1
00:00:01,153 --> 00:00:03,720
Pat Mitchell: Your first time back on the TEDWomen stage.

2
00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,415
Sheryl Sandberg: First time back. Nice to see everyone. It's always so nice to look out

3
00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:07,721
and see so many women.

4
00:00:07,721 --> 00:00:08,382


5
00:00:08,382 --> 00:00:11,895
It's so not my regular experience, as I know anyone else's

6
00:00:11,895 --> 00:00:18,824
PM: So when we first started talking about maybe the the subject wouldn't be social media,

7
00:00:18,824 --> 00:00:23,479
which we assumed it would be, but that you had very much on your mind

8
00:00:23,557 --> 00:00:30,464
the missing leadership positions, particularly in the sector of technology and social media.

9
00:00:30,464 --> 00:00:36,531
But how did that evolve for you as a thought, and end up being the TED Talk that you gave?

10
00:00:36,531 --> 00:00:39,980
SS: So I was really scared to get on this stage and talk about women,

11
00:00:39,980 --> 00:00:42,939
because I grew up in the business world, as I think so many of us do,

12
00:00:42,939 --> 00:00:49,579
you never talk about being a woman, because someone might notice that you're a woman, right?

13
00:00:49,579 --> 00:00:54,200
They might notice. Or worse, if you say "woman", people on the other end of the table

14
00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,229
think you're asking for special treatment, or complaining,

15
00:00:57,275 --> 00:01:00,367
or worse, about to sue them. And so I went through -- (laughter)

16
00:01:00,367 --> 00:01:04,864
Right? I went through my entire business career, and never spoke about being a woman,

17
00:01:04,864 --> 00:01:09,399
never spoke about it publicly. But I also had noticed that it wasn't working.

18
00:01:09,399 --> 00:01:13,793
I came out of college over 20 years ago, and I thought that you know, look,

19
00:01:13,793 --> 00:01:17,225
all of my peers were men and women, all the people above me were all men, but that would change,

20
00:01:17,241 --> 00:01:22,629
because your generation had done such an amazing job fighting for equality,

21
00:01:22,629 --> 00:01:26,411
equality was now ours for the taking. And it wasn't.

22
00:01:26,411 --> 00:01:29,728
Because year after year, I was one of fewer and fewer, and now,

23
00:01:29,728 --> 00:01:33,820
often the only woman in a room. And I talked to a bunch of people about,

24
00:01:33,820 --> 00:01:37,241
should I give a speech at TEDWomen about women, and they said, oh no, no.

25
00:01:37,241 --> 00:01:42,234
It will end your business career. You cannot be a serious business executive

26
00:01:42,234 --> 00:01:45,426
and speak about being a woman. You'll never be taken seriously again.

27
00:01:45,426 --> 00:01:49,686
But fortunately, there were the few, the proud -- like you -- who told me I should give this speech,

28
00:01:49,686 --> 00:01:53,511
and I asked myself the question Mark Zuckerberg might --

29
00:01:53,511 --> 00:01:55,151
the founder of Facebook and, you know, my boss --

30
00:01:55,151 --> 00:01:58,774
asked all of us, which is what would I do if I wasn't afraid?

31
00:01:58,774 --> 00:02:02,920
And the answer to what would I do if I wasn't afraid is I would get on the TED stage,

32
00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:09,932
and talk about women, and leadership. And I did, and survived. (applause)

33
00:02:09,932 --> 00:02:14,859
PM: I would say, not only survived. I'm thinking of that moment, Sheryl,

34
00:02:14,859 --> 00:02:19,500
when you and I were standing backstage together, and you turned to me,

35
00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:20,822
and you told me a story.

36
00:02:20,822 --> 00:02:24,685
And I said -- very last minute -- you know, you really should share that story.

37
00:02:24,701 --> 00:02:25,544
SS: Oh, yeah.

38
00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:26,567
PM: What was that story?

39
00:02:26,583 --> 00:02:29,823
SS: Well, it's an important part of the journey. So I had -- TEDWomen --

40
00:02:29,823 --> 00:02:33,540
the original one was in DC -- so I live here, so I had gotten on a plane the day before

41
00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:38,205
and my daughter was three, she was clinging to my leg, "Mommy, don't go."

42
00:02:38,251 --> 00:02:42,184
And Pat's a friend, and so, not related to the speech I was planning on giving,

43
00:02:42,184 --> 00:02:45,479
which was chock full of facts and figures, and nothing personal,

44
00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:51,170
I told Pat the story. I said, well, I'm having a hard day. Yesterday my daughter was clinging to my leg,

45
00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:53,215
and "don't go." And you looked at me and said,

46
00:02:53,215 --> 00:02:57,388
you have to tell that story. I said, on the TED stage? Are you kidding?

47
00:02:57,388 --> 00:03:00,245
I'm going to get on a stage and admit my daughter was clinging to my leg?

48
00:03:00,245 --> 00:03:03,950
And you said yes, because if you want to talk about getting more women into leadership roles,

49
00:03:03,950 --> 00:03:07,210
you have to be honest about how hard it is.

50
00:03:07,210 --> 00:03:11,745
And I did. And I think that's a really important part of the journey.

51
00:03:11,745 --> 00:03:16,875
The same thing happened when I wrote my book. I started writing the book. I wrote a first chapter,

52
00:03:16,875 --> 00:03:21,442
I thought it was fabulous. It was chock-full of data and figures,

53
00:03:21,442 --> 00:03:27,866
I had three pages on matrilineal Masai tribes, and what the patterns are of their --

54
00:03:27,866 --> 00:03:30,547
their sociological patterns -- my husband read it.

55
00:03:30,547 --> 00:03:33,226
And he was like, this is like eating your Wheaties.

56
00:03:33,226 --> 00:03:40,714
No one -- and I apologize to Wheaties if there's someone -- no one, no one will read this book.

57
00:03:40,714 --> 00:03:45,882
And I realized through the process that I had to be more honest and more open,

58
00:03:45,882 --> 00:03:50,600
and I had to tell my stories. My stories of still not feeling as self-confident as I should,

59
00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:56,248
in many situations. My first and failed marriage. Crying at work.

60
00:03:56,248 --> 00:04:00,473
Felling like I didn't belong there, feeling guilty to this day.

61
00:04:00,473 --> 00:04:04,961
And part of my journey, starting on this stage, going to Lean In, going to the foundation,

62
00:04:04,961 --> 00:04:08,787
is all about being more open and honest about those challenges,

63
00:04:08,787 --> 00:04:10,610
so that other women can be more open, honest,

64
00:04:10,610 --> 00:04:14,242
and all of us can work together towards real equality.

65
00:04:14,242 --> 00:04:17,771
PM: I think that one of the most striking parts about the book,

66
00:04:17,771 --> 00:04:23,634
and in my opinion, one of the reasons it's hit such a nerve and is resonating around the world,

67
00:04:23,634 --> 00:04:29,250
is that you are personal in the book, and that you do make it clear that,

68
00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:33,455
while you've observed some things that are very important for other women to know,

69
00:04:33,455 --> 00:04:38,260
that you've had the same challenges that many others of us have,

70
00:04:38,260 --> 00:04:44,746
as you faced the hurdles and the barriers and possibly the people who don't believe the same.

71
00:04:44,746 --> 00:04:49,523
So talk about that process: deciding you go public with the private part,

72
00:04:49,523 --> 00:04:53,533
and then you would also put yourself in the position of something of an expert

73
00:04:53,533 --> 00:04:56,054
on how to resolve those challenges.

74
00:04:56,301 --> 00:04:56,301


75
00:04:56,301 --> 00:04:59,051
SS: After I did the TED Talk, what happened was --

76
00:04:59,097 --> 00:05:02,536
you know, I never really expected to write a book, I'm not an author, I'm not a writer,

77
00:05:02,536 --> 00:05:07,313
and it was viewed a lot, and it really started impacting people's lives.

78
00:05:07,313 --> 00:05:10,772
I got this great --- one of the first letters I got was from a woman

79
00:05:10,772 --> 00:05:15,959
who said that she was offered a really big promotion at work, and she turned it down,

80
00:05:15,974 --> 00:05:18,329
and she told her best friend she turned it down, and her best friend said

81
00:05:18,329 --> 00:05:19,791
you really need to watch this TED Talk.

82
00:05:19,791 --> 00:05:24,515
And so she watched this TED Talk, and she went back the next day, she took the job,

83
00:05:24,515 --> 00:05:28,439
she went home, and she handed her husband the grocery list. (laughter)

84
00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:30,831
And she said, I can do this.

85
00:05:30,831 --> 00:05:34,170
And what really mattered to me -- it wasn't only women in the corporate world,

86
00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:36,954
even though I did hear from a lot of them, and it did impact a lot of them,

87
00:05:36,954 --> 00:05:41,200
it was also people of all different circumstancecs.

88
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,531
There was a doctor I met who was an attending physician at Johns Hopkins,

89
00:05:44,531 --> 00:05:48,155
and he said that until he saw my TED Talk, it never really occurred to him

90
00:05:48,155 --> 00:05:50,699
that even though half the students in his med school classes were women,

91
00:05:50,699 --> 00:05:53,256
they weren't speaking as much as the men as he did his rounds.

92
00:05:53,256 --> 00:05:59,559
So he started paying attention, and as he waited for raised hands, he realized the men's hands were up.

93
00:05:59,559 --> 00:06:02,166
So he started encouraging the women to raise their hands more,

94
00:06:02,213 --> 00:06:03,536
and it still didn't work.

95
00:06:03,552 --> 00:06:06,691
So he told everyone, no more hand raising, I'm cold-calling.

96
00:06:06,691 --> 00:06:10,403
So he could call evenly on men and women. And what he proved to himself was that

97
00:06:10,403 --> 00:06:13,373
the women knew the answers just as well or better,

98
00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:16,555
and he was able to go back to them and tell them that. And then, you know,

99
00:06:16,555 --> 00:06:21,197
there was the woman, stay-at-home mom, lives in a really difficult neighborhood,

100
00:06:21,197 --> 00:06:24,678
with not a great school, she said that TED Talk -- she's never had a corporate job,

101
00:06:24,678 --> 00:06:30,345
but that TED Talk inspired her to go to her school and fight for a better teacher for her child.

102
00:06:30,345 --> 00:06:34,131
And I guess was part of finding my own voice.

103
00:06:34,131 --> 00:06:39,370
And I realize that other women and men could find their voice through it,

104
00:06:39,370 --> 00:06:41,613
which is why I went from the talk to the book.

105
00:06:41,613 --> 00:06:47,799
PM: And in the book, you not only found your voice, which is clear and strong in the book,

106
00:06:47,799 --> 00:06:51,487
but you also share what you've learned --

107
00:06:51,487 --> 00:06:54,599
the experiences of other people in the lessons.

108
00:06:54,599 --> 00:06:59,366
And that's what I'm thinking about in terms of putting yourself in a --

109
00:06:59,366 --> 00:07:03,889
you became a sort of expert in how you lean in.

110
00:07:03,889 --> 00:07:08,313
So what did that feel like, and become like in your life?


111
00:07:08,313 --> 00:07:13,987
To launch not just a book, not just a best-selling, best-viewed talk,

112
00:07:13,987 --> 00:07:19,814
but a movement, where people began to literally describe their actions at work as

113
00:07:19,814 --> 00:07:22,758
I'm leaning in.

114
00:07:22,758 --> 00:07:29,986
SS: I mean, I'm grateful, I'm honored, I'm happy, and it's the very beginning.

115
00:07:29,986 --> 00:07:34,500
So I don't know if I'm an expert, or if anyone is an expert. I certainly have done a lot of research.

116
00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:38,500
I have read every study, I have pored over the materials,

117
00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,941
and the lessons are very clear. Because here's what we know:

118
00:07:40,941 --> 00:07:46,500
what we know is that stereotypes are holding women back from leadership roles all over the world.

119
00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,764
It's so striking. Lean In's very global, I've been all over the world,

120
00:07:48,764 --> 00:07:51,205
talking about it, and -- cultures are so different.

121
00:07:51,205 --> 00:07:56,400
Even within our own country, to Japan, to Korea, to China, to Asia, Europe,

122
00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,985
they' re so different. Except for one thing: gender.

123
00:07:59,985 --> 00:08:02,415
All over the world, no matter what our cultures are,

124
00:08:02,415 --> 00:08:06,451
we think men snould be strong, assertive, aggressive, have voice,

125
00:08:06,451 --> 00:08:10,740
we think women should speak when spoken to, help others.

126
00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:14,703
Now we have, all over the world,

127
00:08:14,703 --> 00:08:18,496
women are called "bossy." There is a word for "bossy,"

128
00:08:18,496 --> 00:08:20,614
for little girls, in every language there's one.

129
00:08:20,614 --> 00:08:23,101
It's a word that's pretty much not used for little boys,

130
00:08:23,101 --> 00:08:25,893
because if a little boy leads, there's no negative word for it,

131
00:08:25,893 --> 00:08:30,850
it's expected. But if a little girl leads, she's bossy.

132
00:08:30,850 --> 00:08:33,660
Now I know there aren't a lot of men here, but bear with me.

133
00:08:33,660 --> 00:08:35,547
If you're a man, you'll have to represent your gender.

134
00:08:35,547 --> 00:08:38,634
Please raise your hand if you've been told you're too aggressive at work.

135
00:08:41,173 --> 00:08:46,334
(laughter) There's always a few, it runs about 5%. Okay, get ready, gentlemen.

136
00:08:46,334 --> 00:08:51,883
If you're a woman, please raise your hand if you've ever been told you're too aggressive at work.

137
00:08:51,883 --> 00:08:56,804
(laughter) That is what audiences have said in every country in the world,

138
00:08:56,804 --> 00:08:59,763
and it's deeply supported by the data.

139
00:08:59,763 --> 00:09:04,146
Now, do we think women are more aggressive than men? Of course not.

140
00:09:04,146 --> 00:09:06,573
It's just that we judge them through a different lens,

141
00:09:06,573 --> 00:09:11,300
and a lot of the character traits that you must exhibit to perform at work, to get results, to lead,

142
00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:13,703
are ones that we think, in a man, he's a boss,

143
00:09:13,703 --> 00:09:16,111
and in a woman, she's bossy.

144
00:09:16,111 --> 00:09:19,781
And the good news about this is that we can change this by acknowledging it.

145
00:09:19,781 --> 00:09:22,478
One of the happiest moments I had in this whole journey

146
00:09:22,478 --> 00:09:27,242
is, after the book came out, I stood on a stage with John Chambers, the CEO of Cisco.

147
00:09:27,242 --> 00:09:31,286
He read the book. He stood on a stage with me, he invited me in front of his whole management team,

148
00:09:31,286 --> 00:09:34,417
men and women, and he said, I thought we were good at this. I thought I was good at this.

149
00:09:34,417 --> 00:09:39,191
And then I read this book, and I realized that we -- my company --

150
00:09:39,191 --> 00:09:41,328
we have called all of our senior women too aggressive,

151
00:09:41,328 --> 00:09:43,807
and I'm standing on this stage, and I'm sorry.

152
00:09:43,807 --> 00:09:47,183
And I want you to know we're never going to do it again.

153
00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:47,460
I: Wow.

154
00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:51,045
PM: Can we send that to a lot of other people that we know? (applause)

155
00:09:51,122 --> 00:09:54,852
SS: And so John is doing that because he believes it's good for his company,

156
00:09:54,852 --> 00:09:58,106
and so this kind of acknowledgement of these biases can change it.

157
00:09:58,106 --> 00:10:01,139
And so next time you all see someone call a little girl "bossy,"

158
00:10:01,139 --> 00:10:04,134
you walk right up to that person, big smile, and you say

159
00:10:04,134 --> 00:10:09,100
that little girl's not bossy. That little girl has executive leadership skills. (laughter)

160
00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:13,660
PM: I know that's what you're telling your daughter. 
SS: Absolutely.

161
00:10:13,692 --> 00:10:16,850
PM: And you did focus on the book. And the reason, as you said, in writing it,

162
00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:18,961
was to create a dialogue about this.

163
00:10:19,022 --> 00:10:22,273
I mean, let's just put it out there, face the fact that women are --

164
00:10:22,273 --> 00:10:26,980
in a time when we have more open doors, and more opportunities,

165
00:10:26,980 --> 00:10:29,248
are still not getting to the leadership positions.

166
00:10:29,248 --> 00:10:31,632
So in the months that have come since the book,

167
00:10:31,632 --> 00:10:34,128
in which Lean In focused on that and said,

168
00:10:34,128 --> 00:10:38,612
here are some of the challenges that remain, and many of them we have to own within ourselves

169
00:10:38,612 --> 00:10:41,236
and look at ourselves. What has changed?

170
00:10:41,236 --> 00:10:43,245
Have you seen changes?

171
00:10:43,245 --> 00:10:45,708
SS: Well, there's certainly more dialogue, which is great.

172
00:10:45,708 --> 00:10:48,618
But what really matters to me, and I think all of us, is action.

173
00:10:48,618 --> 00:10:51,988
So everywhere I go, CEOs, they're mostly men, say to me,

174
00:10:51,988 --> 00:10:54,252
you're costing me so much money.

175
00:10:54,252 --> 00:10:57,870
Because all the women want to be paid as much as the men.

176
00:10:57,870 --> 00:11:00,859
And to them I say, I'm not sorry at all. (laughter)

177
00:11:00,859 --> 00:11:05,650
At all. I mean, the women should be paid as much as the men.

178
00:11:05,650 --> 00:11:08,910
Everywhere I go, women tell me they ask for raises.

179
00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:12,953
Everywhere I go, women say they're getting better relationships with their spouses,

180
00:11:12,953 --> 00:11:16,841
asking for more help at home, asking for the promotions they should be getting at work,

181
00:11:16,841 --> 00:11:19,748
and importantly, believing it themselves. Even little things.

182
00:11:19,748 --> 00:11:23,840
One of the governors of one of the states told me that he didn't realize that more women were, in fact,

183
00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,284
literally sitting on the side of the room, which they are,

184
00:11:26,284 --> 00:11:30,756
and now he made a rule that all the women on his staff need to sit at the table.

185
00:11:30,756 --> 00:11:33,666
The foundation I started along with the book Lean In

186
00:11:33,666 --> 00:11:37,111
helps women, or men, start circles -- small groups,

187
00:11:37,142 --> 00:11:39,651
it can be 10, it can be however you want, which meet once a month.

188
00:11:39,651 --> 00:11:43,742
I would have hoped that by now, we'd have about 500 circles. That would've been great.

189
00:11:43,742 --> 00:11:46,557
You know, 500 times roughly 10.

190
00:11:46,557 --> 00:11:50,109
There are over 12,000 circles in 50 countries in the world.

191
00:11:50,109 --> 00:11:51,284
PM: Wow, that's amazing.

192
00:11:51,284 --> 00:11:54,498
SS: And these are people who are meeting every single month.

193
00:11:54,498 --> 00:11:56,961
I met one of them, I was in Beijing.

194
00:11:56,961 --> 00:12:01,322
A group of women, they're all about 29 or 30, they started the first Lean In circle in Beijing,

195
00:12:01,322 --> 00:12:05,146
several of them grew up in very poor, rural China.

196
00:12:05,146 --> 00:12:11,416
These women are 29, they are told by their society that they are "left over,"

197
00:12:11,416 --> 00:12:13,412
because they are not yet married,

198
00:12:13,412 --> 00:12:16,919
and the process of coming together once a month at a meeting

199
00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:19,342
is helping them define who they are for themselves.

200
00:12:19,342 --> 00:12:22,155
What they want in their careers. The kind of partners they want, if at all.

201
00:12:22,155 --> 00:12:25,973
I looked at them, we went around and introduced ourselves,

202
00:12:25,973 --> 00:12:27,674
and they all said their names and where they're from,

203
00:12:27,674 --> 00:12:31,154
and I said, I'm Sheryl Sandberg, and this was my dream.

204
00:12:31,154 --> 00:12:33,274
And I kind of just started crying.

205
00:12:33,274 --> 00:12:34,194
PM: Right.

206
00:12:34,194 --> 00:12:36,858
SS: Which, I admit, I do. Right? I've talked about it before.

207
00:12:36,858 --> 00:12:42,151
But the fact that a woman so far away out in the world, who grew up in a rural village,

208
00:12:42,151 --> 00:12:45,816
who's being told to marry someone she doesn't want to marry,

209
00:12:45,816 --> 00:12:49,384
can now go meet once a month with a group of people and refuse that,

210
00:12:49,384 --> 00:12:52,286
and find life on her own terms.

211
00:12:52,286 --> 00:12:54,305
That's the kind of change we have to hope for.

212
00:12:54,305 --> 00:12:57,837
PM: Have you been surprised by the global nature of the message?


213
00:12:57,837 --> 00:13:00,865
Because I think when the book first came out, many people thought,

214
00:13:00,865 --> 00:13:04,616
well, this is a really important handbook for young women on their way up.

215
00:13:04,616 --> 00:13:08,962
They need to look at this, anticipate the barriers, and recognize them,

216
00:13:08,962 --> 00:13:11,734
put them out in the open, have the dialogue about it,

217
00:13:11,734 --> 00:13:16,807
but that it's really for women who are that. Doing that. Pursuing the corporate world.

218
00:13:16,807 --> 00:13:20,848
And yet the book is being read, as you say, in rural and developing countries.

219
00:13:20,848 --> 00:13:21,791
SS: Yeah.

220
00:13:21,791 --> 00:13:27,730
PM: What part of that has surprised you, and perhaps led to a new perspective on your part?

221
00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:31,515
SS: The book is about self-confidence, and about equality.

222
00:13:31,515 --> 00:13:35,571
And it turns out, everywhere in the world, women need more self-confidence,

223
00:13:35,571 --> 00:13:37,744
because the world tell us we're not equal to men.

224
00:13:37,744 --> 00:13:41,203
Everywhere in the world, we live in a world where the men get "and,"

225
00:13:41,203 --> 00:13:42,746
and women get "or."

226
00:13:42,746 --> 00:13:46,112
I've never met a man who's been asked how he does it all. (laughter)

227
00:13:46,112 --> 00:13:49,402
Again, I'm going to turn to the men in the audience:

228
00:13:49,402 --> 00:13:52,126
please raise your hand if you've been asked, how do you do it all?

229
00:13:52,126 --> 00:13:53,898
(laughter)

230
00:13:53,898 --> 00:13:55,283
Men only.

231
00:13:55,283 --> 00:13:59,407
Women, women. Please raise your hand if you've been asked how you do it all?

232
00:13:59,407 --> 00:14:06,396
We assume men can do it all, slash -- have jobs and children.

233
00:14:06,396 --> 00:14:08,344
We assume women can't, and that's ridiculous,

234
00:14:08,344 --> 00:14:12,290
because the great majority of women everywhere in the world, including the United States,

235
00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:14,139
work full time and have children.

236
00:14:14,139 --> 00:14:19,327
And I think people don't fully understand how broad the message is.

237
00:14:19,327 --> 00:14:23,827
There is a circle that's been started for rescued sex workers in Miami.

238
00:14:23,827 --> 00:14:28,286
They're using Lean In to help people make the transition

239
00:14:28,286 --> 00:14:33,257
back to what would be a fair life, really rescuing them from their pimps, and using it.

240
00:14:33,257 --> 00:14:37,530
There are dress-for-success groups in Texas which are using the book,

241
00:14:37,530 --> 00:14:39,282
for women who have never been to college.

242
00:14:39,282 --> 00:14:43,147
And we know there are groups all the way to Ethiopia.

243
00:14:43,147 --> 00:14:48,815
And so these messages of equality -- of how women are told they can't have what men can have --

244
00:14:48,815 --> 00:14:53,278
how we assume that leadership is for men, how we assume that voice is for men,

245
00:14:53,278 --> 00:14:56,724
these affect all of us, and I think they are very universal.

246
00:14:56,724 --> 00:14:58,278
And it's part of what TED Women does.

247
00:14:58,278 --> 00:15:02,183
It unities all of us in a cause we have to believe in,

248
00:15:02,183 --> 00:15:06,170
which is more women, more voice, more equality.

249
00:15:06,170 --> 00:15:12,920
PM: If you were invited now to make another TEDWomen talk,

250
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,230
what would you say that is a result of this experience, for you personally,

251
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:20,895
and what you've learned about women, and men,

252
00:15:20,895 --> 00:15:22,720
as you've made this journey?

253
00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,602
SS: I think I would say -- I tried to say this strongly,

254
00:15:27,602 --> 00:15:30,472
but I think I can say it more strongly --

255
00:15:30,472 --> 00:15:33,383
I want to say that the status quo is not enough.

256
00:15:33,383 --> 00:15:36,349
That it's not good enough, that it's not changing quickly enough.

257
00:15:36,349 --> 00:15:41,536
Since I gave my TED Talk and published my book, another year of data came out from the U.S. Census.

258
00:15:41,536 --> 00:15:43,880
And you know what we found?

259
00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,888
No movement in the wage gap for women in the United States.

260
00:15:45,888 --> 00:15:48,617
77 cents to the dollar.

261
00:15:48,617 --> 00:15:50,759
If you are a black woman, 64 cents.

262
00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:53,790
If you are a Latina, we're at 54 cents.

263
00:15:53,790 --> 00:15:55,479
Do you know when the last time those numbers went up?

264
00:15:55,479 --> 00:15:57,959
2002.

265
00:15:57,959 --> 00:16:02,748
We are stagnating, we are stagnating in so many ways.

266
00:16:02,748 --> 00:16:05,572
And I think we are not really being honest about that,

267
00:16:05,572 --> 00:16:08,724
for so many reasons. It's so hard to talk about gender.

268
00:16:08,724 --> 00:16:12,512
We shy away from the word "feminist," a word I really think we need to embrace.

269
00:16:12,512 --> 00:16:15,918
We have to get rid of the word bossy and bring back --

270
00:16:15,918 --> 00:16:19,124
(applause)

271
00:16:19,124 --> 00:16:23,278
I think I would say in a louder voice, we need to get rid of the word "bossy"

272
00:16:23,278 --> 00:16:25,791
and bring back the word "feminist," because we need it.

273
00:16:25,791 --> 00:16:26,739


274
00:16:26,739 --> 00:16:28,331
(applause and cheers)

275
00:16:28,331 --> 00:16:31,652
PM: And we all need to do a lot more leaning in.

276
00:16:31,652 --> 00:16:32,714
SS: A lot more leaning in.

277
00:16:32,714 --> 00:16:33,652
PM: Thank you, Sheryl.

278
00:16:33,652 --> 00:16:35,900
Thanks for leaning in and saying yes.

279
00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:36,846
SS: Thank you.

280
00:16:36,846 --> 00:16:38,899
(applause)