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Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.19,0:00:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.64,0:00:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, this is a talk\Nabout how to spot a psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.09,0:00:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The statistics, by the way -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.69,0:00:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which Robert Hare, \Nwho invented the psychopath checklist,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.52,0:00:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came up with this -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.53,0:00:34.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says 1 in 100 people is a psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.71,0:00:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's 100 people in the room, \Nso one of you ...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.14,0:00:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.73,0:00:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... is a psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.70,0:00:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If psychopaths enjoy\Ngoing to talks about psychopaths,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.09,0:00:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there could be more than\None of you in the audience.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.51,0:00:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.52,0:00:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think psychopaths do enjoy\Ngoing to talks about psychopaths
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.59,0:00:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of item 2:\Ngrandiose sense of self-worth.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.18,0:01:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, 1 in 100 regular people\Nis a psychopath, Hare says,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.95,0:01:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but 4 in 100 CEOs are psychopaths.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.06,0:01:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you're four times more likely\Nto be ruled by a psychopath
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.62,0:01:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than you would have one\Nas your subordinate.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.31,0:01:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so I'm now professionally trained,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.53,0:01:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, I've got to say, an extremely\Nadept psychopath spotter.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.06,0:01:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll tell you the story of how\NI became a psychopath spotter,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.92,0:01:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what I did with my powers.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.81,0:01:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It started at a friend's house,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.33,0:01:29.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she had on her shelf\Na book called the "DSM."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.95,0:01:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do people know the DSM?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.72,0:01:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a manual of mental disorders.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.01,0:01:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the 50s, it was very slim,\Nlike a little pamphlet,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.48,0:01:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now it's an enormous book.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.99,0:01:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've come up with\Na huge number of mental disorders.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.56,0:01:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are 886 pages, 374 mental disorders.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.56,0:01:48.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was leafing through the book\Nwondering if I had any mental disorders,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.95,0:01:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it turns out I've got 12.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.86,0:01:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got generalized anxiety disorder, \Nwhich is a given.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.45,0:01:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got nightmare disorder,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.36,0:02:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is categorized if you have\Nrecurrent dreams of being pursued
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.16,0:02:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or declared a failure.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.41,0:02:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All my dreams involve\Nsomebody chasing me down the street
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.09,0:02:08.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going, "You're a failure!"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.97,0:02:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.70,0:02:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got malingering,\Nand I think it's actually quite rare
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.85,0:02:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have both malingering\Nand generalized anxiety disorder
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.42,0:02:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because malingering tends\Nto make you feel extremely anxious.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.62,0:02:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have parent-child\Nrelational problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.60,0:02:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I blame my mother for.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.22,0:02:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.32,0:02:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have caffeine-induced disorder, \Nwhich I've got right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.72,0:02:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.61,0:02:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was leafing\Nthrough this book, wondering,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.64,0:02:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"My goodness! Am I crazier\Nthan I thought I was?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.45,0:02:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or maybe it's not a good idea \Nto self-diagnose
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.26,0:02:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're not a trained professional.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.15,0:02:44.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or maybe the psychiatry industry \N
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.99,0:02:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a strange fetish to diagnose\Nnormal behavior as a mental disorder.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.24,0:02:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea which was true.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.67,0:02:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was quite excited to have\Nso many mental disorders.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.15,0:02:55.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It kind of made me feel
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.25,0:02:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it's good to know\Nthere's something wrong with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.22,0:03:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wondered whether my anxiety\Nwas a good thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.54,0:03:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it's a thing\Nthat drives me forward to achieve.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.49,0:03:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it makes me do interesting things.\NI was wondering what is all this.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.99,0:03:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it'd be interesting \Nto meet a critic of psychiatry
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.39,0:03:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get their view on it, \N
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.72,0:03:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was how I did a pubby lunch\Nwith the Scientologists,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.43,0:03:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have a crack team\Nof psychiatry busters
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.78,0:03:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called the CCHR.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.87,0:03:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said to them, "Can you prove to me\Nthat my thesis is right
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.66,0:03:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that psychiatry is pseudoscience?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.20,0:03:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said, "Yes, we can, \Nwe can prove it to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.68,0:03:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can introduce you to Tony."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.82,0:03:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "Who's Tony?" \NAnd they said, "Tony's in Broadmoor."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.87,0:03:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now Broadmoor is Broadmoor Hospital\Nwhich used to be known
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.75,0:03:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as "Broadmoor Asylum\Nfor the Criminally Insane."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.56,0:03:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "What did Tony do?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.13,0:03:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Scientologists said, \N"Hardly anything."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.80,0:03:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"He's completely sane,\Nhe beat somebody up or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.41,0:03:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's totally sane. He faked madness\Nto try to get out of a prison sentence.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.46,0:03:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He faked it too well,\Nand now he's stuck at Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.50,0:03:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more he tries\Nto convince people he's sane,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.71,0:04:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more they take it\Nas evidence that he's crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.06,0:04:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you want us to get you \Ninto Broadmoor to meet Tony?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.08,0:04:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "Yes, please."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.16,0:04:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went to Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.68,0:04:11.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Scientologists got me in.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.06,0:04:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.85,0:04:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were sitting in the Wellness Center.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.07,0:04:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.89,0:04:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Brian the Scientologist said,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.59,0:04:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"By the way, Tony is the only person\Nin the entire DSPD unit
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.03,0:04:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have permission to meet people \Nin the Wellness Center.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.12,0:04:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "What does DSPD stand for?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.21,0:04:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Dangerous and Severe \NPersonality Disorder."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.86,0:04:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "Is Tony\Nin the part of Broadmoor
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.95,0:04:38.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that houses the most dangerous people?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.18,0:04:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Brian said, "Yeah, isn't that crazy?"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.97,0:04:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then the patients started drifting in,\Nand most were overweight,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.28,0:04:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were wearing sweatpants,\Nand they looked quite docile.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.60,0:04:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then Brian said, "There's Tony."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.05,0:04:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tony came in, and he wasn't overweight,\Nhe was in extremely good shape.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.61,0:04:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wasn't wearing sweatpants,\Nhe was wearing a pinstripe suit,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.50,0:05:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was walking towards me \Nwith his arm outstretched,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.18,0:05:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like someone out of "The Apprentice."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.36,0:05:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somebody wants to convince me\Nthat he was very sane.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.26,0:05:08.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he sat down.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.77,0:05:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Was it true \Nthat you faked your way in here?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.38,0:05:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Yeah, I beat \Nsomeone up in Reading.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.93,0:05:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was on remand in my cell, \Nand my cellmate said,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.30,0:05:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You're looking at five years.\NWhat you need to do - fake madness.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.56,0:05:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell them you're mad, \Nyou'll go to some cushy hospital,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.64,0:05:32.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nurses will bring you pizzas,\Nyou'll have a PlayStation."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.85,0:05:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "How did you fake madness?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.52,0:05:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "I asked to see \Nthe prison psychiatrist.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.86,0:05:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd just seen this film called "Crash"\Nby David Cronenberg,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.93,0:05:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which people get sexual pleasure \Nfrom enacting car crashes.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.17,0:05:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I told the psychiatrist,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.23,0:05:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I get sexual pleasure \Nfrom enacting car crashes."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.70,0:05:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Why?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.72,0:05:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, yeah. I told the psychiatrist\NI like to watch women as they die
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.16,0:05:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it would \Nmake me feel more normal."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.21,0:05:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "Where did you get that from?"
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.16,0:06:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "From a biography of Ted Bundy\Nthat they had in the prison library."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.58,0:06:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he evidently faked\Nmadness much too well,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.42,0:06:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they sent him to Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.90,0:06:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He took one look at the place and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.77,0:06:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"There's has been a terrible mistake.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.86,0:06:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not mad."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.96,0:06:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "How long have you been here for?"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.96,0:06:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If I'd just done my prison sentence,\NI'd have got 5 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.76,0:06:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been in Broadmoor for 12 years."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.51,0:06:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for the last 12 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.81,0:06:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's tried to convince them\Nthat he's sane.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.29,0:06:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "How do you do that?"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.74,0:06:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Well, it's not easy.\NI subscribe to New Scientist.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.49,0:06:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like to try and talk to them\Nabout normal things, like football.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.70,0:06:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's an article\Nin New Scientist that recently said
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.95,0:06:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the US Army was training bumblebees\Nto sniff out explosives.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.74,0:06:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said to the nurse,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.34,0:06:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Did you know that the US Army's training\Nbumblebees to sniff out explosives?"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.06,0:06:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said later when he saw\Nhis case notes, they'd written,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.78,0:06:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Believes bees can sniff out explosives."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.17,0:06:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "The more you try to act sane, \Nthe more crazy you seem."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.36,0:07:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Tony seemed completely sane to me, \Nbut I'm not a professional.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.60,0:07:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left, and I wondered what to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.47,0:07:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I decided to write\Nto his clinician, Anthony Maden.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.22,0:07:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "What's the story?"\NAnd his clinician emailed back and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.20,0:07:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah, we accept\Nthat Tony's story is true.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.65,0:07:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We accept that he faked madness \Nto get out of prison sentence
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.83,0:07:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because his delusions were very cliched.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.79,0:07:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, we've assessed him,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.78,0:07:26.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've decided that what he is\Nis a psychopath!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.100,0:07:29.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact, faking madness
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.09,0:07:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is exactly the kind of cunning\Nand manipulative act of a psychopath."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.28,0:07:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, faking your brain going wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.97,0:07:36.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is evidence that your brain\Nhas gone wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.98,0:07:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "It's on the checklist - \Ncunning and manipulative."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.04,0:07:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "What else?"
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.41,0:07:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Well, pinstriped suit -\Nclassic psychopath
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.26,0:07:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That speaks to 'grandiose\Nsense of self-worth,'
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.44,0:07:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also 'glibness/superficial charm.' "
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.24,0:07:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tony had told me that he didn't like \Nto hang around with his neighbors.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.62,0:08:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has the Stockwell strangler\Non one side of him,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.45,0:08:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so he stayed in his room a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.02,0:08:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They take that as a sign\Nthat he's a psychopath
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.33,0:08:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it speaks\Nto lack of empathy, grandiosity.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.18,0:08:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only in Broadmoor would not wanting\Nto hang out with serial killers
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.39,0:08:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be a sign of madness.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.88,0:08:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Anthony Maden said, "If you want\Nto know more about psychopaths,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.98,0:08:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can go to a psychopath\Nspotting course
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.04,0:08:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Robert Hare, who invented\Nthe psychopath checklist.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.05,0:08:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I did, I went on a three-day course,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.16,0:08:31.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is exactly the same as people \Nwho now are court experts,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.30,0:08:33.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who speak at sentencing\Nhearings and so on,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.45,0:08:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to determine whether somebody\Nis a high-scoring psychopath or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.57,0:08:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went on the three-day course,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.06,0:08:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am now an extremely\Nadept psychopath spotter.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.72,0:08:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hare said to me, repeatedly,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.81,0:08:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Some guy in Broadmoor\Nwho may or may not fake madness -
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.90,0:08:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's not a big story.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.11,0:08:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The big story is corporate psychopathy."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.27,0:08:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Psychopathy\Nis so powerful, a brain anomaly."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.38,0:09:00.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It is a brain anomaly," he says.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.100,0:09:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The amygdala doesn't send \Nenough signals of fear and distress
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.16,0:09:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up and down the central nervous system.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.18,0:09:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Psychopaths are the neurological\Nopposite of me.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.12,0:09:13.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My amygdala sends way too many signals\Nof fear and distress
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.73,0:09:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up and down to my central nervous system.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.98,0:09:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, they don't feel anxious. No anxiety.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.07,0:09:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "It's such\Na powerful brain anomaly
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.20,0:09:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it molded society all wrong."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.52,0:09:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Capitalism, at its most ruthless,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.27,0:09:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a physical manifestation\Nof psychopathy.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.68,0:09:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how powerful the condition is.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.36,0:09:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are all victims of psychopathy.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.21,0:09:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "You'll really want to try\Nand get an interview
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.89,0:09:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a corporate psychopath."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.40,0:09:43.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I looked around, and I chose ...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.34,0:09:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Al Dunlap.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.61,0:09:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Al Dunlap, in the 1990s,\Nwas a very notorious asset stripper.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.49,0:09:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He would come into a company, \Nand he'd fire everybody,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.58,0:10:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the share prices would shoot up.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.32,0:10:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He did it at Scott's,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.73,0:10:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is one of America's leading \Ntoilet paper manufacturers.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.88,0:10:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He came in, closed down plants\Nall over the place.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.79,0:10:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he'd kind of fire people quite often\Nwith a quip, with like a funny joke.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.55,0:10:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one of his stories was somebody \Ncame up to him and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.91,0:10:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I just bought myself a new car."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.54,0:10:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Al Dunlap said,\N"You may have a new car,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.60,0:10:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'll tell you\Nwhat you don't have - a job."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.64,0:10:26.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He once went to a plant\Nin Mobile, Alabama,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.100,0:10:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asked somebody how long\Nhe'd been working there,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.24,0:10:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the guy said, "30 years."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.62,0:10:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Why do you want to work at a place\Nfor 30 years? It makes no sense."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.86,0:10:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he closed the plant down\Nand fired everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.26,0:10:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said something\Nthat wasn't psychopathic.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.10,0:10:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, for instance, he said no -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.23,0:10:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't ask him about \Npromiscuous sexual behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.42,0:10:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because his wife was there,\Nand, frankly, I chickened out.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.32,0:10:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he said no to juvenile delinquency,\Nand he said no to early behavior problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.73,0:10:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Because I got accepted\Ninto West Point,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.13,0:10:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if I was a delinquent,\Nthey wouldn't have me in."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.99,0:11:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no rumors of affairs.\NHe's already been married twice.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.84,0:11:06.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Admittedly, his first wife\Ncited in her divorce papers
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.67,0:11:08.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he once threatened her with a knife\N
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.77,0:11:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said, "I always wondered\Nwhat human flesh tasted like."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.95,0:11:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he has only been married twice.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.71,0:11:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, by the way, he would often speak\Nabout his wise and supportive parents
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.40,0:11:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but didn't turn up\Nto either of their funerals.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.72,0:11:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even so, there were quite a few items \Non the psychopath checklist
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.01,0:11:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that didn't apply to him at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.90,0:11:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I thought to myself,\Nwell, I won't put that in the book.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.46,0:11:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I realized, my goodness,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.84,0:11:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being a psychopath spotter\Nhas turned me somewhat psychopathic.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.34,0:11:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was displaying lack of empathy, \NI was being cunning and manipulative.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.25,0:11:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It had turned me kind of power-mad.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.100,0:11:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I got a call from Tony in Broadmoor.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.34,0:11:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, Tony has always denied\Nbeing a psychopath.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.24,0:11:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said the problem with the checklist -\None of the items is lack of remorse;
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.00,0:12:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another item is cunning, manipulative,\Nand pathological lying.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.66,0:12:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you tell them, "I feel \Nenormous remorse for what I did,"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.09,0:12:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they say, "Typical of a psychopath \Nto pretend to be remorseful
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.40,0:12:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they're not."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.71,0:12:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said it's like voodoo -\Nthey turn everything upside down.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.96,0:12:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Hare checklist is used by experts \Nin sentencing hearings,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.78,0:12:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in parole and probation\Nhearings all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.98,0:12:23.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The rest of somebody's life\Ncan be determined
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.90,0:12:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how high they score\Non the psychopath test.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.17,0:12:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, Tony said\Nhe had a tribunal planned,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.87,0:12:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and would I like to come?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.07,0:12:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.99,0:12:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after 14 years in Broadmoor \N
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.52,0:12:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a crime that would have got him\Nfive years if he hadn't faked madness,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.75,0:12:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they let him go.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.23,0:12:44.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's now out.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.73,0:12:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said to me,\N"Jon, the way you got to remember -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.38,0:12:50.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody is a bit psychopathic."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.03,0:12:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "You are, I am. \NWell, obviously I am."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.13,0:12:55.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "What are you going to do now?"\N
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.05,0:12:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Well, there's this woman\Nin Belgium I fancy, but she's married.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.48,0:13:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible] get her divorced,\Nbut that's OK because we're manipulative.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.25,0:13:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Tony is out and about.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.52,0:13:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spent a long time wondering\Nwhat I should think about Tony.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.82,0:13:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was worried, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.96,0:13:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because part of me\Nreally wanted to support him,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.22,0:13:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another part of me thought,\Nwell, you know, he might be a psychopath,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.00,0:13:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have a 60% recidivism rate.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.90,0:13:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I do?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.90,0:13:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For a while, I've wondered
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.14,0:13:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I should write about him\Nin a supportive way,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.49,0:13:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not quite good enough \Nfor it to actually work.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.06,0:13:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, like campaign for his release\Nbut quite badly like a sort of crap Bono.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.74,0:13:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.04,0:13:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now I've decided, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.18,0:13:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Tony a psychopath\Nor is Tony a miscarriage of justice?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.34,0:13:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the answer I came up with is "both."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.01,0:13:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can be a psychopath\Nand also be a miscarriage of justice
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.82,0:13:49.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we should not\Nbe determined by a checklist.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.20,0:13:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we should be defined by our sanity
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.26,0:13:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not our madness, if we possibly can.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.81,0:13:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes it's our madness,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.65,0:14:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's the least attractive aspects\Nof our personality,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.15,0:14:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's our anxieties, our compulsions,\Nand our obsessions,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.91,0:14:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that lead us sometimes\Nto quite interesting things,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.05,0:14:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that leads us to move forward and succeed.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.88,0:14:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.48,0:14:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)