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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}preroll music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.58,0:00:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Our next talk
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.89,0:00:15.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is going to provide a\Nbit of introspection.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.95,0:00:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“We lost the war” has been the name
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.07,0:00:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a talk also by Rop and Frank
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.05,0:00:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the congress 10 years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.37,0:00:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is basically the\Nupdated version of that talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.02,0:00:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the next hour, we’ll hear about\Nthe past and current events as well
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.57,0:00:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the bold prediction\Nfor the future, I hear.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.08,0:00:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So please give a warm\Nwelcome to Rop and Frank!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.58,0:00:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.32,0:00:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: Thank you for being here!\NLet’s start with a very quick question:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.63,0:00:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who has seen, either\Nin person, or on video,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.42,0:00:58.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our talk from 10 years ago?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.55,0:01:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And who has read the\Ntext that belongs to it?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.27,0:01:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}chuckles{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.59,0:01:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok, thank you!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.01,0:01:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, 10 years ago, at the congress,\Nwe felt that we needed to talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.89,0:01:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the state of the world, about what\Nthe state of the hacker community is.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.87,0:01:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop and me are coming from\Nquite different backgrounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.56,0:01:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop is from Netherlands, \NI’m from East Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.74,0:01:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we have both our perspectives\Non the hacker culture
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.80,0:01:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the position of the hacker\Nculture in our world, but we share
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.76,0:01:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a rather common way of analysing\Nstuff and analysing the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.98,0:01:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the talk back then depressed\Nthe hell out of a lot of people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.99,0:01:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was just four years after 9/11
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.04,0:01:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people were not really\Nready to accept that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.11,0:01:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things are probably not\Ngonna be really good and nice
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.80,0:01:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the near future.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.09,0:01:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, the press had quite a\Nnumber of things to say;
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.71,0:02:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of them circled around the cover\Nof the “Datenschleuder” back then
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.86,0:02:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the text was published\Nthat belonged to the talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.72,0:02:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Hackers raising the white flag”,\N“Hackers giving up”, in this way.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.16,0:02:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which was not really what\Nwe intended, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.91,0:02:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we actually wanted to just say:
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.75,0:02:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Ok, reality is not looking too bright,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.12,0:02:24.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that doesn’t mean\Nwe need to be depressed.”
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.01,0:02:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is somewhat what\Nwe’re trying this year again.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.20,0:02:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}chuckles{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.61,0:02:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, one of the critics\Nthat we had in this talk
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.82,0:02:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was that we used the term “they”\Na little bit too losely.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.76,0:02:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“They” meaning\N“the others, the enemies”.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.65,0:02:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we just want to clarify up-front
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.70,0:02:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we don’t really believe\Nin large conspiracies.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.09,0:02:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world is too complex\Nfor large conspiracies.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.66,0:02:57.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no world government\Nthat does all these things;
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.07,0:03:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s not like the Illuminati are sitting\Nsomewhere with the Gnomes of Zurich
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.82,0:03:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and doing this stuff, but
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.62,0:03:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s also not like freedom and\Nliberty don’t have enemies!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.42,0:03:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As probably, many of you\Nhave seen the talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.55,0:03:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people who got incarcerated\Nin Guantanamo,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.35,0:03:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are people out there\Nwho really don’t believe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.27,0:03:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in freedom and democracy and they\Nare plenty, and they are powerful.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.13,0:03:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is what we meant with “they”.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.77,0:03:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}chuckles{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.75,0:03:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.64,0:03:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: The other criticism that we got is\Nthat you can’t really speak of a war,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.03,0:03:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upholding civil liberties, upholding\Ndemocracy is a perpetual fight.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.30,0:03:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to continuously fight,\Nthere is no winning, there is no losing,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.69,0:03:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is just this continuous struggle.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.24,0:03:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is of course true!\NThat criticism is completely right.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.55,0:03:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we argued and continue to argue
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.97,0:03:54.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there are certain things that are so\Nmuch easier to prevent than to undo
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.58,0:03:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that the introduction of\Nubiquitous general surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.50,0:03:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recording of everything,\Nis one of these things
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.77,0:04:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that grows power structures\Nwhich are incredibly hard to get rid of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.34,0:04:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it’s so much better to prevent.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.70,0:04:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that’s probably part of\Na class of events
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.70,0:04:14.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of turnings that are better to prevent
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.53,0:04:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than to have happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.33,0:04:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The drone war is the beginning\Nof the perpetual undeclared war
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.89,0:04:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fought by robots.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.23,0:04:25.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s something fundamentally\Nthat changed
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.23,0:04:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the West, when America\Nintroduced a system
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.24,0:04:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of black sites and torture happening\Nall over the world;
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.14,0:04:35.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prisons without any accountability\Nwhere people can be locked up for a decade
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.91,0:04:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without any trial, without anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.67,0:04:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course climate change\Nbrings possible tipping points,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.58,0:04:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe behind us, maybe still ahead of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.60,0:04:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are all events where,\Nyes, you can speak of war
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.89,0:04:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or at least of major battles,\Nand of winnings and losses, in that sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.84,0:04:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: So, essentially, what we said was:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.67,0:05:01.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“We lost the war when 9/11 happened.”
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.77,0:05:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was the war for taking\Nthe direct route to a positive utopia
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.61,0:05:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a utopia that is not from the\Ndystopian novels and computer games
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.11,0:05:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but is going straight to, yeah, the\Npositive world outcome. We lost that war.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.79,0:05:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, if we look back, 10 years later,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.16,0:05:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very few people will probably\Ndispute this finding.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.68,0:05:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when we look quickly back\Nat the predictions that we made
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.27,0:05:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were mostly right.\NSo the economy tanked 3 years later
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.71,0:05:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the brittle system\Nof banking nearly collapsed
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.45,0:05:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was just by hair breadth rescued
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.51,0:05:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by means that really nobody\Nunderstands anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.58,0:05:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the one thing that we were\Nwrong about so far is the price of oil
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.72,0:05:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, miraculously, currently is very low.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.43,0:05:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still nobody really understands\Nwhy this is truly the case.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.08,0:06:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is utterly bizarre.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.11,0:06:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, democracy, if you look at\Nwhat has happened to democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.77,0:06:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Western societies
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.68,0:06:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is hard to argue that \Ndemocracy has made large progress.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.28,0:06:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the contrary, what we see is,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.40,0:06:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in many countries\Ndemocracy is on the way out,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.75,0:06:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is no longer the preferred\Nsystem of government for many people.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.23,0:06:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The security state, we can see it\Nin our everyday lives, it is encroaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.08,0:06:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meanwhile, you need to\Npass security check gates
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.02,0:06:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you want to board\Na train in several countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.65,0:06:35.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ubiquitous surveillance is there.\NWe have data retention.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.100,0:06:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the security state is\Nmaking large progress.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.26,0:06:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we said back then, about\Nclimate and the refugees,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.29,0:06:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has largely been vindicated.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.21,0:06:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at the weather\Npatterns that we have:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.97,0:06:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today even in Reykjavik, they have now\Na storm with over 300 km/h
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.27,0:06:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is coming in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.21,0:07:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don’t have winter anymore in Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.46,0:07:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it is becoming kind of obvious
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.26,0:07:05.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the climate is not right anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.89,0:07:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the refugees that are being\Ncaused by this climate change
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.58,0:07:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are around the corner.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.25,0:07:16.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, another thing that\Nwe were talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.81,0:07:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was surveillance and whistleblowers,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.95,0:07:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the need for that, we come\Na little bit later to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.15,0:07:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: This talk is not going\Nto be as depressing as the one in 2005,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.20,0:07:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not because the subject\Nmatter is less depressing
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.29,0:07:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or has become better all of a sudden
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.35,0:07:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because more people are used to\Nthe world being the way it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.47,0:07:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s no longer... we no longer need\Nto shock an audience into a world we see,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.82,0:07:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is completely different from\Nthe world that most people perceive.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.26,0:07:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the goal for this talk is to get\Na large group of mostly very smart people
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.97,0:07:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– being you and whoever watches this –
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.83,0:07:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be as happy and as politically\Nproductive as possible
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.78,0:08:03.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in an environment that is still\Ngoing to be increasingly dystopian.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.65,0:08:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when we talk about\Na dystopian environment
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.08,0:08:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most important issue that is pressing,\Nimmediate, and involves all of humanity,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.04,0:08:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, of course, climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.09,0:08:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F: So what we see is not so much
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.09,0:08:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a direct global warming but a\N“global weirding”.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.21,0:08:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means, that the weather patterns\Nare shifting. The Hadley Cells, which is
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.51,0:08:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way the water goes up and where\Nthe water goes down, are shifting.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.28,0:08:31.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means that the livelyhoods of many\Npeople who are depending on agriculture
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.42,0:08:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are threatened. And we don’t know
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.92,0:08:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where these patterns will be moving.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.13,0:08:44.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one thing that we can see\Nis that future generations
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.31,0:08:48.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will look back at us as the guilty party.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.29,0:08:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are the people, in their eyes,\Nin the eyes of our children,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.27,0:08:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we and our parents were the people \Nwho basically fucked up the planet,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.36,0:08:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably beyond repair.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.19,0:09:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.16,0:09:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the one thing that we\Nwould like to call you on
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.46,0:09:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is taking this responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.26,0:09:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what we see now with the\NSyrian war is just the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.69,0:09:20.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is just the early wars
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.99,0:09:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have a strong climate component
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.44,0:09:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can see in many more\Nconflicts that are rising.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.27,0:09:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So most of the Arab spring had\Na large component of food riots,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.96,0:09:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of food prices going up,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.02,0:09:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was certainly to a large\Nextent also speculation,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.81,0:09:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also draught, meaning lack of\Nwater in large parts of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.22,0:09:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there will be many more.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.18,0:09:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is no real way to\Nescape this reality any more.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.52,0:09:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: This planet is largely a crime scene.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.04,0:10:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fossil fuel industry,\Nwho have known about this
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.16,0:10:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the 1970s,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.02,0:10:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needs to be killed or needs to be...\Ntheir bottom line
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.73,0:10:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needs to be hurt significantly\Nbecause a lot of the carbon that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.97,0:10:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they’re currently getting out of the Earth\Nneeds to stay there and not be burned.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.58,0:10:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The technology to change our energy\Ninfrastructure is already there,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.34,0:10:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solar is already profitable or\Nnear profitable in a lot of places,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.80,0:10:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to fight conflicts that are
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.76,0:10:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to have components\Nin fighting in courts,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.52,0:10:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have components in fighting\Nin demonstrations in the streets,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.50,0:10:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to take charge of these issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.76,0:10:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at what’s currently happening\Nwith the fossil fuel industry,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.96,0:10:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s a lot like the tobacco industry.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.37,0:10:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have known for so\Nlong that this was going on,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.10,0:10:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have prevented\Nthe correct policy response
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.38,0:10:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by hiding the science,\Nby muddling the image,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.81,0:11:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you have responsibility, and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.16,0:11:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is damage,\Nyou are culpable for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.51,0:11:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also techno-optimism is\Na problem in our circles.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.26,0:11:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many people think: “Well, we screwed up\Nthis planet maybe, but we have spacecraft,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.52,0:11:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can go to other planets,\Nthere’s other worlds!”
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.74,0:11:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn’t work. There are no\Nhabitable planets in our reach
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.64,0:11:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there won’t be\Nfor generations to come.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.05,0:11:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So no matter how bad\Nthings may get on Earth,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.38,0:11:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s still not going to be anywhere near\Nas inhospitable, on a bad day,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.86,0:11:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it will be on Mars\Non the best possible day.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.75,0:11:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See? That’s a positive message, huh?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.07,0:11:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.16,0:11:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.55,0:11:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: Yeah, I mean, the core\Nof the hacker culture is:
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.39,0:11:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,breaking stuff, fixing things.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.74,0:11:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this planet, if you can say so,\Nis our spaceship,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.96,0:12:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it really needs fixing.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.13,0:12:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this is something that we see
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.42,0:12:07.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the hacker community\Nor hacking community
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.58,0:12:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can do much more.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.66,0:12:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you look at [from] where\Nthe refugees are coming
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.72,0:12:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for what reasons they are coming,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.19,0:12:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see that there is a lot of regions that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.31,0:12:23.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will become hard to live in
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.47,0:12:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so either because there is\Ntoo much water, there’s too little water,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.56,0:12:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ground turns into swamps,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.22,0:12:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so these countries will\Nbe massively struggling
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.58,0:12:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with how to feed their population,\Nhow to give them space to live,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.06,0:12:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there’s a lot of stuff to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.90,0:12:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for technological minded people with\Norganisational capabilities
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.97,0:12:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like our community is,\Nto help these people.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.94,0:12:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to prevent also the dystopian\Nstreak that governments
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.47,0:13:00.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usually take on when they\Nare in emergency situations.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.47,0:13:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at the larger refugee camps,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.65,0:13:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is a massively dystopian set-up.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.32,0:13:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So people are wearing wristbands to\Nregister at every checkpoint,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.65,0:13:16.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are limited in their\Nrange of movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.61,0:13:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are just barely fed and\Nhoused and that’s about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.67,0:13:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that means that a world that\Nis in constant emergency mode
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.94,0:13:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a really hard time\Nto be a democratic society.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.06,0:13:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But on top of that, the West,\Nthe Western countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.26,0:13:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but increasingly also China,\Nand the other upcoming
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.46,0:13:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,larger powers, have their\Nhands in pushing countries
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.92,0:13:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into chaos, so we have seen now\Na large sequence of things
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.64,0:13:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that end up with Syria and Libya,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.15,0:13:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where under the disguise of\Nbringing forward democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.88,0:13:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with drones, countries are\Nessentially pushed into chaos.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.69,0:14:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because no one took responsibility of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.64,0:14:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,setting up structures,\Nsetting up stability,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.12,0:14:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making sure that the people there
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.25,0:14:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually end up not in\Na much worse situation
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.12,0:14:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than they have been in before.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.01,0:14:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the human rights\Nand the managing of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.88,0:14:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,migration is in direct conflict\Nwith the economic interest
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.09,0:14:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the arms industry. If we look at
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.04,0:14:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is selling these\Narms it’s mostly Western
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.15,0:14:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries and Russia. And we are\Nselling these arms to countries
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.73,0:14:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Saudi Arabia which will be the next
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.76,0:14:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,large conflict zone. And which\Ndon’t have any democratic control.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.63,0:14:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we just do that under the disguise of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.38,0:14:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providing stability to regions.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.21,0:14:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And while bombing\Ncountries into democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.59,0:14:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fortunately has become very much unpopular
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.35,0:14:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is also why the arms\Nindustry is pushing so much
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.59,0:14:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for drones. Because drones can fly around
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.72,0:14:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not destabilize countries for oil
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.28,0:15:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not causing body bags coming home.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.15,0:15:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it would be wrong to\Nsay that US foreign policy
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.84,0:15:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been a failure. It has not.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.12,0:15:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you look at the core interest \Nbehind this foreign policy
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.41,0:15:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is happening there, basically\Ncountries being un-balanced,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.42,0:15:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody really being able to concentrate\Ntheir power to challenge their hegemony,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.42,0:15:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this has been largely a success.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.69,0:15:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, sure, there has been\Na lot of chaos around,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.34,0:15:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but economically, and\Nfor the arms industry
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.48,0:15:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in these countries,\Nespecially in the US and the UK,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.37,0:15:44.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also other Western countries,\Nthis has been a very successful decade.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.31,0:15:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it’s not like their policies\Nhave been failures.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.25,0:15:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: {\i1}quietly, to Frank{\i0}\NDo you want to put this ?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.39,0:16:00.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next slide I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.37,0:16:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: Yeah, one of the\Nthings that are the tools
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.20,0:16:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of foreign policy\N{\i1}scoffs{\i0} in the West
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.80,0:16:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is of course ubiquitous surveillance\Nand we had...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.08,0:16:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2005, we wrote that we need
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.35,0:16:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to know how the intelligence\Nagencies work today,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.34,0:16:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to know how the backdoors work,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.60,0:16:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how that is done in large scale.\NThat was 2005.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.33,0:16:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we also wrote that we need
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.97,0:16:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the infrastructure to\Nharbour whistleblowers,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.31,0:16:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make it possible for\Npeople from the dark side to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.45,0:16:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come forward, and get\Nthis information out.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.11,0:16:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least on this, it has been a success.\N{\i1}scoffs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.44,0:16:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This we can say.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.30,0:16:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.55,0:17:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we now know much more about
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.88,0:17:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the surveillance works, and\N– but does it really help?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.13,0:17:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: For most people, looking at the\NSnowden revelations, it’s like
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.57,0:17:13.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovering a new force of nature.\NIt’s like they have discovered
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.57,0:17:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this whole universe\Nthat they didn’t previously know about,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.99,0:17:21.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there’s this “deep state” level\Nof logic, of thinking, of diplomacy,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.92,0:17:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how countries really interact,\Nthat now many more people know about.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.94,0:17:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was considered paranoid,\Nwhat was considered:
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.75,0:17:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Oh my god, this is like a really\Ncynical way of looking at things!”
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.94,0:17:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– now, many more people can see the\Ndocuments, be they diplomatic cables,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.88,0:17:41.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or be they the Snowden revelations,\Nand they can look and they can see:
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.61,0:17:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Look, this is really how\Nthe world works.”
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.66,0:17:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, leaking alone is not sufficient.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.78,0:17:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s – as we can now see –\Nthere’s too much systemic corruption,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.40,0:17:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too many secrets, too many\Nanti-leaker laws and measures.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.85,0:18:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We’re going to need true transparency\Nlaws and we’re going to need to be able
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.17,0:18:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to trust our governments and our\Nparliaments to do the right thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.16,0:18:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was this naive belief that\Nif the scandal is big enough,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.85,0:18:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the system will finally correct itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.87,0:18:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we see is the opposite. We see a\Nscandal of the magnitude of Watergate
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.60,0:18:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every week or every two weeks\Nand nothing is happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.07,0:18:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to cope with that,\Nwe need to come up with new strategies.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.86,0:18:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s like the paranoid movies\Nwhere finally the protagonist
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.17,0:18:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets to the president, and tells\Nthe conspiracy to the president, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.59,0:18:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finds out in, sort of, in shadowy\Nwords, he can find out
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.42,0:18:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the president is already\Npart of the conspiracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.17,0:18:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the Snowden revelations came out it\Nwas quickly clear that our governments
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.00,0:18:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were not shocked, they were not like,\N“Oh my god, our intelligence agencies
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.88,0:18:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are really out of control! We need to do\Nsomething!” No, they were like:
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.62,0:18:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“No, there’s nothing going on here,\Nkeep moving, pay no attention.”
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.27,0:18:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we really need to come up\Nwith strategies to deal with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.35,0:18:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: So essentially their reaction was,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.95,0:19:02.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was one of the first from when the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.65,0:19:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NSA was confronted by\Nthe German government,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.49,0:19:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their answer was:\N“So, ok, now you know.”
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.24,0:19:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}scoffs{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.10,0:19:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that was about it.\NSo what we have is the situation
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.42,0:19:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it looks like transparency alone\Ndoesn’t help anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.02,0:19:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had somehow hoped that...\NIt was also one of the naive beliefs
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.79,0:19:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the early internet times, that\Ntransparency alone, “If people just knew”,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.10,0:19:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if people knew the problems,\Nthe things, they would act,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.51,0:19:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would get their stuff together\Nand, yeah, basically, change the system.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.03,0:19:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it turned out that this\Nwas a quite naive belief.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.00,0:19:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that doesn’t mean that\Ntransparency is not important.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.85,0:19:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turns out that transparency\Nis like basic hygiene,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.41,0:19:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s like brushing your teeth,\Nlike taking a shower for society.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.98,0:20:02.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you don’t have a transparency\Nof power and the power structures
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.44,0:20:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of what interests are\Nbeing conceived by whom,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.49,0:20:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the tools of surveillance are,\N“who knows what”,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.12,0:20:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you cannot have a democracy anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.80,0:20:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because the world has become\Nso complex that it’s very easy
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.33,0:20:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hide relatively sinister\Ninterests within society.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.96,0:20:26.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We even have the problem now that,\Nif you have a proper conspiracy
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.69,0:20:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– a small one! –\Nif you make it complex enough,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.11,0:20:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the scandal cannot be told\Nwithin one print page
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.84,0:20:38.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or one scroll range on the web site.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.10,0:20:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then it’s hard to have it\Nas a scandal anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.44,0:20:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is also part of the reason why\Nthe Snowden revelations were kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.34,0:20:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difficult to turn into concrete\Naction for the larger society.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.71,0:20:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one thing that we need to keep in mind
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.48,0:20:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that even the well meaning\Npeople in government
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.35,0:21:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in bureaucratic institutions\Nreally need transparency
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.83,0:21:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep things in check, so it’s not\Nlike transparency is useless or is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.20,0:21:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that we\Nshould give up as a goal,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.96,0:21:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we need to understand\Nit has a different meaning,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.85,0:21:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a different purpose than\Nwhat we originally thought.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.86,0:21:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the question is will this apathy last?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.70,0:21:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what will happen\Nwhen people start realizing
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.48,0:21:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the surveillance that they have\Nbeen trained to ignore somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.46,0:21:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be in everything that they own.\NWhen the “internet of things”
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.52,0:21:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starts for real – we have\Nbasically network sensors
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.89,0:21:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in everything we own – then, suddenly,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.58,0:21:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world becomes treacherous.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.11,0:21:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So everything that you own,\Nevery door that you open,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.13,0:21:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everytime that you go to the fridge – if\Nyou have an “internet of things” fridge –
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.58,0:22:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then your fridge will snitch on you.\N{\i1}chuckles{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.64,0:22:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And tell somebody that you opened\Nit and what you took out of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.21,0:22:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if... the question is if this\Nmaybe will change things.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.07,0:22:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s an open question to me. I don’t know.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.31,0:22:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So maybe the people\Nwill stay in this apathy
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.79,0:22:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not change their attitudes\Nbut maybe there is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.95,0:22:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a critical mass point where people say
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.83,0:22:25.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Now, it’s enough. It’s enough.”
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.09,0:22:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, maybe we need a seal:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.32,0:22:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Certified cloud-less object”\Nor something.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.13,0:22:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need to stick on stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.13,0:22:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.18,0:22:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is also one of the things that\Nthe hacker community is being asked for,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.88,0:22:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as, actually, we are the ones... the\Nhacking people are the ones that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.55,0:22:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can actually do this, making\Nobjects cloud-less again,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.09,0:22:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}chuckles{\i0}\Nif needed.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.12,0:22:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we look at the progress of technology\Nwe can see that facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.87,0:23:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including mood detection,\Nmicro-expression detection,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.30,0:23:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrared blood-flow detection\Nwill become very cheap,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.23,0:23:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will be everywhere. And we\Nneed to have countermeasures.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.30,0:23:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that means for\Ninstance also cooperation
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.57,0:23:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the artists who\Nmake clothing, who make
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.18,0:23:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make-up, who do all the\Nstuff that you can legally
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.95,0:23:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still wear in the public domain, and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.70,0:23:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think about, with them, what we can do\Nagainst this ubiquitous surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.67,0:23:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that brings me to the core question:
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.17,0:23:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what is our mission\Nas a hacking community?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.48,0:23:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I used to define this saying:
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.36,0:23:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are partly responsible for maintaining
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.37,0:23:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society’s capability for change.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.32,0:23:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To keep the wiggle rooms open,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.82,0:23:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep the capabilities\Nfor political actors
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.72,0:23:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who want to change the\Nsociety for the better,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.39,0:23:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make that still possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.88,0:24:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not being strangled by surveillance, not\Nbeing frozen in place by lack of options
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.03,0:24:03.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people cannot do anything anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.45,0:24:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because every step that\Nthey do is registered;
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.47,0:24:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything that they do\Nleads to potential blackmail.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.14,0:24:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Evgeny Morozov has\Nrecently written about that,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.66,0:24:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said that’s the\N“invisible barbed wire”
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.41,0:24:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is basically around\Nyou and that is made up
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.52,0:24:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the data that you leave\Nso that restricts your options,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.62,0:24:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it restricts your room of\Nmovement and you’re not really
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.71,0:24:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,realizing that, unless you run\Nagainst the invisible barbed wire.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.09,0:24:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this question of\N“blackmailability” versus transparency
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.05,0:24:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– we want to have as much privacy\Nas we can as individuals,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.34,0:24:54.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we want to have the institutions that\Nhave power as transparent as possible –
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.05,0:24:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is in the core of the\Nstruggle for a free society.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.48,0:25:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, giving the\Nindividual the right,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.18,0:25:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or keeping our rights,\Nfor change, for movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.76,0:25:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for making things better
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.70,0:25:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,versus the institutions’ capabilities\Nto keep stuff secret from us.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.12,0:25:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one of the core\Nstruggles that we have.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.76,0:25:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the intelligence agencies know stuff\Nabout those in power.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.79,0:25:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know what is blackmailable.\NAnd the interesting thing is that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.63,0:25:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number of blackmailable offenses\Nhas been shrinking recently.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.61,0:25:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That has basically shrunk to:\Nvery clear corruption,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.61,0:25:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pedophilia, and tax evasion.\NWith everything else, you can get away.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.60,0:25:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, as a politician, drug use\Nis no problem, affair is no problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.79,0:25:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having strange hobbies:\Nabsolutely no problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.73,0:25:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.54,0:26:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Homosexuality\N– no problem anymore, very good!
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.65,0:26:07.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, those people in\Nthe security apparatus
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.58,0:26:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that evaluate politicians\Nand look at them,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.84,0:26:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and look what they can find against them
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.65,0:26:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the black’n’old chambers –\Nwe don’t know.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.81,0:26:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we don’t know most\Nof what politicians do.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.70,0:26:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, sometimes, we learn that\Nthey have bizarre habits
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.18,0:26:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving their genitalia and pigs,\Nwhich is, from my perspective,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.58,0:26:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their private thing to do, but\Nwhat’s more interesting is that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.20,0:26:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the circle of men there did, was\Ncreating a shared “Kompromat”,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.41,0:26:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a shared knowledge about each other\Nthat was so painful back then
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.00,0:26:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to publish, to divulge, that they had,\Nbasically, mutually assured destruction
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.39,0:26:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against each other.\NThis is how power circles work.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.53,0:26:58.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the intelligence agencies know this\Nas well, and they want to get in there,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.25,0:27:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have very limited\Nresources to find out if politicians
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.57,0:27:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are in the hands of intelligence agencies.\NWe can just look for the patterns.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.62,0:27:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if a politician suddenly\Nchanges his course
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.61,0:27:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on matters that the “deep state”\Nintelligence agencies
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.86,0:27:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are concerned about, then we can be pretty\Ncertain that they have something
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.14,0:27:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against him that falls into the\N“still blackmailable” category.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.94,0:27:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why did Cameron survive this thing?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.34,0:27:34.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because everybody who\Ncould have overthrown him
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.75,0:27:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was part of the same circle.\N{\i1}chuckles{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.50,0:27:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they were all part of the same\Ngame and they knew about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.20,0:27:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they created a space of\Ninvincibility around them.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.24,0:27:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, the question then is, \N“Why does it all matter so little?”
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.38,0:27:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are all these big scandals that we\Nknow about, all this corruption, all these
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.74,0:28:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things, where we know that\Npoliticians really misbehaved,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.29,0:28:05.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except for these three cases,\Nbut even then –
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.09,0:28:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why is nobody rioting on the streets?\NWhy is nobody calling out a revolution
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.90,0:28:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just now, why is it that\Npeople are just saying:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.53,0:28:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Yeah, this is how it is,\Nthis is how it has been
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.75,0:28:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the time and we cannot\Ndo anything about it?”
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.18,0:28:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: For that, we have to look\Nat the psychology of our time.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.21,0:28:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We live in what circles around\Nthe “Adbusters Magazine”,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.83,0:28:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Adbusters collective, described\N– and I thought that was really useful –
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.15,0:28:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they describe our time as a massively\Npolluted psychological environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.29,0:28:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it makes sense to\Nthink about it that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.64,0:28:42.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have mechanisms for discourse in\Nsociety and those mechanisms are
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.53,0:28:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deliberately sabotaged, by\Nlobbying, advertising, sock-puppeting,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.53,0:28:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the destruction of debate,\Nand the destruction
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.23,0:28:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the human ability to think properly,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.04,0:28:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is very widespread in our societies.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.64,0:29:01.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s no more proper discourse,\Nthere’s no proper facts,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.63,0:29:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there’s trends that counter\Nany scientific thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.76,0:29:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or enlightenment – anti-vaccination,\Nanti-science, anti-fact...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.59,0:29:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a lot of thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.83,0:29:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that rejects a common truth or rejects\Na common reality that we live in,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.01,0:29:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tries to find niches, tries to do...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.37,0:29:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tries to retract into something
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.37,0:29:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can still believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.46,0:29:35.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need some kind of a rationality\Nmovement. We need some kind of a movement
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.02,0:29:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say: “Look, we can disagree on policy,\Nwe can disagree on a lot of things,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.54,0:29:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but let’s not disagree\Non facts. Let’s not...”
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.36,0:29:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And America is of course the capital of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.75,0:29:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what has been described\Nas “bullshit mountain”,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.33,0:29:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as whole universes that\Nare internally consistent
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.93,0:29:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– universes of fake\Nfacts, of fake realities,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.14,0:30:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of fake, and we need to reject those.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.23,0:30:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much of science, of the\Nscientific enterprises,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.82,0:30:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at this point is very captured, economy is
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.33,0:30:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically run by the large banks.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.49,0:30:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still: that doesn’t mean we can reject
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.86,0:30:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the practice of science, just because it’s\Ncurrently not in the right hands, often.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.67,0:30:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facts are important.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.28,0:30:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it’s also important to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.98,0:30:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that being angry or unhappy
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.15,0:30:34.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now, for prolonged periods,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.39,0:30:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a recognized medical condition.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.96,0:30:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at the world, and for\Na year or two years at a time,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.89,0:30:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this world makes you really depressed,\Nor angry, or unhappy,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.19,0:30:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can go to the doctor and\Nyou can get medication for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.85,0:30:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lots of people, 5% or 10%\Nof the population in some countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.18,0:30:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are on antidepressants.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.78,0:30:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the people that cannot function,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.54,0:31:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they basically do not want to go to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.68,0:31:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we – and this is an open question –\Nare we suppressing a critical mass?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.55,0:31:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because at some point, when there is no\Nother people that don’t wanna go to work,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.69,0:31:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and start a movement, or, I don’t know,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.31,0:31:17.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,riot in the streets, or do whatever\Nelse it is that they would be doing,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.81,0:31:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they don’t go to work. If you have\Nenough of these people, not doing that,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.10,0:31:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it becomes the right decision\Nfor the lonely person that is out there
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.40,0:31:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to also take antidepressants.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.44,0:31:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our community – we have to face this –\Nhas a large pool
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.03,0:31:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what I would call\Nnon-neuro-normative people.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.10,0:31:39.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are lots of people in our community\Nthat are on the autistic sprectrum,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.95,0:31:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are bipolar, that are...\Nthere is lots of people
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.54,0:31:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are not the standard norm,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.42,0:31:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to their neurology.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.89,0:31:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does that mean?\NWhat does this mean in practice?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.56,0:31:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hasn’t it always been the artists,\Nthe slightly crazy people,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.15,0:32:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the slightly non-normative people,\Nthat have seen things coming first,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.38,0:32:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have warned about things first?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.64,0:32:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are things we need to think about.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.61,0:32:12.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: Another thing that we need to\Ntake care about in our community is:
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.75,0:32:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t\Nmean that they’re not out to get you”
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.60,0:32:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,holds more true than ever.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.77,0:32:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we have now in our midth...,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.80,0:32:27.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our middle quite a number of\Npeople who are actually harassed
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.99,0:32:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the governments. So if you look at\Nthe people from Occupy in the US,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.53,0:32:38.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically the refugee waves that\Nare coming in from the US,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.39,0:32:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the political refugees that\Nare coming from there.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.26,0:32:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They’re coming now also\Nfrom Hungary and Poland.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.80,0:32:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People who have really been\Noppressed and really experienced
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.53,0:32:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of harassment from the\Nhands of their governments.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.61,0:32:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we need to be also clear\Nthat the more crypto that we use,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.56,0:32:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the better our technical\Nsecurity systems get,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.01,0:33:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more classic the intelligence\Nagencies will get as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.54,0:33:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means more informants.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.70,0:33:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we need to figure out ways to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.89,0:33:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort the needlessly paranoid and\Nslightly crazy people from the people
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.09,0:33:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who really have a problem with\Noppression and being followed around.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.23,0:33:20.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So informants are tools of power.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.73,0:33:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to talk about the power\Nstructures that are using them.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.09,0:33:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you look at the larger picture,\Nwe have basically 3 major models
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.35,0:33:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of society that we have\Non this planet today.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.32,0:33:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s more the US\NAyn Rand ultra-individualistic
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.86,0:33:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance state system, that says\Nthat everything that you can do
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.06,0:33:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for yourself is good for you and\Nthe state surveils everybody else
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.58,0:33:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so stuff stays within\Nthe prescribed limits.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.59,0:34:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we have the Chinese model of the\Nharmonic society, that essentially says:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.88,0:34:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we can keep this 100 000 people\Nhappy, it’s okay to kill this 1000 people.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.32,0:34:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And is... yeah... another way of saying
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.72,0:34:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,utilitaristic usage of power is justified.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.16,0:34:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we have the European\Nmodel, that is more on a traditional
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.05,0:34:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of enlightenment, of individualism,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.72,0:34:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of balancing out state power\Nand economic power.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.40,0:34:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But none of these models is\Nreally superior against the other
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.07,0:34:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because all of them are deeply corrupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.41,0:34:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all of them have been corrupted\Nby various interests
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.65,0:34:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we can not solve the corruption\Nof the political process,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.20,0:34:44.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then all these models kind of converge.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.05,0:34:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it doesn’t really matter any more,\Nif you are living under a Chinese
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.05,0:34:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance state or\Na US surveillance state.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.40,0:34:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you can watch better\Npornography in one than in the other,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.17,0:34:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that’s about probably it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.32,0:35:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so... and if we can not get\Nthis corruption out of the systems,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.85,0:35:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless under what systems we live,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.25,0:35:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the problems will not go away.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.45,0:35:15.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, we should understand that\Nsurveillance, ubiquitous surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.38,0:35:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means that we have less and\Nless small scale corruption.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.80,0:35:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically small briberies\Nto get your passport faster,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.51,0:35:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to get the building permit done,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.94,0:35:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but surveillance means that the\Ncorruption needs to be large scale.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.10,0:35:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s the billions, not the\Nhundreds of Dollars or Euros
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.08,0:35:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you’re talking about. That means...\Nthe surveillance state means that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.25,0:35:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,larger and larger interests are at\Nplay and that these are the ones
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.69,0:35:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are dominating the state.\NAnd these are harder and harder to fight.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.52,0:35:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So fighting the small corruption of a\Ncorrupt official in your hometown
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.34,0:35:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is doable.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.97,0:35:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fighting a large multi billion dollar\Nweapons manufacturer
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.78,0:36:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is becoming slightly more complicated.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.57,0:36:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we have tried to... to visualize
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.71,0:36:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the situation somewhat.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.40,0:36:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have this graph where we have
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.34,0:36:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the one axis liberty,\Ndemocracy, civilization,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.10,0:36:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the other one we have time.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.21,0:36:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we... what we want...
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.13,0:36:29.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: Don’t kill yourself just yet!\NThere’s more positive messages out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.18,0:36:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: Yes!\N{\i1}is laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.70,0:36:36.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what we don’t know is how\Nlong will it be till rock bottom,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.89,0:36:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don’t know what will be coming later,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.80,0:36:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if it will go down further\Nor will go up at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.98,0:36:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we also don’t know\Nhow deep the valley will be.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.34,0:36:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So but, what is pretty sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.35,0:36:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that stuff will not be\Nreally rosy for a while.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:55.71,0:37:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you look at the tendencies in the\Nworld that we have briefly discussed now,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.10,0:37:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn’t really...\Nit’s not really possible to say:
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.73,0:37:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Okay, revolution next week,\Nthings will be good again.”
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.25,0:37:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this would be just a lie.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.78,0:37:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need to understand,\Nthat the next decades
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.41,0:37:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be more greyish than\Nbeautiful, in that sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.51,0:37:20.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there will be lots of §$%&.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.100,0:37:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, that doesn’t mean, that they can\Nnot be good fulfilling decades for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.21,0:37:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn’t mean that we need\Nto be depressed about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.49,0:37:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s just the world that we live in\Nand the world we live in we can
Dialogue: 0,0:37:33.99,0:37:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change to a certain extent\Nbut not by wishful thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.21,0:37:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: Yeah!\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.96,0:37:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let’s look at a few trends.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.88,0:37:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Terrorism is now the main reason why we\Nneed to be discarding basic civil rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.71,0:37:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I remember being a child in the 1970s
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.42,0:38:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my parents tuning into\Nthe morning broadcast to hear
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.40,0:38:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether the hostages in the train or the\Nhostages in the school in Holland...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.92,0:38:12.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a conflict with Moluccans
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.21,0:38:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanting there own state and they took\Nhostages and they were threatening
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.31,0:38:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to shoot them.\NConflicts lasted for weeks.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.28,0:38:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many more people died\Nof terrorism in Europe
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.17,0:38:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the 1960s and 70s than they did in the\N80s and 90s and onward.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.32,0:38:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But nobody spoke about\Ndiscarding basic civil rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.20,0:38:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? Because it was simply too expensive.\NI think we can say that now.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.33,0:38:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in that time it was seen as\Nridiculous for the East German state
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.87,0:38:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to want to know who sent mail to\Nwho or to open all these envelopes.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.60,0:38:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was seen as\Ntypical things that only
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.16,0:38:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a police state would ever\Ncontemplate on doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.21,0:38:50.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these things are being implemented\Nnow. Why? Because it’s cheap enough!
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.77,0:38:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was all cost driven,\Nnot danger driven!
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.63,0:39:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.78,0:39:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can see long term strategies.\NWe can see strategies that span decades,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.09,0:39:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the treaties, the internationally\Nharmonised legislation,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.75,0:39:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ACTA, CESA, cybercrime treaties,\NTTIP... what not... what not... etc. etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.82,0:39:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They used to cement the\Neconomic status quo,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.82,0:39:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they used to increase\Nsurveillance and repression.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.17,0:39:26.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it’s like they figured out the\Nstrategy. There is now a treaty train
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.55,0:39:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leaving every year or two years and\Nit’s to wear down the activists.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.14,0:39:34.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything that the activists\Nmanaged to get off the train
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.78,0:39:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just put on the next train.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.56,0:39:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See if you can mobilise the same things,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.72,0:39:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same level of\Nactivism two years later.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.35,0:39:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How often do we need to\Nmobilise the same fight
Dialogue: 0,0:39:45.21,0:39:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fight the same damn\Nunconstitutional laws?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.93,0:39:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is very necessary\Nactivism that is... always
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.68,0:39:57.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has this “Act now to stop this\Nevil law from coming into effect.”
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.85,0:40:00.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s very important! It needs to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.35,0:40:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it may not be enough. We don’t have\Nready-to-go answers; maybe, there is a few
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.71,0:40:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideas we have, and other people have,\Nbut we need clever and funny strategies.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.40,0:40:13.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I’m often called a pessimist and
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.75,0:40:15.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Oh my god it’s all doom and gloom.”
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.95,0:40:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But a lot of what’s going on in the world\Nright now is actually very funny.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.50,0:40:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s funny in a very dark way.\NIt’s a very dark humour.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.51,0:40:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you can not look at this world\Nand go “Oh my god, this is...”.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:27.36,0:40:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s so stereotypical. And we\Nhave to make people see this.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.77,0:40:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to be the clowns.\NWe have to make people see this.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.54,0:40:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the Interior Minister says:
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.42,0:40:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Well, parts of my answer would\Nmake the population insecure.”
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.75,0:40:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing, applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.88,0:40:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that deserves roaring laughter\Nfrom the entire population,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:50.30,0:40:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘cause it’s the only thing that will work.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.26,0:40:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.54,0:41:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what we also need is, we\Nneed to dare to dream ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:03.51,0:41:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is... A lot of strategies\Nin activism are incremental,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.58,0:41:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning we are here, we want\Nto go there, so let’s chop this up
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.97,0:41:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into 10 little pieces and then\Nstart working on the first two.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:13.14,0:41:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas in reality we are not\Nhere, because there is so much
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.97,0:41:18.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chaos going on. There are\Nso many events happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.22,0:41:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are actually all\Nover the place all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.59,0:41:25.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need to build strategies that\Nassume that we are not in the place,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.75,0:41:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we are in today. But we assume\Nwe are somewhere completely different.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.79,0:41:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes we win.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.05,0:41:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have very few strategies\Nfor when people we like
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.86,0:41:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or people who’s ideas we agree with\Nactually get to power.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.54,0:41:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we know what laws we\Nwould like to have repealed?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.17,0:41:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What new laws would\Nwe like to have passed?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:44.36,0:41:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have we maybe taken the time\Nto write these laws already?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.11,0:41:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though they are ridiculous today?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.99,0:41:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there an Anti-Patriot-Act?\NIs there an... ?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.10,0:41:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We’ve tried to work on\Na few of these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.57,0:41:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’ve been personally a part\Nof thinking about IMMI,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.14,0:42:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.32,0:42:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was an idea: can we create a\Nsystem of laws to protect publications?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.86,0:42:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anywhere from whistleblower protection,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:07.48,0:42:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protection of journalists,\Nprotection of publications.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.92,0:42:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So can we make a system of laws and\Ncan we figure out how they would all
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.88,0:42:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work together to protect publications\Nin one country and then
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.22,0:42:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through sort of a spreading effect\Nmake that go to other countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.56,0:42:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to... we need\Nto dare to think ahead!
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.24,0:42:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to not just always react and\Nalways be driven into this little corner,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.03,0:42:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we have to fight a way out of.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:32.70,0:42:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In many countries discontent with the\Npowers that be, with the way things are,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.26,0:42:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is growing. In some countries that\Nleads to left wing movements
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.96,0:42:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,growing or getting...\Neven getting to power.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.58,0:42:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s things going on in Portugal,\Nin Spain, in the UK,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.87,0:42:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where Corbyn is now\Nleading the Labour Party.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.25,0:42:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other countries and powers those\Nthat challenge the status quo
Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.78,0:42:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or say they challenge the status quo
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.42,0:43:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with even more fear and anti-immigrant\Nsentiments and policies.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.61,0:43:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the US interestingly we\Nsee both trends happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.69,0:43:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in an increasingly bizarre\Ncorporate media landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.26,0:43:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there’s all these things happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.14,0:43:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: Yeah so, one of the things\Nthat changed in the last 10 years is:
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.39,0:43:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stuff can change very, very quickly.\NSo stuff, situations,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.55,0:43:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reality can change very, very fast.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.03,0:43:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, let’s look\Nat the refugee situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.59,0:43:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just a year or two ago what has been\Nhappening in Europe in the last month,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.46,0:43:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be... have been\Ntotally unimaginable.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.62,0:43:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is no security
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.47,0:43:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the rest of the herd still grazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.14,0:43:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you see stuff is nice and\Nwell over here in Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.42,0:43:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is becoming more and more of an\Nexception in the surrounding countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.91,0:43:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that doesn’t mean that stuff\Ncan not change here very quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.77,0:44:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is something that we need to get\Nadjusted to. That the stability is gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.20,0:44:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the stability, the dampness of the\Nsystem are all gone and that means that
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.31,0:44:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these sudden turns of events can\Nalso make oppressive regimes
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.24,0:44:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like in Poland or in Hungary or commonly\Nseen in France more powerful.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.92,0:44:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we can not guarantee that\Nchange is positive in every way.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.79,0:44:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you look at the increased pressures
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.11,0:44:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the population, we see that
Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.72,0:44:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problems that are multiplying\Nfrom automation on the one hand;
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.16,0:44:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the other hand more and more people
Dialogue: 0,0:44:44.85,0:44:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not having their talents valued by\Nthe market, by the job market any more
Dialogue: 0,0:44:49.57,0:44:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the pressures that are now\Ncoming in with the refugees
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.16,0:44:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will make right wing powers\Nprobably more powerful.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.28,0:45:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the question is:\NIn this fight for power
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.59,0:45:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Western countries that will\Nbecoming more pronounced political fights
Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.76,0:45:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do we position ourselves?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:07.71,0:45:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does the hacking community\Nposition itself in these fights?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.84,0:45:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So will we engage? Will we fight? How?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.32,0:45:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the... yeah... what is the means
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.49,0:45:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the goals that we are aiming for?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.35,0:45:27.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the world today is uniquely\Nconnected and complicated.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:27.64,0:45:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So any solutions are going to be complex.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.49,0:45:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means we need\Na generation of activists
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.81,0:45:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is post-depression\Nabout the situation
Dialogue: 0,0:45:36.31,0:45:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that doesn’t have\Nany fear of complexity.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.80,0:45:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So complexity is the new norm.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.32,0:45:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not like things or simple solutions\Nwill be around the corner any more.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:47.46,0:45:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This time is gone forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.09,0:45:57.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: So, we did this talk in 2005\Nand it was, in many ways it was taboo.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.67,0:46:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of congress was depressed\Nfor a while or at least
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.45,0:46:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people were walking around\Nwith gloomy faces.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:05.48,0:46:10.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was then and there still is\Ntoday a myth in the progressive community,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:10.85,0:46:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a story must have a happy end.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:13.35,0:46:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to get large groups of people
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.91,0:46:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come together and fight to make change,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.37,0:46:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to present a happy end.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.93,0:46:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is bullshit!
Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.48,0:46:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause, cheering{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.76,0:46:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem with that message is\Nthat you create a disconnect
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.82,0:46:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the reality that people can see,\Na reality where outcomes are gradually
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.49,0:46:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting worse in some\Nfields and the world
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.37,0:46:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are told to believe in.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:46.88,0:46:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everybody is hiring PR professionals
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.95,0:46:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and PR professionals are... their job\Nis to keep everybody consuming.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.55,0:46:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So their job is to present happy outcomes.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.47,0:46:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their job is to keep people\Nto spend their money.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.73,0:47:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we tend to believe\Nthese people, when they say:
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.58,0:47:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Well you must have a happy outcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.37,0:47:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let’s all... Let’s tell\Npeople that if they don’t
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.89,0:47:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,buy the right light bulbs and\Ndon’t get their electricity
Dialogue: 0,0:47:10.91,0:47:13.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the right provider and buy a Prius
Dialogue: 0,0:47:13.02,0:47:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then they’re themselves responsible\Nfor any bad outcomes that happen.”
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.38,0:47:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So shame everybody into believing\Nthat the bad outcome is actually them.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.08,0:47:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s a frame that we should reject.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:23.21,0:47:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We’ve been warning progressive people,\Nthat have seen things coming, about
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.15,0:47:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what’s going on right now since the 1970s.\NThe coming of the police state, the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.70,0:47:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that planetary resources are limited,\Nthere’s limits to growth. That’s 1972.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.79,0:47:43.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was 4 years old. So let’s not\Nfall for this kind of messaging.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.63,0:47:52.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: The question is then:\NWhat is our mission?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:52.61,0:47:55.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the stuff that we should aim for?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.87,0:47:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one thing that should\Nbe very clear about is
Dialogue: 0,0:47:59.24,0:48:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this planet is a crime scene.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.20,0:48:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this also means that...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:04.27,0:48:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.58,0:48:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the thing to say to the people responsible\Nis: so for decades we have made it
Dialogue: 0,0:48:12.06,0:48:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very clear that we don’t\Nwant to live in an 1984
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.34,0:48:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,environmental degraded police state.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.24,0:48:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We saw it coming but we went there anyway,\Nbecause it was short-term profitable
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.08,0:48:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your corporate friends\Nwere very well off with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.81,0:48:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So please, now, step aside, place\Nyour hands where we can see them
Dialogue: 0,0:48:31.61,0:48:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we will read you your rights, while we\Ntry to mitigate the shit that you caused
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.52,0:48:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as best as we can.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.17,0:48:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.28,0:48:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the forces that made the world\Nas it is today are not natural laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.86,0:48:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not like this greed\Nand this corruption
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.61,0:48:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the native state of humanity.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.25,0:48:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is just what people made it to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.38,0:48:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, the people who\Ndid it are nameable.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:59.30,0:49:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we know that the fossil fuel industry\Nknew since the 70s and 80s
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.38,0:49:06.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they were basically\Ncausing planetary collapse,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:06.95,0:49:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they were causing the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.84,0:49:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go down for their corporate profits.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:12.89,0:49:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that also means that we\Nneed to preserve the evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:16.71,0:49:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we may not be yet in the position\Nthat we can cause prosecution
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.15,0:49:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these people, but this\Ntime will certainly come,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.02,0:49:26.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hopefully before our children\Nare too old for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.02,0:49:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, we don’t need to really fight
Dialogue: 0,0:49:28.24,0:49:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their silly PR efforts to still\Npreserve their profits.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.44,0:49:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what we need to do is collect\Nthe evidence and let them know
Dialogue: 0,0:49:34.41,0:49:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we collect the evidence and\Nthat we will use it some time.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:38.61,0:49:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.18,0:49:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in the 80s we thought\Nthat all change is good.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.32,0:49:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So because the world was\Nkind of frozen in place so that
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.43,0:49:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially in our fields, in technology\Nand telecommunications,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:56.40,0:49:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we thought that all change is good,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:59.64,0:50:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now we need to remind ourselves\Nthat not all change is bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:03.89,0:50:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So because when we are in a world that we
Dialogue: 0,0:50:07.04,0:50:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that may not be getting\Nmuch better soonish,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:12.54,0:50:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sudden impulse would be to revert to
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.40,0:50:17.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conservatism saying\Nare we try to cliiing to
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.85,0:50:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the status quo and not try\Nto have too much change,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.29,0:50:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this would be wrong, because\Nchange can also be for the better.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:25.31,0:50:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this absence of\Nstability is the new norm.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.17,0:50:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to live with that. And we need\Nto work for making positive change,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.32,0:50:39.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because change itself\Ncan no longer be averted.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.69,0:50:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: Yeah, we need to define missions\Nfor ourselves and argue for them
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.81,0:50:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be worthwhile, personally as well as\Nin the bigger picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.76,0:50:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Picture a world were... yes, some\Noutcomes may be negative
Dialogue: 0,0:50:52.79,0:50:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or things may be getting worse, but\Nyou can do meaningful stuff in the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:56.79,0:51:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life-saving, democracy-rescuing,\Nworld-changing sense of the word.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.08,0:51:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No fake utopian outcomes,\Nno lies to tell people,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.06,0:51:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but still very positive at the personal\Nlevel for each and everyone of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.95,0:51:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The sense of belonging to a\Ncommunity like the one we have,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.81,0:51:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but other communities as well,\Nis going to become more important.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.27,0:51:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In difficult times people\Nwill come together.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.00,0:51:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s great happiness in the sense\Nof purpose to be found in caring
Dialogue: 0,0:51:22.84,0:51:26.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for your friends, sharing\Nknowledge and experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:26.33,0:51:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially if things\Nget a little bit hairy.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.05,0:51:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even if we end up\Nin a bad possible future,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.19,0:51:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if things degrade, if\Ninfrastructure starts to fail,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.99,0:51:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if that happens, the hacker\Nmindset is – I’ve said this before –
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.48,0:51:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a post-apocalyptically \Nappropriate way of thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.09,0:51:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn’t you run to your hackerspace,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:50.72,0:51:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if things really went wrong?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:52.57,0:51:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wouldn’t it... if the world\Nwent down in chaos,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.47,0:52:00.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would really want it to happen somewhere\Nat the end of December, because
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.97,0:52:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you all would be the people\NI would want to be around.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:05.44,0:52:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.37,0:52:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to think of this\Ncommunity as having a role,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.28,0:52:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when things go wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:21.27,0:52:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many of us have taken on these roles.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:25.42,0:52:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was travelling to some of\Nthe Eastern European countries
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.01,0:52:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Serbia, to Croatia to see\Nsome of the refugee situations
Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.32,0:52:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my own eyes.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:38.99,0:52:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think many more\Nof us need to be there.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.69,0:52:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There can’t be just one guy from Zagreb\Nrunning around with wireless modems
Dialogue: 0,0:52:46.01,0:52:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to connect all the\Npeople that are trying
Dialogue: 0,0:52:48.51,0:52:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help there and try to\Ndisseminate information.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:50.90,0:52:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many more of us need\Nto be in these situations.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.83,0:53:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:53:03.03,0:53:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: And so, we have been following
Dialogue: 0,0:53:07.28,0:53:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the strategy of enlarging our cultural,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.37,0:53:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or culture, the hacking culture\Nover the last many years.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.86,0:53:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You probably noticed that from...\NI don’t know, if you look back at
Dialogue: 0,0:53:19.41,0:53:24.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Eidelstedter Bürgerhaus, the\Ncongress was still looking a bit drab,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:24.43,0:53:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas now we have an... artists and\Npeople from the various cultural domains
Dialogue: 0,0:53:29.96,0:53:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an integrated part of our\Ncommunity, of our culture.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:34.98,0:53:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is essentially\Nwhat we need to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:38.63,0:53:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you look at the last,\Nback at the last 10 years
Dialogue: 0,0:53:41.79,0:53:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the stuff that was made working
Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.18,0:53:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the alliance between the hackers,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:48.49,0:53:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the journalists, investigative\Njournalists, and the artists.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:52.14,0:53:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is something that is working\Nnow. This is a big achievement.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:55.68,0:54:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that we can say: This is something\Nwhere we managed to grow our culture,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:02.53,0:54:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so growing from a couple 100 people in\Nsome old community building in Hamburg,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.37,0:54:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now we’re having 12 000 people and could\Nbe 15 000 if this house would house us.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:12.43,0:54:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a big change.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.82,0:54:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is also something\Nwe can be proud of.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:18.81,0:54:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:54:25.88,0:54:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we want to form further alliances,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.70,0:54:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we need to... in order to succeed
Dialogue: 0,0:54:33.91,0:54:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to actively stop\Nthe trend that people are
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.56,0:54:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,choosing minor bickering fights.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:40.04,0:54:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That they are more interested in\Nfighting the heretics in their own ranks,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:45.11,0:54:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the people who are not\Nusing the words that they like
Dialogue: 0,0:54:48.96,0:54:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that are finding\Ndifferent stuff important.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:52.53,0:54:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we’re all having more\Nor less the same goals
Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.60,0:54:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is basically what makes us a culture,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.24,0:55:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that we’re having the same ideas about
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.89,0:55:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the general structure of\Nsociety how it should be,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:03.72,0:55:06.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same ideas how people should interact
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.04,0:55:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the rights of the individuum.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.70,0:55:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we should actively try\Nto stop fighting each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:13.14,0:55:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we are not each other’s enemy.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:18.34,0:55:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:55:28.12,0:55:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The enemy is something different.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.34,0:55:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have seen quite a number of people
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.51,0:55:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who tried to
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.14,0:55:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find the heretics
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.44,0:55:46.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as their main goal in life,\Nas their enemy in life
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.75,0:55:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ended up in finding\Nno real purpose any more.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:52.62,0:55:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because when they\Nsolved this one “problem”,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:56.85,0:56:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they still ended up with having\Nnot solved the bigger problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.44,0:56:02.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have seen the same thing happening
Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.91,0:56:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for more and more smaller issues like
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.14,0:56:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,animal rights, people finding out okay...
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.61,0:56:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or human environment\Npeople not finding solutions,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:14.30,0:56:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can really bring forward,\Nbecause the problems are bigger than
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.33,0:56:22.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their individual... and smaller\Nproblems that they’re trying to fight.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.75,0:56:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need to look at the bigger picture.\NAnd this is essentially the problem
Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.31,0:56:30.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need to solve as\Na community, as a culture
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.95,0:56:34.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep focused on the bigger\Npicture and not trying to fight
Dialogue: 0,0:56:34.39,0:56:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our little wars among each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.57,0:56:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What editor is the best?\NWhat Linux distribution is the best?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:41.86,0:56:46.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What programming language is the best?\NWhat way of gendering is the best?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:46.27,0:56:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are meaningless fights. This is\Nnothing worth spending your energy on.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.85,0:56:57.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:57:05.15,0:57:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, ...
Dialogue: 0,0:57:11.51,0:57:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: We need to be aware\Nthat there are money aspects
Dialogue: 0,0:57:15.61,0:57:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and social economic\Ntensions within our culture.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.18,0:57:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things are different than\Nthey were 20, 30 years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.47,0:57:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the economy of\Nour subculture has changed,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:25.96,0:57:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because our community is\Nmuch wider and broader.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:30.30,0:57:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many younger people do not\Nhave the kind of stability,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:33.33,0:57:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that many of the now older\Npeople in this crowd have.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.37,0:57:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hardcore hardware and software hackers\Nthat have established themselves usually
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.41,0:57:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not have a problem making a living in\Ntoday’s project oriented job economy.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:45.30,0:57:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But many who came to our cultural\Nspace in the last years are designers,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:48.89,0:57:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they’re artists. They’re\Nfrom other adjacent fields.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:53.80,0:57:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They’re living more and\Nmore precariously, because
Dialogue: 0,0:57:57.29,0:58:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their competition in their fields is much\Nmore fierce. We need to take care of this
Dialogue: 0,0:58:01.86,0:58:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least where we can to keep our\Ncommunity economically accessible.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:05.28,0:58:06.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:58:06.69,0:58:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means...\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.32,0:58:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...we encourage various forms of economic\Ncooperation to make sources of income
Dialogue: 0,0:58:16.03,0:58:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more widely accessible.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.50,0:58:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hackerspaces are not just the new\Nuniversities, they’re also the new co-ops.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.28,0:58:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means solidarity between people\Nof different skill sets and talents.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:29.28,0:58:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we need to grow the economic\Nfootprint of this community,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:32.56,0:58:35.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applying more of our thinking\Nand our skills to problems outside of
Dialogue: 0,0:58:35.100,0:58:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the core field of IT: agriculture,\N
Dialogue: 0,0:58:39.25,0:58:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy, transportation. In essence,\Nlet there not be an interesting field
Dialogue: 0,0:58:43.72,0:58:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out there that does not have a\Nhackerspace dedicated to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:48.54,0:58:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.15,0:58:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: So, in closing:
Dialogue: 0,0:58:58.61,0:59:02.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are headed for some very rough times.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:02.59,0:59:06.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s undeniable but it doesn’t mean\Nthat we can not have a lot of fun on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:06.91,0:59:10.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we know, the surf is good\Nwhen the waves are getting bigger.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.55,0:59:18.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And...\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.55,0:59:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes in many places just keeping
Dialogue: 0,0:59:21.32,0:59:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ideas of political freedom\Nalive is a political act.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:26.03,0:59:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically our mission is\Nto keep the torch burning,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:29.62,0:59:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so to keep the ideas of freedom,\Nof individual rights,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.71,0:59:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a society that’s transparent\Nand just alive.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:39.26,0:59:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our community is uniquely\Npositioned to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.93,0:59:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can build the tools\Nto make the activists
Dialogue: 0,0:59:45.48,0:59:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and political activists capable\Nof still effecting change.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:50.50,0:59:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are the ones who can develop\Nnew forms of communications.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:53.53,0:59:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at this whole\Npodcast universe for instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:56.47,0:59:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was essentially\Ncreated in our community
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.20,1:00:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is reaching many more people now
Dialogue: 0,1:00:01.89,1:00:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with political education than\Ncommon forms have been before.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:06.43,1:00:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or if you look at just the\Nopen-source movements
Dialogue: 0,1:00:09.24,1:00:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are more as running our planet now.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.53,1:00:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we are the people who are responsible
Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.22,1:00:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a large extent for\Neffecting a better outcome.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:17.02,1:00:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is something that we\Nneed to take responsibility for.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:21.01,1:00:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rop: So in closing really: No!
Dialogue: 0,1:00:24.30,1:00:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There will probably not be a revolution\Nmagically manifesting itself next Friday.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:30.33,1:00:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably also no Zombie Apocalypse.\NBut still we need to be ready
Dialogue: 0,1:00:34.43,1:00:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for rapid and sizeable\Nchanges of all sorts of kinds.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:38.67,1:00:43.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the only way to be effective in this\Nand probably that’s our mission
Dialogue: 0,1:00:43.39,1:00:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a community is to play for the long\Nterm, develop a culture that is more fun
Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.70,1:00:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more attractive to more people,\Ndevelop infrastructure and turn around
Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.52,1:00:54.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and offer that infrastructure\Nto people that need it.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.21,1:00:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not a thing we do as\Na hobby so much any more.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.84,1:01:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s also something we do for people\Nthat need this infrastructure.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:01.05,1:01:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Create a culture that’s capable of putting\Nup a fight, that gives its inhabitants
Dialogue: 0,1:01:05.59,1:01:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sense of purpose, so forth,\Nusefulness and enlarge that culture
Dialogue: 0,1:01:09.87,1:01:13.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over time, until it becomes a viable\Nalternative to the status quo.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:13.77,1:01:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess that was it.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:15.39,1:01:17.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank: Thank you!\NRop: Thank you!
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