one

661
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
would listen to my warning.

662
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Never have I been so glad

663
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to have been so wrong."

664
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
How did that feel?

665
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I was initially terrified that this

666
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
was going to be a 3 day story,

667
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
everybody was going to forget about it.

668
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But when I saw that...

669
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
everybody around the world said:

670
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"Wow, this is a problem.

671
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We have to do something about this",

672
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
it felt like vindication.

673
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Even in America?

674
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Even in America.

675
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And I think we're seeing

676
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
something amazing.

677
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Which is if you ask... the American people

678
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to make tough decisions,

679
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to confront tough issues,

680
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to think about hard problems...

681
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
they'll actually surprise you.

682
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Okay.

683
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Here's the problem:

684
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I did ask some Americans.

685
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And, boy did it surprise me.

686
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

687
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You've never heard of Edward Snowden?

688
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

689
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I have no idea who Edward Snowden is.

690
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I've heard the name...

691
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I just can't picture and think right now

692
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
exactly who it is.

693
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Well, he's... uhm...

694
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
He sold some information to people.

695
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
He revealed some information

696
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that shouldn't have been revealed.

697
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Edward Snowden revealed a lot of documents

698
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
through Wikileaks.

699
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Edward Snowden revealed a bunch

700
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of secrets, I guess...

701
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or information into Wikileaks.

702
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Edward Snowden leaked... uhm...

703
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
he's in charge of Wikileaks.

704
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'm in charge of Wikileaks.

705
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Not ideal.

706
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I guess, on the plus side...

707
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
you might be able to go home.

708
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
'Cause it seems like no-one knows

709
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
who the f*ck you are.

710
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Or what the f*ck you did.

711
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We can't except everybody to be uniformly

712
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
informed.

713
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So, did you do this to solve a problem?

714
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I did this to give the American people

715
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
a chance to decide for themselves

716
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the kind of government they want to have.

717
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That is a conversation that I think that

718
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the American people deserve to decide.

719
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
There is no doubt that it is

720
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
a critical conversation.

721
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But is it a conversation that we have

722
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the capacity to have?

723
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Because it's so complicated.

724
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We don't fundamentally understand it.

725
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It is a challenging conversation.

726
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I mean, it's difficult for most people

727
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to even conceptualize.

728
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The problem is,

729
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the internet is massively complex,

730
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and so much of it is invisible.

731
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Service providers, technicians, engineers,

732
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the phonenumbers....

733
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Let me stop you right there, Edward.

734
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
'Cause this is the whole problem.

735
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Right.

736
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
This is the whole problem.

737
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I just, I glaze over.

738
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
'Cause it's like the IT-guy

739
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
comes into your office,

740
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and you go: "Ooh shit."

741
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
In fairness...

742
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"Ooh shit, don't teach me anything."

743
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"I don't want to learn."

744
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"You smell like canned soup."

745
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It's a real challenge to figure out

746
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
how do we communicate

747
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
things that require sort of years and years

748
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of technical understanding.

749
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And compress that into seconds of speech.

750
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So, I'm sympathetic to the problem there.

751
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But the thing is,

752
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
everything you did only matters

753
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
if we have this conversation properly.

754
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So let me help you out there.

755
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You mentioned in an interview

756
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that the NSA was passing around

757
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
naked photo's of people.

758
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yeah. This is something where it's...

759
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
it's not actually seen as a big deal.

760
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
In the culture of NSA.

761
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Because you see naked pictures

762
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
all of the time.

763
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That.

764
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Terrifies people.

765
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
'Cause when we asked people about THAT...

766
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
this is the response you get.

767
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The Government should not be able

768
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to look at dick-pictures.

769
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If the Government was looking at

770
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
a picture of Gordon's penis,

771
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I definitely feel it would be an invasion

772
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of my privacy.

773
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Ah, yeah, if the Government was looking at

774
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
pictures of my penis, that would upset me.

775
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
They should never, ever,

776
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the US Government have a picture,

777
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of my dick.

778
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If my husband sent me

779
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
a picture of his penis,

780
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and the Government could access it,

781
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I would want that program to be shut down.

782
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I would want the Dick-pic Program changed.

783
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I would also want

784
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the Dick-pic Program changed.

785
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I think it would be terrific,

786
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
if the program could change.

787
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I would want it to be tweeked,

788
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I would want it to have

789
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
clear and transparent laws

790
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that we knew about.

791
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And that were communicated to us.

792
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
To understand what they

793
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
were being used for.

794
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Or why the were being kept.

795
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Do you think that program exists?

796
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I don't.

797
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I don't think that program exists at all.

798
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

799
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

800
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

801
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

802
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If I had knowledge that the US Government

803
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
had a picture of my dick...

804
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I would be very pissed off.

805
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Well...

806
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The good news is that there's no

807
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
program named 'the Dick-pic Program'.

808
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The bad news is that they're still

809
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
collecting everybody's information.

810
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Including your dick-pics.

811
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
What's the over/under of that last guy

812
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
sent a dick-pic recently?

813
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You don't need to guess.

814
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'll show you.

815
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I did.

816
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I did take a picture of my... dick.

817
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And I sent it to a girl. Recently.

818
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
This is the most visible line in the sand

819
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
for people.

820
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"Can they see my dick?"

821
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So, with that in mind...

822
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
look inside that folder.

823
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That.

824
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Is a picture of my dick.

825
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So let's go through each NSA program,

826
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and explain to me it's capabilities

827
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in regards to that photograph...

828
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of my penis.

829
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So.

830
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
702 Surveillance: can they see my dick?

831
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes.

832
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
The Pfizen act of 2008,

833
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
which Section 702 falls under,

834
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
allows the bulk-collection of

835
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
internet communications that are

836
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
one-end foreign.

837
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Bulk-collection:

838
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
now we're talking about my dick.

839
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You get it.

840
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I do.

841
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Because it's, it's, yeah.

842
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So, if you have you're email somewhere...

843
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
like G-mail, hosted over seas or

844
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
transferred somewhere over seas,

845
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or any time crosses outside the borders

846
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of the United States...

847
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
you're junk ends up in the database.

848
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So it doesn't have to be

849
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
sending your dick to a German?

850
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

851
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Even if you sent it to somebody

852
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
within the United States,

853
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
your wholly domestic communication

854
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
between you and your wife

855
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
can go from New York...

856
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to London and back.

857
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And get caught up in the database.

858
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Executive Order 12-333: Dick or no dick?

859
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes.

860
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
EO 12-333 is what the NSA uses

861
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
when the other authorities aren't

862
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
aggressive enough,

863
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or they're not catching as much

864
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
as they like.

865
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
For example...

866
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
How are they gonna see my dick?

867
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I'm only concerned about my penis.

868
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
When you send your junk

869
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
through G-mail, for example,

870
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that's stored on Google-servers.

871
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Google moves data.

872
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
From datacenter to datacenter.

873
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Invisibly to you, without your knowledge.

874
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Your data could be moved outside

875
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the borders of the United States.

876
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Oh no.

877
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Temporarily.

878
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
When your junk was passed by G-mail,

879
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the NSA caught a copy of that.

880
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Prism.

881
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Prism is how they pull your junk

882
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
out of Google, with Google's involvement.

883
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
All of the different Prism partners,

884
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
people like Yahoo, Facebook, Google,

885
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the Government deputizes them, to be,

886
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
sort of their little surveillance sherif.

887
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
They're a dick-sherif.

888
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Correct.

889
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Uhm, Upstream.

890
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Upstream is how they snatch your junk

891
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
as it transes the internet.

892
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Okay. Mystic.

893
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If you're describing your junk

894
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
on the phone?

895
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes.

896
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But do they have the content

897
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of that junk-call,

898
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or just the duration of it?

899
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
They have the content as well,

900
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but only for a few countries.

901
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If you are on vacation in the Bahamas?

902
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes.

903
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Finally. And you need to remind yourself?

904
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No, I'm just not sure...

905
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
what to do with this.

906
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Just hold on to it.

907
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
It's a lot of responsibility.

908
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yeah. It is a lot of responsibility.

909
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That's the whole point.

910
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Should I...?

911
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No, you should absolutely not.

912
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And it's unbelievable

913
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that you would do that.

914
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Actually, it's entirely believable.

915
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
215 meta-data?

916
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

917
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Good.

918
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
But...

919
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Come on, Ed.

920
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
They can probably tell who you're sharing

921
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
your junk pictures with.

922
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Because they're seeing

923
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
who you're texting with,

924
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
who you're calling.

925
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If you're calling

926
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the penis enlargement centre at 3 AM

927
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and that call lasted 90 minutes?

928
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
They would have a record

929
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of YOUR phone-number

930
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
calling THAT phone-number.

931
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
(Which is a penis enlargement center).

932
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
They would say they don't know

933
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
it's penis enlargement center,

934
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
but of course they can look it up.

935
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Edward, if the American people

936
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
understood this...

937
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
they would be absolutely horrified.

938
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I guess I never thought about putting it

939
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in the...

940
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
in the context of your junk.

941
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Would a good take-away from this be...

942
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
'Until such time as we sorted

943
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
all of this out...

944
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
don't take pictures of your dick'.

945
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Just don't do it anymore.

946
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No.

947
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If we do that.

948
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Wait, hold on, you're saying 'no'?

949
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yeah.

950
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You should be

951
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
taking pictures of your dick?

952
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Yes.

953
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You shouldn't change your behavior

954
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
because a Government agency somehwere

955
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
is doing the wrong thing.

956
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
If you sacrifice our values

957
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
because we're afraid...

958
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
we don't care

959
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
about those values very much.

960
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
That is a pretty inspiring answer

961
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to the question:

962
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"Hey, why did you just send me a picutre

963
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of your dick?"

964
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
"Because I love America, that's why."

965
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
So there you have it, America.

966
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
All of us should now be equipped

967
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
to have this vital debate.

968
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Because by June 1,

969
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
it is imperative we have a rational,

970
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
adult conversation

971
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
about whether our safety is worth

972
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
living in a country of barely regulated

973
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Government sanctioned dick-sherifs.

974
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And with my work here done,

975
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
there was just time to take care of

976
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
one more thing.

977
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Finally, congratulations

978
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
on winning the Oscar.

979
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I know you couldn't be at the ceremony

980
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
for obvious reasons, so...

981
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Hah?

982
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Wow.

983
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I thought we'd celebrate ourselves.

984
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Cheers.

985
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Wow, that's...

986
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
that's really something.

987
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Thank you.

988
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You're welcome.

989
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
What's the over/under on me

990
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
getting home safely?

991
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Well, if you weren't on the list before,

992
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
you are now.

993
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Is that like, uhm...

994
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
is that like a figu... is that like a joke

995
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
or is that actually possible?

996
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
No, it's... it's a real thing.

997
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
You're associated now.

998
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Okay.

999
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Just to be clear NSA:

1000
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I never met this guy, so

1001
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
take me off you're f*cking list.

1002
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I do not want to get stuck in Russia.

1003
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I want to go home I want to go home

1004
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
I want to go home I want to go home

1005
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Now, just for the record.

1006
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Just so you know.

1007
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
We got in touch with the NSA,

1008
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
the National Security Council,

1009
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and the White House,

1010
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
and we asked them to comment

1011
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
on the dick-pick capabilities

1012
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
of each of the programs Edward Snowden

1013
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
just discussed.

1014
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
Which incidentally was some very fun

1015
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
emails to write to Government agencies.

1016
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
They didn't wish to comment on the record.

1017
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
And I can see why,

1018
99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999
for every possible reason.