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Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.40,0:00:21.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ CIND SHERMAN ] With this particular series, I was really \Nso struck.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.02,0:00:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was such a change for me to see them really big
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.60,0:00:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from seeing them just on my computer screen, because suddenly, they seemed much more tragic.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.15,0:00:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They’re kind of aggressive but not exactly aggressive.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.96,0:00:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And then let's move her to the left.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.41,0:00:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I think she looks good there.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.27,0:00:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder if these two...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.73,0:00:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.28,0:00:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ones that were subtle, that I thought, \N"Oh, it looks too much like me. I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.40,0:00:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know if she's really that successful \Nas a piece,"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.31,0:01:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just because I thought, you know—\NI don't feel like I’m lost in it anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.55,0:01:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I just noticed that they just felt like such real people.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.80,0:01:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The Cindy Book," I don't know exactly when I started it. Maybe I was seven or ten. I’m not really sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.93,0:01:35.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are family snapshots that are just \Nstuck throughout.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.07,0:01:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I circled myself in them.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.06,0:01:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And wrote, \N"That's me" under each one.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.46,0:01:54.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I guess I kept it up for a couple of years
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.12,0:02:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then forgot about \Nit until college, found it and decided, "Oh, maybe I’ll update it."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.77,0:02:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that point, I faked \Nmaking the handwriting seem like it was growing up along with the figure in the pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.00,0:02:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s kind of an interesting thing to see yourself, to think that that's really the same person now.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.36,0:02:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s just interesting to also see your evolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.03,0:02:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Growing up in the '50s and early '60s, women did wear a lot of makeup.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.74,0:02:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet, you know, as the '60s and the '70s progressed,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.06,0:02:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was all about being natural.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.20,0:02:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I kind of missed the stuff and the before and after, I guess, of what it does to you and the transformation.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.39,0:02:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think I would play in my room just out of curiosity, see what makeup could do,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.52,0:02:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes, you know, become a character.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.59,0:02:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The clowns, I mean, I loved them so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.40,0:03:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the idea was, okay, I’m making these pictures of clowns, but I don't want it to look like me, but
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.44,0:03:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, that's easy enough to say when you have clown makeup on.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.05,0:03:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But how do you make one clown really look like it's a different person underneath the makeup?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.43,0:03:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was really inspired by \Nlooking online at clown sites.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.29,0:03:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'd have to be, you know, sincere people that just want to be \Nhired to entertain at somebody's birthday party. And...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.91,0:03:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yet, you're looking at all the various faces, and some of them just look like, I don't know that this person—
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.05,0:03:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, like, there's something about them that just, like, I don't trust or, like, is suspicious or like, "Why are they a clown?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.18,0:03:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea sort of continued, where it's like, \Nsay the whole world is a world of clowns,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.62,0:03:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if it's another dimension, like the \Ndimension of clowns,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.48,0:03:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another planet where they all happen \Nto be clowns.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.56,0:04:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just experimenting with this new camera \Nthat I had because it was digital. And...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.18,0:04:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just set some lights up in my studio and just— \NI think I was just playing around.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.44,0:04:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First couple things I was doing were experimenting \Nwith this tape that you put on your skin
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.50,0:04:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to, like, pull back your wrinkles.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.40,0:04:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I did some tests with that and then added a wig and then, you know, kind of evolved from there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.12,0:04:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At this point, I hadn't gone shopping for any other costumes. So I liked this red polka-dot shirt
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.84,0:05:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I continued working on that. And
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.80,0:05:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it turned into this other series. They were going to be \Nlike society portraits of rich Upper East Side people.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.22,0:05:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was trying to make her seem dowdy \Nbut very like she's firm, and, you know, she's...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.88,0:05:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The rock, center, of her family, \Nor thinks she is. Umm...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.15,0:05:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's actually also the first time I used the green screen behind me, because I realized I wanted to add backgrounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.96,0:05:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the lab I work with said, you know, "Please \Nget us a green screen, because it's just easier to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.76,0:05:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,separate the figure from the background that way."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.43,0:05:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was kind of resistant, 'cause I thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.24,0:05:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, "I don't need that."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.76,0:05:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But actually, it does really help. And with digital shooting,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.28,0:05:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a lot easier to keep going. I can \Njust stay in character, continue working,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.24,0:06:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see when it's not working.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.67,0:06:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I don't \Nknow why, but I can just tell, like, "Something's not right."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.89,0:06:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And while I liked this character, \NI think she didn't look old enough for the dowdiness of her outfit.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.40,0:06:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I started to add the \Npaunch in the stomach to get the figure a little bit better.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.74,0:06:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I reshot it to be a much older \Nwoman. So basically, that was how she evolved.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.18,0:06:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The background was at the very end after \Nall the characters were done.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.18,0:06:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to approach the background with the same kind of \Nlicense that a painter would take with—
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.29,0:06:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That artistic license of selectively removing stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.21,0:06:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I liked the idea that she's just floating in this background.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.85,0:07:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, this is just my \Nlittle neurotic organization here of,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.52,0:07:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, the fake lips and teeth and noses, a lot of clown noses, eyeballs and eye-related things,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.43,0:07:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little tiny jewelry. I know, it's kind of \Nridiculous how organized I am.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.79,0:07:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are all the masks and parts of masks. Some of them \NI’ve cut up to use for other things.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.27,0:07:42.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Umm...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.46,0:07:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let’s see.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.79,0:07:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was in college, I made this book of doll \Nclothes of myself and my clothes. And...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.60,0:08:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then I, for a film course I was taking, wanted to bring the doll to life. And so then I shot myself doing all the poses.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.42,0:08:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So from here, I went to do several series,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.20,0:08:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it's all these, like, characters that have been cut out and basically sort of spread out like a deck of cards or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.31,0:08:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And from there, I started to put these little figures together to \Ntell narratives, which is what the murder mystery Pictures were,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.42,0:08:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as a movement study, I \Nsuppose, and character study.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.11,0:08:54.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After doing that for a year or so, when I moved to New York, I was so fed up with cutting these things out to tell stories that I
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.27,0:09:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,realized I just need to do it in one shot and alone, because I was always working alone. And
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.76,0:09:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to imply narrative when I’m working alone just led me to the film stills.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.57,0:09:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't want to make what looked like art, in terms of painting.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.08,0:09:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just thought, "No, I want to make something that looks mass-produced"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.51,0:09:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I didn't want it to have anything to do with art theory.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.16,0:09:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted it to look like, you know, anybody would understand it, because it's—
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.76,0:09:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I looks like it's from a movie, and maybe I saw that movie.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.75,0:09:36.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found, at least through the film stills that I was finding, that it was European movies that the women looked more blank.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.56,0:09:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a way, the character, the face, is not really reacting. It’s, like, in between a reaction.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.58,0:09:47.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either they've \Njust screamed, or they're about to scream.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.50,0:09:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't know, as the viewer, what has \Njust happened, what's about to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.36,0:10:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Film has always kind of been more influential to me \Nthan the art world.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.56,0:10:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, when I was a kid, I watched TV pretty much all the time. \NIt was in the basement. And that's where
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.72,0:10:21.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my sort of—I don't know—where I \Nhung out all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.23,0:10:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had, like, my paints and little projects down there. \NAnd I would just sit in front of the TV and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.08,0:10:32.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work on my school projects or little art \Nprojects and watch movies all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.40,0:10:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't titled anything, really, since the \Nfilm stills.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.84,0:10:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the only series that had an official title.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.99,0:10:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the individual works were \Nreally just numbered according to the gallery.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.18,0:10:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But some series have been named not through me \Nbut through other people writing books.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.05,0:11:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, the fairy tales—I guess I call them the \Nfairy tales 'cause I don't know what else to call them.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.17,0:11:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The centerfolds I’ve also called "The \NHorizontals."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.45,0:11:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason I wasn't titling them, besides the fact that I never felt very much of a wordsmith—
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.00,0:11:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't want people to have a preconceived notion of what they're supposed to imagine this character to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.08,0:11:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the centerfold pictures, which I \Ncall "The Black Sheets" for obvious reasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.44,0:11:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think of that character as having just \Nwoken up from, like, a night out on the town,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.32,0:11:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she's just gone to bed, like, five \Nminutes before, and the sun is waking her up,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.72,0:11:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she's got, like, the worst \Nhangover. You know, it's like,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.52,0:11:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, my god" and she's about to pull the sheets \Nover her head or something to go to sleep.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.04,0:11:58.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And other people look at that and think she's a \Nrape victim.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.86,0:12:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, by saying "The Black Sheets," if I had titled it "The Black Sheets," you know, it would still be ambiguous enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.96,0:12:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess I could've gotten away \Nwith it for that one.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.38,0:12:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Calling it "The Black Sheets" isn't any more interesting than "Untitled Number 79" or whatever it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.00,0:12:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other series, I’ve been kind of criticized because people thought I was making too much fun of the characters I was portraying,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.32,0:12:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the Hollywood Hampton types.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.82,0:12:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I first showed them out in L.A.,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.46,0:12:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was some criticism that they thought I was just making fun of these Hollywood types.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.41,0:12:57.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As if, you know, "Here she comes from the east coast, and who \Ndoes she think she is?" or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.95,0:13:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I kind of liked those characters too. It’s not like I didn't \Nlike them and I’m gonna make fun of these women.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.26,0:13:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think especially in the recent work,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.81,0:13:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they—maybe because they're not so stereotypical type characters, they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.13,0:13:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seem, I think, extremely compassionate and poignant and moving.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.10,0:13:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In these pictures, I was trying to make it look like people who were actually sitting for somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.60,0:13:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,painting and painting and painting and taking days \Nor weeks or however long it took.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.47,0:13:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so there's this sort of boredom that, I think, I wanted them \Nto have, like to look like, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.37,0:13:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"My god, I’ve been sitting here in the same position for, you know, so long. Please hurry up."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.44,0:14:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only thing that just occurred to me, \Nlooking at it again, that I don't think
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.24,0:14:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anybody even realizes is that in the bottom \Nright corner are actually these big toes of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.16,0:14:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a huge foot. I thought, you know, "What if \Nit's like she's a powdered-wigged woman,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.36,0:14:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then she's got these big feet sticking out \Nfrom under her?"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.04,0:14:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want there, in some of them, to be, like, a little joke that you can see, like the big nose on the young girl,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.80,0:14:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The breast that looks like it's just, you \Nknow, like half of a grapefruit stuck on to someone's chest.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.36,0:14:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hadn't done too many \Ncharacters that were men.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.26,0:14:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It wasn't as challenging as I thought.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.51,0:14:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What made it easier in these pictures that was harder in earlier work was that they're just sitting there
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.45,0:15:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of frozen in time and not really—There's not really anything emotional that you're getting out of that character other
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.56,0:15:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than they're just sort of sitting there \Nposing and they look like who they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.80,0:15:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These were not really done in any \Nkind of referential way towards art history.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.63,0:15:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If anything, I was showing how—\Nnot little I care about it, but
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.51,0:15:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how it's just another thing that can influence me along with television and along with cheap magazines.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.13,0:15:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not any more relevant to my time than any of that other stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.36,0:15:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually, when I go to a particular store, it's \None particular thing in mind for a character.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.38,0:15:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Aha, yeah. \NLet's see.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.67,0:16:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, that would be great.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.34,0:16:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tigress lady.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.87,0:16:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Leopard lady. \NOh, my god.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.67,0:16:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my god. \NMore wacky pants.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.99,0:16:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, this is, like, the wacky pants section \Nor something.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.53,0:16:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bob Mackie. No way.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.30,0:16:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my god. Ok.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.01,0:16:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we might be inspiring \Na whole new series right here. Rich hippie ladies.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.56,0:16:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hmm. Eh. \NI got to be discriminating somewhere, I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.09,0:16:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ sighs ] I really made out, really...\N[ chuckles ]
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.71,0:16:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It's gonna be too heavy.\N- I think it's ok.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.53,0:16:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That one's heavy, this one's light.\N[ laughs ]
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.53,0:16:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Ok, thanks a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.04,0:16:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks a lot. Take care.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.29,0:16:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Thank you.\N- Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.84,0:16:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Often, I’ve thought, you know, I can't \Nimagine really doing this my whole life, my whole career.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.42,0:17:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the late '80s and '90s, \NI was experimenting more with gradually taking myself out of the picture,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.41,0:17:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I was \Njust sort of a reflection in something
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.68,0:17:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then eventually just using a lot of mannequins \Nand dolls to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.64,0:17:31.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suggest that there's actually a living person In the picture, but it was, in fact, all still life.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.63,0:17:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of that work, people just assume \Nthat I’m still there, that, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.75,0:17:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my eyes are the eyes that you see \Nthrough the mask or that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.36,0:17:46.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hand in the foreground was actually my hand, as if I still have to be in the picture somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.26,0:17:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wasn't in this whole group of work.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.73,0:18:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was much harder than using myself, because
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.00,0:18:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I use myself, I can play so that every single picture is completely different.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.69,0:18:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to make pictures \Nthat were really big, really in your face.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.02,0:18:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before I even shot anything, I thought, "I \Nwant to make a show of really big pictures," Because
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.78,0:18:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see male artists doing it all the time, even when they're not even, like, well known. They just, like, make
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.00,0:18:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a picture as big as the entire wall of the gallery.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.22,0:18:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just seemed like such a big egotistical thing. And I thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.67,0:18:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I don't know that many women that \Nreally do that." And I thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.41,0:18:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Damn it, I’m gonna do that, make this really big picture." So
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.70,0:18:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, that was kind of part of it too.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.88,0:19:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- See you guys.\NBye.
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