1 00:00:00,217 --> 00:00:02,801 Many parents with families and people 2 00:00:02,801 --> 00:00:05,117 planning their families have realized 3 00:00:05,117 --> 00:00:07,186 that there are many alternatives to the 4 00:00:07,186 --> 00:00:09,070 mainstream schooling system. 5 00:00:09,070 --> 00:00:11,388 Whether it be homeschooling, unschooling, 6 00:00:11,388 --> 00:00:14,657 Waldorf or Montessori, just to name a few 7 00:00:14,657 --> 00:00:17,226 options, there are so many out there. 8 00:00:17,226 --> 00:00:19,128 Today I am going to introduce you to my 9 00:00:19,128 --> 00:00:20,910 friend, Lucy, at Life Without School 10 00:00:20,910 --> 00:00:23,693 and she is going to share 6 reasons why 11 00:00:23,693 --> 00:00:26,575 she chooses to unschool her children. 12 00:00:26,575 --> 00:00:27,559 Here she is... 13 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:29,053 Lucy: Hi everybody! I'm Lucy. 14 00:00:29,053 --> 00:00:31,023 I live in New Zealand in a yurt with my 15 00:00:31,023 --> 00:00:33,934 2 children, Ramona who is 9 and Gina who is 7. 16 00:00:33,934 --> 00:00:35,615 And my partner, Tim. 17 00:00:35,615 --> 00:00:37,682 One of the more radical parts of our life 18 00:00:37,682 --> 00:00:40,001 is that we live a life totally without school. 19 00:00:40,001 --> 00:00:43,286 In fact, we live a life totally without 20 00:00:43,286 --> 00:00:45,537 any curriculum whatsoever. 21 00:00:45,537 --> 00:00:47,702 Some people call this unschooling, some 22 00:00:47,702 --> 00:00:49,636 people call it whole life learning, but 23 00:00:49,636 --> 00:00:52,020 it's really just living as humans have 24 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:55,739 lived for millennia. Which is learning by 25 00:00:55,739 --> 00:00:59,225 doing and learning within your community. 26 00:00:59,225 --> 00:01:01,448 Learning from those around you. Simply 27 00:01:01,448 --> 00:01:04,211 experiencing rather than sitting behind a 28 00:01:04,211 --> 00:01:06,313 desk being taught stuff that you're not 29 00:01:06,313 --> 00:01:07,760 really that interested in. 30 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,796 It's really a paradigm that exists totally 31 00:01:09,796 --> 00:01:12,347 outside of mainstream education. 32 00:01:12,347 --> 00:01:14,262 And today I wanted to share with you 33 00:01:14,262 --> 00:01:16,253 6 of the main reasons that we do it. 34 00:01:16,253 --> 00:01:18,109 There's actually loads and loads, but 35 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:19,966 I've tried to distill them into 6. 36 00:01:19,966 --> 00:01:22,034 When we became parents, one of the main 37 00:01:22,034 --> 00:01:23,936 things we wanted to do is to provide an 38 00:01:23,936 --> 00:01:25,852 environment for our children where they 39 00:01:25,852 --> 00:01:28,387 could just blossom into who they were 40 00:01:28,387 --> 00:01:32,581 inside without any of our molding or 41 00:01:32,581 --> 00:01:34,528 shaping of them. I don't really think 42 00:01:34,528 --> 00:01:36,457 that that is the the job of the parents. 43 00:01:36,457 --> 00:01:39,289 I think the parents main role is to make 44 00:01:39,289 --> 00:01:42,190 space for this unique human that has been 45 00:01:42,190 --> 00:01:43,908 brought into their life. For us, 46 00:01:43,908 --> 00:01:46,726 unschooling is really an extension of that philosophy. 47 00:01:46,726 --> 00:01:49,111 We just want to support our children and 48 00:01:49,111 --> 00:01:51,495 the way they want to learn and what they 49 00:01:51,495 --> 00:01:53,580 want to learn. Without them feeling any 50 00:01:53,580 --> 00:01:56,880 need to conform to what we expect or what 51 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,030 we think, arbitrarily, they should be learning. 52 00:02:00,030 --> 00:02:02,026 So, the number 1 reason is that we want 53 00:02:02,026 --> 00:02:04,601 our children to be able to learn in a way 54 00:02:04,601 --> 00:02:07,134 that is free from shame. So, you know, 55 00:02:07,134 --> 00:02:10,434 85% of adults have had an experience of 56 00:02:10,434 --> 00:02:13,339 shaming in their school years that so 57 00:02:13,339 --> 00:02:15,988 effected them that it impacts their adult life. 58 00:02:15,988 --> 00:02:19,841 That's 85%. That's a huge majority of people. 59 00:02:19,841 --> 00:02:22,129 And that's because mainstream education 60 00:02:22,129 --> 00:02:25,123 uses shame and punishment as a way to get 61 00:02:25,123 --> 00:02:28,294 such a massive group of kids learning what 62 00:02:28,294 --> 00:02:30,253 teachers think is important. Shame can 63 00:02:30,253 --> 00:02:33,009 have a pretty catastrophic impact on your 64 00:02:33,009 --> 00:02:35,394 ability to really be yourself. So we 65 00:02:35,394 --> 00:02:37,460 wanted to provide an environment where 66 00:02:37,460 --> 00:02:39,238 our kids didn't experience that. 67 00:02:39,238 --> 00:02:41,253 Even when they were learning in a way that 68 00:02:41,253 --> 00:02:43,452 seemed pretty random or messy (laughs), 69 00:02:43,452 --> 00:02:46,434 we could just make space for that 70 00:02:46,434 --> 00:02:48,596 learning and how they wanted to do it. 71 00:02:48,596 --> 00:02:50,252 I think because of the mainstream 72 00:02:50,252 --> 00:02:52,184 education system we've made shame and 73 00:02:52,184 --> 00:02:55,353 punishment quite an everyday part of the 74 00:02:55,353 --> 00:02:57,207 human experience. We've kind of 75 00:02:57,207 --> 00:02:59,739 normalized it and that has been done to 76 00:02:59,739 --> 00:03:02,188 the detriment of our ability to create a 77 00:03:02,188 --> 00:03:04,805 fair, just, and beautiful world. 78 00:03:04,805 --> 00:03:07,123 Okay, number 2. Unschooling is curiosity 79 00:03:07,123 --> 00:03:09,544 based learning. And we embrace that 80 00:03:09,544 --> 00:03:11,993 because all of the studies show that 81 00:03:11,993 --> 00:03:14,444 learning that is done where there is self 82 00:03:14,444 --> 00:03:17,212 motivation, or a kind of seed of curiosity 83 00:03:17,212 --> 00:03:20,297 is one, much more effective for learning 84 00:03:20,297 --> 00:03:22,382 the actual thing that you are trying to 85 00:03:22,382 --> 00:03:24,715 pick up, but also activates parts of your 86 00:03:24,715 --> 00:03:26,915 brain that makes it easier for you to 87 00:03:26,915 --> 00:03:29,601 learn anything that is coming up while 88 00:03:29,601 --> 00:03:32,735 you are in that state. Also, thirdly, 89 00:03:32,735 --> 00:03:35,702 studies show that curiosity allows 90 00:03:35,702 --> 00:03:38,586 learning to be stored in your memory. 91 00:03:38,586 --> 00:03:40,555 So, the learning when you are curious is 92 00:03:40,555 --> 00:03:41,938 like a long term thing. 93 00:03:41,938 --> 00:03:43,809 I can imagine that quite a lot of you 94 00:03:43,809 --> 00:03:45,767 watching understand that on some level, 95 00:03:45,767 --> 00:03:47,743 because how much of your schooling do you 96 00:03:47,743 --> 00:03:49,191 actually remember? 97 00:03:49,191 --> 00:03:51,376 For me, it is very little. I am a writer 98 00:03:51,376 --> 00:03:53,547 and I have to google the difference 99 00:03:53,547 --> 00:03:55,561 between noun and adjective (laughs) 100 00:03:55,561 --> 00:03:57,094 on quite a regular basis. 101 00:03:57,094 --> 00:03:58,995 The 3rd reason that we are unschoolers 102 00:03:58,995 --> 00:04:01,013 is because we want to create a learning 103 00:04:01,013 --> 00:04:02,911 environment that's totally stress free. 104 00:04:02,911 --> 00:04:04,881 Just like learning without curiosity, 105 00:04:04,881 --> 00:04:06,949 learning in a stressful environment is 106 00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:09,381 such a waste of time. Stress has a huge 107 00:04:09,381 --> 00:04:12,001 impact on your amygdala, which essentially 108 00:04:12,001 --> 00:04:14,718 ends up sending information to the wrong 109 00:04:14,718 --> 00:04:16,648 part of your brain, not to your higher 110 00:04:16,648 --> 00:04:19,053 brain where you can rationally look at the 111 00:04:19,053 --> 00:04:21,148 information and create a learning journey. 112 00:04:21,148 --> 00:04:22,959 But it sends it down to the fight or 113 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:24,975 flight zone when you are in stress, so 114 00:04:24,975 --> 00:04:26,922 your brain actually doesn't know what to 115 00:04:26,922 --> 00:04:29,790 do with information when you are in a stressful state. 116 00:04:29,790 --> 00:04:31,578 There are some statistics about this, 117 00:04:31,578 --> 00:04:35,127 saying that 65% of 12 year old school 118 00:04:35,127 --> 00:04:37,666 children are stressed because of their 119 00:04:37,666 --> 00:04:39,844 school environment. Obviously, that has 120 00:04:39,844 --> 00:04:41,862 a massive impact on what they are actually 121 00:04:41,862 --> 00:04:43,645 taking in, what information they are 122 00:04:43,645 --> 00:04:46,136 actually taking in while they are in the classroom. 123 00:04:46,136 --> 00:04:48,028 But also, huge impacts on their mental 124 00:04:48,028 --> 00:04:49,718 health and their physical health. 125 00:04:49,718 --> 00:04:51,417 I just think that trying to raise 126 00:04:51,417 --> 00:04:53,166 children in a constantly stressful 127 00:04:53,166 --> 00:04:55,083 environment, because of testing and 128 00:04:55,083 --> 00:04:57,235 competition, because of shame and 129 00:04:57,235 --> 00:05:00,068 punishment, is just a super unhealthy thing. 130 00:05:00,068 --> 00:05:01,987 So, a typical day of unschooling might 131 00:05:01,987 --> 00:05:04,537 involve us hanging around here. It often 132 00:05:04,537 --> 00:05:06,856 involves us meeting up with friends and 133 00:05:06,856 --> 00:05:09,373 doing different unschooling groups and 134 00:05:09,373 --> 00:05:12,594 exploring the wild. It's always fun. 135 00:05:12,594 --> 00:05:14,404 There might be conflict, but there is 136 00:05:14,404 --> 00:05:16,261 space to figure out the conflicts so it 137 00:05:16,261 --> 00:05:19,125 doesn't become a genuinely toxic or 138 00:05:19,125 --> 00:05:21,528 stressful scenario. We're joy seekers 139 00:05:21,528 --> 00:05:24,040 rather than stressed out learners. 140 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,944 4, we are unschooling because we believe 141 00:05:25,944 --> 00:05:28,232 that you are learning all of the time. 142 00:05:28,232 --> 00:05:30,003 Learning doesn't begin at 5 and ends 143 00:05:30,003 --> 00:05:32,164 at 18 when you leave formal education 144 00:05:32,164 --> 00:05:34,449 But most parents get this, right? 145 00:05:34,449 --> 00:05:37,115 You don't try to teach your child to walk 146 00:05:37,115 --> 00:05:39,400 or talk, you just know that they're going to 147 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,078 pick those things up by being in a walky, talky 148 00:05:42,078 --> 00:05:44,568 kind of environment. And we just believe 149 00:05:44,568 --> 00:05:47,053 that that continues on. Nothing needs to 150 00:05:47,053 --> 00:05:50,222 change when they turn a certain age. 151 00:05:50,222 --> 00:05:52,422 Our kids are 7 and 9 now, and they are 152 00:05:52,422 --> 00:05:56,043 reading, writing, doing art, creating, 153 00:05:56,043 --> 00:05:59,042 making things, doing heaps of math, 154 00:05:59,042 --> 00:06:01,591 like genuine love of math. And they are 155 00:06:01,591 --> 00:06:04,078 just doing it by living. There has never 156 00:06:04,078 --> 00:06:07,478 been a sit down, formal class for my children. 157 00:06:07,478 --> 00:06:09,728 They always just learn through their 158 00:06:09,728 --> 00:06:11,777 experience of being human. And, actually, 159 00:06:11,777 --> 00:06:14,015 as adults we do this all the time. If we 160 00:06:14,015 --> 00:06:16,230 want to learn something new as an adult 161 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:18,283 we will just find a way to access it. 162 00:06:18,283 --> 00:06:21,101 In the last few years I have taught myself 163 00:06:21,101 --> 00:06:23,036 how to play the ukulele, I've taught 164 00:06:23,036 --> 00:06:25,428 myself how to make electronic digital 165 00:06:25,428 --> 00:06:27,501 music (laughs). I've built a business. 166 00:06:27,501 --> 00:06:29,478 I've done absolutely loads of things like 167 00:06:29,478 --> 00:06:32,503 moving almost into mastery of some of those things 168 00:06:32,503 --> 00:06:34,958 simply by accessing the resources that 169 00:06:34,958 --> 00:06:36,897 will help me. Even doctors do this when 170 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:38,905 they get presented with a case that they 171 00:06:38,905 --> 00:06:40,629 don't really know what's going on. 172 00:06:40,629 --> 00:06:42,493 They might ring some colleagues, they 173 00:06:42,493 --> 00:06:44,592 might look up online, or delve into their 174 00:06:44,592 --> 00:06:47,527 books in order to get to the bottom this 175 00:06:47,527 --> 00:06:49,547 new illness or this new case. 176 00:06:49,547 --> 00:06:52,631 That is really essentially unschooling. 177 00:06:52,631 --> 00:06:54,463 It's learning through doing. 178 00:06:54,463 --> 00:06:56,449 The 5th reason we are unschooling is 179 00:06:56,449 --> 00:06:58,866 because we just trust our children and we 180 00:06:58,866 --> 00:07:01,099 want them to learn that they can trust 181 00:07:01,099 --> 00:07:03,051 themselves. Our children know that their 182 00:07:03,051 --> 00:07:06,270 instincts are good, that their urges are 183 00:07:06,270 --> 00:07:08,551 good, that their needs are valuable. 184 00:07:08,551 --> 00:07:11,422 Whereas I think mainstream education can 185 00:07:11,422 --> 00:07:13,692 really undermine a child's trust in 186 00:07:13,692 --> 00:07:15,755 themselves. They're told to learn this in 187 00:07:15,755 --> 00:07:17,651 this moment, and then a bell rings and 188 00:07:17,651 --> 00:07:19,790 they're told to switch their mind over to 189 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:21,593 the new thing and learn that thing. 190 00:07:21,593 --> 00:07:23,432 They're told to mistrust their body's 191 00:07:23,432 --> 00:07:25,218 desire to move when it wants to move. 192 00:07:25,218 --> 00:07:27,215 We even ask children, through schooling, 193 00:07:27,215 --> 00:07:31,312 to trespass on their own boundaries, both 194 00:07:31,312 --> 00:07:33,228 mentally and physically, quite a lot 195 00:07:33,228 --> 00:07:35,263 through mainstream education. And through 196 00:07:35,263 --> 00:07:37,172 unschooling we kind of do the opposite 197 00:07:37,172 --> 00:07:39,211 of this. We say, what you are feeling is 198 00:07:39,211 --> 00:07:41,245 good, your needs are good, I trust you and 199 00:07:41,245 --> 00:07:43,200 you can trust yourself. 200 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,955 And that leads me to the 6th reason 201 00:07:44,955 --> 00:07:46,824 that we are unschooling and that's all 202 00:07:46,824 --> 00:07:48,774 about world change. When i first began 203 00:07:48,774 --> 00:07:50,508 this whole unschooling thing I just 204 00:07:50,508 --> 00:07:52,514 thought, ya we're doing this because this 205 00:07:52,514 --> 00:07:54,565 is what works for our family and this is 206 00:07:54,565 --> 00:07:56,504 the path we've been called to. But the 207 00:07:56,504 --> 00:07:58,639 more that I'm immersed in this world, 208 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:00,541 I've actually come to believe that 209 00:08:00,541 --> 00:08:02,807 unschooling and other forms of alternative 210 00:08:02,807 --> 00:08:05,393 education are really the embodiment of 211 00:08:05,393 --> 00:08:07,961 the just and peaceful, loving world that 212 00:08:07,961 --> 00:08:10,194 I think is possible. I believe that 213 00:08:10,194 --> 00:08:12,594 mainstream education, as it stands, with 214 00:08:12,594 --> 00:08:15,330 it's shame, punishment, testing, 215 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:17,748 competitive nature...you know, ranking 216 00:08:17,748 --> 00:08:19,748 kids against each other...I believe that 217 00:08:19,748 --> 00:08:22,215 is like the seedbed of some of society's 218 00:08:22,215 --> 00:08:24,948 most problematic issues. We're coming 219 00:08:24,948 --> 00:08:26,780 into this understanding that we are 220 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:28,718 actually not born competitive. 221 00:08:28,718 --> 00:08:31,303 We're born cooperative, that's our human 222 00:08:31,303 --> 00:08:33,218 nature, I really believe that. I think 223 00:08:33,218 --> 00:08:35,603 through the schooling system we pit kids 224 00:08:35,603 --> 00:08:38,122 against each other and that bleeds into 225 00:08:38,122 --> 00:08:40,723 the rest of society. There's almost like 226 00:08:40,723 --> 00:08:43,207 a collective societal wound from our 227 00:08:43,207 --> 00:08:45,635 school days and it makes itself known in 228 00:08:45,635 --> 00:08:47,608 individuals in a different way. So, some 229 00:08:47,608 --> 00:08:50,143 people are people pleasers, some people 230 00:08:50,143 --> 00:08:52,643 are afraid of authority or afraid to rock 231 00:08:52,643 --> 00:08:54,860 the boat. A lot of people feel that they 232 00:08:54,860 --> 00:08:57,477 are just not intrinsically good enough. 233 00:08:57,477 --> 00:08:59,863 A lot of people struggle to rest and play. 234 00:08:59,863 --> 00:09:01,964 This is all stuff that we learn through 235 00:09:01,964 --> 00:09:04,063 our schooling years, when we are being 236 00:09:04,063 --> 00:09:06,099 shunted from one activity to the other 237 00:09:06,099 --> 00:09:08,285 with our minds placed in somebody elses' 238 00:09:08,285 --> 00:09:10,201 hands. These days I tend to think that 239 00:09:10,201 --> 00:09:12,030 mainstream education is one of the 240 00:09:12,030 --> 00:09:13,546 strongholds of capitalism. 241 00:09:13,546 --> 00:09:15,216 Raising people who are so 242 00:09:15,216 --> 00:09:17,438 unhappy and mistrust themselves so 243 00:09:17,438 --> 00:09:19,754 much with so much mental anguish that we 244 00:09:19,754 --> 00:09:22,474 have to consume and fight in order to 245 00:09:22,474 --> 00:09:24,738 feel okay. Oooh, got a little bit heavy 246 00:09:24,738 --> 00:09:26,690 there (laughs). But for me, that makes 247 00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:28,712 sense, when you place children for 15, 248 00:09:28,712 --> 00:09:32,842 or more, of their formative years into an 249 00:09:32,842 --> 00:09:35,109 institution that's kind of what you get. 250 00:09:35,109 --> 00:09:36,970 Those are 6 of the reasons that we've 251 00:09:36,970 --> 00:09:38,879 chosen unschooling. I'm super happy to 252 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:40,919 answer any questions that you have and the 253 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:42,987 unschooling world is very friendly, so if 254 00:09:42,987 --> 00:09:44,877 you want to jump on board this ship we 255 00:09:44,877 --> 00:09:46,575 would welcome you with open arms. 256 00:09:46,575 --> 00:09:48,572 That sounds a bit weird and cult-y, it's 257 00:09:48,572 --> 00:09:50,496 not really like that. There's too much 258 00:09:50,496 --> 00:09:52,337 anarchy for it to be cult-y. (laughs) 259 00:09:52,337 --> 00:09:54,373 Rob: I hope that you got a lot out of that 260 00:09:54,373 --> 00:09:56,469 time with Lucy. If you did, make sure to 261 00:09:56,469 --> 00:09:58,604 subscribe to her channel where she shares 262 00:09:58,604 --> 00:10:01,204 a lot of valuable information on teaching 263 00:10:01,204 --> 00:10:03,571 children in a home setting. 264 00:10:03,571 --> 00:10:05,287 And make sure to subscribe to this 265 00:10:05,287 --> 00:10:08,423 channel, as well, for a lot more great videos to come. 266 00:10:08,423 --> 00:10:11,861 I love you all very much and see you again real soon!