1 00:00:06,460 --> 00:00:08,080 [JES FAN] Once you've seen them, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,160 they're lodged in your mind. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,820 Especially thinking of them as one of the first few representations 4 00:00:15,820 --> 00:00:19,080 of the Chinese person as a subject. 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,259 There's a medical missionary called Peter Parker 6 00:00:28,259 --> 00:00:32,940 who traveled to Canton to perform the surgical incision of tumors 7 00:00:32,940 --> 00:00:36,410 in the early nineteenth century. 8 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:40,520 Lam Qua was a really celebrated painter at the time. 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,960 He was most famous for painting portraitures. 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,880 But I suppose that Lam Qua was also celebrated 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,730 by how accurate he can paint his sitters. 12 00:00:52,730 --> 00:00:54,920 He's known for this one quote saying, 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,560 "What eye no see, no can do." 14 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:07,560 There's something about Chinese-ness here. 15 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,600 Thinking, like, how did Chinese-ness become a word? 16 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:19,220 What are the technologies that's involved in creating this idea of "the other"? 17 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:27,000 Why does the shoulder need to be bare? 18 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,060 Like, the braid of hair is placed. 19 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:36,360 It's just so seductive, and I was wondering if that kind of seduction 20 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,259 has to come in a way that you're able to see 21 00:01:39,260 --> 00:01:43,340 the sitter as a fellow human. 22 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:54,020 ["Jes Fan: Infectious Beauty"] 23 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,680 I think it made me really try to understand the idea of beauty and seduction. 24 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,640 I think my work has a lot to do with seduction. 25 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,520 Nowadays, beauty is really flat. 26 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,760 There's only one emotion you can emote on social media, 27 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,760 which is the double tap, right? [LAUGHS] 28 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,460 That there's only a heart shape. 29 00:02:20,460 --> 00:02:22,800 When something is beautiful, it's just a flat heart. 30 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:34,940 But then, when you think of beauty in the past, 31 00:02:34,940 --> 00:02:36,840 it's beauty and the sublime. 32 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,700 It has to come with this suspension-- 33 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:41,960 this fear. 34 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,400 It also meant, in the past, 35 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:54,000 to describe something that was so beautiful 36 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,200 that it almost makes you want to puke. 37 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:56,800 [LAUGHS] 38 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,019 Originally, I grew up in Hong Kong. 39 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:10,160 It's very oppressive, being queer there, 40 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:16,140 just not being able to see yourself reflected in society, 41 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:18,700 nor even within just 42 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,670 being able to see happy, queer adults-- 43 00:03:22,670 --> 00:03:24,480 or queer adults in general. 44 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,660 It's kind of not being able to see a future extension of yourself. 45 00:03:35,260 --> 00:03:37,920 I had a really rough few years growing up, 46 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,820 trying to find who I can be. 47 00:03:53,580 --> 00:03:55,480 [AUDIO FROM NEWS BROADCAST] Breaking news from Hong Kong, 48 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,800 where the government invoked emergency powers overnight, 49 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,800 this concludes a ban on masks during public demonstrations. 50 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Face masks have become a precious commodity during the pandemic. 51 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,600 That was the case in Hong Kong a few months ago, 52 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,400 but supplies have bounced back. 53 00:04:14,780 --> 00:04:17,160 [JES FAN] I've been thinking a lot about, 54 00:04:17,820 --> 00:04:20,200 since Hong Kong's 55 00:04:22,180 --> 00:04:26,740 protests are cauterized by the virus, 56 00:04:29,860 --> 00:04:32,920 the changing of different masks, 57 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,740 from the cartridges to the bacterial; 58 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,500 but they signify such different social movement. 59 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,580 There's something about that covering 60 00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:48,840 and needing to achieve more and more so, 61 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,160 that's the next step of evolution, 62 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,100 becoming more and more autonomous 63 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:58,120 and not being able to shed your microsphere to others. 64 00:05:03,780 --> 00:05:06,760 I was thinking about the prosthetic face mask, 65 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,180 to completely seal you off 66 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:11,520 and you can be the perfect individual. 67 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,420 You're like your own atmosphere. 68 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,980 [JULIE WOLF] So my understanding of the piece 69 00:05:22,980 --> 00:05:25,990 is that you make it so that it's a glass shape of something. 70 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:29,840 And then, you add the melanin to the piece, 71 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:31,860 and then fill it with silicon afterwards, correct? 72 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:32,860 [FAN] Yeah. 73 00:05:32,860 --> 00:05:35,460 [WOLF] What we want to make is melanin. 74 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,220 It's the final physical form that we're going to make. 75 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:40,060 This is called L-DOPA. 76 00:05:40,930 --> 00:05:44,600 In this case, L-DOPA is a really unstable molecule. 77 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,910 If you expose it to light 78 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:49,130 or ambient temperature, 79 00:05:49,130 --> 00:05:52,020 it will start to do something called autopolymerizing. 80 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:53,970 It's going to start to make a polymer, 81 00:05:53,970 --> 00:05:55,970 which is a repeated subunit, 82 00:05:55,970 --> 00:05:58,040 which is going to be related to that melanin. 83 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,120 So what we're going to do is to make the conditions 84 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,400 as unstable for L-DOPA as possible, 85 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,780 so that we can bypass the biological process 86 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:11,000 and just get right to the melanin. 87 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,480 So it's not as dark, 88 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:19,520 but you can see that there's the flakes in there. 89 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,340 [FAN] So crazy that they're warm. 90 00:06:21,340 --> 00:06:22,340 [WOLF] Yeah. 91 00:06:22,340 --> 00:06:25,240 [FAN] It would be great to have them... 92 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,460 something that you can identify or trigger, 93 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,190 and sort of hope that is that. 94 00:06:31,190 --> 00:06:32,920 Because the plates you gave me 95 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,880 with the E. coli, 96 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,660 they look exactly like molds. 97 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:40,460 So let's hope that these will grow happily 98 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,320 and into more slurry-like, you know? 99 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:10,699 A lot of what I'm trying to do with 100 00:07:10,699 --> 00:07:12,879 what we consider as gendered materials, 101 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,440 or racialized materials, 102 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,560 they're just really, really absurd. 103 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:24,560 It's like a cooking show. 104 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,800 I have semen, 105 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,860 blood, 106 00:07:27,260 --> 00:07:28,200 melanin, 107 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,540 and pee. 108 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,700 [LAUGHS] 109 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,600 So at the time I was thinking a lot about how race, 110 00:07:35,610 --> 00:07:36,979 especially in the U.S., 111 00:07:36,979 --> 00:07:38,960 is seen as infectious. 112 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,380 Think about China and coronavirus. 113 00:07:41,729 --> 00:07:44,000 Think about SARS and being in Hong Kong. 114 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,700 And think about Jim Crow era, not sharing bodies of water. 115 00:07:48,660 --> 00:07:51,360 That idea of it being infected. 116 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,600 These days in Asia, the beauty is smooth, 117 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,080 has no corners, does not repulse. 118 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,590 There's something about... 119 00:08:06,590 --> 00:08:09,629 doing this is subverting that balance, 120 00:08:09,629 --> 00:08:12,540 it's showing the labor to acquire that smoothness. 121 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:15,820 And by showing it, it looks like these infectious rings. 122 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:22,420 But then, also the materials that's carried in these bulbous forms 123 00:08:22,430 --> 00:08:25,250 are actually semen that's decaying. 124 00:08:25,250 --> 00:08:27,860 I find that very funny. 125 00:08:27,860 --> 00:08:30,900 [LAUGHS] 126 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,260 It's very much about having forms fitting into each other 127 00:08:39,260 --> 00:08:43,620 and somehow evoking a sense of this uncanniness, 128 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:47,740 but simultaneously so erotic that you can't stop. 129 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:50,200 But to be attracted to it, 130 00:08:51,380 --> 00:08:53,160 that eroticness 131 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:55,200 seduces you. 132 00:08:58,460 --> 00:09:00,019 It's beauty in the gloss, 133 00:09:00,020 --> 00:09:03,010 and the possibility to see your own reflection in it. 134 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,960 At the same time, 135 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,580 you're actually staring at something that repulses you, 136 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:11,260 that actually is considered infectious 137 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:12,520 or unclean. 138 00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:26,740 My therapist says that I'm so familiar with oppression 139 00:09:26,740 --> 00:09:30,930 that danger and risk and oppression makes me feel at home. 140 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:34,660 So I slave myself away in the studio. 141 00:09:34,660 --> 00:09:37,690 Or, like, I deprive myself of pleasure 142 00:09:37,690 --> 00:09:40,690 because I'm not oppressed as a queer being here. 143 00:09:40,690 --> 00:09:41,680 [LAUGHS] 144 00:09:43,860 --> 00:09:46,840 So I oppress myself now. [LAUGHS] 145 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:52,000 Because I can't go back if I fail.