1 00:00:04,285 --> 00:00:07,740 - In the 1980s, EPA designated a 200 mile stretch 2 00:00:07,740 --> 00:00:10,475 of the Hudson River as the nation's largest 3 00:00:10,475 --> 00:00:13,110 Superfund hazardous waste site. 4 00:00:13,110 --> 00:00:17,045 Superfund is the nation's environmental law that deals 5 00:00:17,045 --> 00:00:20,700 with the cleanup of toxic hazardous contamination 6 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:23,460 from historic pollution. 7 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:25,410 The Hudson River is one 8 00:00:25,410 --> 00:00:28,500 of the largest Superfund sites in the country, 9 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:32,315 and one of the most important because of the thousands 10 00:00:32,315 --> 00:00:35,400 and millions of people that are affected 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,300 by potential exposure to PCBs from fish in the Hudson River, 12 00:00:40,830 --> 00:00:43,500 PCBs are a highly toxic chemical. 13 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:46,620 They've been identified by EPA as a probable cause 14 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:48,300 of cancer in humans, 15 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:51,780 and they've also been linked to illnesses such 16 00:00:51,780 --> 00:00:54,900 as thyroid disease, immune disorders, 17 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:57,265 reproductive disorders, low IQ, and, 18 00:00:57,265 --> 00:00:59,310 and other adverse health effects on humans. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,300 General Electric dumped 1.3 million pounds 20 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:07,230 of PCBs into the Hudson River from 1947 21 00:01:07,230 --> 00:01:10,860 through the 1970s when PCBs were banned by Congress. 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,160 - The fishing from, from Troy all the way up 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,110 to here in Fort Edward. 24 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:22,740 The health department has, has regulated saying 25 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:24,750 that you cannot keep the fish. 26 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:26,370 You can catch 'em and you can release 'em, 27 00:01:26,370 --> 00:01:27,900 but you can't keep the fish, 28 00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:30,900 nor can you eat any of the fish that you have due 29 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:32,520 to the PCB contamination. 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,840 Right now. One of the objectives of the dredging is 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,210 to get those fish levels down to the point 32 00:01:39,210 --> 00:01:40,860 where you can start eating the fish again. 33 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:45,725 In fact, that really is the main source of risk exposure 34 00:01:45,725 --> 00:01:47,580 that we, we have on the project, 35 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:49,470 and that's what the project was designed to do, 36 00:01:49,470 --> 00:01:50,850 is reduce the levels in the fish. 37 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:55,560 - NRDC has been involved since the 1970s in working 38 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:56,970 towards this cleanup. 39 00:01:56,970 --> 00:01:58,020 It's now underway. 40 00:01:59,010 --> 00:02:03,630 We've used all the tools in our toolbox from litigation 41 00:02:03,630 --> 00:02:07,465 to citizen advocacy to hard science. 42 00:02:07,465 --> 00:02:10,170 - EPA oversees the general electric company 43 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:14,490 who is actually doing the, the dredging work in the river. 44 00:02:14,490 --> 00:02:18,360 So our role is to be there, inspect the work, make sure 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,270 that it's going according to the plants and specifications, 46 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:24,090 and that they're actually meeting the, the standards, 47 00:02:24,090 --> 00:02:26,040 engineering standards that were set for the project. 48 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:29,165 GEs role is to actually implement the, 49 00:02:29,165 --> 00:02:30,840 the work itself to do the project. 50 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,620 They designed it. We reviewed and approved the design, 51 00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:37,320 and they now have their contractors actually doing 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,400 the physical work in the field. 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,540 - The law in the US is polluter pays. 54 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:44,010 That means GE made a mess 55 00:02:44,010 --> 00:02:45,960 and they're responsible to clean it up. 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,410 But for decades, GE spent tens of billions 57 00:02:49,410 --> 00:02:54,410 of dollars on lawyers, lobbyists, scientists, pr people 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,170 to convince the public, seeking to convince the public 59 00:02:59,170 --> 00:03:01,840 that a cleanup would only make things worse. 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,460 - Gee tried to make the argument that, 61 00:03:03,460 --> 00:03:06,310 that you would get sufficient resus suspension to make it, 62 00:03:06,310 --> 00:03:10,270 to negate some of the, the positive aspects of the work. 63 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:13,450 But what we're finding is that we, we don't see that level 64 00:03:13,450 --> 00:03:15,100 of Resus suspension that becomes an issue. 65 00:03:15,970 --> 00:03:18,670 The second phase of the project, which is what we're in now, 66 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:22,390 contains a lot of changes in the approach that we're taking, 67 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:25,270 and we find the Resus suspension numbers are much lower than 68 00:03:25,270 --> 00:03:28,360 they were in the first phase, which was done in 2009. 69 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:31,330 - Initially, GE argued the PCBs weren't 70 00:03:31,330 --> 00:03:32,350 harmful to people at all. 71 00:03:33,220 --> 00:03:36,730 Then GE argued that the river was cleaning itself. 72 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,420 When the data clearly showed this wasn't true, 73 00:03:40,420 --> 00:03:41,650 GE shifted ground 74 00:03:41,650 --> 00:03:42,970 and argued that an attempt 75 00:03:42,970 --> 00:03:45,160 to clean up the river would only make things worse 76 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,810 by spreading around the contamination, 77 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,320 by bringing independent science to bear. 78 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,500 And RDC was able to refute 79 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:56,680 and show the errors of those assertions. 80 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,150 NRDC was able to support in an informed way, 81 00:04:01,150 --> 00:04:03,880 a strong comprehensive cleanup, 82 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,190 which ultimately the government has required in this 83 00:04:06,190 --> 00:04:07,270 case and is now underway. 84 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,415 - Phase one of the project was the first year 85 00:04:11,415 --> 00:04:15,070 of the project, and the purpose of that was to look at 86 00:04:15,070 --> 00:04:18,370 the design itself, see how the equipment is operating, 87 00:04:18,370 --> 00:04:20,470 are we getting the production that we needed? 88 00:04:20,470 --> 00:04:22,150 Are we meeting the engineering standards 89 00:04:22,150 --> 00:04:24,880 that was associated with the design? 90 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,630 And then after phase one, we had a peer review panel 91 00:04:28,630 --> 00:04:30,520 that was put together to take a look at the data we 92 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,660 collected so 93 00:04:31,660 --> 00:04:34,270 that we can make adjustments necessary for phase two. 94 00:04:34,270 --> 00:04:37,300 And phase two is the remainder of the entire project. 95 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:39,220 We expect that to take anywhere from five 96 00:04:39,220 --> 00:04:40,330 to seven years to complete. 97 00:04:52,210 --> 00:04:54,460 As far as the dredging, what we do is we identify 98 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:55,690 where the hotspots are, that's 99 00:04:55,690 --> 00:04:59,230 where the PCBs are the the most concentrated, 100 00:04:59,230 --> 00:05:02,290 and the dredging contractor is, is told where to do 101 00:05:02,290 --> 00:05:03,730 that and what depth. 102 00:05:03,730 --> 00:05:04,900 He then removes that. 103 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:07,210 We go back and we re-sample it 104 00:05:07,210 --> 00:05:08,830 and see if, if it is all gone. 105 00:05:08,830 --> 00:05:10,840 If it isn't, we go back one more time 106 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,180 and they're only allowed to do that twice. 107 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:15,880 And from there we backfill it if it's clean 108 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,645 or we put a cap, which basically just covers it 109 00:05:18,645 --> 00:05:19,690 and holds it in place so 110 00:05:19,690 --> 00:05:21,670 that it's not coming back into the environment, 111 00:05:26,170 --> 00:05:29,860 we will be dredging through the next five to seven seasons. 112 00:05:29,860 --> 00:05:33,910 And of course, the dredge season is coincident with the time 113 00:05:33,910 --> 00:05:37,095 that the Champlain canal is open since we need the Champlain 114 00:05:37,095 --> 00:05:40,090 canal as part of the work. 115 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:42,550 So that means that our, our year 116 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:46,090 that we can actually dredge goes from roughly the 1st of May 117 00:05:46,090 --> 00:05:47,620 till the end of October. 118 00:05:47,620 --> 00:05:51,340 So we're working 24 hours a day, six days a week in order 119 00:05:51,340 --> 00:05:54,520 to make up for time that we don't have access to the canal. 120 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:00,590 Thanks, Larry. How you doing? 121 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:11,585 - Boom. - That's unloading the barge 122 00:06:11,585 --> 00:06:13,725 and it'll either put it in a, 123 00:06:13,725 --> 00:06:16,790 a directly into a truck if it's dry enough 124 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:20,870 or put it through the, the size separation system. 125 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:25,670 The trauma system. What he's doing now is he's loading 126 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:27,080 up a hopper. 127 00:06:28,460 --> 00:06:30,805 Underneath that hopper is a wobbler system, 128 00:06:30,805 --> 00:06:33,830 and what that does is it processes the, 129 00:06:35,690 --> 00:06:37,430 the material and anything four inches 130 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:41,180 or larger is kicked out, and that's taken away separately. 131 00:06:41,180 --> 00:06:43,910 And the rest then goes up into the trauma. 132 00:06:43,910 --> 00:06:47,660 The trauma is the blue and yellow piece of equipment. 133 00:06:47,660 --> 00:06:49,490 You can see that rotating inside. 134 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:53,780 That's a, it's just a, a cylinder 135 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:56,150 that has five eighth inch diameter holes. 136 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:59,300 So anything smaller than five ace drops through it. 137 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:01,070 Anything larger than five ace goes 138 00:07:01,070 --> 00:07:02,570 to the conveyor that's behind it. 139 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:07,490 And all of that material goes out on the conveyors 140 00:07:07,490 --> 00:07:12,050 and is taken by, by truck up to the storage area 141 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:14,120 where it's then loaded onto rail carts. 142 00:07:15,170 --> 00:07:17,900 The sludge is then pumped up to the, up 143 00:07:17,900 --> 00:07:19,430 to the filter presses. 144 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:21,290 We have 12 filter presses 145 00:07:21,290 --> 00:07:25,280 and that squeezes the water out of the, the slurry 146 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,530 water goes to the treatment facility 147 00:07:27,530 --> 00:07:30,800 and the slurry gets staged for loading onto the rail. 148 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:37,460 Now, bucket he's using is a five yard bucket 149 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,360 with a level cut, so he can actually get right down 150 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,340 to the bottom of the barge and, 151 00:07:43,340 --> 00:07:45,380 and do a good, good cleanup on the barge. 152 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,860 Once, once we're done with the dredging 153 00:07:49,850 --> 00:07:53,960 the following season, we come back in, in the spring 154 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,660 and do habitat replanting. 155 00:07:56,660 --> 00:08:00,475 What we do is we actually replant a portion of the area 156 00:08:00,475 --> 00:08:04,190 that was dredged so that that becomes seed plants 157 00:08:04,190 --> 00:08:07,070 to expand that weed bed again. 158 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:09,080 That, that we removed during the dredging. 159 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,730 The reason we put the plants back is 160 00:08:10,730 --> 00:08:12,740 to reestablish the ecosystem 161 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:14,570 that was there before the dredging. 162 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:16,855 I mean, this is, this is the start of the food chain. 163 00:08:16,855 --> 00:08:20,210 The, the plants provide cover for the fish to spawn. 164 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:23,450 They provide food stock for the fish 165 00:08:23,450 --> 00:08:25,760 and other aquatic animals. 166 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,160 So it's, it's important to make sure that we get, 167 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,990 get the habitat reestablished 168 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:32,030 to give it a a boost, if you will. 169 00:08:32,030 --> 00:08:33,440 It will come back on its own, 170 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,820 but this way it comes back much quicker. 171 00:08:37,670 --> 00:08:38,780 - The start of phase two 172 00:08:38,780 --> 00:08:41,300 of the cleanup in 2011 marks the beginning 173 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:43,730 of the end of a long saga. 174 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:44,870 It brings us closer 175 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:48,650 to the day when the Hudson River will be restored, 176 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:51,860 when fish will be safe to eat, 177 00:08:51,860 --> 00:08:54,385 when communities along the river will be able 178 00:08:54,385 --> 00:08:58,800 to enjoy its bounty, we'll be able to enjoy recreation, 179 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,840 commerce in safety 180 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,750 and health without fear of 181 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:05,910 poison and pollution. 182 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:10,805 From the legacy of PCBs, there's still a lot 183 00:09:10,805 --> 00:09:13,320 of hard work left to get the job done. 184 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,440 So it's important to remember where we've been 185 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,960 and the challenges that still lie ahead. 186 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,330 Continued vigilance by EPA 187 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:24,570 and by the public will be crucial to ensure 188 00:09:24,570 --> 00:09:26,670 that General Electric completes the job 189 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:27,480 and completes it right.