WEBVTT 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:12.535 (water running) 00:00:15.561 --> 00:00:18.590 I soak all the wood. I actually clean it all. 00:00:19.490 --> 00:00:21.084 Just so it's as smooth 00:00:23.407 --> 00:00:25.653 and usable as possible, you know? 00:00:28.244 --> 00:00:30.401 It's got a little baby slug in it, see? 00:00:36.250 --> 00:00:40.563 I think I've always been a city girl with a nature brain. 00:00:42.040 --> 00:00:45.513 I've always loved animals, and plants, and insects. 00:00:47.084 --> 00:00:52.270 [Wangechi Mutu: Between the Earth and the Sky] 00:00:52.270 --> 00:00:54.733 (light violin music) 00:00:55.930 --> 00:00:59.140 Nature has entered my work, 00:00:59.140 --> 00:01:00.780 where I've been able to integrate 00:01:00.780 --> 00:01:03.843 my love and interest for how little organisms behave 00:01:03.843 --> 00:01:06.563 into these larger themes. 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.560 I want to make work that sits within nature, 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.560 sits under the sky, and the sun, and the rain, and the wind. 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:16.033 --All cleaned up. 00:01:16.656 --> 00:01:18.807 (violin music continues) 00:01:26.863 --> 00:01:31.042 [Wangechi Mutu Studio, Nairobi, Kenya] 00:01:44.919 --> 00:01:47.169 (clanking) 00:01:49.584 --> 00:01:51.640 (mechanical whirring) 00:01:57.014 --> 00:01:58.514 (clanking) 00:02:02.839 --> 00:02:06.560 I have a bird on top of the head of this sentinel. 00:02:08.090 --> 00:02:09.047 --Yeah. 00:02:09.047 --> 00:02:10.480 (man murmurs inaudibly) 00:02:10.480 --> 00:02:12.470 --I've put nails in, 00:02:12.470 --> 00:02:14.108 --but then I had to tape it because actually 00:02:14.108 --> 00:02:16.000 --some of them are pretty short. 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.920 --I'm wondering if you can epoxy these in, 00:02:18.920 --> 00:02:20.820 --and then what I'll do is I'll fill in. 00:02:21.760 --> 00:02:23.093 --This is actually fine. 00:02:24.152 --> 00:02:25.881 (mechanical whirring, drill like sound) 00:02:27.070 --> 00:02:30.008 I'm generally a multitasking being. 00:02:30.008 --> 00:02:32.100 That's how I've always done things. 00:02:32.100 --> 00:02:33.450 There's always been a little bit of this, 00:02:33.450 --> 00:02:34.630 a little bit of that, a little bit of this, 00:02:34.630 --> 00:02:37.379 everywhere there's something going on. 00:02:37.379 --> 00:02:39.242 (light piano music) 00:02:43.270 --> 00:02:45.430 When I'm sculpting or when I'm painting, 00:02:45.430 --> 00:02:47.393 there's always something that's damp. 00:02:53.060 --> 00:02:55.473 So drying is a big part of the work. 00:02:57.440 --> 00:02:59.590 I have to sort of time all of those things. 00:03:04.010 --> 00:03:05.480 Sometimes a three-dimensional piece 00:03:05.480 --> 00:03:07.110 will completely influence 00:03:07.110 --> 00:03:10.840 how I end up working on a two-dimensional piece. 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.653 There's a lot of osmosis and learning from my work. 00:03:17.933 --> 00:03:20.100 (tapping) 00:03:20.941 --> 00:03:22.836 (light piano music continues) 00:03:26.979 --> 00:03:29.479 (birds chirp) 00:03:33.850 --> 00:03:37.891 My earliest childhood memories are in this one particular 00:03:37.891 --> 00:03:41.330 area that we lived in called Woodley. 00:03:41.330 --> 00:03:42.840 Lived in a little bungalow. 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:44.270 So you have one floor, 00:03:44.270 --> 00:03:46.130 have a garden around. 00:03:46.130 --> 00:03:47.490 I remember playing in the garden. 00:03:47.490 --> 00:03:50.240 I remember the dry grass. 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.245 We did a lot of playing with our toys 00:03:53.245 --> 00:03:56.240 in sections of the garden that we weren't supposed to. 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:59.570 We got very dirty in the garden. 00:03:59.570 --> 00:04:02.740 It was a bit of a wild space. 00:04:02.740 --> 00:04:06.923 Those memories have made an impact on how I work. 00:04:08.387 --> 00:04:10.258 (birds chirping) 00:04:13.100 --> 00:04:17.120 I went to a Catholic school, and we were all girls. 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.510 I was surrounded by women, 00:04:19.510 --> 00:04:20.380 women teachers, 00:04:20.380 --> 00:04:22.560 women students, 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.310 the Virgin Mary, 00:04:24.310 --> 00:04:26.603 all kinds of feminine energy. 00:04:27.610 --> 00:04:30.709 And because I think of it as such a massively universal 00:04:30.709 --> 00:04:33.070 part of humanity, 00:04:33.070 --> 00:04:35.130 I'm able to keep pulling from it. 00:04:35.130 --> 00:04:38.008 It's an eternal source of inspiration for me. 00:04:38.008 --> 00:04:39.127 (light violin music) 00:04:39.127 --> 00:04:43.402 ["The NewOnes, will free Us" (2019), The Metropolitan Museum of Art] 00:04:46.140 --> 00:04:49.610 The way we worship the image of the woman 00:04:49.610 --> 00:04:54.010 but denigrate the actual human being of woman, 00:04:54.010 --> 00:04:55.900 that schism bothers me, 00:04:55.900 --> 00:04:58.200 and it's obviously something that has plagued us 00:04:58.200 --> 00:04:59.200 for a long, long time. 00:04:59.200 --> 00:05:01.233 So that's what I'm looking for. 00:05:02.346 --> 00:05:04.839 (violin music continues, and a harp plays too) 00:05:07.267 --> 00:05:10.000 ["Sentinels"] 00:05:11.930 --> 00:05:15.050 The "Sentinels" are this regal figure, 00:05:15.050 --> 00:05:17.800 who is standing, 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.088 representing a female 00:05:21.088 --> 00:05:23.255 divine, feminine form. 00:05:25.940 --> 00:05:29.290 I want to make sure that she is absolutely stable, 00:05:29.290 --> 00:05:30.563 that she is able to stand. 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:33.360 I realized they look like these soldiers, 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:37.310 like they were guarding me, or us-- 00:05:37.310 --> 00:05:38.770 guarding language, 00:05:38.770 --> 00:05:41.193 guarding the earth that they're made from. 00:05:42.580 --> 00:05:44.113 So I call them "Sentinels." 00:05:50.890 --> 00:05:53.000 Growing up in Kenya, during the seventies and eighties, 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.170 you're learning British geography, European history, 00:05:57.170 --> 00:06:00.120 we had not touched on African literature. 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.450 We hadn't even looked at our own histories 00:06:02.450 --> 00:06:05.520 and our own heritage and culture, 00:06:05.520 --> 00:06:08.093 because a lot of Kenyans are so Christianized. 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:11.990 There isn't one particular way of seeing things. 00:06:11.990 --> 00:06:13.170 And in fact, 00:06:13.170 --> 00:06:16.520 when there is a singular voice or singular story, 00:06:16.520 --> 00:06:20.070 it tends to be domineering, 00:06:20.070 --> 00:06:21.840 problematic, and often fictional. 00:06:21.840 --> 00:06:22.673 You know, 00:06:22.673 --> 00:06:24.320 there's no way that can be one way to tell 00:06:26.940 --> 00:06:27.793 the whole story. 00:06:31.100 --> 00:06:32.970 I wanted to be able to say 00:06:32.970 --> 00:06:34.610 "These are the places I come from," 00:06:34.610 --> 00:06:36.310 "these are the people we come from." 00:06:37.810 --> 00:06:40.620 So I decided to apply to art school. 00:06:40.620 --> 00:06:42.270 I had to aim for the moon, 00:06:42.270 --> 00:06:44.779 so I applied to schools in New York. 00:06:44.779 --> 00:06:46.383 (quick tempo music) 00:06:49.750 --> 00:06:54.550 Collage, first and foremost, was the most accessible 00:06:54.550 --> 00:06:57.373 and impactful way for me to work. 00:06:58.570 --> 00:07:01.510 All the tools and supplies that I was afforded 00:07:01.510 --> 00:07:05.750 by being in a big fancy university were gone. 00:07:05.750 --> 00:07:09.160 I was deeply invested in becoming a serious artist, 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:10.360 but I didn't have the means, 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:12.963 so I started painting with watercolors. 00:07:15.890 --> 00:07:18.340 Working with really, really wet and fluid materials, 00:07:18.340 --> 00:07:19.943 there's always a surprise. 00:07:21.430 --> 00:07:22.859 (quick tempo music continues) 00:07:27.390 --> 00:07:31.030 But I also realized that there was this added tension 00:07:31.030 --> 00:07:32.723 that I was looking for. 00:07:33.580 --> 00:07:36.390 I would mix things from a wildlife magazine, 00:07:36.390 --> 00:07:41.270 or some fashion magazine, or vintage illustration. 00:07:41.270 --> 00:07:43.840 I would mix that with my watercolors, 00:07:43.840 --> 00:07:47.620 and I loved the fact that I had grafted and brought them together, 00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:50.373 and now you had to read it for what it was. 00:07:54.987 --> 00:07:57.487 (piano music) 00:08:06.250 --> 00:08:08.380 The collages developed and grew larger. 00:08:08.380 --> 00:08:09.560 And I think at that point, 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:12.170 I was really thinking about the history of photography, 00:08:12.170 --> 00:08:16.220 and how photography and colonization grew in impact 00:08:16.220 --> 00:08:18.127 in a very similar way-- 00:08:18.127 --> 00:08:20.820 and how we photographed the "other." 00:08:20.820 --> 00:08:25.793 The "other" was photographed, and packaged, and consumed. 00:08:27.300 --> 00:08:30.620 Seeing yourself represented that way 00:08:30.620 --> 00:08:34.120 impacted you as a colonized "other," 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:38.390 and how your image essentially became who you were. 00:08:40.673 --> 00:08:42.376 (violin music) 00:08:47.970 --> 00:08:50.360 The currency that photography has afforded me 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:51.553 is extremely important. 00:08:53.350 --> 00:08:55.580 I don't think it's something I've been able to articulate, 00:08:55.580 --> 00:08:59.551 but it's always paintings that have photography 00:08:59.551 --> 00:09:01.654 dancing behind them. 00:09:01.654 --> 00:09:03.270 (violin music continues) 00:09:20.130 --> 00:09:22.241 Combining humans and animals, 00:09:22.241 --> 00:09:24.343 it's as old as the human mind. 00:09:25.579 --> 00:09:28.174 (different strings music) 00:09:41.899 --> 00:09:43.480 "Crocodylus" was this hybrid 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.513 between a woman and a powerful animal. 00:09:47.433 --> 00:09:51.529 [Gladstone Gallery, New York City] 00:09:54.540 --> 00:09:57.900 We've always admired certain creatures for their elegance 00:09:57.900 --> 00:09:59.883 and their enormous strength. 00:10:03.170 --> 00:10:05.450 One of the first things that we ever did 00:10:05.450 --> 00:10:07.300 is look at some creature and go, "Oh my gosh," 00:10:07.300 --> 00:10:09.670 "I wish that had that speed, or that power," 00:10:09.670 --> 00:10:11.753 "or the stealth, or the courage." 00:10:12.218 --> 00:10:13.932 (different string music continues) 00:10:17.163 --> 00:10:21.283 "MamaRay" is a woman who is a veil, 00:10:22.190 --> 00:10:23.420 an ocean herself, 00:10:23.420 --> 00:10:24.690 a shield, 00:10:24.690 --> 00:10:25.723 and a ray. 00:10:26.830 --> 00:10:29.866 I was very interested in the marks 00:10:29.866 --> 00:10:32.353 that draw us to look at something. 00:10:33.230 --> 00:10:36.690 Texture produces shadow, and tone, and light, and rhythm, 00:10:36.690 --> 00:10:39.369 and provokes us to look longer at something. 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:00.313 All my foundational teaching and work was in New York. 00:11:01.160 --> 00:11:04.190 Once I began exhibiting, my base was there 00:11:04.190 --> 00:11:05.540 so it made sense to be there. 00:11:05.540 --> 00:11:07.230 But then for the longest time, 00:11:07.230 --> 00:11:09.210 I wasn't able to travel back and forth 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:11.123 between Nairobi and New York. 00:11:12.130 --> 00:11:13.040 And for those years, 00:11:13.040 --> 00:11:16.323 I struggled with my perception of home. 00:11:17.556 --> 00:11:19.578 (soft music) 00:11:20.250 --> 00:11:21.760 I realized, "Okay," 00:11:21.760 --> 00:11:24.600 "this is the secret to a certain way" 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.620 "that I've been trying to work and think," 00:11:28.620 --> 00:11:30.570 which is to be able to compare 00:11:33.050 --> 00:11:34.850 and look at myself 00:11:34.850 --> 00:11:36.830 from one place 00:11:36.830 --> 00:11:38.810 where this as a backdrop from the other, 00:11:38.810 --> 00:11:39.990 with that as a backdrop, 00:11:39.990 --> 00:11:43.201 and then combine that understanding. 00:11:43.201 --> 00:11:45.257 (soft music continues) 00:11:45.257 --> 00:11:48.007 (birds chirping) 00:11:55.023 --> 00:11:57.940 (machine whirring) 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:19.950 The soil has become important for me in this Nairobi studio, 00:12:19.950 --> 00:12:22.783 because I actually identify with the soil. 00:12:27.180 --> 00:12:29.805 It's the soil that I remember from my childhood-- 00:12:30.244 --> 00:12:31.610 the color of the soil, 00:12:31.610 --> 00:12:33.130 the feeling of the soil, the texture, 00:12:33.130 --> 00:12:35.500 the way it behaves when it's dry, when it's wet, 00:12:35.500 --> 00:12:36.383 when it rains. 00:12:38.430 --> 00:12:41.310 In New York, I don't feel that same sense of identification 00:12:41.310 --> 00:12:42.390 with the soil there. 00:12:42.390 --> 00:12:43.470 I don't trust the soil; 00:12:43.470 --> 00:12:46.380 I always think that there's other things going on 00:12:46.380 --> 00:12:48.890 in the soil that I haven't put in 00:12:48.890 --> 00:12:51.460 and weren't put in there in the first place by nature. 00:12:51.460 --> 00:12:54.513 So there's this distance between me and the ground. 00:12:56.170 --> 00:13:00.770 Whereas here, I tend to immediately want to capture 00:13:00.770 --> 00:13:03.470 the essence of the soil, the malleability, the color, 00:13:03.470 --> 00:13:06.610 the crispiness, the granular aspects. 00:13:06.610 --> 00:13:10.180 All of those things are important for me in the work. 00:13:18.163 --> 00:13:20.610 I truly believe that there's something about 00:13:20.610 --> 00:13:25.610 taking these bits and pieces of trees and animals 00:13:25.820 --> 00:13:28.640 and completely anonymous, 00:13:28.640 --> 00:13:32.100 but extremely identifiable items, 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:35.940 and placing them somewhere that draws their energy. 00:13:35.940 --> 00:13:37.130 Whatever they were coming from, 00:13:37.130 --> 00:13:37.963 whatever they did, 00:13:37.963 --> 00:13:42.510 whatever molten lava they came out of a million years ago, 00:13:42.510 --> 00:13:44.213 that is now in my work. 00:13:45.160 --> 00:13:49.533 And that little piece of energy is magnified. 00:13:50.430 --> 00:13:52.336 (soft music continues) 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.910 I'm trying to just push up the volume on how incredibly 00:13:59.910 --> 00:14:04.430 important every single plant and animal and human is 00:14:04.430 --> 00:14:07.640 in keeping us all alive and afloat. 00:14:07.640 --> 00:14:10.190 That's how I look at things when I'm in the studio. 00:14:11.850 --> 00:14:14.720 When I feel like I'm really having fun and playing, 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:15.880 there's fear in it. 00:14:15.880 --> 00:14:18.360 The suspicion of things being found, 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:19.280 all of that, 00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:20.910 when that enters into the work, 00:14:20.910 --> 00:14:23.443 that's when I'm in my absolute mode. 00:14:23.443 --> 00:14:24.760 (music builds)