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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.74,0:00:03.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chris Anderson: Dr. Jane Goodall, welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.88,0:00:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jane Goodall: Thank you,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.07,0:00:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think, you know,\Nwe couldn't have a complete interview
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.12,0:00:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless people know Mr. H is with me,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.27,0:00:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because everybody knows Mr. H.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.16,0:00:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Hello, Mr. H.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.65,0:00:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In your TED talk 17 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.95,0:00:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you warned us about the dangers\Nof humans crowding out the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.70,0:00:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there any sense in which you feel
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.60,0:00:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the current pandemic\Nis kind of, nature striking back?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.49,0:00:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: It's very, very clear\Nthat these zoonotic diseases,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.60,0:00:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the corona and HIV/AIDS
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.54,0:00:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all sorts of other diseases\Nthat we catch from animals,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.92,0:00:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's partly to do\Nwith destruction of the environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.10,0:00:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, as animals lose habitat,\Nthey get crowded together
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.10,0:00:58.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes that means that a virus\Nfrom a reservoir species,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.40,0:01:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which lived harmoniously\Nfor maybe hundreds of years,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.45,0:01:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jumps into a new species,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.51,0:01:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you also get animals being pushed\Ninto closer contact with humans.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.67,0:01:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes one of these animals\Nthat [unclear] can --
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.66,0:01:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, provides the opportunity\Nfor virus to jump into people,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.92,0:01:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and create a new disease, like COVID-19.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.99,0:01:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in addition to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.03,0:01:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are so disrespecting animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.90,0:01:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We hunt them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.53,0:01:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we kill them, we eat them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.89,0:01:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we traffic them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.42,0:01:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we send them off\Nto the wild-animal markets
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.83,0:01:40.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Asia,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.02,0:01:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they're in terrible,\Ncramped conditions, in tiny cages,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.44,0:01:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people being contaminated\Nwith blood and urine and feces,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.81,0:01:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideal conditions for a virus\Nto spill from an animal to an animal,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.46,0:01:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or an animal to a person.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.22,0:01:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I'd love to just dip\Nbackwards in time for a bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.51,0:02:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because your story is so extraordinary.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.41,0:02:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, despite the arguably\Neven more sexist attitudes of the 1960s,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.54,0:02:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somehow you were able to break through
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.31,0:02:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and become one of the world's\Nleading scientists,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.67,0:02:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovering this astonishing\Nseries of facts about chimpanzees,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.20,0:02:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as their tool use and so much more.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.28,0:02:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was it about you, do you think,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.92,0:02:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allowed you to make\Nsuch a breakthrough?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.98,0:02:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the thing is,\NI was born loving animals,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.25,0:02:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the most important thing was,\NI had a very supportive mother.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.42,0:02:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She didn't get mad when she found\Nearth worms in my bed,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.08,0:02:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she just said they better be\Nin the garden.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.60,0:02:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she didn't get mad\Nwhen I disappeared for four hours
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.32,0:02:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she called the police,\Nand I was sitting in the hen house,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.28,0:02:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because nobody would tell me\Nwhere the hole was where the egg came out.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.79,0:02:47.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had no dream of being a scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.07,0:02:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because women didn't do\Nthat sort of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.50,0:02:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, there weren't any man\Ndoing it back then, either.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.76,0:02:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And everybody laughed at me except Mom,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.72,0:02:58.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who said, "If you really want this,\Nyou're going to have to work awfully hard,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.41,0:03:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take advantage of every opportunity,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.16,0:03:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you don't give up,\Nmaybe you'll find a way."
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.40,0:03:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And somehow, you were able to kind of,\Nearn the trust of chimpanzees
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.56,0:03:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the way that no one else had.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.18,0:03:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Looking back, what were the most\Nexciting moments that you discovered
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.83,0:03:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what is it that people\Nstill don't get about chimpanzees?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.29,0:03:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the thing is,\Nyou see things nobody else had,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.32,0:03:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get their trust -- nobody else had tried.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.27,0:03:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quite honestly.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.03,0:03:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, basically, I used the same techniques
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.01,0:03:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I had to study the animals\Naround my home when I was a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.62,0:03:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just sitting, patiently,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.20,0:03:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not trying to get too close too quickly,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.66,0:03:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that was awful, because the money\Nwas only for six months.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.27,0:03:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you can imagine how difficult\Nto get money for a young girl
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.46,0:03:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with no degree,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.65,0:03:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to go and do something as bizarre\Nas sitting in a forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.47,0:03:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, finally,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.96,0:04:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we got money for six months\Nfrom an American philanthropist,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.02,0:04:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I knew with time\NI'd get the chimps's trust,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.94,0:04:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but did I have time?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.51,0:04:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And weeks became months\Nand then finally, after about four months,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.04,0:04:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one chimpanzee began to lose his fear
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.83,0:04:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was he that on one occasion I saw,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.96,0:04:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still wasn't really close,\Nbut I had my binoculars,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.15,0:04:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I saw him using and making tools\Nto fish for termites.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.34,0:04:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And although I wasn't terribly surprised,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.17,0:04:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I've read about things\Ncaptive chimps could do,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.18,0:04:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I knew that science believed
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.19,0:04:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that humans, and only humans\Nused and made tools.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.60,0:04:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I knew how excited Leakey would be.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.82,0:04:42.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was that observation
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.58,0:04:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that enabled him to go\Nto the National Geographic,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.67,0:04:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said, "OK, we'll continue\Nto support the research,"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.74,0:04:53.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they sent Hugo Van Lawick,\Nthe photographer-filmmaker,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.93,0:04:56.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to record what I was seeing.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.59,0:05:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of scientists\Ndidn't want to believe the tool-using.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.03,0:05:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, one of them said\NI must have taught the chimps.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.12,0:05:05.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.02,0:05:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since I couldn't get near them,\Nit would have been a miracle.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.94,0:05:11.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, once they saw Hugo's film
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.57,0:05:15.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that with all my descriptions\Nof their behavior,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.02,0:05:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the scientists had to start\Nchanging their minds.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.39,0:05:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And since then,\Nnumerous other discoveries,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.03,0:05:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that placed chimpanzees much closer\Nto humans than people cared to believe,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.63,0:05:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I saw you say at one point\Nthat they have a sense of humor.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.01,0:05:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How have you seen that expressed?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.70,0:05:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, you see it\Nwhen they're playing games,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.97,0:05:39.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a bigger one\Nplaying with a little one,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.43,0:05:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he's trailing a vine around a tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.83,0:05:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And every time the little one\Nis about to catch it,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.71,0:05:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the bigger one pulls it away,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.69,0:05:48.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the little one starts crying
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.50,0:05:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the big one starts laughing.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.28,0:05:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.41,0:05:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And then, Jane, you observed\Nsomething much more troubling,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.33,0:06:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was these instances\Nof chimpanzee gangs,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.58,0:06:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tribes, groups, being brutally\Nviolent to each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.71,0:06:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm curious how you process that?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.37,0:06:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And whether it made you, kind of,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.61,0:06:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, depressed about us,\Nwe're close to them,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.19,0:06:23.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did it make you feel\Nthat violence is irredeemably
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.02,0:06:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of all the great apes, somehow?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.38,0:06:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, it obviously is.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.99,0:06:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my first encounter\Nwith human, what I call evil,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.66,0:06:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was at the end of the war,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.32,0:06:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the pictures from the holocaust.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.12,0:06:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, that really shocked me.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.76,0:06:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That changed who I was.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.06,0:06:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was 10 I think, at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.36,0:06:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when the chimpanzees,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.89,0:06:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I realized they have this\Ndark, brutal side,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.04,0:06:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought they were like us but nicer.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.57,0:06:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I realized\Nthey're even more like us
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.18,0:06:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than I had thought.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.72,0:07:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at that time, in the early '70s,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.70,0:07:03.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was very strange,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.93,0:07:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aggression, there was a big thing
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.60,0:07:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about is aggression innate or learned.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.74,0:07:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it became political.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.46,0:07:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was, I don't know,\Nit was a very strange time,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.92,0:07:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was coming out, saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.60,0:07:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No, I think aggression is definitely
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.16,0:07:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of our inherited\Nrepertoire of behaviors."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.29,0:07:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I asked a very respected scientist\Nwhat he really thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.96,0:07:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he was coming out\Non the clean slate,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.38,0:07:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aggression is learned,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.89,0:07:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said, "Jane, I'd rather not talk\Nabout what I really think."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.03,0:07:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a big shock as far as\Nscience was concerned for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.78,0:07:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I was brought up to believe a world\Nof all things bright and beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.37,0:07:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, numerous beautiful films\Nof butterflies and bees and flowers,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.92,0:07:55.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know, nature\Nis this gorgeous landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.89,0:08:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many environmentalists\Noften seem to take the stance,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.93,0:08:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yes, nature is pure,\Nnature is beautiful, humans are bad,"
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.07,0:08:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then you have the kind of\Nobservations that you see,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.76,0:08:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you actually look\Nat any part of nature in more detail,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.61,0:08:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see things to be\Nterrified by, honestly.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.98,0:08:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you make of nature,\Nhow do you think of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.43,0:08:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how should we think of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.86,0:08:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Nature is, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.86,0:08:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you think of the whole\Nspectrum of evolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.83,0:08:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's something about going\Nto a pristine place,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.54,0:08:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Africa was very pristine\Nwhen I was young.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.18,0:08:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there were animals everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.14,0:08:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I never liked the fact\Nthat lions killed,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.05,0:08:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have to, I mean, that's what they do,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.60,0:08:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they didn't kill animals,\Nthey would die.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.42,0:08:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the big difference\Nbetween them and us, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.13,0:08:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they do what they do\Nbecause that's what they have to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.06,0:08:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can plan to do things.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.40,0:09:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our plans are very different.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.22,0:09:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can plan to cut down a whole forest
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.27,0:09:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we want to sell the timber,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.77,0:09:10.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or because we want to build\Nanother shopping mall,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.13,0:09:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.34,0:09:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So our destruction of nature\Nand our warfare,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.17,0:09:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're capable of evil\Nbecause we can sit comfortably
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.01,0:09:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and plan the torture of somebody far away.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.97,0:09:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's evil.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.17,0:09:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chimpanzees have a sort of primitive war,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.93,0:09:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they can be very aggressive,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.49,0:09:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's of the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.90,0:09:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's how they feel.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.43,0:09:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's response to an emotion.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.75,0:09:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So your observation\Nof the sophistication of chimpanzees
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.50,0:09:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't go as far as what\Nsome people would want to say
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.93,0:09:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the sort of the human superpower,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.67,0:09:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being able to really simulate\Nthe future in our minds in great detail
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.61,0:09:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make long-term plans.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.40,0:09:57.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And act to encourage each other\Nto achieve those long-term plans.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.78,0:10:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That that feels, even to someone\Nwho spent so much time with chimpanzees,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.26,0:10:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that feels like a fundamentally\Ndifferent skill set
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.45,0:10:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we just have to take\Nresponsibility for
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.63,0:10:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and use much more wisely than we do.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.47,0:10:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Yes, and I personally think,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.37,0:10:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, there's a lot\Nof discussion about this,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.69,0:10:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it's a fact that we developed\Nthe way of communication
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.62,0:10:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you and I are using.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.43,0:10:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because we have words,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.53,0:10:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, animal communication\Nis way more sophisticated
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.97,0:10:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than we used to think.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.16,0:10:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.24,0:10:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can learn human sign language of the Deaf.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.79,0:10:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we sort of grow up speaking\Nwhatever language it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.27,0:10:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I can tell you about things\Nthat you've never heard of.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.90,0:10:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a chimpanzee couldn't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.48,0:10:49.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can teach our children\Nabout abstract things.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.73,0:10:51.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And chimpanzees couldn't do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.58,0:10:55.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes, chimpanzees can do\Nall sorts of clever things,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.27,0:10:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so can elephants and so can crows\Nand so can octopuses,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.93,0:11:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we design rockets\Nthat go off to another planet,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.53,0:11:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and little robots taking photographs,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.11,0:11:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've designed this extraordinary way\Nof you and me talking
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.91,0:11:13.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our different parts of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.08,0:11:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was young, when I grew up,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.74,0:11:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no TV,\Nthere were no cell phones,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.58,0:11:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no computer.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.44,0:11:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was such a different world,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.93,0:11:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a pencil, pen\Nand notebook, that was it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.56,0:11:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So just going back\Nto this question about nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.40,0:11:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think about this a lot,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.01,0:11:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I struggle with this, honestly.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.22,0:11:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So much of your work,\Nso much of so many people who I respect,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.43,0:11:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is about this passion for trying\Nnot to screw up the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.24,0:11:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is it possible, is it healthy,\Nis it essential, perhaps,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.12,0:11:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to simultaneously accept\Nthat many aspects of nature
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.99,0:11:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are terrifying,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.97,0:11:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also, I don't know, that it's awesome,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.86,0:12:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that some of the awesomeness\Ncomes from it's potential to be terrifying
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.06,0:12:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it is also just\Nbreathtakingly beautiful,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.96,0:12:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we cannot be ourselves,\Nbecause we are part of nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.73,0:12:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot be whole
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.15,0:12:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless we somehow embrace it\Nand are part of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.45,0:12:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Help me with the language, Jane,\Non how that relationship should be.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.24,0:12:26.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, I think one of the problems is,\Nyou know, as we developed our intellect,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.36,0:12:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we became better and better
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.03,0:12:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at modifying the environment\Nfor our own use,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.47,0:12:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and creating fields and growing crops
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.29,0:12:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it used to be forest or woodland,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.50,0:12:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know, we won't go into that now,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.34,0:12:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have this ability to change nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.92,0:12:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as we've moved more\Ninto towns and cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.36,0:12:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and relied more on technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.38,0:12:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many people feel so divorced\Nfrom the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.100,0:12:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's hundreds,\Nthousands of children
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.60,0:13:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,growing up in inner cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.32,0:13:04.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there basically isn't any nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.09,0:13:08.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is why this movement now\Nto green our cities is so important.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.16,0:13:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, they've done experiments,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.54,0:13:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it was in Chicago,\NI'm not quite sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.83,0:13:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there were various empty lots
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.90,0:13:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a very violent part of town.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.72,0:13:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in some of those areas\Nthey made it green,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.78,0:13:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they put trees and flowers\Nand things, shrubs in these vacant lots.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.82,0:13:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the crime rate went right down.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.21,0:13:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then of course,\Nthey put trees in the other half.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.93,0:13:38.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it just shows, and also,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.90,0:13:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there have been studies done\Nshowing that children
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.68,0:13:45.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really need green nature\Nfor good psychological development.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.87,0:13:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we are, as you say, part of nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.13,0:13:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we disrespect it, as we are,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.37,0:13:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is so terrible for our children
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.33,0:13:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their children's children,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.84,0:14:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we rely on nature\Nfor clean air, clean water,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.87,0:14:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for regulating climate and rainfall.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.47,0:14:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look what we've done,\Nlook at the climate crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.25,0:14:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's us.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.43,0:14:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did that.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.61,0:14:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So a little over 30 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.27,0:14:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you made this shift from scientist mainly\Nto activist mainly, I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.02,0:14:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.32,0:14:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Conference in 1986,\Nscientific one, I got my PhD by then
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.85,0:14:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was to find out\Nhow chimp behavior differed, if it did,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.59,0:14:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from one environment to another.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.15,0:14:34.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were six study sites across Africa.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.58,0:14:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we thought, let’s bring\Nthese scientists together
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.30,0:14:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and explore this,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.69,0:14:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was fascinating.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.25,0:14:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we also had a session on conservation,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.91,0:14:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a session on conditions\Nin some captive situations
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.80,0:14:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like medical research.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.91,0:14:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those two sessions\Nwere so shocking to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.20,0:14:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to the conference a a scientist,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.80,0:14:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I left as an activist.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.36,0:15:02.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't make the decision,\Nsomething happened inside me.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.21,0:15:05.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So you spent the last 34 years
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.75,0:15:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of tirelessly campaigning\Nfor a better relationship
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.42,0:15:11.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between people and nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.68,0:15:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What should that relationship look like?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.98,0:15:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, you know, again you come up\Nwith all these problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.82,0:15:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People have to have space to live.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.62,0:15:29.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think the problem is
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.76,0:15:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we've become,\Nin the affluent societies,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.32,0:15:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,too greedy.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.76,0:15:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, honestly, who needs\Nfour houses with huge grounds?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.04,0:15:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And why do we need\Nyet another shopping mall?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.72,0:15:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so on and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.44,0:15:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we are looking\Nat short-term economic benefit,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.45,0:15:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,money has become a sort of god to worship,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.53,0:15:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we lose all spiritual connection\Nwith the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.61,0:16:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we're looking for short-term\Nmonetary gain, or power,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.39,0:16:05.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than the health of the planet
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.02,0:16:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the future of our children.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.98,0:16:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't seem to care about that anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.12,0:16:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I'll never stop fighting.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.23,0:16:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I mean, in your work\Nspecifically on chimpanzee conservation,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.10,0:16:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've made it practice to put people\Nat the center of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.28,0:16:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,local people, to engage them.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.40,0:16:27.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How has that worked
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.61,0:16:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do you think that's an essential idea
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.87,0:16:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we're to succeed\Nin protecting the planet?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.98,0:16:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: You know, after that\Nfamous conference,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.47,0:16:38.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought, well, I must learn more\Nabout why chimps are vanishing in Africa
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.02,0:16:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what's happening to the forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.93,0:16:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I got a bit of money together\Nand went out to visit six range countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.100,0:16:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And learned a lot about the problems\Nfaced by chimps, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.04,0:16:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hunting for bush meat\Nand the live animal trade
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.84,0:16:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and caught in snares
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.53,0:16:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and human populations growing\Nand needing more land
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.97,0:17:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their crops and their cattle\Nand their villages.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.72,0:17:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I was also learning about the plight\Nfaced by so many people.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.48,0:17:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The absolute poverty,\Nthe lack of health and education,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.04,0:17:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the degradation of the land.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.53,0:17:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it came to a head when I flew over\Nthe tiny Gombe National Park.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.55,0:17:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It had been part of this equatorial\Nforest belt right across Africa
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.85,0:17:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the west coast,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.03,0:17:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in 1990,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.45,0:17:29.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was just this little island of forest,\Njust tiny national park.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.11,0:17:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All around, the hills were bare.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.04,0:17:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's when it hit me.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.80,0:17:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we don't do something
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.62,0:17:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help the people find ways of living
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.91,0:17:39.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without destroying their environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.53,0:17:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can't even try to save the chimps.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.27,0:17:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Jane Goodall Institute\Nbegan this program "Take Care,"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.00,0:17:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we call it "TACARE."
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.03,0:17:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's our method\Nof community-based conservation,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.99,0:17:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,totally holistic.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.11,0:17:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we've now put the tools\Nof conservation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.37,0:17:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the hand of the villagers,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.23,0:18:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because most Tanzanian wild chimps\Nare not in protected areas,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.36,0:18:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're just in the village\Nforest reserves.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.16,0:18:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, they now go and measure\Nthe health of their forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.47,0:18:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've understood now
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.70,0:18:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that protecting the forest\Nisn't just for wildlife,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.29,0:18:19.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's their own future.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.81,0:18:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That they need the forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.24,0:18:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're very proud.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.61,0:18:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The volunteers go to workshops,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.74,0:18:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they learn how to use smart phones,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.83,0:18:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they learn how to upload\Ninto platform and the cloud.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.64,0:18:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's all transparent.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.52,0:18:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the trees have come back,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.66,0:18:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's no bare hills anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.76,0:18:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They agreed to make\Na buffer zone around Gombe,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.50,0:18:47.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the chimps have more forest\Nthan they did in 1990.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.94,0:18:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're opening up corridors of forest
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.89,0:18:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to link the scattered chimp groups\Nso that you don't get too much inbreeding.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.29,0:18:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes, it's worked,\Nand it's in six other countries now.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.47,0:18:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.66,0:19:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I mean, you've been this extraordinary\Ntireless voice, all around the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.37,0:19:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just traveling so much,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.32,0:19:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speaking everywhere,\Ninspiring people everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.63,0:19:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How on earth do you find the energy,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.63,0:19:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, the fire to do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.30,0:19:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that is exhausting to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.49,0:19:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every meeting with lots of people,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.05,0:19:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is just physically exhausting,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.14,0:19:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet, here you are, still doing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.18,0:19:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How are you doing this, Jane?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.06,0:19:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, I suppose, you know,\NI'm obstinate, I don't like giving up,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.40,0:19:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm not going to let\Nthese CEOs of big companies
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.69,0:19:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are destroying the forests,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.25,0:19:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the politicians who are unraveling\Nall the protections that were put in place
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.84,0:19:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by previous presidents,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.15,0:19:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know who I'm talking about.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.100,0:19:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, I'll go on fighting,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.15,0:20:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I care about, I'm passionate\Nabout the wild life.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.30,0:20:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm passionate about the natural world.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.02,0:20:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love forests, it hurts me\Nto see them damaged.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.47,0:20:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I care passionately about children.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.39,0:20:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're stealing their future.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.46,0:20:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm not going to give up.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.23,0:20:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I guess I'm blessed\Nwith good genes, that's a gift,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.18,0:20:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the other gift,\Nwhich I discovered I had,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.81,0:20:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was communication,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.27,0:20:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's writing or speaking.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.91,0:20:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.100,0:20:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if going around like this wasn't working,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.90,0:20:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but every time I do a lecture,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.03,0:20:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people come up and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.40,0:20:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, I had given up,\Nbut you've inspired me,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.80,0:20:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I promise to do my bit."
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.10,0:20:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have our youth program\N"Roots and Shoots" now in 65 countries
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.01,0:20:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and growing fast,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.58,0:20:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all ages,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.74,0:20:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all choosing projects to help\Npeople, animals, environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.03,0:20:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rolling up their sleeves\Nand taking action.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.66,0:20:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, they look at you\Nwith shining eyes,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.83,0:21:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanting to tell Dr. Jane\Nwhat they've been doing
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.34,0:21:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make the world a better place.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.14,0:21:03.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can I let them down?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.02,0:21:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: I mean, as you look\Nat the planet's future,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.26,0:21:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what worries you most, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.90,0:21:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what scares you most about where we're at?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.73,0:21:19.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the fact that we have\Na small window of time, I believe,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.14,0:21:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we can at least start\Nhealing some of the harm,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.68,0:21:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and slowing down climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.74,0:21:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it is closing,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.75,0:21:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've seen what happens\Nwith the lockdown around the world
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.94,0:21:34.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of COVID-19:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.02,0:21:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear skies over cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.26,0:21:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people breathing clean air\Nthat they've never breathed before,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.12,0:21:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and looking up at\Nthe shining skies at night,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.07,0:21:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which they've never seen properly before.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.72,0:21:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.08,0:21:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what worries me most
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.18,0:21:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is how to get enough people,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.48,0:21:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people understand,\Nbut they're not taking action,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.80,0:22:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to get enough people to take action?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.46,0:22:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: National Geographic just launched\Nthis extraordinary film about you,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.20,0:22:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,highlighting your work over six decades.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.80,0:22:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's titled "Jane Goodall: The Hope."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.04,0:22:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what is the hope, Jane?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.05,0:22:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Well, the hope,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.22,0:22:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my greatest hope\Nis all these young people.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.29,0:22:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, in China,\Npeople will come up and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.100,0:22:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, of course I care\Nabout the environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.18,0:22:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in "Roots and Shoots"\Nin primary school."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.46,0:22:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, we have "Roots and Shoots"\Njust hanging on to the values
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.80,0:22:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're so enthusiastic\Nonce they know the problems
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.62,0:22:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're empowered to take action,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.48,0:22:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are clearing the streams,\Nremoving invasive species humanely.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.97,0:22:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they have so many ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.70,0:22:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then there's, you know,\Nthis extraordinary intellect of ours.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.42,0:22:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're beginning to use it\Nto come up with technology
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.48,0:22:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really will help us\Nto live in greater harmony,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.37,0:22:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in our individual lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.99,0:23:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's think about the consequences\Nof what we do each day.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.13,0:23:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do we buy, where did it come from,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.24,0:23:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how was it made?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.84,0:23:07.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did it harm the environment,\Nwas it cruel to animals?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.78,0:23:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it cheap because of child slave labor?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.15,0:23:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Make ethical choices.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.06,0:23:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which you can't do if you're living\Nin poverty, by the way.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.57,0:23:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then finally, this indomitable spirit
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.31,0:23:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people who tackle what seems impossible
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.94,0:23:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and won't give up,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.52,0:23:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't give up when you have those ...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.52,0:23:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, there are things\Nthat I can't fight,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.05,0:23:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't fight corruption.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.82,0:23:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't fight military\Nregimes and dictators.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.61,0:23:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I can only do what I can do,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.50,0:23:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we all do the bits that we can do,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.93,0:23:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surely that makes a whole\Nthat eventually will win out.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.89,0:23:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So, last question, Jane.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.26,0:23:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there was one idea, one thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.58,0:23:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one seed you could plant\Nin the minds of everyone watching this,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.33,0:23:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would that be?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.20,0:24:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: You know, just remember\Nthat every day you live,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.37,0:24:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you make an impact on the planet.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.74,0:24:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't help making an impact.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.06,0:24:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at least, unless\Nyou're living in extreme poverty,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.62,0:24:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a choice as to what sort\Nof impact you make.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.89,0:24:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in poverty you have a choice,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.84,0:24:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when we are more affluent,\Nwe have a greater choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.74,0:24:22.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we all make ethical choices,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.68,0:24:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we start moving towards a world
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.82,0:24:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will be not quite so desperate\Nto leave to our great-grandchildren.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.93,0:24:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's, I think, something for everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.71,0:24:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because a lot of people\Nunderstand what's happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.72,0:24:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they feel helpless and hopeless,\Nand what can they do,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.48,0:24:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they do nothing\Nand they become apathetic.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.10,0:24:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is a huge danger, apathy.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.75,0:24:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Dr. Jane Goodall, wow.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.95,0:24:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really want to thank you\Nfor your extraordinary life,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.98,0:24:55.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all that you've done,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.99,0:24:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for spending this time with us now.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.89,0:24:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.31,0:25:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JG: Thank you.