1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:05,704 Audience Cheering 2 00:00:05,704 --> 00:00:09,379 Jon Stewart: Welcome back! My guest tonight- she's an advocate for girls' access to education worldwide, 3 00:00:09,379 --> 00:00:14,184 is the youngest person ever to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, her new book is called, 4 00:00:14,184 --> 00:00:18,311 I Am Malala: The Girl Who Stood Up for Education and Was Shot by the Taliban 5 00:00:18,311 --> 00:00:20,770 Please welcome to the program Malala Yousafzai. 6 00:00:20,770 --> 00:00:23,929 Audience Cheering Loudly 7 00:00:23,929 --> 00:00:29,542 Triumphant Music 8 00:00:29,542 --> 00:00:33,558 Audience Continues Cheering 9 00:00:33,558 --> 00:00:35,145 J: Nice to see you. 10 00:00:35,145 --> 00:00:39,453 Audience Continues Cheering Loudly, One Audience Member Yells 11 00:00:39,453 --> 00:00:40,657 J: Thank you for being here. 12 00:00:40,657 --> 00:00:42,640 M: Thank you so much. It's an honor for me. 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,644 J: Uh, it is an honor for us. I know me. 14 00:00:45,644 --> 00:00:47,876 Audience and Malala Laugh Quietly 15 00:00:47,876 --> 00:00:53,084 J: This is-- by the way, I- we talked a little bit before the show. 16 00:00:53,084 --> 00:00:56,811 Nothing feels better than making you laugh, I will say that. 17 00:00:56,811 --> 00:00:58,364 M: (laughing quietly) Thank you. 18 00:00:58,364 --> 00:01:00,283 J: I will say that I enjoyed that very much. 19 00:01:00,283 --> 00:01:06,769 J: I am Malala it, it-it it's honestly humbling to meet you. 20 00:01:06,769 --> 00:01:13,740 You are 16, where did your love for education come from? 21 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:19,717 M: Um, we are human beings, and this is the part of our, of our human nature- 22 00:01:19,717 --> 00:01:24,477 that we don't learn the importance of anything until it's snatched from our hands. 23 00:01:24,477 --> 00:01:31,262 And when- in Pakistan, when we were stopped from going to school, at that time, I realized that education is 24 00:01:31,262 --> 00:01:38,201 very important. And education is the power for women. And that's why the terrorists are afraid of education. 25 00:01:38,201 --> 00:01:43,174 They do not want women to get education, because then women would become more powerful. 26 00:01:43,174 --> 00:01:46,444 Audience Cheering/Applauding 27 00:01:46,444 --> 00:01:51,349 J: That's exactly- that's exactly right. 28 00:01:51,349 --> 00:01:55,811 When did the- when the Taliban come to Swat Valley? 29 00:01:55,811 --> 00:02:01,525 Because, before then, you describe it as a- a paradise, of sorts. 30 00:02:01,525 --> 00:02:05,097 M: A Taliban came in 2004, but at that time they were quite good. 31 00:02:05,097 --> 00:02:10,167 They did not show their, they're the terrorism. And they did not blast any school at that time. 32 00:02:10,167 --> 00:02:16,394 But they started the real terrorism in 2007. They have blasted more than 400 schools in Swat. 33 00:02:16,394 --> 00:02:17,727 They have slaughtered people. 34 00:02:17,727 --> 00:02:23,750 And in the month of January, 2009, they- they used to slaugher even two, three people every night. 35 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:28,253 And they have flogged women. We have seen the barbaric situation of the 21st century, 36 00:02:28,253 --> 00:02:34,760 and we have seen like the, the-the cruelty and we have seen harsh days in our life, 37 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,644 and those will be regarded as the darkest days of our life. 38 00:02:37,644 --> 00:02:41,144 So, it was- it was really hard of us at that time. 39 00:02:41,144 --> 00:02:50,506 J: You describe in the book, still, no matter what, they- they took the signs off of schools, they, uh- 40 00:02:50,506 --> 00:02:59,894 they went underground; but they continued in the face of- you spoke out publicly against the Taliban- 41 00:02:59,894 --> 00:03:04,662 What gave you the courage to continue this? 42 00:03:04,662 --> 00:03:10,930 M: You know- my father was a great encouragement for me, because he spoke out- 43 00:03:10,930 --> 00:03:16,667 uh, he spoke out for women's rights, he spoke out for girls' education. And at that time, I said that, 44 00:03:16,667 --> 00:03:19,003 "Why shall I wait for someone else? 45 00:03:19,003 --> 00:03:22,895 Why shall I be looking to the government, to the army, that they would help us? 46 00:03:22,895 --> 00:03:27,061 Why don't I raise my voice? Why don't we speak up for our rights?" 47 00:03:27,061 --> 00:03:29,714 The girls of Swat, they spoke up for their rights. 48 00:03:29,714 --> 00:03:34,117 I started writing diary. I spoke on every media channel that I could. 49 00:03:34,117 --> 00:03:37,146 And I raised my voice on every platform that I could. 50 00:03:37,146 --> 00:03:40,758 And I said, I need to tell the world what is happening in Swat. 51 00:03:40,758 --> 00:03:46,811 And I need to tell the world that Swat is suffering from terrorism, and we need to fight against terrorism. 52 00:03:46,811 --> 00:03:53,837 J: When did you realize the Taliban had made you a target? 53 00:03:53,837 --> 00:04:02,394 M: Um- when uh, in 2012, um, we were- I was with my father and someone came and she told us that- 54 00:04:02,394 --> 00:04:07,853 "Have you seen, on uh, google net, if you research your name, and uh, the Taliban have threatened you?" 55 00:04:07,853 --> 00:04:13,978 And, I just could not believe it, I said, "No, it's not true." And even after the threat, when we saw it, 56 00:04:13,978 --> 00:04:17,695 I was not worried about myself that much, I was worried about my father. 57 00:04:17,695 --> 00:04:22,666 Because we thought that the Taliban are not that much cruel that they will kill a child, 58 00:04:22,666 --> 00:04:24,842 because I was 14 at that time. 59 00:04:24,842 --> 00:04:31,277 But then later on, I-I used to like started, I, I started thinking about that and I used to think- think that the 60 00:04:31,277 --> 00:04:37,617 Talib would come and he would just kill me. But then I said, "If he comes, what would you do, Malala?" 61 00:04:37,617 --> 00:04:43,476 Um- then I would reply myself that, "Malala, just take a shoe and hit him." But then I said- 62 00:04:43,476 --> 00:04:45,358 Audience Laughing Lightly 63 00:04:45,358 --> 00:04:51,530 M: But then I said, "If you hit a Talib with your shoe, then there would be no difference you and the Talib. 64 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:56,001 You must not treat others, that much with cruelty, and that much harshly. 65 00:04:56,001 --> 00:05:00,404 You must fight others, but through peace, and through dialogue, and through education." 66 00:05:00,404 --> 00:05:07,395 Then I said, I'll tell him how important education is, and that, "I even want education for your children as well." 67 00:05:07,395 --> 00:05:11,813 And I will tell him, "That's what I want to tell you, now do what you want." 68 00:05:11,813 --> 00:05:24,894 Audience Cheering and Whistling Loudly 69 00:05:24,894 --> 00:05:34,144 J: Let me ask you- you know, I know your father is- is backstage. And he's very proud of you, but 70 00:05:34,144 --> 00:05:37,562 would he be mad, if I adopted you? 71 00:05:37,562 --> 00:05:41,461 Audience and Malala Laugh 72 00:05:41,461 --> 00:05:44,517 J: Because, you sure are swell. 73 00:05:44,517 --> 00:05:45,748 Audience Laughing Lightly 74 00:05:45,748 --> 00:05:47,259 J: Um, could you stick around? 75 00:05:47,259 --> 00:05:52,523 I want to talk a little bit more about, sort of, Swat Valley, and- and what it was like growing up there, 76 00:05:52,523 --> 00:05:58,463 and- and how people can get involved through the Malala fund and- and those types of things. 77 00:05:58,463 --> 00:06:00,932 Do you have a-a little bit of time uh -to stick around? 78 00:06:00,932 --> 00:06:02,431 M: Yeah, yeah. Sure. 79 00:06:02,431 --> 00:06:04,136 J: That would be wonderful, thank you so much. 80 00:06:04,136 --> 00:06:05,977 J: I Am Malala is on the bookshelves now. 81 00:06:05,977 --> 00:06:07,339 Audience Cheering Loudly 82 00:06:07,339 --> 00:06:10,674 Donate to the Malala fund, visit: www.malalafund.org 83 00:06:10,674 --> 00:06:12,223 Malala Yousafzai 84 00:06:12,223 --> 00:06:13,317 We'll be right back. 85 00:06:13,317 --> 00:06:16,486 Triumphant Music 86 00:06:16,486 --> 00:06:18,641 Audience Cheering 87 00:06:21,641 --> 00:06:22,749 Audience Cheering 88 00:06:22,749 --> 00:06:24,669 J: Wonderful to listen to you talk. 89 00:06:24,669 --> 00:06:29,794 Uh, we are back, we are talking to Malala. The book, I am Malala is on shelves right now. 90 00:06:29,794 --> 00:06:35,228 Your love of school reminds me so much of my children. 91 00:06:35,228 --> 00:06:41,315 Audience and Malala Laughing 92 00:06:42,377 --> 00:06:44,614 J: Okay, maybe not. 93 00:06:44,614 --> 00:06:47,697 Audience Laughing Lightly 94 00:06:47,697 --> 00:06:53,380 Uh, the people of Swat Valley- when the Talib first came, they thought- 95 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:58,403 "They're bringing order. They're bringing services." 96 00:06:58,403 --> 00:07:04,886 They established a court that was faster than uh- Pakistani courts. 97 00:07:04,886 --> 00:07:06,403 M: (Quietly) Yeah 98 00:07:06,403 --> 00:07:09,941 J: And the people responded. 99 00:07:09,941 --> 00:07:13,324 When did that being to turn? 100 00:07:13,324 --> 00:07:19,110 M: When the Taliban came they were trying to convince people, and they were just misusing the name of Islam, 101 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:23,017 and they were telling people uh, "We will just set up another court for you. 102 00:07:23,017 --> 00:07:30,392 and we will provide you justice on time." Because usually in courts in Pakistan, people dies and their 103 00:07:30,392 --> 00:07:36,994 case is not yet resolved in the- in the, in the courts. So that's what is happening in the courts of Pakistan. 104 00:07:36,994 --> 00:07:42,130 So people just said like, "If the Taliban are doing it, why don't we support them?" 105 00:07:42,130 --> 00:07:47,380 But- then they were that much cruel when their- they started slaughtering people. 106 00:07:47,380 --> 00:07:51,816 And they even blasted a, uh-a generator of electricity. 107 00:07:51,816 --> 00:07:54,541 And it was the month of Ramadan, in which we keep fast, 108 00:07:54,541 --> 00:07:58,752 in which we don't eat on the day, in which we don't drink for the whole day. 109 00:07:58,752 --> 00:08:05,332 They blasted the electricity generators which was providing electricity to the whole city of Mingora. 110 00:08:05,332 --> 00:08:10,298 And we could not have water because it is- electricity is related to water supply as well. 111 00:08:10,298 --> 00:08:16,248 And people were sitting in the dark, people could not buy electricity generators, 112 00:08:16,248 --> 00:08:22,842 people were just sitting in the light of candles, and people were just dying of thirst at that time. 113 00:08:22,842 --> 00:08:28,131 But my father is a great father, because he bought generator for the school to- to create electricity, 114 00:08:28,131 --> 00:08:34,081 and to uh, um, and to provide water to the- the uh, street and to that community. 115 00:08:34,081 --> 00:08:38,989 But still, many people were- were suffering from that hard situation. 116 00:08:38,989 --> 00:08:42,463 And other that, our freedom was taken from us. 117 00:08:42,463 --> 00:08:43,533 J: Yes. 118 00:08:43,533 --> 00:08:48,048 M: The women's freedom- we could not go to market. We were not allowed to go to school. 119 00:08:48,048 --> 00:08:54,073 We were just kept imprisoned. We were just limited to the four walls of our house. 120 00:08:54,073 --> 00:08:58,380 Women's ri- women's rights were denied at that time. And that's why I spoke. 121 00:08:58,380 --> 00:09:03,787 Because I believe in equality. And I believe there is no difference between a man and a woman. 122 00:09:03,787 --> 00:09:06,753 I even believe that a woman is more powerful than men. 123 00:09:06,753 --> 00:09:08,518 J: What-wait, whoa, wait, what? 124 00:09:08,518 --> 00:09:10,315 Audience Cheering/Whistling 125 00:09:10,315 --> 00:09:12,042 J: What? I-wait! 126 00:09:12,042 --> 00:09:15,381 Audience Continues Cheering & Malala Laughs 127 00:09:15,381 --> 00:09:17,129 J: You know- 128 00:09:17,129 --> 00:09:18,883 Audience Continues Applauding 129 00:09:18,883 --> 00:09:21,495 J: Malala, this was going so well- 130 00:09:21,495 --> 00:09:23,910 Audience & Malala Laugh 131 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:29,449 J: You were doing so beautifully...and then suddenly, BAM! 132 00:09:29,449 --> 00:09:31,617 Audience & Malala Laugh 133 00:09:31,617 --> 00:09:39,018 J: It's-- this is the part that they, they uh- began to say, "You cannot dance." 134 00:09:39,018 --> 00:09:40,190 M: (somberly) Yeah. 135 00:09:40,019 --> 00:09:44,221 You cannot- uh- the women cannot do these things. 136 00:09:44,221 --> 00:09:54,833 Uh-You, you say that, that many people believe uh- this is a- a wrong interpretation of Islam, Uh-of, of the Qur'an. 137 00:09:54,833 --> 00:10:03,319 Do you- Why have the Taliban and these more extreme groups been able to be successful? 138 00:10:03,319 --> 00:10:07,730 Is it the fear that they bring uh- to these towns? 139 00:10:07,730 --> 00:10:13,634 Do they i-is that why the people have had a hard time throwing it off? 140 00:10:13,634 --> 00:10:19,759 M: The first thing is that they were really cruel, they had "clashin coves," they had guns in their hand. 141 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:23,895 And If I had a gun in my hand and I tell you something, "Do this." You have to do that! 142 00:10:23,895 --> 00:10:26,168 Because it's, it's for your life. 143 00:10:26,168 --> 00:10:30,614 So there was fear- all around. That's why our people could not say anything. 144 00:10:30,614 --> 00:10:34,270 And then the second thing was that they were misusing the name of Islam. 145 00:10:34,270 --> 00:10:37,447 They were telling people that, "We are doing this for Islam. We are doing this for Allah. 146 00:10:37,447 --> 00:10:40,075 We are doing this for prophet. Peace be upon Him." 147 00:10:40,075 --> 00:10:45,614 So- as well as- they were using religion for their own personal benefit. So that's also- they- the reason. 148 00:10:45,614 --> 00:10:51,923 But then, later on, people tried to realize this. And the girls, are very brave. 149 00:10:51,923 --> 00:10:55,839 And girls in our school-like we were, at that time we were just 11 or 12 years old. 150 00:10:55,839 --> 00:11:01,114 But we spoke up for our rights to every media channel, to every newspaper that we could. 151 00:11:01,114 --> 00:11:06,168 And we did not know at that time that our small interview would have an impact or not, but it had, 152 00:11:06,168 --> 00:11:10,506 because we were raising up our voice, and we were speaking up for our rights. 153 00:11:10,506 --> 00:11:14,037 And we were speaking for peace in Swat, we wanted to live a normal life. 154 00:11:14,037 --> 00:11:21,114 Because Swat is like a paradise on earth. I believe in two paradises. One-one I'll get after death, 155 00:11:21,114 --> 00:11:26,364 but the other one, that is on earth, for me that is Swat, because Swat is really beautiful. 156 00:11:26,364 --> 00:11:29,782 And you would be, you would be astonished when you see the lush green hills, 157 00:11:29,782 --> 00:11:34,935 and when you see the tall mountain. And the- and the rivers that we have, the crystal clear water, 158 00:11:34,935 --> 00:11:39,503 and you can find trout. So it's really beautiful, you would love Swat! 159 00:11:39,503 --> 00:11:41,697 J: Malala, ple- I'm, I'm from New Jersey. 160 00:11:41,697 --> 00:11:44,871 Malala Laughs, Audience Laughs/Cheers 161 00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:47,698 J: So- I know a little something about paradise. 162 00:11:47,698 --> 00:11:50,246 Audience Laughs/One Person Cheers 163 00:11:50,246 --> 00:11:52,388 J: The beaches-- it does, it-it sounds magnificent. 164 00:11:52,388 --> 00:12:00,158 And it's, it is heartbreaking, because you see uh, uh- what these children want and what this people want is 165 00:12:00,158 --> 00:12:06,454 to just live in peace, without having this imposed on them. 166 00:12:06,454 --> 00:12:08,003 M: (Somberly) Yeah. 167 00:12:08,003 --> 00:12:12,801 J: And I think, we don't know what to do to help. 168 00:12:12,801 --> 00:12:20,412 You know, there are passages in the book about the United States. Uh- and uh- we come out great. 169 00:12:20,412 --> 00:12:23,090 One Audience Member Yells, "Yeah!" Malala Laughs 170 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:29,182 J: But there, there is, you know, there are attacks in Swat and in those areas- drones. 171 00:12:29,182 --> 00:12:36,447 And, and uh, the talk about a man, a CIA uh, agent who shot two men in Lahore. 172 00:12:36,447 --> 00:12:37,781 Malala: (somberly) Yeah. 173 00:12:37,781 --> 00:12:38,988 J: Uh, Raymond uh- 174 00:12:38,988 --> 00:12:40,178 M: (quietly) Davis. 175 00:12:40,178 --> 00:12:41,783 J: Davis. 176 00:12:41,783 --> 00:12:48,238 And this is, is- I think we have a common want, and desire. 177 00:12:48,238 --> 00:12:57,512 But perhaps are not accomplishing it in-in the manner that, that shows the people how we- how we feel. 178 00:12:57,512 --> 00:13:05,396 But in some ways, we don't know what else to do. What, what- what is- what is your thought on that? 179 00:13:05,396 --> 00:13:10,229 M: Um- I think that the people of America, the United States, 180 00:13:10,229 --> 00:13:17,182 uh- they truly support uh- peace, and they say that, "We must not fight against war, through war. " 181 00:13:17,182 --> 00:13:22,014 They believe that dialogue is the best way. And we must try to find a solution for it! 182 00:13:22,014 --> 00:13:26,931 And in my opinion, the solution that would work, to fight all these wars, 183 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:31,097 and all these problems that people are facing, is only education. 184 00:13:31,097 --> 00:13:37,681 Because you can- you can stop war for a second, but you don't know- it will start again or not. 185 00:13:37,681 --> 00:13:41,833 We have seen first world war, we have seen second world war, and I think third world war is coming. 186 00:13:41,833 --> 00:13:49,764 But I believe that we must stop it now. I don't want to see a third world war in- in this world again. 187 00:13:49,764 --> 00:13:54,505 And the best way to fight against this war is education because- as we can see, 188 00:13:54,505 --> 00:13:59,545 the children are suffering from terrorism, they are suffering from child labor and child trafficking. 189 00:13:59,545 --> 00:14:02,682 They're also suffering from the culture norms and traditions. 190 00:14:02,682 --> 00:14:07,758 These are- there is not only one issue that we are facing through, there are many others as well. 191 00:14:07,758 --> 00:14:11,847 So I think, education is the best way. People will be thinking, 192 00:14:11,847 --> 00:14:16,680 "Does going to school, learning about chemistry and physics and maths, and that it?" 193 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:21,068 Going to school is not only learning about learning different subjects. It teaches you communication, 194 00:14:21,068 --> 00:14:27,002 it teaches you how to live a life, it teaches you about history, it teaches you about how science is working. 195 00:14:27,002 --> 00:14:32,710 And other than that, you learn about equality. Because students are provided the same benches, 196 00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:39,150 they sit equally. They- it shows us equality. It teaches students, how to-how to live with others together, 197 00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:43,914 how to accept each other's language, how to accept each other's traditions, and each other's religion. 198 00:14:43,914 --> 00:14:50,795 It also teaches us justice, it also teaches us respect. It- it teaches us how to live together. 199 00:14:50,795 --> 00:14:55,952 So that's why I support the- I support the idea of sending children to school, 200 00:14:55,952 --> 00:14:58,455 because it is the best way to fight terrorism. 201 00:14:58,455 --> 00:15:01,677 And I want people to support us in this cause, 202 00:15:01,677 --> 00:15:06,979 and through Malala foundation we want to work for education of girls in dev- uh, in the developing countries, 203 00:15:06,979 --> 00:15:10,413 especially in Syria now. They are suffering, they are homeless now. 204 00:15:10,413 --> 00:15:15,728 We want to help children in Afghanistan, because they have been suffering from terrorism for decades. 205 00:15:15,728 --> 00:15:19,897 We want to help the children of India as well, because they are victims of child labor. 206 00:15:19,897 --> 00:15:27,080 So I think issues and problems are enormous, but solution is one, and that is simple- that is education. 207 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,331 Audience Applauding 208 00:15:29,331 --> 00:15:35,079 J: I, uh...I, I, I am humbled, humbled to speak with you. 209 00:15:35,079 --> 00:15:39,050 Uh, I will say this. I don't know where you come from. 210 00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:40,614 Malala laughs 211 00:15:40,614 --> 00:15:43,481 J: But I am very glad you're here. Thank you for being here today. 212 00:15:43,481 --> 00:15:45,999 Audience Applauding/Cheering Loudly 213 00:15:45,999 --> 00:15:51,290 J: Wonderful. Please, get the book. Donate to the Malala fund by visiting www.malalafund.org 214 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:53,266 J: Malala Yousafzai 215 00:15:53,266 --> 00:15:59,674 Audience Applauding/Cheering Loudly 216 00:15:59,674 --> 00:16:06,550 No audio