1 00:00:01,230 --> 00:00:02,389 A few years ago, 2 00:00:02,413 --> 00:00:04,190 an American defense consultant I know 3 00:00:04,214 --> 00:00:06,587 told me about a trip he took to Uzbekistan. 4 00:00:06,897 --> 00:00:09,325 His role there was to help sell technology 5 00:00:09,349 --> 00:00:13,016 that the Uzbek government could use to spy on its own citizens. 6 00:00:13,491 --> 00:00:15,889 He eventually shared with me the marketing material 7 00:00:15,913 --> 00:00:18,032 he's presented to the Uzbek government. 8 00:00:18,056 --> 00:00:20,603 One glossy brochure featured technology 9 00:00:20,627 --> 00:00:23,082 that could not just intercept phone calls, 10 00:00:23,106 --> 00:00:24,689 but identify the caller, 11 00:00:24,713 --> 00:00:27,164 regardless of what phone number they were using, 12 00:00:27,188 --> 00:00:29,283 based on their unique voice print, 13 00:00:29,307 --> 00:00:32,577 and then identify their exact geographic location. 14 00:00:32,926 --> 00:00:36,085 This is a guys who had been involved with the arms trade for years. 15 00:00:36,109 --> 00:00:39,617 He wasn't some Hollywood-type gun runner doing backroom deals. 16 00:00:39,641 --> 00:00:42,617 He was just a guy that worked with legitimate Western companies 17 00:00:42,641 --> 00:00:44,586 to help sell their weapons abroad. 18 00:00:44,610 --> 00:00:47,499 But he wasn't bothered by marketing this sort of technology. 19 00:00:47,523 --> 00:00:50,285 For him, it was just the next step in the arms trade. 20 00:00:50,309 --> 00:00:53,253 And it was even easier than, say, selling weapons to Iraq 21 00:00:53,277 --> 00:00:55,491 because it didn't require an export license 22 00:00:55,515 --> 00:00:56,926 from the US State Department, 23 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:58,998 the way most arms sales would. 24 00:00:59,022 --> 00:01:01,133 It turns out that these tools of surveillance 25 00:01:01,157 --> 00:01:03,244 are almost completely unregulated 26 00:01:03,268 --> 00:01:06,442 because as of today, they're not defined as weapons. 27 00:01:06,466 --> 00:01:09,378 But they should be and we need to regulate them that way. 28 00:01:09,688 --> 00:01:11,895 I'm a journalist who spent the last two decades 29 00:01:11,919 --> 00:01:14,292 looking at how the military and intelligence world 30 00:01:14,316 --> 00:01:16,942 spurs the development of new science and technology. 31 00:01:16,966 --> 00:01:19,025 I've tracked the emergence of new weapons 32 00:01:19,049 --> 00:01:20,498 and looked to see what happens 33 00:01:20,522 --> 00:01:23,164 when companies start to market these weapons abroad. 34 00:01:23,188 --> 00:01:25,593 But what is a weapon in the information age? 35 00:01:25,617 --> 00:01:27,549 We know that armed drones are weapons, 36 00:01:27,573 --> 00:01:29,537 missiles and bombs are weapons, 37 00:01:29,561 --> 00:01:31,657 but the State Department actually classifies 38 00:01:31,681 --> 00:01:34,529 broad categories of technologies as weapons. 39 00:01:34,553 --> 00:01:36,754 So for example, a scientist going abroad 40 00:01:36,778 --> 00:01:38,887 on oceanographic research vessel, 41 00:01:38,911 --> 00:01:41,268 they want to take the latest night vision goggles. 42 00:01:41,292 --> 00:01:44,585 That, according to the State Department is potentially a weapon. 43 00:01:44,609 --> 00:01:45,775 Why? 44 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:49,038 Well because though night vision goggles are used today by scientists 45 00:01:49,062 --> 00:01:50,459 and hunters around the world, 46 00:01:50,483 --> 00:01:53,347 it was a capability first developed for the military. 47 00:01:53,371 --> 00:01:54,807 And yet, tools of surveillance 48 00:01:54,831 --> 00:01:58,246 that an authoritarian regime could use to spy on its own citizens, 49 00:01:58,270 --> 00:02:00,079 on dissidents, on journalists, 50 00:02:00,103 --> 00:02:03,190 that according to the US government today is not a weapon. 51 00:02:03,587 --> 00:02:05,317 And yet, these tools of surveillance 52 00:02:05,341 --> 00:02:09,245 are part of a growing secretive multi-billion-dollar industry. 53 00:02:09,848 --> 00:02:12,753 The genesis of this spy bizarre goes back some 18 years, 54 00:02:12,777 --> 00:02:14,792 to a Hilton hotel in northern Virginia, 55 00:02:14,816 --> 00:02:18,413 just a few miles away from the US Central Intelligence Agency. 56 00:02:18,721 --> 00:02:21,079 A few dozen people, mostly dark-suited men, 57 00:02:21,103 --> 00:02:23,190 gathered there in the spring of 2002 58 00:02:23,214 --> 00:02:26,324 for a conference with the unassuming name of ISS World. 59 00:02:26,627 --> 00:02:30,405 You know, at first glance, this conference probably looked like dozens of events 60 00:02:30,429 --> 00:02:33,067 that used to take place around the Washington DC area. 61 00:02:33,091 --> 00:02:34,781 But this event was unique. 62 00:02:34,805 --> 00:02:37,749 ISS stands for Intelligence Support Systems 63 00:02:37,773 --> 00:02:40,099 and the people who were there were from companies 64 00:02:40,123 --> 00:02:43,513 that built technologies to spy on private communications. 65 00:02:43,537 --> 00:02:46,535 In other words, these were sort of wire-tappers for hire. 66 00:02:46,871 --> 00:02:49,903 And the reason they were there was that less than a year earlier 67 00:02:49,927 --> 00:02:52,439 the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington 68 00:02:52,463 --> 00:02:55,323 had spurred the Congress to press through legislation 69 00:02:55,347 --> 00:02:57,027 known as the Patriot Act. 70 00:02:57,347 --> 00:02:59,506 This gave the government broad new authorities 71 00:02:59,530 --> 00:03:01,263 to monitor communications. 72 00:03:01,768 --> 00:03:04,117 E-mails, internet activity, phone calls, 73 00:03:04,141 --> 00:03:06,251 even financial transactions. 74 00:03:06,275 --> 00:03:09,149 This created an instant demand for data. 75 00:03:09,173 --> 00:03:11,784 And in the true American entrepreneurial spirit, 76 00:03:11,808 --> 00:03:14,559 an industry rose up to help collect this data. 77 00:03:15,004 --> 00:03:16,208 But back in 2002, 78 00:03:16,232 --> 00:03:18,266 this was still a pretty modest affair. 79 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:20,512 Only about 10 percent of the world's population 80 00:03:20,536 --> 00:03:22,464 was even online using the internet. 81 00:03:22,488 --> 00:03:26,741 So most of what was being collected were simple e-mails and phone calls 82 00:03:26,765 --> 00:03:29,018 over land lines and cell phones. 83 00:03:29,042 --> 00:03:30,392 But over the next few years, 84 00:03:30,416 --> 00:03:33,367 the way that we communicate began to change rapidly. 85 00:03:33,391 --> 00:03:35,783 There was the introduction of Skype, Facebook, 86 00:03:35,807 --> 00:03:37,966 and then crucially the iPhone, 87 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:40,783 and within a few years, billions of us were walking around 88 00:03:40,807 --> 00:03:42,529 with little computers in our pockets 89 00:03:42,553 --> 00:03:45,243 that do everything from monitor our exercise habits, 90 00:03:45,267 --> 00:03:47,655 to help us find romantic partners. 91 00:03:48,022 --> 00:03:51,171 And suddenly, you didn't necessarily need the advanced capability 92 00:03:51,195 --> 00:03:52,675 of the National Security Agency 93 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:56,042 or big telecoms, to monitor everyone's communication. 94 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:57,247 In some cases, 95 00:03:57,271 --> 00:04:00,514 all you needed was access to that device in their pockets. 96 00:04:00,538 --> 00:04:03,926 And that gave birth to an entirely new type of industry. 97 00:04:03,950 --> 00:04:07,331 You know, not many companies can build missiles or aircraft. 98 00:04:07,355 --> 00:04:10,605 But it doesn't take a lot of capital to create software 99 00:04:10,629 --> 00:04:13,013 that can hack into someone's smart phone. 100 00:04:13,037 --> 00:04:15,101 Computer hackers have been around for years, 101 00:04:15,125 --> 00:04:18,125 but now their skills could be used to build technologies 102 00:04:18,149 --> 00:04:20,259 that were in high demand by law enforcement 103 00:04:20,283 --> 00:04:22,016 and intelligence agencies. 104 00:04:22,363 --> 00:04:25,363 And soon, dozens and even hundreds of companies 105 00:04:25,387 --> 00:04:28,045 were getting into this wire-tapper's market. 106 00:04:28,069 --> 00:04:30,180 And that little conference in Virginia, 107 00:04:30,204 --> 00:04:33,948 it grew and soon became known as the wire-tapper's ball. 108 00:04:34,250 --> 00:04:36,734 Well, not much was known about the wire-tapper's ball 109 00:04:36,758 --> 00:04:37,908 in those early years, 110 00:04:37,932 --> 00:04:40,139 because the conferences were closed to everyone 111 00:04:40,163 --> 00:04:42,829 except the companies and their government customers. 112 00:04:42,853 --> 00:04:45,330 But journalists did begin to see and hear reports 113 00:04:45,354 --> 00:04:48,386 of companies getting into this private spy market. 114 00:04:48,410 --> 00:04:51,033 Spooky entrepreneurs going around the world, 115 00:04:51,057 --> 00:04:52,235 doing deals, 116 00:04:52,259 --> 00:04:54,211 often with authoritarian regimes. 117 00:04:54,235 --> 00:04:57,831 And it was from the start a really loosely regulated market. 118 00:04:58,188 --> 00:05:00,164 Some countries do require permission 119 00:05:00,188 --> 00:05:02,227 to sell these technologies abroad, 120 00:05:02,251 --> 00:05:06,267 but rarely with the type of scrutiny that is given to traditional arms. 121 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,029 So for example, the Italian-based company Hacking Team 122 00:05:10,053 --> 00:05:12,852 reportedly sold its technology to authoritarian regimes 123 00:05:12,876 --> 00:05:14,556 in Egypt and Kazakhstan. 124 00:05:15,018 --> 00:05:18,815 The Israeli-based company NSO Group has reportedly sold its technology 125 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,625 to the regime in Saudi Arabia, 126 00:05:20,649 --> 00:05:22,491 which has been accused of harassing, 127 00:05:22,515 --> 00:05:25,569 and even in one case killing one of its political opponents. 128 00:05:25,982 --> 00:05:30,137 And we do think of weapons as things that kill people. 129 00:05:30,161 --> 00:05:31,470 But in the information age, 130 00:05:31,494 --> 00:05:33,081 some of the most powerful weapons 131 00:05:33,105 --> 00:05:35,414 are things that can track and identify us. 132 00:05:35,724 --> 00:05:39,034 This is something that the Pentagon and CIA have recognized for years, 133 00:05:39,058 --> 00:05:41,976 and they've tried to build technologies that can track people, 134 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,279 suspected terrorists around the globe. 135 00:05:44,904 --> 00:05:47,943 The Pentagon has invested in something called smart dust, 136 00:05:47,967 --> 00:05:50,555 little micro sensors the size of specs of dust, 137 00:05:50,579 --> 00:05:53,589 that you could scatter on people without them knowing it, 138 00:05:53,613 --> 00:05:55,835 and then use it to track their location. 139 00:05:55,859 --> 00:05:58,447 The Pentagon, through its venture capital firm, 140 00:05:58,471 --> 00:06:00,808 has invested in a beauty products company 141 00:06:00,832 --> 00:06:02,783 once featured in "Oprah Magazine," 142 00:06:02,807 --> 00:06:05,807 to build a device that could surreptitiously collect DNA 143 00:06:05,831 --> 00:06:08,031 just by swiping across the skin. 144 00:06:08,537 --> 00:06:11,473 But something remarkable has happened over the past decade. 145 00:06:11,497 --> 00:06:14,467 In many cases, what the private marketplace has been able to do 146 00:06:14,491 --> 00:06:18,721 has far outstripped what the Pentagon or CIA even thought was possible. 147 00:06:18,745 --> 00:06:19,921 Back in 2008, 148 00:06:19,945 --> 00:06:24,087 the Pentagon had a secretive database of DNA from terrorists. 149 00:06:24,111 --> 00:06:26,436 It had about 80,000 samples. 150 00:06:26,871 --> 00:06:29,371 Well, the private company AncestryDNA 151 00:06:29,395 --> 00:06:32,728 today has samples from over 15 million people. 152 00:06:32,752 --> 00:06:36,263 23andMe, the second-largest genealogical database, 153 00:06:36,287 --> 00:06:38,724 has samples from over 10 million people. 154 00:06:38,748 --> 00:06:42,343 So now, maybe you don't need these James Bond-worthy techniques 155 00:06:42,367 --> 00:06:43,961 of collecting DNA 156 00:06:43,985 --> 00:06:46,937 if we're willingly handing it over to private companies 157 00:06:46,961 --> 00:06:49,410 and even paying for the honor of doing it. 158 00:06:49,807 --> 00:06:53,138 Well what could you do with a sample of someone's DNA? 159 00:06:53,162 --> 00:06:54,679 In the United States and China 160 00:06:54,703 --> 00:06:57,178 researchers are working on using DNA samples 161 00:06:57,202 --> 00:06:59,520 to build images of people's faces. 162 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:03,513 So if you pair DNA with facial recognition technology 163 00:07:03,537 --> 00:07:06,600 you have the basis of a really powerful surveillance system 164 00:07:06,624 --> 00:07:10,449 that could be used to track individuals or entire ethnic groups. 165 00:07:10,473 --> 00:07:12,861 And if you think that sounds a little bit paranoid, 166 00:07:12,885 --> 00:07:15,625 keep in mind that the Pentagon last year sent out a memo 167 00:07:15,649 --> 00:07:17,537 to all of its service members 168 00:07:17,561 --> 00:07:20,815 warning them precisely not to use those commercial DNA kits 169 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:23,689 over concerns that information could be used to track them 170 00:07:23,713 --> 00:07:25,679 or their family members. 171 00:07:25,703 --> 00:07:29,926 And yet, even with the Pentagon raising concerns about this technology, 172 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:32,878 almost nothing has been done to reign in this market. 173 00:07:32,902 --> 00:07:35,109 One American company, Clearview AI, 174 00:07:35,133 --> 00:07:37,760 has been collecting billions of images of people's faces 175 00:07:37,784 --> 00:07:39,196 from across the internet. 176 00:07:39,220 --> 00:07:41,537 Like those pictures you post on Instagram of you 177 00:07:41,561 --> 00:07:43,371 and your friends and family, 178 00:07:43,395 --> 00:07:45,649 and then selling its facial recognition services 179 00:07:45,673 --> 00:07:48,506 to US government and law enforcement agencies. 180 00:07:48,530 --> 00:07:49,704 And even if you think 181 00:07:49,728 --> 00:07:52,738 that's a perfectly acceptable application of this technology, 182 00:07:52,762 --> 00:07:56,198 there's nothing to stop them from selling to private individuals, 183 00:07:56,222 --> 00:07:59,101 corporations, or even foreign governments. 184 00:07:59,125 --> 00:08:01,823 And that's exactly what some companies are doing. 185 00:08:01,847 --> 00:08:05,085 That wire-tapper's ball that started in northern Virginia? 186 00:08:05,109 --> 00:08:08,932 Today it's held in multiple cities around the globe. 187 00:08:08,956 --> 00:08:13,083 Thousands of people now attend the ISS trainings and conferences. 188 00:08:13,107 --> 00:08:16,829 And more of the companies showing up are coming from the Middle East and China. 189 00:08:16,853 --> 00:08:18,987 The spy bizarre has gone global. 190 00:08:19,545 --> 00:08:21,362 And at arms shows now around the world 191 00:08:21,386 --> 00:08:24,531 you'll see companies displaying facial recognition technology 192 00:08:24,555 --> 00:08:26,139 and phone hacking software, 193 00:08:26,163 --> 00:08:29,022 displaying right next to traditional arms manufacturers 194 00:08:29,046 --> 00:08:30,903 with tanks and missiles. 195 00:08:30,927 --> 00:08:32,642 And walking around these arms shows 196 00:08:32,666 --> 00:08:35,617 it's pretty easy to go down dystopian rabbit holes, 197 00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:37,759 thinking about future surveillance technology 198 00:08:37,783 --> 00:08:39,529 that will track our every move. 199 00:08:39,553 --> 00:08:41,696 And I remember one Pentagon adviser telling me 200 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,442 that what the military really needed 201 00:08:43,466 --> 00:08:44,816 were space-based satellites 202 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,839 that could track people anywhere on earth based just on their DNA. 203 00:08:48,863 --> 00:08:51,656 It's enough to make you invest in tin foil hats. 204 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:52,839 But the truth is, 205 00:08:52,863 --> 00:08:55,958 we don't know what sort of technology the future will bring. 206 00:08:55,982 --> 00:08:58,942 But we know that today, in the absence of regulation, 207 00:08:58,966 --> 00:09:01,243 this marketplace is already exploding. 208 00:09:01,267 --> 00:09:04,957 And in fact, one of those companies accused of selling surveillance technology 209 00:09:04,981 --> 00:09:06,608 to authoritarian regimes, 210 00:09:06,632 --> 00:09:11,146 today it's offering to help track those infected with COVID-19. 211 00:09:11,170 --> 00:09:14,091 And of course, technology does offer the tantalizing promise 212 00:09:14,115 --> 00:09:17,434 of helping control a pandemic through contact tracing. 213 00:09:17,458 --> 00:09:21,101 But it also opens up another door to privatized mass surveillance. 214 00:09:21,696 --> 00:09:24,704 So what do we do about this private spy bizarre? 215 00:09:25,005 --> 00:09:26,926 We can hide, go offline, 216 00:09:26,950 --> 00:09:29,735 get off social media, ditch our smart phones, 217 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:31,244 go live in a cave, 218 00:09:31,268 --> 00:09:34,148 but the truth is, we're not trained to be professional spies, 219 00:09:34,172 --> 00:09:37,490 we can't live under false identities or with no identities. 220 00:09:37,941 --> 00:09:41,617 And even real spies are having a hard time staying below the radar these days. 221 00:09:41,641 --> 00:09:44,346 It doesn't matter how many passports Jason Borne has, 222 00:09:44,370 --> 00:09:47,237 if his face or DNA is in someone's database. 223 00:09:47,767 --> 00:09:50,879 But if even governments have lost control of the tools of spying, 224 00:09:50,903 --> 00:09:52,918 is there anything we can do about it? 225 00:09:52,942 --> 00:09:54,109 One argument I've heard 226 00:09:54,133 --> 00:09:56,426 is that even if the US were to restrict companies 227 00:09:56,450 --> 00:09:58,537 from selling this sort of technology abroad, 228 00:09:58,561 --> 00:10:00,961 companies based in China might simply step in. 229 00:10:01,457 --> 00:10:03,815 But we regulate the arms trade today, 230 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:05,772 even if we do it imperfectly. 231 00:10:06,466 --> 00:10:09,491 And in fact, there was a multilateral proposal several years ago 232 00:10:09,515 --> 00:10:10,672 to do just that, 233 00:10:10,696 --> 00:10:13,632 to require export licenses for surveillance software. 234 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:16,046 The United States was among those countries 235 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:18,629 that agreed to these voluntary regulations, 236 00:10:18,653 --> 00:10:19,819 but back in Washington, 237 00:10:19,843 --> 00:10:21,914 this proposal has simply languished. 238 00:10:21,938 --> 00:10:25,137 We have an administration that would rather sell more weapons abroad 239 00:10:25,161 --> 00:10:26,352 with fewer restrictions, 240 00:10:26,376 --> 00:10:28,145 including to some of those countries 241 00:10:28,169 --> 00:10:30,200 accused of abusing surveillance technology. 242 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,734 I think to move forward, 243 00:10:31,758 --> 00:10:33,574 we would need to revive that proposal, 244 00:10:33,598 --> 00:10:35,534 but even go one step further. 245 00:10:35,558 --> 00:10:39,241 We need to fundamentally change how we think of surveillance technology 246 00:10:39,265 --> 00:10:41,716 and define these tools as weapons. 247 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:43,066 This would allow government 248 00:10:43,090 --> 00:10:45,923 to regulate and control their sale and export, 249 00:10:45,947 --> 00:10:48,633 the way that they control traditional arms, 250 00:10:48,657 --> 00:10:50,724 advanced aircraft and missiles. 251 00:10:51,074 --> 00:10:54,804 But that means recognizing that technology that tracks who we are, 252 00:10:54,828 --> 00:10:56,614 what we do, what we say, 253 00:10:56,638 --> 00:10:58,765 and even in some cases, what we think, 254 00:10:58,789 --> 00:11:00,789 is a form of advanced weaponry. 255 00:11:00,813 --> 00:11:02,936 And these weapons are growing too powerful, 256 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,691 available to the highest bidder, 257 00:11:04,715 --> 00:11:07,127 and according to the whims of the spy bizarre. 258 00:11:07,532 --> 00:11:08,682 Thank you.