1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 10 years ago, 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I got a phone call that changed my life. 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 At the time, I was a cardiologist 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at UCLA, 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 specializing in cardiac imaging techniques. 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The call came from a veterinarian 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at the Los Angeles Zoo 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 An elderly female chimpanzee 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 had woken up with a facial droop 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the veterinarians were worried that she had had a stroke 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They asked if I could come to the zoo 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and image the animal's heart 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to look for a possible cardiac cause 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now, to be clear 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 North American Zoos are staffed 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by highly qualified, board certified veterinarians 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who take outstanding care of animal patients 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but occasionally, they do reach into the human medical community 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 particularly for some speciality consultation 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and i was one of the lucky physicians 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who was invited to help 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I had a chance to rule out 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a stroke in this chimpanzee 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and make sure that this gorilla didn't have a torn aorta 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Evaluate this macaw for a heart murmur 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 make sure that this californian sea lion's paracardium wasn't inflammed 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and in this picture, 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm listening to the heart of a lion 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 after a lifesaving collaborative procedure with veteranarians and physicians 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we drained 700 cc's of fluid 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from the sack in which 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this lion's heart was contained 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this procedure, 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which i have done on many human patients 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was identical with the exception of that paw and that tail 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now, most of the time 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i was working at ucla medical center 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with physicians, discussing 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 symptoms, and diagnoses and treatments 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for my human patients 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but some of the time 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i was working at the Los Angeles Zoo with veteranarians 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 discussing symptoms, diagnoses and treatments 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for their animal patients 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and occasionally, on the very same day 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i went on rounds at ucla medical center 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and at the los angeles zoo 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and here's what started coming 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 into very clear focus for me 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 physicians and veterinarians were essentially 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 taking care of the same disorders in their animal and human patients 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 congestive heart failutre, brain tumors, 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 lukemia, diabetes, arthritis, ALS 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 breast cancer, 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 even psychiatric symptoms like depression, 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 anxiety, compulsions, eating disoders 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and self injury 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now, I've got a confession to make 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 even though i studied comparative physiology and evolutionary biology, 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as an undergrad, 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i had even written my senior thesis on darwinian theory, 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 learning about the significant overlap between 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the disorders of animals and humans 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it came as a much needed wake up call for me 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so i started wondering, 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with all of these overlaps, 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 how was it that i had never 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thought to ask a veteranarian 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or consult the veterinary literature 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for insights into one of my human patients? 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 why had i never, nor had any of my physicians friends 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and colleagues, who i asked, 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ever attended a veterinary conference? 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for that matter, why was any of this a surprise? 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i mean look, every single physicians 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 accepts some biological connection 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 between animals and huamns 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 every medication that we perscribe 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or that we've taken ourselves 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or we've given to our families 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 has first been tested on an animal 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but there's something very different about 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 giving an animal a medication or a human disease 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the animal developing congestive heart failure 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or diabetes or breats cancer on their own 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now maybe some of the surprise 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 comes from the increasing 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 separation in our world 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 between the urban and the non-urban 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know, we hear about these city kids who 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think that wool grows on trees 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or that cheese comes from a plant 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 well today's human hospitals 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are turning into increasingly 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these gleaming cathedrals 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of technology 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this creates a psychological 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 distance between the human patients who are being treated there 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and animal patients who are living in oceans 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and farms and jungles. 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but i think there's an even deeper reason 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 physicians and scientists, 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we accept intellectually that our species, homo sapiens 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is merely one species, no more unique 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or special than any other 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but in our hearts, we don't completely BELIEVE THAT 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I feel it myself when I'm listening to motzart 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or looking at pictures of the Mars Rover 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on my macbook 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i feel that tug of human exceptionalism 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 even as i recognize the 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 scientifically isolating cost 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of seeing ourselves as a 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 superior species apart 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 well, I'm trying these days 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when i see a human patient now, 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 i always ask, "what do the animal doctors know about this problem 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that I don't know?" 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and "might i be taking better care 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of my human patient if I saw them as a human animal patient?" 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 here are a few examples of the kind of exciting connections 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that this kind of thinking has led me to 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fear induced heart fialure 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 around the year 2000, 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 human cardiologists discovered emotionally induced heart failure 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it was described in a gambling father who had lost his life's savings 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with the roll of a dice 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in a bride who had been left at the alter 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it turns out that this "new human diagnosis" 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was neither new, nor was it uniquely human 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 veteranarians had been diagnosing 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 treating, and even preventing emotinally 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 induced symptoms in animals 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ranging from monkeys to flamingos 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to deer to rabits 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 since the 1970s 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 how many human lives might have been saved 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if this veterinary knowledge had been 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 put into the hands of ER docs and cardiologists? 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 self injury 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some human patients harm themselves 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some pluck out patches of hair 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 others actually cut themselves 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some animal patients also harm themselves