1 00:00:18,209 --> 00:00:23,710 These two Nazi scientists worked at the Dachau Concentration Camp 2 00:00:23,729 --> 00:00:25,459 during World War II. 3 00:00:26,250 --> 00:00:29,250 They were conducting an experiment 4 00:00:29,292 --> 00:00:33,667 to see how long a human being could survive in freezing water. 5 00:00:35,542 --> 00:00:37,168 Like good scientists, 6 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:43,834 they took systematic measures including duration until death. 7 00:00:45,834 --> 00:00:49,876 Examples of human cruelty of this kind raise a big question. 8 00:00:50,501 --> 00:00:54,793 How is it possible to treat a person as a mere object? 9 00:00:56,918 --> 00:01:03,210 The traditional explanation for human cruelty is in terms of evil. 10 00:01:04,167 --> 00:01:09,376 I find the concept of evil unhelpful and unscientific. 11 00:01:09,918 --> 00:01:13,918 It implies that the person is possessed by some supernatural force. 12 00:01:14,709 --> 00:01:18,293 Even worse it's dangerously circular; 13 00:01:18,334 --> 00:01:22,293 if the definition of evil is the absence of good, 14 00:01:22,334 --> 00:01:24,208 then all we're really saying 15 00:01:24,209 --> 00:01:27,541 is he did something bad because he is not good. 16 00:01:27,542 --> 00:01:30,917 It hasn't really taken us any further forward. 17 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,251 In contrast the concept of empathy, 18 00:01:35,292 --> 00:01:38,666 I'm going to argue is scientifically helpful; 19 00:01:38,667 --> 00:01:41,792 you can measure it, you can study it. 20 00:01:42,375 --> 00:01:48,458 Empathy has two distinct components -- cognitive and affective. 21 00:01:49,667 --> 00:01:52,209 Cognitive empathy is the ability 22 00:01:52,250 --> 00:01:55,001 to imagine someone else's thoughts and feelings; 23 00:01:55,042 --> 00:01:57,668 putting yourself into someone else's shoes. 24 00:01:57,684 --> 00:01:59,384 It's the recognition part. 25 00:02:00,584 --> 00:02:05,751 Affective empathy is the drive to respond with an appropriate emotion 26 00:02:05,751 --> 00:02:08,252 to what someone else is thinking or feeling. 27 00:02:08,959 --> 00:02:12,959 I'm going to argue that low affective empathy 28 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,000 is a necessary factor to explain human cruelty. 29 00:02:18,209 --> 00:02:21,958 Empathy isn't all or none; it comes by degrees, 30 00:02:21,959 --> 00:02:25,001 and there a individual differences in it. 31 00:02:25,042 --> 00:02:28,751 So it gives rise to the empathy bell curve. 32 00:02:28,792 --> 00:02:31,875 Most of us are in the middle of this spectrum 33 00:02:31,921 --> 00:02:34,571 with average amounts of empathy. 34 00:02:34,584 --> 00:02:38,918 There are some people who have above average levels of empathy. 35 00:02:39,114 --> 00:02:40,494 But what are the factors 36 00:02:40,501 --> 00:02:44,501 that can lead an individual to have low empathy 37 00:02:45,125 --> 00:02:48,500 either temporarily or permanently? 38 00:02:48,542 --> 00:02:52,542 What are those social factors? What are those biological factors? 39 00:02:55,417 --> 00:02:59,251 One social factor is obedience to authority. 40 00:03:00,209 --> 00:03:04,750 The experiment by Stanley Milgram at Yale University showed 41 00:03:04,751 --> 00:03:08,874 that people are willing to administer electric shocks to someone 42 00:03:08,874 --> 00:03:10,334 to help them learn, 43 00:03:10,335 --> 00:03:13,584 if they're instructed to do so by an authority figure. 44 00:03:14,262 --> 00:03:16,035 This suggests that simply, 45 00:03:16,035 --> 00:03:20,334 following orders may be one factor that can erode our empathy. 46 00:03:22,209 --> 00:03:25,292 A second social factor is ideology. 47 00:03:26,542 --> 00:03:31,834 When the terrorists flew the planes into the World Trade Center on 9/11, 48 00:03:32,426 --> 00:03:34,006 Ww have to assume 49 00:03:34,026 --> 00:03:36,916 that they were in the grip of a strongly-held belief 50 00:03:36,918 --> 00:03:38,794 that they were doing the right thing. 51 00:03:40,876 --> 00:03:42,500 Of course, we don't know 52 00:03:42,501 --> 00:03:45,210 whether the terrorists who signed up for that action 53 00:03:45,233 --> 00:03:47,513 had low empathy to begin with, 54 00:03:48,210 --> 00:03:49,575 but it's possible 55 00:03:49,575 --> 00:03:52,859 that their ideological beliefs were another factor 56 00:03:52,859 --> 00:03:56,519 that could erode their empathy for their victims. 57 00:03:57,459 --> 00:04:01,960 A third social factor is in-group/out-group relations. 58 00:04:02,753 --> 00:04:07,463 In Rwanda, we saw one ethnic group used propaganda 59 00:04:07,493 --> 00:04:09,584 to stereotype the out-group; 60 00:04:09,616 --> 00:04:13,966 describing them as subhuman and as cockroaches. 61 00:04:14,784 --> 00:04:17,734 When we dehumanize a group as the enemy, 62 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:22,743 we have the potential to lose our empathy; 63 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,820 and we saw the catastrophic genocide 64 00:04:25,831 --> 00:04:27,141 that ensued. 65 00:04:29,317 --> 00:04:33,317 But none of these social factors can explain individuals like Ted Bundy. 66 00:04:34,706 --> 00:04:38,086 He started his adult career as a psychology student 67 00:04:38,114 --> 00:04:40,084 of the University of Washington 68 00:04:40,111 --> 00:04:43,021 where he volunteered on a telephone helpline 69 00:04:43,033 --> 00:04:46,553 and persuaded women to meet him. 70 00:04:46,569 --> 00:04:48,829 And over the successive years, 71 00:04:48,834 --> 00:04:54,084 he committed rape and murder of at least 30 women. 72 00:04:55,159 --> 00:04:58,369 We can assume that he had good cognitive empathy 73 00:04:58,398 --> 00:05:01,878 because he was able to deceive his victims, 74 00:05:02,384 --> 00:05:07,384 but that he lacked affective empathy - he just didn't care - 75 00:05:07,456 --> 00:05:10,456 and he lacked it in enduring ways. 76 00:05:12,203 --> 00:05:17,303 The evidence that psychopaths like Ted Bundy lack affective empathy 77 00:05:17,325 --> 00:05:20,203 comes from an experiment by James Blair 78 00:05:20,209 --> 00:05:22,793 that was conducted in Broadmoor Hospital. 79 00:05:22,829 --> 00:05:25,899 He showed psychopaths and a control group 80 00:05:25,928 --> 00:05:28,228 three different types of images, 81 00:05:28,248 --> 00:05:34,238 threatening images, neutral images, and images of people in distress. 82 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:37,240 What he found was that the psychopaths 83 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:41,435 only showed reduced physiological response 84 00:05:41,435 --> 00:05:44,445 when they saw the images of people in distress. 85 00:05:44,467 --> 00:05:48,467 So this suggests that they lacked affective empathy. 86 00:05:50,035 --> 00:05:54,755 People with autism have difficulties with cognitive empathy. 87 00:05:54,770 --> 00:05:57,880 They struggle to imagine other people's thoughts, 88 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:01,870 their motives, their intentions, and their feelings. 89 00:06:01,873 --> 00:06:05,553 But people with autism don't tend to hurt other people; 90 00:06:05,569 --> 00:06:08,059 instead, they are confused by other people 91 00:06:08,073 --> 00:06:12,833 and withdraw socially, preferring the more predictable world of objects. 92 00:06:13,845 --> 00:06:17,394 People with autism have intact affective empathy 93 00:06:17,394 --> 00:06:19,864 because when they hear that somebody is suffering 94 00:06:19,864 --> 00:06:21,769 it upsets them. 95 00:06:22,937 --> 00:06:25,097 This leads us to imagine 96 00:06:25,122 --> 00:06:29,712 that people with autism and psychopaths are mirror opposites. 97 00:06:30,198 --> 00:06:34,198 The psychopath has good cognitive empathy - that's how they can deceive - 98 00:06:34,967 --> 00:06:37,627 but they have reduced affective empathy. 99 00:06:37,726 --> 00:06:41,256 People with autism have intact affective empathy, 100 00:06:41,278 --> 00:06:45,278 but struggle with cognitive empathy for neurological reasons. 101 00:06:48,062 --> 00:06:50,462 Psychopaths don't come out of nowhere. 102 00:06:50,494 --> 00:06:52,084 Many of them have shown 103 00:06:52,124 --> 00:06:55,774 antisocial behavior and delinquency in their teens. 104 00:06:56,375 --> 00:07:01,126 John Bowlby at the Tavistock Clinic in London studied delinquents and found 105 00:07:01,142 --> 00:07:06,212 that many of them had experienced emotional neglect in early childhood. 106 00:07:07,248 --> 00:07:11,808 He argued that the absence of parental love in early childhood 107 00:07:11,816 --> 00:07:14,836 is another factor that can erode your empathy. 108 00:07:17,338 --> 00:07:20,448 But we know that early experience can't be the whole story 109 00:07:20,469 --> 00:07:23,579 because not everyone who has a bad childhood 110 00:07:23,595 --> 00:07:25,275 loses their empathy. 111 00:07:25,792 --> 00:07:31,001 Avshalom Caspi at the Institute of Psychiatry in London showed 112 00:07:31,032 --> 00:07:35,553 that if you've experienced severe maltreatment in childhood 113 00:07:36,017 --> 00:07:38,947 that increases your risk of delinquency. 114 00:07:39,542 --> 00:07:42,709 But your risk of deliquency goes up even more 115 00:07:42,742 --> 00:07:47,162 if you also a carrier of one version of the MAO-A gene 116 00:07:47,763 --> 00:07:49,263 shown here in red; 117 00:07:49,763 --> 00:07:52,463 so genes and environment interact. 118 00:07:54,441 --> 00:07:56,601 Another biological factor 119 00:07:56,628 --> 00:08:01,738 that is associated with empathy levels is the hormone testosterone. 120 00:08:02,665 --> 00:08:06,405 In the fetus, testosterone shapes brain development. 121 00:08:06,905 --> 00:08:08,654 We've measured testosterone 122 00:08:08,684 --> 00:08:11,815 in the amniotic fluid that surrounds the baby 123 00:08:11,815 --> 00:08:15,945 in women who are having amniocentesis during pregnancy. 124 00:08:17,074 --> 00:08:21,964 We then wait for the baby to be born, and we follow up the children. 125 00:08:22,868 --> 00:08:25,728 When the children were eight years old, 126 00:08:25,748 --> 00:08:28,418 we asked them which word best describes 127 00:08:28,448 --> 00:08:31,618 what the person in the photo is thinking or feeling. 128 00:08:32,188 --> 00:08:35,467 Here the correct answer is he is interested in something. 129 00:08:36,020 --> 00:08:41,191 What we found was that the higher the level of fetal testosterone, 130 00:08:41,207 --> 00:08:44,668 the more difficulties the child was having 131 00:08:45,124 --> 00:08:47,604 at this test of cognitive empathy. 132 00:08:48,446 --> 00:08:53,846 How much empathy we show is a function of the empathy circuit; 133 00:08:53,861 --> 00:08:56,421 a network of regions in the brain. 134 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:59,190 Here we can look at just two of them: 135 00:08:59,209 --> 00:09:04,220 in red, for left ventromedial prefrontal cortex, 136 00:09:04,667 --> 00:09:06,667 and in blue, the amygdala. 137 00:09:08,260 --> 00:09:10,940 This is Phineas Gage who suffered damage 138 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:14,644 to his left ventromedial prefrontal cortex 139 00:09:14,644 --> 00:09:20,271 after dynamite blasted a metal rod up behind his eye and through his brain. 140 00:09:21,028 --> 00:09:25,308 Before the accident, he was described as a polite, considerate individual. 141 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,190 After the accident, he was described as rude 142 00:09:29,210 --> 00:09:30,897 and no longer able to judge 143 00:09:30,907 --> 00:09:34,087 what was socially appropriate for different situations. 144 00:09:34,109 --> 00:09:36,479 He'd lost his cognitive empathy. 145 00:09:39,125 --> 00:09:43,528 Jean Decety at the University of Chicago used brain scanning 146 00:09:43,578 --> 00:09:45,859 - functional magnetic resonance imaging - 147 00:09:46,505 --> 00:09:49,075 to look at the teenage delinquent brain 148 00:09:49,099 --> 00:09:53,879 whilst they were watching films where somebody experiences pain 149 00:09:53,899 --> 00:09:59,250 such as when this piano player's fingers got crushed by the lid of the piano 150 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:01,436 falling down on his fingers. 151 00:10:01,471 --> 00:10:05,981 What he found was that teenagers with delinquency didn't show 152 00:10:06,011 --> 00:10:09,141 the typical levels of activity in the amygdala -- 153 00:10:09,152 --> 00:10:12,382 part of the empathy circuit in the brain. 154 00:10:12,411 --> 00:10:15,921 But let's not forget the positive side of empathy. 155 00:10:16,420 --> 00:10:19,140 Most of us have enough empathy, 156 00:10:19,155 --> 00:10:22,595 and some people have high levels of empathy. 157 00:10:23,547 --> 00:10:26,907 When these two men formed a relationship 158 00:10:26,938 --> 00:10:30,408 based on mutual respect and on empathy, 159 00:10:30,433 --> 00:10:33,723 it let to the end of apartheid in South Africa. 160 00:10:34,859 --> 00:10:38,499 Empathy is vital for a healthy democracy; 161 00:10:39,077 --> 00:10:41,797 it ensures that we listen to different perspectives, 162 00:10:42,446 --> 00:10:46,836 we hear other people's emotions, and we also feel them. 163 00:10:47,527 --> 00:10:51,527 Indeed without empathy, democracy would not be possible. 164 00:10:54,292 --> 00:10:56,842 I met this two women in Cambridge this week 165 00:10:56,865 --> 00:10:58,315 when they came to visit. 166 00:10:59,292 --> 00:11:03,292 On the left is Siham, and she is a Palestinian woman; 167 00:11:04,023 --> 00:11:08,183 her brother was shot and killed by an Israeli bullet. 168 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,501 On the right is Robi; she is an Israeli woman. 169 00:11:15,013 --> 00:11:18,303 Her son was killed by a Palestinian bullet. 170 00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:23,030 These two women have taken the courageous step 171 00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:26,694 of forming a relationship across the political divide. 172 00:11:27,529 --> 00:11:30,669 They haven't given in to the emotion of revenge 173 00:11:31,008 --> 00:11:34,078 which would simply perpetuate the cycle of violence. 174 00:11:34,434 --> 00:11:38,524 Instead, they've used their empathy to recognize that they both share 175 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:44,280 the same sorrow, the same awful pain of having lost a loved one. 176 00:11:46,788 --> 00:11:52,948 Empathy is our most valuable natural resource for conflict resolution. 177 00:11:54,167 --> 00:11:57,209 We could wait for our political leaders 178 00:11:57,237 --> 00:12:00,247 to use empathy - and that would be refreshing - 179 00:12:00,274 --> 00:12:03,536 but actually, we could all use our empathy. 180 00:12:03,542 --> 00:12:06,535 As Siham and Robi told me, 181 00:12:06,536 --> 00:12:10,226 "The conflict won't stop until we empathize." 182 00:12:10,265 --> 00:12:11,545 Thank you. 183 00:12:11,571 --> 00:12:13,301 (Applause)