[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.47,0:00:03.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[music] Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.65,0:00:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Speaker) \NSo, I mean, it's the Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.14,0:00:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,old adage you are what you eat. Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.14,0:00:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I eat, like, sugary \Nor caffeinated foods Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.97,0:00:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I often find myself, like, \Nunable to focus. Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.39,0:00:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, eating healthier foods\Nhas had a significant impact on Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.23,0:00:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how well I can focus, as well as\Nhow quick I can think. Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.95,0:00:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Host)\NThat's Angela Guo. Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.98,0:00:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's a 17-year old senior at\NAdlai Stevenson High School Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.31,0:00:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Lincolnshire, Illinois. Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.57,0:00:34.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that adage she just cited,\N"You are what you eat," Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.40,0:00:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's been around since the 1800's. Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.93,0:00:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People have known for a long time\Njust how much food affects us. Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.82,0:00:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's not just in terms of\Nlong-term health, Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.97,0:00:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also short-term mood. Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.66,0:00:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Angela)\NFood really helps us maintain Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.53,0:00:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a state clarity. And, so, \Neating healthier foods Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.94,0:00:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has had a significant impact Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.69,0:01:04.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how well I can focus, as well as\Nhow quick I can think. Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.01,0:01:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Host) \NShe may only be in high school, Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.90,0:01:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Angela has Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.79,0:01:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already made the crucial connection \Nbetween what she puts in her mouth Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.49,0:01:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how quickly that affects her brain. Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.51,0:01:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She even believes that\Nsimple understanding Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.08,0:01:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave her a real advantage\Nwhen she competed Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.26,0:01:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the National Science Olympiad\Ntournament earlier this year. Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.01,0:01:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Announcer) \NFirst place, national champions of the Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.40,0:01:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2023 Science Olympiad National Tournament, Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.85,0:01:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adlai Stevenson High School of Illinois! \NLet's go! [audience cheering] Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.66,0:01:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Host)\NNow, at this tournament earlier this year, Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.95,0:01:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angela and her teammates went up\Nagainst thousands of students Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.96,0:01:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from around the country. Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.18,0:01:42.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were competing in \Nevents, highlighting Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.39,0:01:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chemistry and earth science and biology. Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.87,0:01:48.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But here's the thing:\Nthe entire time on Angela's team Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.24,0:01:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you really didn't see much sugar around. Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.43,0:01:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead, there were lots\Nof healthy snacks. Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.31,0:01:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Angela)\NSo, even at school, I'd bring my own lunch Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.17,0:02:00.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's just that aspect of\Nknowing what goes into your meals Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.91,0:02:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like really important. It kind of\Ngives you peace of mind. Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.09,0:02:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Host) \NThe team did really well, and now as they Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.02,0:02:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prepare for more tournaments, Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.48,0:02:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angela, who's now a team captain, says,\N"Sure, they do study hard, Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.19,0:02:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what they eat, how they eat,\Nthat's also top of mind. Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.31,0:02:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AG: When we do travel for Science Olympiad\Nour coaches always makes sure that Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.63,0:02:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our, like, bus is well stocked with Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.57,0:02:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fruits and water. Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.85,0:02:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: So Angela, seems pretty convinced\Nthat food helps her focus Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.25,0:02:33.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and perform well academically. Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.87,0:02:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, that makes sense\Nbut the question today, Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.41,0:02:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What is the empirical evidence\Nto support that and how does it work? Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.32,0:02:44.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How exactly does food impact the brain? Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.97,0:02:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how do we really know when our brain\Nis well nourished?" Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.33,0:02:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uma Naidoo: Sugar is not good Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our brain Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I also want people to understand\Nwe need sugar for our bodies Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our brain, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's where you get the sugar\Nthat's important. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Look, a lot of people worry about\Nhow food influences the way we look, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much weight we may gain\N-- I get that -- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the likelihood we're going to be\Nhigh risk for diseases, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like diabetes and hypertension. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even though it is harder to measure,\Nfood is also deeply connected Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to how we feel in the moment\Nand how well the brain functions. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even as you listen to this podcast,\Nyour experience, right now, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is likely affected\Nby what you ate earlier today. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in this episode, I'm going to find out\Nwhat's the best fuel for the brain, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what food we should avoid\Nand what it really means Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have a well-nourished brain. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN's\NChief Medical Correspondent Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is Chasing Life. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I love hearing stories\Nlike Angela's. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're so personal. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's someone who's paying attention\Nto her body and then she's figuring out Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what makes her feel good and what it takes\Nto do the activities she loves. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's being really intentional\Nwith her nutrition Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that may save her from having\Nhealth problems later in life Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, it could help optimize\Nher function now. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, food is an endless source\Nof fascination. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way that I think about it is this: Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Food is one of the most significant ways\Nwe allow our outside world to influence Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and communicate with our inside world,\Nthe world inside of our body and our mind. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is an awesome task. Food does that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I thought today we would start\Nwith the basics. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that all food items have calories\Nand calories are by definition energy Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, as you just heard, not all calories\Nare created equal. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some have more nutrients\Nand do more to promote Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overall health and well-being than others. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is especially true\Nwhen it comes to the brain. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the challenge again:\NThat's hard to measure. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no brain scan or blood test \Nthat indicates that a particular food Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,promotes brain health. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how do we really know? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you really know what works for you? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To find out, I return to someone\Nwhose work I really respect Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both in the clinic and in the kitchen,\Nsomeone who knows a lot Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this really intricate connection\Nbetween food and brain health. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uma Naidoo: If you want, you know, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your brain to really be optimized, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lean into the foods you like,\Nbut the healthy versions of that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: That's Dr Uma Naidoo;\Nshe's a nutritional psychiatrist. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such a cool field.\NShe's at Harvard Medical School. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What she does is that she works\Nwith patients to improve Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their mental health with the help\Nof medication and food. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's also a professional chef.\NShe's the author of the books Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This is Your Brain on Food" and\N"Calm Your Mind with Food." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That one's going to be released\Nlater this year. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should tell you, this is actually\NDr Naidoo's second time on the show. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We spoke a few years ago about\Nthe broader concept of food as medicine, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was so fascinated by\Nthe conversation, so affected by it, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked her to come back and discuss\Nhow food impacts brain health specifically Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and brain function. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have long said that I think food Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be medicine, I also think \Njust philosophically, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we consciously decide what signals\Nwe're going to give to the inside Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our body through food. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the discussion has primarily\Nfocused on has been calories and energy, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are you going overweight or not. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Correct\NSG: So what are those foods that are both Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good for the brain and can actually\Nget to the brain? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: What I think is good, and I think\Nwhat is helpful for people, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially in the U.S., is that most\Npeople are consuming Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the standard American diet Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, as you know, is called sad\Nfor a reason. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So any time that we can add those lipid\Ngrains and those actual whole foods Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,onto our plate, you know, and think\Nabout it that way and step away Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit from those processed \Nfast foods, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the healthier we are going to become\Nas a country and I think that that is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because processed, ultra-processed foods\Nare engineered, as you know, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to trick our brain. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we eat more, we can't stop ourselves. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Yeah, maybe I'm being audacious here\Nin doing a podcast about how to achieve Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a most optimally nourished brain. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you correctly point out, we have\Na lot of work to do as a country to just Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stop doing the bad things, maybe even\Nbefore we can, uh, really, really focus Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the good things. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the idea that food itself can be\Nmedicine and that can be quantified, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe even to the point, for someone like\Nyou, prescribed. Are we to the point, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with what we know, data-wise that food\Ncan be thought of prescriptive, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like we think of medicine? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So I can't yet say to you, you need\Nto eat ten blueberries over this amount Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of time to improve your mood. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what we do know from pretty large\Npopulation-based studies that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you were consuming extra-dark natural\Nchocolate, that it improved depression Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by 70% in over 12,000 participants. \NWe know and it was in the candy bars Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was extra dark natural chocolate, \Nwhich contains serotonin, magnesium, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, some fiber. So, we're not at a point\Nwhere I can say this number Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of blueberries in order to improve \Nyour mood, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we are definitely emerging and\Ngrowing in the scientific evidence Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to say you can construct\Na nutritional psychiatry plate Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for your mood. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can lean into those leafy green\Nvegetable, 3-5 cups a day. Um, things like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arugula, spinach all contain folate. \NA low folate is associated with low mood. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we can give people guidance around it\Nand really have them understanding that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,food is moving in that direction. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Now before we hear more food \Nrecommendations, I want to note something Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's, I think, really important here.\Nthe term "brain food." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That gets thrown around a lot. But, true\Nbrain food meaning any food that actually Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impacts the function of the brain has to \Ndo something really important. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's got to get past the blood-brain \Nbarrier. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I don't want to get to wonky or\Ntechnical, but I think it's important Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you to understand this point.\NThink of the blood-brain barrier as sort Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a body guard for the brain. \NThis barrier prevents the entry of toxins Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pathogens and other molecules\Nthat could be harmful to the brain. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What it looks like is a system of blood \Nvessels around the brain and the central Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nervous system that sort of keep tight\Ncontrol over which molecules and which Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nutrients are allowed to get in. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: We know this, for example\Na lot of serotonin that's manufactured Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the gut and some in the brain\Nbut the more peripheral serotonin Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't cross over the blood brain\Nbarrier, so why not look at the foods Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are the precursors to the \Nneurotransmitters, that then Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interact with the gut microbes,\NI'm fascinated by the gut microbes. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The impact of the gut microbes and \Nthen they are able to cross over Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the blood brain barrier and then form\Nthe substances that we need Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the brain. So I'm thinking about\Nthings we need like serotonin Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and dopamine. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me hit pause here to \Nexplain a couple of things about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the gut. You probably know this,\Nbut the gut contains trillions Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of micro organisms. Bacteria,\Nviruses, fungi. Collectively Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are referred to as the gut\Nmicrobiome. Now, these micro organisms Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or microbes aren't just hanging out,\Nthey play an important role in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our health and they are constantly\Ninteracting with each other and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rest of our body. While a few of\Nthose bacteria or pathogens are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially harmful, many are helpful.\NFor example, what they will do is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will break down food, they will\Nthen interact with our immune system, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will synthesize vitamins and amino\Nacids. And then they communicate with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other parts of the body. And that brings\Nme to the second thing about the gut. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is sometimes called the second brain,\Nand I think that is a good title. And Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's because it uses many of the same\Nchemicals and cells as the brain to do Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its job and to communicate.\NIn fact, there is an extraordinary amount Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of cross talk between the gut and the \Nbrain. This makes the gut very Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sensitive to emotions. Anger, fear,\Nanxiety. Those things can cause Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problems in the gut, vise versa.\NWhen the gut feels bad, it can Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cause anxiety and other emotional\Nissues. Understanding that might Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give new meaning to phrases like,\Nhaving "butterflies in your stomach" Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you're nervous, or a quote, unquote\N"gut feeling" about a person or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a situation. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is why Doctor Niudu's work is so \Nimportant and intriguing. She says, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It is possible for food to impact how\Nwell our brain functions and how we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feel mentally." For example, some ultra\Nprocessed foods have been linked to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disrupting the gut microbiome in a way\Nthat increases the risk for depression. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In contrast, some whole foods such as\Nbananas help trigger the production Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of important chemicals in the gut\Nsuch as the molecule, serotonin. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, remember this point.\NMuch of the serotonin made Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the gut cannot cross the blood\Nbrain barrier and that is why Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doctor Nidu says we need to\Nfocus on the precursors to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serotonin, which can then cross\Nmore easily and be assembled Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the brain. Think of it like this,\Nthere are certain foods, for example, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ones that are rich in the amino acid\Ntryptophan, that when eaten interact Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the gut microbiome. You\Nwith me? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they become then the precursor\Nor building blocks for serotonin. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then these building blocks cross\Ninto the brain, get converted to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serotonin, and exert their influence. \NThe reason that I'm repeating this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many times is because it\Nis so important. What does Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this all mean? Eating foods like, \Nsalmon or pineapple, ones that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are loaded with tryptophan, could\Nhelp you feel happier and calmer. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a better definition of brain\Nfood. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Another fascinating but odd\Nresearch that is coming through is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several microbiome companies testing\Nthe microbiome. So, they are looking Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more deeply into what's in the \Nmicrobiome and what you may need Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to eat versus what I might need to eat\Nbecause our microbiome is so Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of unique. Whether you take that\Nsubstance as a supplement, or you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take it as a guidance around food, it\Ncan really help us more finely tune Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that we can be eating. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: What level of evidence to you rely\Non to make your recommendations Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to food? How do you\Ncollect that data and that evidence? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So, I try to keep current with \Nwhatever the new research is. For Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, there was a fascinating study\Ndone recently and all of these years Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been encouraging my patients to\Neat foods that are rich in vitamin A. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this particular study show that \Nactually vitamin A rich foods are not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that helpful for mood or for your\Nbrain health. Another interesting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,study. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: What are those foods? Not to cut you\Noff, but what kinds of foods are we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So, you know, eggs, milk, fish oils\Nbeef liver, tomatoes, red bell pepper. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, does it mean that those foods\Nare foods I will tell my patients not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to eat? Absolutely not. Uh, like, the\Nnew research about serotonin. It's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more that I would have emphasized\Neating vitamin A rich foods along with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that nutritional psychiatry plate. \NAnd I most importantly feel that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's been my secret sources has\Nbeen integrating the actual literature Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the research and what I do \Nclinically with seeing patients and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being able to monitor them you know\Nand see how they do. Because I think, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please know that I come at this with \Ngreat humility. I don't feel that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because whatever I've studied that\Nyou know, that I have the way to make Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone feel better. But I have \Ncertainly seen my patients improve. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: You know, when I was growing up,\Num, maybe you heard this as well Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you were a child, but there\Nwere certain foods that were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"brain foods." Fish for example\Nwas sort of considered a brain food. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Nuts, almonds.\NSG: Nuts, you know. And my Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mom would always, you know,\N"If you eat this, you'll be smart." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, that was always the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,encouragement. But what of it,\Nthough? Are there foods that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can reliably help our brains? \NWhat are they and why? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So, one of the groups I'll start with,\Nbecause people are pretty familiar Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this, that the foods rich in\Nomega-3. So, things like fatty Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fish. There's a mnemonic for the fish that\Nare top of the list, "SMASH". Salmon, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mackerel, Anchovies, Sardines, and\NHerring. Um, because they contain Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forms of uh EPAJHA that are actually\Nhelpful um for the brain and will Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually make a difference. And they \Nhave anti Primatene and antioxidant Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,properties. Then, you know people who \Ndon't consume seafood can rely on the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plant based sources like chia seeds, \Nflax seeds, almonds. Having a vegan Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supplement or an algal oil supplement\Nmade from sea algae is something that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can do to improve your brain \Nperformance if you feel you're not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting enough nutrition from food.\NSo that's one very big group. Another Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group of foods that I think people\Ntend to just think of only as a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supplement, but is actually available\Nin our everyday foods, are prebiotics Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and probiotics. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Ok, I want to pause here again \Nto offer a crash course in pre and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probiotics. Terms you've probably heard\Nabout. Probiotics are "live bacteria" that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may offer health benefits when \Nconsumed in adequate numbers. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can find them in things like \Nfermented foods. Yogurt, kimchee. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can buy them in pill form. Prebiotics \Non the other hand, are food for your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,microbiome. These are the organisms\Nthat are living in your gut and prebiotic Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,foods are usually higher in certain\Ntypes of fiber and include items like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fruit and veggies and whole grains. \NNow, as Doctor Nidu said, it is hard Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prescribe these foods to an exact\Ntiming or an exact dosage, but at the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time, we have been making a lot of \Nprogress there as well. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So when we think about food groups, \NOmega 3, those probiotics and prebiotics, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those fermented foods, all can actually be\Nhelpful in reducing things like anxiety Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and depression. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: We'll be right back. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: And now back to Chasing Life and my \Nconversation with nutritional psychiatrist Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. Uma Naidoo. Now that I have a better\Nsense of which, and how, certain foods Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might impact my mood, what I wanted to\Nknow is how food might affect my Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,general brain health. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So just, you know, having a dairy and\Nnon-dairy plain yogurt with live active Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cultures does help your gut. Probiotics\Nwere actually tested in the study and the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use of probiotics were compared to a\Ndose of an SSRI, and the probiotics showed Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a better effect. So, not to single out\Njust one study, it has been shown again, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think that's compelling information,\Nthat a person who is consuming something Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like yogurt, or say a fermented food is\Nadding these probiotics and live cultures Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to their gut, could in fact be helping\Nthe gut microbes, helping the serotonin Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,formation there. We don't know the exact\Nmechanisms of everything, but we can tell Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the improvements in symptoms. For\Nexample, if I am assessing someone in my Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clinic, I have to go by their report,\Nwhich may or may not be 100% accurate Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes, but that happens with all of\Nus, but also to check the improvement of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their mood. Improvement in anxiety. That\Nis one way to assess how they're doing and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if these foods are making a difference. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: So, you're comparing yogurt to an\Nantidepressant. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: That's right. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: I mean, that, I know it's almost\Ncomical to reflect on, but I mean look, we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take too many pills, ya know? And these\Npills have side-effects, and so the idea Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that yogurt could, and I don't want to\Noverstate this, Dr. Naidoo, so you tell Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me. What do they find when they compare\Nyogurt to an antidepressant in a study? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So, they found that individuals who \Nconsumed yogurt along with, say, a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor \Nhad a better response and improvement in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mood. So, it offered us a guidance in this\Narea to basically think that, you know, we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can use these inventions around the gut\Nmicrobiome, and the use of things like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probiotics. Which, you know, I think most\Nof my patients would rather reach for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a yogurt than, you know, an\Nantidepressant. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: If I was to describe to my three\Nteenage girls a well nourished brain, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, I think we can describe a healthy\Nbody, right? We can say, "You don't have Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plaques in your blood vessels, you have\Ngood blood pressure, heart rate.." all Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that sort of stuff. How, Dr. Naidoo,\Nwould you describe a well nourished brain? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you get in return? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: For one thing, you focus, your energy,\Nyour ability to get through your day, not Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having that afternoon slump where you're\Nnot quite sure but you're sluggish and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need another cup of coffee or candy\Nbar or something more. If you're athletic, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're engaged in sports or other\Nactivities, if you're having fun with your Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,friends and going out and doing things, \Nyou're going to have the energy to do Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. Plus, you're going to be able to \Nactually manage your schoolwork Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because your brain being optimized, eating\Nin a healthy way will mean you can manage Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your schedule, you can multitask, you can\Nengage in other activities and still get Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through school okay and do well. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: 80% of people over the age of 60 put \N"fear of loss of memory" as one of their Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,top concerns, fear of dementia of some\Nsort. Are there foods that can help stave Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,off diseases like dementia? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Yes. Certainly, there's some guidance\Naround what food to eat and how to eat it, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so foods that will help cognition, we\Nactually go back to those Omega 3's. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a group that's featured very\Nfrequently. Olive oil is also one that we Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lean into. The herbs and spices that\Nshowed up doing well for cognition, and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for thinking, and for memory are turmeric \Nwith a pinch of black pepper, which makes Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it much more bioavailable. Cinnamon, \Nsaffron, rosemary, ginger, sage. Then Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some guidances around coffee was thought,\Nif you keep your caffeine consumption and \N Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your coffee consumption under 400mg a day\Nwas thought to be healthy, but for me, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is some guidance, while I know that\Nthose foods have been identified as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,healthy, it's also part of an overall\Nplate, right? It's not just eating the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuts or eating the olive oils, it's\Nputting that together in a meal that's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still tasty that makes a very big \Ndifference to balancing that out for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: I'm very interested in trying to stay\Nas mentally sharp as possible, as long as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possible. My life, I'm in my early 50's\Nnow, I mean. You've talked about the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specific food groups and things that are \Nprobably going to be the things that I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should gravitate toward, but could you\Njust, like, what's an ideal breakfast, an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideal lunch, and an ideal dinner? Should I\Nbe having all three meals, should I Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intermittently fast? Snacks? How would\Nyou put it together? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Right, so, with intermittent fasting\Nor with fasting in general, for my Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,patients, we usually really see what their\Nbody intelligence is. What I mean by that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is how they respond to food. Do they wake\Nup hungry? Do they need to take medication Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the morning that require them to eat?\NSome people naturally get up and they're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not hungry, and then we lean more into\Nintuitive eating, lean into what your body Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pattern is. I like people to have snacks\Nbecause I'd rather they have some healthy Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuts or a little bit of berries that will\Nnurture them through. Great breakfasts, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like a chia pudding rich in\Nprotein, fiber, easy to make, has Omega Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3's in it, and can be prepared ahead.\NThings like if you consume eggs with lots Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of veggies of veggies in them, or a\Nvegetarian version of that would be a tofu Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scramble, again lean into the spices,\Nyour fresh herbs, because that's a great Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way to go. I'm a fan of avocado toast, I \Nlove sourdough bread, because it has a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fermented starter, so the natural process\Nof it is it has a slightly lower sugar Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,content. I slice tomato on it. The\Nlycopene from tomato are super healthy Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the brain and it actually turns out \Nthat much of the lycopene is from the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,skin. So, you know, slice your tomatoes\Nand leave the skin on. For lunch, I like Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to lean into a really big salad and then\Nput my favorite proteins with that. So, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lentils, legumes, and some tofu or other \Nthings which flavor it up, and make an Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting dressing that will make that \Nenjoyable for you. Nuts and seeds are Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another great way to lean into it. Then, \None of my other favorite afternoon snacks, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's funny because I learned that\Nchocolate and citrus, like clementines or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oranges, pair well from a flavor profile\Nin culinary school, but I recently, over Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the last few years, discovered there's \Nactual science behind it. Extra dark Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chocolate is the highest source of plant-\Nbased iron. Cool reason to eat dark Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chocolate. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Look, I'm never going to eat dark\Nchocolate the same way again! I will Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always have it with a little citrus. I\Nlove little tips like that, that's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fantastic. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Exactly. Then, in the evening is\Nwhen I'll usually end up having a bigger Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meal. Like, I'll do a cauliflower steak,\Nbut I'll use the spices from tikka Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,masala. So, you know, someone else in my \Nfamily may have the chicken version, but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll have the cauliflower version. I can\Ndo it air fried or grilled, but I always Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,add in veggies around that, so a salad.\NI find that to be satiating, I know it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helping my metabolism, but it's a green.\NSo the green beans, or the brussel sprouts Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whatever it is, I add spices to them so\Nthat they're more flavorful. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: So, I didn't hear any meat? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So, I was born into a vegetarian \Nfamily, so I'm vegetarian. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Should I be a vegetarian? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: (Laughs) No, I think people should eat\Nwhat they enjoy eating. I just think they Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should eat healthy versions. I happen to \Nbe in a family where everyone else eats Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meat, so I think that meat has a place on\Nthat diet, and I feel like the B vitamins Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from meat are something that as a\Nvegetarian, I supplement. I think there is Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also a place for plant-based eaters. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: What about carbs? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: I think that carbs are important. \NThey're really important for our brain, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're really important for our body, but\Nit's where we obtain our carbs. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: A lot of messaging seems to indicate\Nthat they're toxic because of the glycemic Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,index, the sugar, these types of things, \Nthe calories. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Right. So, all of those, there's truth\Nto many of those factors, but I think it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the messaging has also got to show people\Nthat you need carbs for your body and for Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your brain to function. It's where you\Nobtain your carbs; if you're eating a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sugary donut with a coffee laced with \Nhighly processed cream and eight sugars, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's very different from a avocado toast\Non sourdough bread, maybe with some smoked Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,salmon or a tofu scramble with tons of\Nspinach and vegetables in it. A totally Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different product. They break down\Ndifferently in your body. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Yeah, the healthy carbs vs. the\Nhealthy proteins vs. the healthy fats, you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, these big categories of food. We \Nknow that myelin coats the nerves and it's Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of like the coating on a wire. A wire\Ndoesn't conduct as well unless it has the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coating on it. Myelin is sort of like that\Ncoating on nerves, and that's made up Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,primarily of fat, and there's been people\Nthat I have talked to that have said you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really need to focus on eating those fats\Nto get that myelin. I would put that at Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he top of my list in terms of brain\Nfoods. Maybe not the healthiest Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cardiovascular, although again, these are\Ngood fats, not the bad trans fats. If you Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at healthy proteins, healthy fats,\Nhealthy carbs, how to you sort of think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it with regard to impact on the \Nbrain? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So I think that balance is really\Nimportant. I ask people to lean into all Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the different vegetables, and I'm not \Nleading with potatoes and sweet potatoes. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm leading with cruciferous vegetables\Nand leafy greens, and legumes, lentils, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and beans. Then you want to think of your \Nolive oil, your avocado, your salmon, and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your other healthy fats. You want to think\Nabout, what I like to say, your "clean" Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,source of protein, and all I mean by that\Nis have, you know, stir-fry tofu in a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,healthy way, or air fry something instead \Nof deep fried fish, for example. The fish Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,itself may be healthy, but the method is\Nnot. Now, once in a while, of course, but Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as your everyday meal. Then, I don't\Nforget fruit. So, some berries, you know, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a couple servings of fruit is super\Nimportant to get those natural sugars into Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your body rather than reaching for the \Ncandy bar that we know is not the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,healthiest choice. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: So what about sugar? And, let me\Npreface it by saying this; I did a piece Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for 60 Minutes years ago called "The Toxic\NTruth", and we thought long and hard about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what to title this, because I didn't want\Nit to be unfairly or unnecessarily Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alarmist. But, when I talked to some of\Nthe nutritionists when we were Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interviewing them, they said this is an\Nappropriate title. The way we humans Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consume sugar is toxic. We consume too\Nmuch, our livers don't know what to do Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with it, it hits our bodies like a tsunami\Nwave, and churns out these low-density Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lipoproteins, the bad kind of\Ncholesterol, which I thought was really Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting. The brain, when it's exposed\Nto too much sugar, the receptors will Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually start to shut down. So, you could\Nbe in a situation, as they outlined it to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me, where you're stuffing the body and \Nstarving the brain essentially at the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same time, and that's because you're\Neating too much sugar. We know it's a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problem, but how bad is sugar for our\Nbrain? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: So, sugar is a problem, but I also\Nwant people to understand we need sugar Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or our bodies and our brains, so it's\Nwhere you get the sugar that's important. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Metabolic health, you know, with the\Nrising in type 2 diabetes, insulin Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resistance in this country, the fact that\Nwe have common overweight and obesity in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the country, there's a reason. I do think\Nthere's so much sugar in our everyday Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,foods, including our savory foods, like\Nour ketchup, pasta sauces, salad Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dressings. French fries at fast food \Nrestaurants are engineered to contain Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sugar. You don't taste it, but they are\Nreally engineered to tap into our Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cravings. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: That sounds kind of sinister when you\Nput it like that. I realize that this Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't opioids we're talking about, but\Nthe idea of tapping into our cravings.. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: The research has shown that foods,\Nultra processed and processed, have a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant amount of brain science\Nbehind how they tap into cravings. I think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, the more that people should\Nunderstand the amount of sugar in our Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,food. So, I teach all my patients that 4\Ngrams of sugar is 1 teaspoon, because our Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,food labels are in grams and we cook and \Nbake all our U.S. cookbooks in pounds and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ounces. So, if a person goes to a yogurt,\Nand it's 6oz or 4oz, it could have 24g of Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sugar in it. You'd think, "Oh, that's not\Nbad." When actually, you wouldn't put that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number of teaspoons into your plain\Nyogurt. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: So, if you see 4g of sugar on the food\Nlabel, imagine you're seeing a full Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teaspoon of sugar in it. You see 12g, 3 \Nteaspoons. So, it's a good visual. Let me Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask you real quick, coffee/caffeine is \Nsomething that seems to come on and off Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the favored list. Where do you land on\Nthat, when it comes to the brain? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: I like coffee, and I think that\Ncoffee has a lot of health benefits in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. It's actually rich in plant\Npolyphenols. The caffeine, my patients Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with anxiety can be sensitive to, so it \Ndepends on what their tolerance is. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interestingly, studies of ADHD in adults\Nshow that coffee can help focus, so it's a Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain amount of coffee, not too much,\Nso my patients who are struggling with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ADHD or some issues around focus, I like\Nto encourage them, if they can tolerate Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coffee and they don't become jittery or\Nuncomfortable. You know, have it early in Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the day, don't go more than 2-3 cups, \Nhave them be small cups. Also, clean up Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the coffee, meaning, you know, have it the\Nway that you'd like, but if you're putting Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1/2 cup of processed cream and 8 sugars,\Nyou're not helping your brain. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Can we manage anxiety with food? This\Nis the topic of your new book coming out Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just in time for the holidays, right? Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: It is. My new book is "Calm Your Mind\NWith Food" because during the pandemic, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what I saw. People really\Nstruggling at all ages, all demographics, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with anxiety and we know that even coming\Nout of Covid, that numbers are increased. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I feel that if we looked at an\Nintegrated approach to really using Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anxiety more as a strength and using food \Nto harness how we can feel better, I think Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it'll help a lot of us. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: I would like to imagine a world where\Nwe just wouldn't have to take many of the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,medications that we take. I mean, I'm a\Ndoctor, you're a doctor, there's a role, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we spend $4 trillion on health care,\Nand an increasingly large amount of that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is on prescription drugs. Food is the only\Nsignal we give the inside of our body from Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the outside world on a daily basis and it\Ncan be therapeutic. It can make us feel Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better, and I just really, really love\Nthe work that you do, Dr. Naidoo. I really Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,admire it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UN: Thank you so much. Thank you for\Nhaving me back, it's always great to talk Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to you. You always have fascinating\Nquestions, I love it. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: We talked for a long time, Dr. Naidoo\Nand I, and she goes into even more depth Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this connection between diet and\Nanxiety in her new book, which is coming Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out in December. As I've told her, it's\Nan idea that I find really fascinating. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes sense that food affects our\Nbodies. It also affects our brains, and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it does so quickly, so it makes total\Nsense that it would affect our mental Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,health as well. Food is more than just \Ncalories; it's a signal. It's a message. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It affects more than your weight and \Nwhether you have a flat stomach or not. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Food can be a medicine. It can help stave\Noff disease, manage our moods, help us Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think more clearly. So, chew on that the\Nnext time you want to feel smarter, or Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calmer. Next time on Chasing Life, we have\Na very special episode for you. We're Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be talking about the frightened\Nbrain. What happens when we get scared, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why do some people like feeling that\Nway? Who better to answer those questions Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the king of horror himself: Stephen \NKing. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stephen King: Everything is out to get\Nyou. You see, that's the dark side of the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imagination. But, the good side of it is\Nthat you're able to take reasonable Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,precautions and watch out for either \NCoronavirus, or Jason in the Friday the Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,13th movies. They both go together. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SG: Thanks for listening. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chasing life is a production of CNN Audio.\NOur podcast is produced by Eryn Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mathewson, Madeleine Thompson, David Rind,\Nand Grace Walker. Our senior producer and Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show runner is Felicia Patinkin. Andrea\NKane is our medical writer, and Tommy Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Barbarian is our engineer. Dan Dzula is\Nour technical director, and the executive Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,producer of CNN audio is Steve Lickteig. \NSpecial thanks to Ben Tinker, Amanda Sealy Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Nadia Kounang of CNN Health.