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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(0:56 people's noises)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(check who) 1.17 We've got one hour\Nand a quarter.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(confused voices then 1:31) How do we know\Nwhen these things are going to be turned on?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(confused voices, then1:58) What? OK? \NRight.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Chairperson 2:03) Ladies and Genltemen, \Ncan I ask everyone
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take their seats, please?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're about to begin, \Nso if you're visiting the bar,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can you charge your glasses and return \Nto your seats, and then we'll begin.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got an hour and a quarter\Nfor this debate.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, can I -- Welcome everybody to\Nthe Online Educa OEB debate.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure what number this is\Nin the series of debates that we've had,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it may be getting up to our 10th.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I can tell you is that in the time\Nthat we've been having these debates
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that I've been chairing them, \Nmy eyesight has now gone so bad
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I can't possibly read any notes\Nthat I have without using glasses, so
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we must be on at least our 10th.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I can also tell you is that \NOnline Educa itself, OEB,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this year is celebrating \Nits 21st anniversary.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think that perhaps deserves\Na round of applause.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So happy birthday to Online Educa --\N(Applause) -- this fantastic conference.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And 21 years ago was a very difficult --\Nvery different world indeed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when one thinks about the scale and scope\Nof change that there --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has taken place in the last 21 years.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One statistic I was reading recently was \Nthat in the UK, in 1994, 21 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were only 67 mobile phones\Nper 1000 people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But only ten years later, in 2004,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were more mobiles in the UK \Nthan people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that pattern of spread \Nof mobile communications alone
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has spread across the world and \Nin Africa, for instance,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those of you who have been to \NElearning Africa will have learned about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the spread of mobile communications\Nacross the African continent.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in terms of the scale \Nof technological change,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the spread of that change \Nacross the world,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the change in that short period of time,\Nin these past 21 years alone,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been enormous, and we heard about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the scale of it in the opening \Nplenary session this morning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We live in a world that is globalized,\Ninterconnected, hyperlinked
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that scale of change we're \Nexperiencing, have experienced
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the last 21 years, is going to\Ngather pace and continue.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all that is going to create a huge \Nchallenge for education and training,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is going to be at the heart
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of dealing with both the positive and \Nnegative aspects of that change.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's why the motion that we're \Ndealing with today, in this debate,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is so important, and why the whole subject\Nof giving young people the skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they need to cope with \Nthe challenges of this new world
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we all are going to --\Nthat we are creating, is so important.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got four speakers, \Nfour panel speakers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to open the debate this evening
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm going to ask each of them \Nto speak for 10 minutes,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I'm going to --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- two of them will speak for the motion, \Nobviously,and two against --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I will throw open the debate \Nto all of you,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if you want to intervene\Nwhilst they are speaking, because
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're having a parliamentary-style\Ndebate,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you can try to intervene on them
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if they want to take \Nyour intervention,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then they can do so, but it will be\Nentirely up to you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if they don't, then you can draw\Nwhatever conclusions you want from that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I want to ensure that \Nwe keep the flow going,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I'm not going to let you bully them\Nbut I'm going to allow you,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want to make a particular point,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if you want to make \Na short intervention, to do so.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then after they've spoken, we'll\Nthrow open the debate to the floor
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can make your contribution,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but do please realize that time \Nis of the essence,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so please try to keep it short and \Nto the point, succinct.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the kind of debate equivalent\Nof texting.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, no long rambling contributions, \Nbecause I will cut you off
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you try to do that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, very short contributions, please.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I'll ask each of our --\NI'll ask one speaker from each side
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sum up, and then we will take a vote,\Nand we'll do that by a show of hands.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've also made it clear \Nto all the speakers that they may
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say things that they don't necessarily \Nwant to be held to in the future,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I hope that you will understand that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is an opportunity for us \Nto explore some of the issues,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but don't take it all too seriously,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and don't come and accuse people of saying\Nthings that you would --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they might not necessarily always \Nwant to be held to.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With that in mind, I'm going to ask\Nour first speaker, who is Jo Swinson.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jo Swinson, who is the former Minister\Nfor business, innovation and skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the UK's coalition government of\N2010 to 2015,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to speak first for the motion.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Jo, since leaving Parliament, \Nhas begun a new career
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is involved in an award within\Na data intelligence company
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Clear Returns
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she is an expert on the challenges \Nand opportunities of the digital age.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, over to you, Jo.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Jo Swinson) Thank you very much indeed,\NHarold.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm absolutely delighted to be here\Nin Berlin at OEB.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A bit of a first, actually, the first\Ntechnology-related conference
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I've been to where there is a queue\Nin the ladies' loos!
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to say I was particularly pleased \Nby that, not only as a feminist,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also as a Brit who appreciates\Nthe art of queuing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it was good on two fronts.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this house believes that \N21st century skills aren't being taught,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they should be, is the motion\Nthat I want to convince you
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to support this evening.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We absolutely need to be equipping\Nour young people,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and indeed, people at every stage\Nof their lives,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the skills that they need \Nfor the 21st century.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And our education systems, \Nand our wider society,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have an important role to play in this.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I will put it to you, this evening,\Nthat when it comes to technical skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to social skills,\Nand vitally,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to capacity \Nto embrace change,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are not yet rising to that challenge\Nsufficiently.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are very specific skills, \Nthere are gaps in science and technology
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are not being properly filled. 9:32
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These shortages are causing\Nsignificant problems
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for businesses, for employers.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Half of engineering companies say that\Nthey have delayed taking forward
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new products or services, because \Nthey have vacancies
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are so hard to fill, because\Nthe skills are not there to recruit.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Digital start-ups are often in real need\Nof software developers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they cannot find sufficiently.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And companies of all sizes, grappling with\Ncybersecurity challenges
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,struggle to have the skills that they need\Nto take on those important issues.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Harold mentioned, I'm now a director\Nof a company called Clear Returns.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's been going for about three years,\Nbased in Glasgow, and uses data analytics
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help retailers understand the problems\Nthey have with product returns
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore successfully cutting \Nthe costs for retailers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and resulting in better \Ncustomer satisfaction.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in our technology team of 17 people,\Nthere are 12 different nationalities
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not one of those people went through\Nthe school education system in the UK,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the skills are not taught \Nup to scratch.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, there have been some improvements\Nand as to 2014,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer science has been introduced into\Nthe curriculum in the UK,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that is not the end of the matter,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because 11% of computer science graduates\Nare unemployed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, that's one of the highest \Nunemployment rates
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for any subject discipline,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a time when we have a huge shortage\Nof these very skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something is going very wrong \Nwhen that is the case.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is not just about\Nteaching people to code.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fashionable ....... (check) undoubtedly\Nis at the moment (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is necessary that we do have \Npeople who can code.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's not some kind of silver bullet\Non its own.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, it's the building blocks \Nthat we need to be putting in place,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the things that lie before you get\Nto the point of coding,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the logic, the basic maths, \Nenhancing those skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that people can put \Nthose building blocks together
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and create an argument or a \Ntrain of thought or a mathematical proof,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or indeed, a piece of code that will\Ninstruct a machine to do something.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet our maths skills \Nare also going backwards.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A King's College, London, study found that\Ncompared to the 1970's
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,young people today are significantly less\Nwell equipped in the field of mathematics.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's also worth pointing out \Nthat we are missing out,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to teaching these skills\Non almost half of the population.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only one in five A-level physics students\Nis a girl.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it comes to computer science,\Nthat figure drops to 1 in 10.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, it's wonderful to be at \Na technology conference
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there is a queue \Nin the ladies' loos,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but even at this conference, if you\Nhave a look at the speakers' brochure,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only 8 of the 35 main speakers are women,\Nso where are the women?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are missing out \Non that important talent
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who will not then get in the fields\Nthat we need for the 21st century
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to enable all of our economies \Nto flourish.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're also not doing well enough\Nat the social skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which have always been imported --\Nimportant,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would argue, are even more so\Nin the context of the 21st century.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Employers have long complained that\Nthey get coming into the work place
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are not yet ready for work.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to say there is that thing \NI've observed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when new graduates starting out\Nin the work place
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seem to be allergic to \Nusing the telephone
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the purpose it was originally\Ndesigned for.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've lost count of the number of times\Nwhen, speaking to a member of staff
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the particular project \Nthat they are trying to make happen,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it seems so stuck, and I say:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What happened when you asked\Nthat person about it?"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, I sent them an email and\Nthey didn't get back to me."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, for all the wonders that\Ntechnology can undoubtedly do
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in helping us in our working life, when\Nyou want to get people to do something,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an email is very easy to ignore, and it is\Nmuch harder to just put to one side
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a face-to-face person or contact, \Nor on the telephone.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And relationships are absolutely critical\Nto 21st century work places and skills:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting things done, collaborating in \Nteams, motivating others.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet when we assess children \Nand young people in the education system,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is genuinely done \Non a pure individual basis,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not looking at how they are actually\Noperating within a drip setting (check).
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when it comes to skills \Nin terms of relationships,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like personal, social\Nand health education, which I would argue,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is absolutely essential to help young\Npeople learn to navigate relationships,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and important issues like consent\Nwhen it comes to sex,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not even compulsory \Nin the UK curriculum.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a world where ultimation is increasing,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where jobs that we've already seen through\Nthe Industrial Revolution,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that manual jobs have been replaced \Nby machines,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that with the next stage of technological\Nadvancement, many, many more,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in things like accountancy and \Nprofessional services,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are also going to be replaced \Nby algorithms,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the human social relationship skills\Nare going to be in even more demand
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore deserve much more attention.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my final point is that we have not \Ndone enough to prepare people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the world of change.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A little while ago, I spoke at a School\NAward ceremony to 12-year olds
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was to explain to them \Nhow the world had changed
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since I was there age.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the examples I used was\Nthe process of taking a photograph.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I described how, when I was 12,\Nyou would have a thing called a camera
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was all that it did, it was just\Nfor taking photographs,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would have to get a piece of film,\Nphysically,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to load it into the camera machine,\Nyou'd had to do that pretty carefully,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you didn't want to expose the film\Nand it was quite a fiddly process.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You wouldn't know whether the photos\Nyou were taking were any good.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would have to take at least 24, \Nor sometimes 36,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depending on which particular \Npiece of film you put into your camera,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before you would then take it along\Nto a pharmacist's or a chemist's shop,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pay some money and then go and do\Nsomething else for a few days,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at which point you could come back
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be presented with your little\Nenvelope of photographs,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see if any of them had turned out OK.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was counting on these 12-year olds\Nlooked at me
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I might well be lying to them: \Nthis is how it worked,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of course these days, you know,\Nwithin a matter of seconds,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can take dozens of selfies \Nin your phone,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apply however many Instagram filters\Nyou like,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and share it with the entire world,\Njust without leaving the school.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The pace of change is accelerating hugely.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here in 2015, for us to consider \Nwhat even are 21st century skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like going back to 1915 and trying\Nto imagine the space race, nuclear power,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet, or the kind of social change\Ngoing from a situation
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where women didn't even have the vote,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to electing a woman as Prime Minister \Nin the UK,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the change with gay rights,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the ending of racial segregation\Nin the United States.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't even conceive of all that \Nthe 21st century is going to bring.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, more than anything, with \Nthis huge pace of increasing knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than anything, what we need to do\Nis equip people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cope with and thrive \Non change and uncertainty.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead, we have bunches of kids being \Nprocessed through the education system
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't look that different\Nto several decades ago.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we really do have a problem here,\Nin terms of the skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are teaching and more importantly,\Nnot teaching well enough.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's technical skills, \Nwhether it's those social skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether it's the vitally important\Nability to be resilient,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to recover from change and setbacks,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to apply yourself in a new way \Nto a new set of challenges and horizons.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the things \Nwe must be focusing on,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we aren't yet rising \Nto that challenge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I support the motion. 18:06
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, thank you very much\Nfor that, Jo.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our next speaker, who is going to speak\Nagainst the motion, is Allan Päll,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is the Secretary General of \Nthe European Youth Forum,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the representative body\Nfor youth organisations in Europe
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he is an advocate for youth's rights.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He lead student unions in Estonia and\Nat the European level, and has advocated
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for students' voices to be included\Nin educational policy. Allan:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Allan Päll) All right, \Nthank you very much, chair.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to very much support many\Nof the claims made by our opposition.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, when it comes to the question\Nand when it comes to this specific motion,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this house does not believe that \N21st century skills aren't being taught,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, well, let me put it very bluntly\Nand very simply:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole notion of what are 21st century\Nskills is often just a bunch of nonsense,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I would sum it up very briefly.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let me go into it a bit more.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many definitions of\Nwhat these skills could be
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I fully agree that they do include\Neverything mentioned by the opposition.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there are many other ways\Nof looking at it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we are to say whether these are \Nbeing taught or not,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if we have a problem of the very\Ndefinition of what these skills are,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can we say that they are \Nnot being taught so determinedly?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of the elements that can be \Nmentioned as 21st century skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are simple things, as critical thinking,\Nproblem-solving, reasoning, analysis,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research skills, creativity, curiosity,\Nperseverance, self-direction
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oral and written communication,\Nleadership,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information and communication technology,\Nsocial justice, literacy,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,civic, ethical behavior, global awareness:\Nthe list goes on and on and on.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, indeed, many of those things, perhaps,\Nare not being taught enough,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or specifically enough, \Nin our educational systems.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that doesn't mean that \Nthis is not happening.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me ask you one simple question:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you believe that we don't acquire\Nmany of these skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our educational environment, \Nbe it in a formal setting
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a socializing moment \Nin your school or at university,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would we actually witness the pace\Nof change in society that we are seeing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Almost all of us have gone through \Nthe educational system.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we must get a lot of those skills\Nalso through that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do agree, though, \Nthat there is something to be said about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the question of how specific are we\Nwhen we look at those skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because that is true that most curricula --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education is very much compartmentalized\Ninto very specific subject areas
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're seeing an increasing trend\Nof those subject areas becoming
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more and more specific.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thus indeed, there is perhaps\Nnot enough emphasis on looking at,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or thinking really about are we acquiring\Nall those sets of skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are important for our socialization,\Netc., our technical skills as well,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as mentioned by the opposition.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things that I would like\Nto highlight is that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the schools and universities, and\Nvocational education and training
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not only about the formal \Nlearning outcomes
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are beginning to measure \Nmore and more.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is also about the social environment\Nat that very school or university
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that determines a lot of \Nwhat education gives us.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of specific skills \Nthat were mentioned by opposition
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the lack of those skills, there are\Nmany variables perhaps to look at.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes indeed, we are missing out \Non engineers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are missing out on also \Nstaff in medical sciences, in care.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would need indeed many more people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have those qualifications, \Nperhaps, indeed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is also a question of\Nwhat is education for
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what are the requirements \Non the labor market.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those two things, \Nalthough they interact,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they move at different paces.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So sometimes, we start to put blame\Nvery easily on the education system for
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not delivering specific skills when, for\Nexample, the structure of our education
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- sorry, the structure of our economy\Nhas changed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think here, it's an important\Nremark that we need to look at
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different experiences \Nof different countries.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you see countries where \Nunemployment levels,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even throughout the financial\Neconomic crises,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were record low, such as in Germany\Nand Austria.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you look at youth \Nunemployment figures,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,youth unemployment also among \Nhighly educated young people,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in different areas, like Spain or Greece,\Nall around the Mediterranean,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've been staggeringly high.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not because \Nthe education systems failed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's because the macro-economic systems\Nfailed them there,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of not having enough job creation\Nfor all those skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, there is something\Nto be said that when we train people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when we train minds \Nto think critically,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come up with new and innovative ideas,\Nwe also change the world through that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we need to understand \Nthat interaction.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but certainly, when we look at \N21st century skills, well,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we are to define them with this broad\Nset of lists that I noted,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we certainly are gaining those skills,\Nbut perhaps, not specifically
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not enough: that, we could agree.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it comes to preparedness for change,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when are we ever prepared \Nfor the change to come, one might wonder.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indeed, things, technologically, \Nare changing very fast.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And maybe our educational systems\Nare not embracing that technology
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same pace.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that doesn't mean that \Nif we would embrace
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the use of that technology very quickly,\Nthat it would enhance immediately
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the skills that we can describe as\N21st century skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as, for example, critical thinking.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many advocates that say that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to replace \Nsubject matter teaching completely
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with horizontal level approaches.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn't work.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we don't know the facts, how do we know\Nthat we are on the right path
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with our decisions, how can we know\Nwhat really happened in the past,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not, how can we verify what is true?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when we look at the skills, we need\Nto look at the evidences
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of teaching preparedness \Nand pedagogy.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yes, we agree: there is a lot \Nto be done there
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of measuring those essential\Nskills of socialization and communication,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,building relationships, and it is true \Nthat around, it's estimated,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around 50% of jobs in the service sector
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are about to disappear in the next \N20 years and transform, hopefully,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into something completely new.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, indeed, those skills, \Nwe can all agree,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll need those skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is an important element\Nof young people,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is a study that we have done\Nin the European Youth Forum,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they gain a lot of those skills also\Noutside, in non formal education settings.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the key here is to see if we can bring\Nthose experiences
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that young people gain from youth \Norganizations, activism,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the formal education setting, \Nand thus make it much more open
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to recognizing those prior experiences\Nas well, to overcome this shortage.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you very much, Allan.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our next speaker who is going to speak\Nfor the motion is Pedro De Bruyckere
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is an educational scientist and \Nhe has worked in Ghent in Belgium
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since 2001.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He co-wrote two books which debunk\Npopular myths on generation Y
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and generation Z,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the latest one was entitled \N"I was 10 in 2015". Pedro:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pedro De Bruyckere) OK. Good evening.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a teacher, I'm a teacher trainer,\Nso I'm not used to standing still.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you don't mind, I will move.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Allan, thank you very much for\Nmaking my point.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to explain: I have to agree,\NI've written a book about it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no such thing \Nas 21st century skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's why they need to be taught.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to explain this.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if we go back in time, to see\Nthe origins of the 21st century skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'll end up with the liberal arts,\Nthe Septem Artes Liberales.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rhetoric, what we are doing right here,\Nthat's for me ancient history,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but still needed today.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the question is, \Nis this still being taught in school?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because, like ....... Alberts (check) says,\Nmoreover we get a focus on the Three R's
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- Reading, 'Riting, 'Rithmetics --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while most of the young people are\Nlooking to Snapchats.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But because of the focus, \Nbecause we want to test stuff,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more important things \Nare being forgotten!
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rhetoric, philosophy, for me, crucial.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be honest, then, you don't have to look\Nat Ancient Times,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than you have to look at Medieval Times,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because then philosophy was added\Nto the Liberal Arts.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need to train our children \Nbecause it's great to say:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Look at us: we've done it."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but we are not talking about us,\Nbecause in 20 years' time, they will --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will be old, boring and \Nother people need to sit there
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and beyond stage, using rhetoric.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need to prepare them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure if we're doing a great job.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, if we talk about technology,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology is often like a sex ad\Nin education.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, you talk about \Nall the dangerous stuff
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you never talk about the fun stuff.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's very simple:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Don't do this, don't do that,\Ncertainly don't try that! Go ahead!"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And another -- for instance, McKinsey,\Nthe McKinsey report, 2014 McKinsey report,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said just (check)\N-- and I agree again with you both --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a mismatch.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a mismatch between \Nwhat children study in school
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and which topics they choose,\Nand what we need in the economy.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But at the same time, the employers said:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You know, don't train them \Nto a specific job
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"but train them in strategic \Nand communication skills."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, they have been around for ages\Nbut they are still important.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what do we do, for instance,\Nin many schools?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been in schools in Holland, \Nin Germany, in --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, we teach them how to write\Na job application.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We teach them how to perform\Na talk for a job.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we teach them to write \Na LinkedIn profile?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, what we say is "Never post\Na drunk photo on Facebook,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"because people will search you."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we don't say is:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You know what? Post something good \Nabout yourself on Facebook,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"that isn't a selfie."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we think well, they will do this.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, for instance research by\NJan van Dek (check):
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's one of the stuff \Nthat our kids don't know.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we don't teach them, who will?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's my point: we need to teach them\Nbasic skills like Jo said:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication skills, strategic skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you want to call them\N21st century skills because, by accident,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're living in the 21st century,\Nso be it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)\NThank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, \Nthank you very much, Pedro.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our final speaker who is going to speak\Nagainst the motion is Miles Berry,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is the principal lecturer \Nin computing education
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the University of Roehampton in the UK:\NMiles.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Miles Berry) Pleasure to be here,\Nreally is.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Philip and Gudrun, where are you guys?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, on the Twitter thing you say:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We need to talk about what the purpose\Nof education is, what is education for?"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's where I want to start.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to move back from the motion, \Nto think about what education is for.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to do that, we need some understanding\Nof what education is.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been in education \Nfor over 40 years now.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even so, I checked.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the culture or development\Nof personal knowledge, or understanding,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,growth or character, \Nmoral and social qualities, etc.,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as contrasting with \Nthe imparting of a skill.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(blurred: check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, there's definitely a place \Nfor imparting skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's training, not education,\Nand there is a difference.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My Roehampton students study education,\Nbut they are trained to teach.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,England's new computing curriculum\Neducates people about the principles,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the principles of computer science:\N(inaudible: check), I tell you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter) ... technology, I think \Nthe technology ran on me tonight,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's all right I'll give it...
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(off) (unintelligible)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Berry) 21st century skill \N-- on knowledge -- (laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Knowledge that these things are the wrong\Nshape for my head: never mind.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, so: England's new computing curriculum\Nthat Jo has alluded to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,educates people about the principles\Nof computer science,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas we used to train them \Nto use Office software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or think about sex.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, not like that: we rightly include\Nsex education on the curriculum in schools
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we typically don't include training.\N(Laughter) Important skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do without microphones. \N(Laughter) ... very well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In England, our Education Act says\Nwhat education is for.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Firstly, it's to promote the spiritual,\Nmoral, cultural, mental and physical
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,development of pupils and of society.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's to prepare pupils \Nfor the opportunities, responsibilities
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and experiences of later life.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What else could education possibly be for?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that, you just got to love laws\Nthat require you to do
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you'd want to do anyhow.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There does remain a question about\Nhow best to prepare people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for these opportunities, responsibilities\Nand experiences.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the nob of the motion this evening\Nis about whether this should be done
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through some sort of training\Nin 21st century skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or by passing on the knowledge, \Nunderstanding and wisdom
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our generation to the next and I'd say,\Nthe latter.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've no problem with skills per se\Nin teaching.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Behavioral management is a skill,\Ncoding is a skill,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so is searching for things on Google,\Nor even Bing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. I've some problem, though, with the\Nnotion that there are 21st century skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'd agree with you on that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But both of you have done a fine job\Nof demolishing that notion already.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've also some problem with the skills --\Nwith the notion that skills can transfer.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skills are about accomplishing something.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a context to the skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think we diminish specific skills\Nby attempting to generalize them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It isn't critical thinking, \Nit's thinking critically about something.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not creativity, \Nit's creating something.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not communication,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's communicating something\Nthrough some media.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The 'something' here matters.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really not possible to teach skills\Nin the abstract fashion, without context.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the context is king.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever the specific domain,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge of that domain is necessary\Nfor expert skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My main problem, though, is that\Nwe've only a little time in school.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've other things to teach and\Nour students have other things to learn:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like knowledge
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and understanding
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wisdom.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without these, skills are unlikely to be\Nof much practical benefit.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stephen Downes is here.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, nodding in his direction, I'd say,\Nlearning is about connecting things:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neurons, ideas, people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The computer scientists get this,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google's page rank algorithm relies\Nnot so much on the content of the page,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the links between the pages.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thing is then, the new stuff has to be\Nconnected to something.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise, it's just isolated factoids.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't make sense of it, \Nwe can't use new knowledge
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless it's integrated into our existing\Nmental maps, our schema.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Put simply: it takes knowledge\Nto gain knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This apples to each of us as individuals,\Nbut it's also how civilization grows.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Human achievement is a cumulative thing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,New knowledge doesn't normally contradict\Nwhat's gone before.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It builds on it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If Newton saw further than others had,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was because he stood \Non the shoulders of giants.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What hope would there be \Nfor the next generations
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they had to discover everything afresh\Nfor themselves?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The consequence of our building\Non what's gone before
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that the pace of cultural, scientific\Nand technological change
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accelerates exponentially.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even allowing for this acceleration\Nis knowledge, understanding and wisdom
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which have done the test of time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Less so, skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Expect new inventions and discoveries\Nover the next 85 years
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and new practical skills to go with them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But don't expect the foundational \Nshared knowledge of our civilization
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to become irrelevant.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indeed, it's on this very foundation\Nthat the new knowledge will be built.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not 21st century skills \Nthat young people need.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's 21st century knowledge, understanding\Nand wisdom.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Time, I think, for a quick case study.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The most successful education systems\Nand the top universities
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seem to organize their curriculum\Naround well knowledge-based subjects.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,England's new National Curriculum is\Nquite explicitly a knowledge-based one.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It sets out to provide pupils with \Nan introduction to the essential knowledge
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they need to be educated as citizens,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to introduce them to the best\Nwhich has been thought and said.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the most radical things we've done\Nin that curriculum,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which many see as rather reactionary,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to have replaced the old ICT \Nwith a new subject: computing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This includes an introduction \Nto the principles of computer science
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all, from age 5 up.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has been my privilege \Nto be part of the team
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,designing and implementing\Nthe new subject.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Under the old curriculum we offered\Na good grounding in tech skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finding this online, \Nmaking a presentation,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,typing up stories, articles and reports.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes, even making a spreadsheet,\Noften about having a party.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do people really use spreadsheets\Nto plan parties?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are these fun parties? Are these \N-- OK (laughs)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was fine: pupils moved on to work\Nor the next phase of education
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some competence and confidence
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and broadly speaking, were\Ndigitally literate.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our ...... (check) students \Nat Roehampton's
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suggested that broad portfolio skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two thirds regarded them as .... as \Ncompetent, proficient or experts.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That said, it was all too often \Na bit -- well, dull.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a limit, or at least \Nthere should be a limit
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the number of times you can \Nfind something out on the internet
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make a presentation about it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Generally, it did precious little \Nto provide any real knowledge
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or understanding of computation, \Ninformation theory or digital technology.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same audit, less than 15%\Nof my new students
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rated their understanding of \Ndigital technology
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as competent, proficient or expert.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we started again.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We built on the idea of computing\Nas having three elements:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer science, information technology\Nand digital literacy,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the foundations, applications and\Nimplications of the discipline.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We took a leaf out of \NWilliam Morris's book:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Have nothing in your house that\Nyou do not know to be useful
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"or believe to be beautiful."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And built a curriculum of things \Nthat would be useful,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also things that were interesting.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We took a view that the best way \Nto prepare pupils for a future
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which digital technology looks \Nquite likely to remain important
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was through providing a firm\Ncomputer science foundation,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like logic, algorithms, \Nabstraction, networks, programming.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, coding would be important, but not\Nas a vocational skill for the IT industry,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as the lab work for computing, \Nthe medium through which
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ideas of computer science are created\Nand expressed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Computer became part of our curriculum\N15 months ago.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's early days, but early indications\Nare very positive.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teachers' professional development\Nhas been a challenge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this hasn't been a challenge about\Npedagogical or technical skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teachers know how to teach \Nand know how to use technology.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just that they didn't know \Nmuch computer science.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are, by and large, willing to learn,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many are quite enjoying \Nthe fast challenge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to leave you \Nwith the idea that I think
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge is the only thing\Nthat matters in education.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course it isn't: character matters.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm talking here about traits\Nand attitudes,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things such as curiosity and creativity\Nand courage of our 4-year old daughter.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's a curious character.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She still has this sense of \Nwandering the world about her,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that sense of Wow when she sees\Nor hears something new,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and still a willingness to explore,\Nexperiment and play.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's at a great little primary school\Nand I shouldn't worry.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I do worry that her schooling \Nmight get in the way of her curiosity
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it ought to be nurturing this.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Plowden had it back in '67,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the main educational tasks \Nof the primary school
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to build on and strengthen children's\Nintrinsic interest in learning
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lead them to learn for themselves.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator, off) 21st century skill?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Berry) But knowledge matters here.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's as Sophie learns more that I hope\Nshe'll want to learn even more.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With literacy motivation, and good WiFi,\Nshe can teach herself almost anything,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and does.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creativity matters.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We learn not just though listening, \Nreading and exploring,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also through making.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think there's some generic\Ncreativity skill, here.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'd like my daughter to be creative\Nin her music and her computing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and her maths, and so on.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's been making things for a while now,\Nbut as her knowledge grows,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm looking forward to her exploring\Nand drawing on that in her creative work.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, courage.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's a fearless explorer, with tons\Nof self-confidence.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Off whisper, inaudible)\N(Berry) OK.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want her school to encourage that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More importantly, I want her \Nto have the courage to tell the truth,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stand up for those who can't stand up\Nfor themselves
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to do the right thing, \Neven if it's not the popular thing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what should we be doing \Nto best prepare young people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the opportunities, responsibilities\Nand experiences of later life?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Passing on knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nurturing character.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sounds a bit old-fashioned, but honestly,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what better preparation \Nfor the rest of the 21st century?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.\N(Applause).
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you very much,\NMiles.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right, it's now over to you and I think\Nwe've got about 25 minutes
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for questions and contributions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you ask a question, I'm going to ask\Nour panel speakers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to answer it directly \Nbut to deal with it in their summing up,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just so that we can ensure that we have\Na decent flow.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you make a contribution, please,\Ntry to keep it fairly brief, well, brief,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that other people \Nhave a chance as well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you've been very well-behaved so far.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please don't feel that you need to be\Nquite so well-behaved now,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now is your opportunity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to speak, \Nplease just raise your hand.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bear in mind that if you're at the back,\Nit is slightly difficult to see you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And can you, if I call you,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please can you just wait \Ntill the microphone turns up.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who'd like to go first?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would anybody like to ask a question\Nor comment?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, at the back on the left, there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 1) My question is short,\Nparticularly for Allan, I think.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are critical thinking skills\Nimportant in the 21st century?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator, off) OK. So that's one \Nfor Allan to deal with in his summing up.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody else, any-- \NYes, over on the right there, Yannis (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 2) Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think both sides of the motion \Nare saying it's not working.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So who's to blame, who or what is to blame\Nor who or what must we change?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator, off) Thank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right, I'm looking for some contributions\Nnow, somebody who's --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, lady there, on the, \Njust by the aisle, there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 3) Whoops! OK.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, I just have a comment to all of you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't see a huge difference \Nbetween your positions,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you always seem to say,\Nit's important to have these,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever you call them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skills is a kind of a talent that you have\Nwhen you are born, or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mentioned those things are important,\Nso what is actually the difference?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just need to promote an environment
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to let people develop \Nthose types of skills or talents.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Yes, also on the aisle there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 4) Thank you. I want to --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Would you mind just introduce\Nyourself briefly;
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually, if people would just say \Nwho they are and where they're from,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would be helpful as well.\N(Participant 4) OK.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Denise Gaspard- Richard,\NI'm from the University
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the West Indies and Caribbean--\N(Moderator) Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 4) ..... Campus.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The board said to me, seemed to be saying\Nsomewhat of the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you were speaking, I kept thinking \Nabout some employers' surveys
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have done over a period of time\Nin the Caribbean,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the ..... (check),
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soft skills are not really being taught \Nat the University.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when a student comes out\Nin today work environment,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can't carry out a decent conversation\Nand therefore they can't call up
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone who is not getting\Nthe kind of service that they need,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't know how to communicate\Nin .............. (check) OK?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when I listened to Jo, I heard \Nsome of that coming out
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm wondering if, probably, \Nwe have simply substituted
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social skills, or soft skills to call it\N21st century skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have more or less seen \Nthe same things
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we were seeing before we came up\Nwith this terminology. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that.\NAnybody else?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, in the front row, there.\NJust down here, please.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there a mike here in the front row\Non my right? That's it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 5) Thank you. \NMy name is Anne DeLorean (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the European Schoolnet in Brussels.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A comment: I think maybe we are missing\Nthe adaptive nature of human beings,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because society has progressed \Nthrough the ages because --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just because we are adaptive.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have not always had to be taught\Neverything we do,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have to discover it a little bit.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, as educators, what we need to do\Nis provide the -- at the area or the ethos
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where this discovery can happen,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not necessarily that we have to provide\Nthe lessons to do it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but provide the means of discovery.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you. Let's have \Nanother one on the front, here.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lady on the front row \Non the left hand side here.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 6) My name is Nikki Spalding,\Nfrom Higher Education Academy in the UK.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was wondering what do you think\Nis driving the rhetoric
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behind 21st century skills the most?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it happy individuals and learners?\NHappy employers? Happy society?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or happy Government Treasury?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, towards the back there, \Non the right hand side.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 7) Lydia .... (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have concentrated on education\Nof young people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what about education of people\Nat your age?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who and how (laugher) should you educate\Nthese 21st century skills or knowledge?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Very good question indeed.\NSo, we'll come back to that one.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we have a number on this side, in the\N-- where has the microphone gone?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, just at the front \Nof this little block there, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 8) My name is Mike Rauser (check), \Nfrom McKinsey and Company in Germany.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my question is directed to Mr Barry.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where you've stressed \Nteaching specific skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please correct me if I'm wrong, about\Nteaching specific skills in schools.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you account for situations where
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a skill that may not even \Nhave been invented yet
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- I'm thinking about say, \Nfrom an 1980 view point,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,15 years in the future, that\Nnobody knew what the internet was.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody knew it was to be in there\N15 years later.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, very limited.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Off) I think the internet \Nwas invented in 1969.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(P8) (overlap with moderator) \NOK, I understand that in general--
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Can we -- If you could just \Ntry to make it a contribution
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they can respond \Nin their final remarks.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(P8) Sure enough\N(Moderator) OK (overlap)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(P8) -- that we don't know about\N15 years into the future,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or skills that are here now, that may\Nno longer be there 15 years into the future.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's hope that's a little clearer.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I have some more contributions,\Nrather than questions?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody like to give their opinion?\NYes, on the --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think about the third row here.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 9) So actually it's phrased\Nas a question,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but think of it as a contribution.\N(Moderator) Yes (laughter).
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A rhetorical contribution.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(P9) So all of you have been arguing\Nfor or against 21st century skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very convincingly.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you were always talking about\Nwhat they are,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not about what they aren't.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So maybe, if the question is phrased\Na bit differently,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would need to make \Na more difficult point, so:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what do you think are skills that are\Nno longer relevant,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or knowledge that is no longer relevant\Nnow in the 21st century,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was indeed very important\N200 years ago?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) What would your answer\Nto your own question be?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(P9) I would have to think about it.\N(Moderator) Right. (Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right, at the -- right at the back,\Nwe've got two hands up there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the back, somebody with a dark-colored\Njacket on -- that's it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 10) Mike Brown,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the National Institute \Nof Digital Learning in Ireland,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A question, but equally a contribution.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think, \Nwhat does the panel think,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,22nd century skills will be?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Particularly, particularly \Nif we fail to achieve
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the post-2015 \NSustainable Development Goals?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Right. Next to -- \Nat the back, there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 11) I think \Nwe've lost the plot.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,30 years ago, many students started\Novertaking the teachers in knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our school server was looked after\Nby students, pupils, rather than teachers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they couldn't do it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that happens all the while.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Medical patients are getting \Nmore knowledge than the doctors,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they search the internet\Nbefore they go to the doctor's
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about their own disease.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think we have got no chance,\Nwe can't teach anymore.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, thank you for that.\NSomebody standing up there --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. (inaudible) on to them.\NHello, Clark (check)?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 12) Yes. Hi, my name is \N...... (check) from Sweden
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I work with a software company\Ndeveloping ideation software.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My contribution is that I wonder\Nif we should not dig even deeper
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see if this is a structural problem,\Nbecause I'd like to say that these skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are being taught.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We see today that people are in two\Ndifferent types of networks:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are in centralized or distributed\Nnetworks at work or at school,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but distributed in their spare time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we see also that \Nthese different types of networks
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cultivate different types of values.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it could be an organizational problem,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also a value problem, \Nif we dig even deeper.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, \Nfrom advertising to conversation
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from ownership to sharing,\Nfrom profit to growth --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sorry, from profit to sustainability,\Nand so on.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my contribution is basically, maybe\Nthe problem is even deeper,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe it has to do about \Nhow we are organized,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the values that those organizations\Ncultivate.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that\N(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, down in the front block here,\Nin the middle.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 13) I'm Cory Doctorow, \Nfrom the morning plenary.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems to me that education has been\Nrefactored over the last several decades
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a kind of factory, \Nwhose product is educated children,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with teachers as employees,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the board of directors as the Ministry\Nof Education, God help us, Michael Gove,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the CEO.\N(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it seems like, when you organize\Nsomething around the idea
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the public are shareholders and that \Nwe're doing something that's a business,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to have a ...... (check) report\Nwhere some numbers go up
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show that the business is thriving.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as a result, we are rear-fighting (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things that are not \Npedagogically supported,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like attendance and \Nstandardized test scores,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than things that are pedagogically\Nsupported as real learning,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are often not quantifiable\Nand are difficult to recognize,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except as a kind of creative fog\Nthat you see your students in,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they are excited and \Nare really chasing knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so now we're -- can be obsessed\Nwith turning children into
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,second-rate spreadsheets or \Nthird-rate spellcheckers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead of teaching them arithmetic\Nand language.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems like a focus on skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without reference to the way \Nthat we frame education,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets us nowhere.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adding standardized tests' outcomes\Nwhere we look at
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether or not you've acquired \N21st century skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ignores the fact that anything \Nthat you try to teach,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the only way you're evaluated\Nis with high-stake testing,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gives you nothing,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except for someone who has been \Ncrammed full of a bunch of facts
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they'll promptly forget\Nwhen they leave school,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no synthetic capability.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, on the side of this block here,\Non the left.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 14) Thank you. \NI am ..... (check) from the Investor Malawi.\N
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question is, I don't know if we know\Nwhat we're talking about.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Africa, we believe that if \Nyou don't know where you're going,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the Lord can take you there. (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we changing education, \Nalthough we are using,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we attempt to coexist two educations,\Nor we are neglecting education. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you. Yes, in the middle\Nof the front block again, and then
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll come over to this one.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 15) Hi, ........ from ....\NUniversity of Applied Science.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a university of applied science,\Nwe're teaching skills like hell:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social skills, soft skills,\Ntechnical skills, all this stuff.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But maybe we are missing out the values\Nbehind these skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they aren't the things \Nin the future. (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you. Let's go\Ninto this block in the front here,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the right hand side, the -- the lady \Nthere, I think, just in front of the camera.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 16) My name is\NLisa .......... (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I work at ...... in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think my comment really builds on some \Nof the things that Cory Doctorow said.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could argue that the premise \Nthat we are arguing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually the wrong question.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not important, we -- just teaching\Nthe 21st century skills isn't enough.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those skills have to be honed, practiced\Nand applied,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for them to do anything.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not about the teaching, it's about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what should the students do \Nwith the teaching after that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that.\NLet's have another one on this side.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One here on the front -- front row.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 17) Good evening, I'm \N.......... (check) of the European Schoolnet,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to be also provocative and\NI'm thinking about the role you mentioned.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the role of education?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we pushed by industry to deliver\Ncertain things or not?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm thinking, what's the role\Nof the parents in all that?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it maybe the role of the parents\Nto teach these kinds of things?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You talked, Miles, \Nabout character building
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think there are certain things\Nschool can do,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I have, at least for my generation,\Na little bit of feeling that parents
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share a little bit, sometimes,\Nthe responsibility to school,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to technology, and maybe it's time\Nto be a good parent again.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that.\N(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right at the back, there, \Non the right hand side,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right at the back in the middle.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 18) Hi: Bernard Sander\Nfrom New York University.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I grew up developing my own films.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though I'm a pretty adequate digital\Nphotographer, I did research
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using card catalogs and paper indexes\Nand microfiche,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I am a more than adequate \Ndigital researcher.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think the story is the same\Nfor most of the people in the room.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the question really is, what was\Ninadequate about my education?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing I did in the 20th century\Nhasn't prepared me
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for what 21st century has begun.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as long as I'm competent
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in my capacity to search \Nfor new information
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in being willing to put any effort\Nto acquire new skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't feel that I'm unprepared,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't frankly think that any student\Nis really unprepared,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as they have that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what is it that the 21st century brings\Nthat is so unique,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other than the fact that \Nthey can make a mistake
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be seen by everybody all at once\Nin three seconds,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right? so you know, that's fun.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But other than that little piece,\Nwhat's new?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right at the back, against the wall,\Nwith a red tie. That's it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 19) I'm Eric Balance (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm from the Education, Audiovisual\Nand Culture Executive Agency.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking about skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because our employers tell us \Nthat our kids don't have them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are we not asking about the skills,\Nnot the employers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but society is asking for?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Yes, next door \Nto the last speaker.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 20) .......... (check) \Nfrom the UK.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've changed jobs now, \Nbut in a previous life
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've worked with many, many teachers,\Nprimary and secondary,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they will tell you that \Nall of the skills you're talking about,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with creativity, adaptation, rhetoric,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of them are what they are \Ntrying to teach,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they are not delivering \Nstandardized tests.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the question is,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do we want the education system to be\Ntold to do a certain thing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or are we trying to encourage it\Nfrom the inside?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I think they are two \Ndifferent things.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Yes (Applause).\NThank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the front row here, \Non the left hand side. 1:02:30
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 21) Hello, this is Philip \Nfrom IBA
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wonder if we're not discussing\Non a completely too advanced level.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just got an email from the school\Nof my son, today,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the school counselor had decided\Nthat -- and that was the name --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that game boys should be left home.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which makes me think if what we're \Ndiscussing here is not way away
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from what the reality looks like,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're here sitting and discussing \Nreally interesting topics,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in our ideal state of mind,\Nit's something like that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I go out and see people like\NDonald Trump who are ......... check
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about our education system,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a reason for shutting \Nthe whole thing down, I think.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter, applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that. Yes,\Nanother one here, in the front block.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 22) Hello, I come from \Nthe University of Oslo, Norway,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...... (check name).
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was quite a lot of investigation \Nin Norway, a few years back.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They asked employers, I would like to go\Nto employers:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What kinds of skills are you looking for
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"in a candidate that you consider \Nemploying?"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the first one was: \Nability to cooperate.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we asked to ourselves,\Nare we doing that?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the next one on the list was\Nability to attain new knowledge;
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next, ability to think independently\Nand critically;
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication skills; ability \Nto use knowledge in new fields;
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ability to establish contact \N........... (check) relations.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, we're not doing these things,\Nwe're not -- kind of.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Point 7 on the list was good theoretical\Nknowledge in your field of science.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what we're doing all the time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean it's great to see \Nso many people here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but let's face it, most people\Nare not here. (Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means that lectures -- I mean it's \Ngreat to see many people at this meeting,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerned with teaching in general,\Nbut the fact is that most lectures,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say basic course in first year mathematic,\Nwhatever, at my university,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are being taught today in exactly \Nthe same way as when I was a student,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thirty years ago.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why this conference \Nis important,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why we need to provide students --\Nsome people have to take responsibility
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide students with the skills \Nthat employers need.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)\N(Moderator) Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was another question just near\Nto the last speaker, in the same block,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the lady there, just the row in front,\NI think.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 23) Hi, Lisa, \Nwith the Global School Network.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And ........ (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps it's not just what skills \Nwe're teaching, but more so
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what 21st century pedagogical skills\Nthat we're using, in that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes it's just as important\Nhow it's being taught
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than what is being taught.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think back to my college and\Nin some of the courses,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes when I was going through\Nthe course catalog,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it wasn't how exciting the title was,\Nbut who was teaching it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that goes back to \Nsome of the test scores
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that teachers are very focused on as well.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when I look at my daughter\Nwho has started school
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what when I started school\N30 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and looking at how she is being taught
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- taking away from ...... (check)\Nwhat should be included --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a lot of that rote learning and a lot\Nof new skills they're using as well, so.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, thank you, another one\Nin the ..... (check) over there
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 24) Hi, my name is ...... (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I work for UNESCO.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want to ask, \Nnot just for the panelists,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think for everyone.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe after 20, 30 years or so, are we\Nstill going to talk about the same thing?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or are we going to -- what the idea\Nwould be the next topic
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're going to talk about?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just wanted to also reiterate what \Nour head of office is actually saying,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean -- ..... (check name) --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he always say that the world is not\Nhungry for more words, more resolutions,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more talks and more panel discussions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world is actually hungry \Nfor more actions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you. We've got about\N5 minutes left for questions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please, so if you want to ask a question,\Njust stick your hand up
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we can get an idea: \NI think there is about three more.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the man right at the back \Non the back of the aisle here,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the right hand side, please, first.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 25) Hi, ............. (check name)\Nfrom London.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Miles mentioned knowledge and character,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think one thing left out here is values.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know, we need knowledge\Nto do things,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need skills to do things,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we first have to agree at\Nwhat's worthy of doing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, thank you, and there was\Na question, again on the aisle, here,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the left hand side -- \Nlady just down here: that's it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 26) It's not really \Na question, but a challenge, maybe
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the panelists.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I miss a little bit of diversity, so\Nmaybe more ethnical background,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different ethnical backgrounds\Nlooking at the same question,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how is it that we are addressing this\Nin different contexts.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So maybe for the next plenary, we can have\Na bit more diversity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, and then there's --\Nthere are two, right at the back,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the right hand side.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 27) .................... (check name)\NBelgrade, Serbia.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Part of the title of this panel is that\Nsoft skills, 21st century skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be taught.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question is, is there any published\Nevidence as to what extent
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teaching them really changes \Nthe mastery of these skills?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) And I think, a final question,\Nagain at the right of the back --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- or a contribution -- right at the back\Non the -- here we are, that's it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Participant 27) Thank you. My name is \NHeike Dratch (check name.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm working for ........ (check)\Nan international cooperation organization.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my -- what I'm lacking a bit here is,\Nin looking at 21st century skills,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then looking at Paris, \Nthe climate change conference,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what kind of skills do we need, \Nto look into the future
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really see what we're doing now\Nis a future-oriented, sustainable activity.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what kind of skills are not taught,\Nin the sense of having
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a future orientation of our behavior now\Nand how we can change our behaviors
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is a -- probably \Nin the next 10, 20 years,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need answers for that, \Nhow we change our behavior
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and seeing all effects \Nof what we're doing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) OK, thank you \Nvery much for that,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you everyone \Nfor your questions and contributions
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm now going to ask one speaker from\Neach side to sum up,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to deal with the points \Nthat you've made
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to make their final pitch \Nfor your votes.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, first of all, I will ask our speakers\Nagainst the motion to sum up.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got 5 minutes.\N(Allan Päll) Alright, thank you very much,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also very happy to hear \Nthe different nuances
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and different arguments raised, \Nand I think that the question --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questioning the very question itself\Nis a good one,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it is difficult to pin down.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would perhaps like to start with\Nthe broadest question, in terms of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would the 22nd century skills be?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And unless the world will change \Ncompletely
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or we will run out of resources\Non the planet,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or we will have a nuclear war,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially, it will look similar,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it could also be that we are just\N......able (check)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a metric slide singularity that some\Nare predicting.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, of course, it would be\Ncompletely different, because
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there would be no physical interaction.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So our mind needs to be open for even\Nfundamental, more fundamental changes
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than we can even imagine.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, I think there was a --\None important reflection indeed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how do we teach\Nand what is the pedagogy
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used in hour educational system.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think our main problem, if we are \Nto look anyone who is to be blamed,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that -- is not education itself,\Nis not the educators or the teachers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it may be indeed in this obsession\Nwith standards, standardized testing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also indeed, I would even go to argue,\Nwith qualifications.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, you might say, we want to be sure \Nthat you, as an engineer,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are properly qualified, or as a doctor.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we need to be sure that you have made\N-- have a certain set of skills
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to perform that job.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then again, perhaps, the way\Nthat we conduct learning
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not recognizing the fact that learning\Nis not something
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that an educational institution can have\Na monopoly over.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thus, maybe, we need to open that up\Nmuch more and say that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to recognize any kind of\Ncompetences, skills, values
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you gain anywhere.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think -- I think in terms of\Nbuilding that critical thinking,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I do think is important, and which\Nhas existed throughout centuries
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is needed for the future as well,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if we want to make sure that it is\Nbetter done.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We really need to look at, OK, let's\Nrecognize that this happens everywhere
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and let's also see that we don't need\Nto ignore the subject matter
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but use participative methods of teaching\Nand learning in our environment.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's where \Nthe difference comes from.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But however, I do believe that \Nthe very standard academic methods
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are still giving us the basic abilities\Nfor things like critical thinking.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)\N(Moderator) Thank you. OK?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to you got a couple of minutes\Nto ......
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Berry) Very briefly, a couple of other\Nthings worth saying, I think,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in addition to what Allan said.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trust schools! Actually, so much of what \Nwe heard about here
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happens in the day to day life \Nof the classroom.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does school do, \Nyes, it is about education,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this passing on of knowledge\Nto the next generation.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's also about building character,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's also about young people\Nhaving that experience
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of getting on with one another\Nand working collaboratively,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of working creatively.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much of what we are labeling perhaps\Nas 21st century skills is happening.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teachers are committed to this \Nsort of thing,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this happens in most of the classrooms,\Nlength and breadth of most countries,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apart from when the testing \Ngets in the way,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Allan has already made clear that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the reasons \Nwhy this has happened?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, in part, it is this sort of\Npreparation for the future.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look back at the start\Nof the 20th century,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were newspaper articles,\Nthere were magazine articles
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what should be 20th century skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many of those \Nare still relevant today?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd say most of those \Nare still relevant today.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the photography thing:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, we are working \Nwith different cameras now
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the knowledge of what makes\Na good photograph,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the wisdom to discern \Na good photograph
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a less good photograph\Nis still just,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think is just as important now \Nas it was then.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in summary, 21st century skills\Nare being taught in schools.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are addressing this.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But actually, there are much more\Nimportant things
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we should be focusing on: knowledge,\Npassing that on to the next generation,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and character, and yes, values, \Nabsolutely right.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the question about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what should we be doing \Nin terms of 22nd century skills.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suspect the values of respect for\None another, of integrity,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of willingness to be courageous,\Nas I was talking about,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's going to be just as important then\Nas it is now. Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)\N(Moderator) Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, I'll now ask our speakers \Nfor the motion
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sum up and you've got 5 minutes.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pedro De Bruyckere) I'll say one minute,\None answer to one question,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then, Jo will conclude.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there was a question, \N"Who is to blame."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's easy: we are.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are all, because we've fogotten\Nwhat school is about.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look back what school really means,\Nit means free time.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I say this to my son, he will start\Nthrowing things,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it means free of economic value.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if you go to a hair salon\Nin a school,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know it will take much longer time\Nthan in a real hair salon,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the emphasis is not \Non earning money, but on learning.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And today, because of the testings,\Nbecause of the focus,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teachers need to to focus on\Nvery specific elements
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've forgotten what schooling \Nis about, what school is about.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we bring back school, then maybe
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these 21st century skills \Nwill be taught again.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you. Jo.\N(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Jo Swinson) So, I firstly want to answer\Na question that Miles asked, which was
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Who uses a spreadsheet to plan a party?"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would just say that anyone that asks\Nthat question has never planned a wedding.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it was -- a guy at the back said:\N"Most people are not in this room."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is actually part of the problem.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if the world was \Nlike the people in this room,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i don't think there'd be such concern,\NI think that we would be able
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stand here and say that \N21st century skills are being taught.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, going round the exhibitions,\Nseeing the innovation, the creativity,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really inspiring.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think we all know \Nfrom our own experience
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the world out there \Nisn't quite as enlightened.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the measurement is a stifling problem.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What gets measured gets done.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So of course, if you have endless testing,\Nthen teachers will teach to the test.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I noted the reference to Michael Gove:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd just like to just say for the record:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a part of the coalition \Ntrying to rein him in at that point.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think Elijah talked about the values\Nin organizations,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how the values even of our societies \Nis changing.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's right and it's important --\NI think it's exciting.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are moving to an age where there is\Nfar less deference
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has its challenges in ll sorts\Nof walks of life, from anchors
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to medicine, to politics, to the media.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I also think it's \Na positive development
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people can make \Ntheir critical analysis
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the institutions around us,\Nrather than assuming that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if somebody is in authority,\Nthen they must be right.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in the business world, there is \Na move towards more collaboration
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than just pure competition.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The pursuit of profit is still important,\Nbut conversations ..... (check) purpose
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are also increasingly heard.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that the leadership models
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are now experienced and valued \Nthe most
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are not the ones about just \Nin a military style,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling people what to do,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but actually about working \Nwith individuals,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to lead them and motivate them,\Nand get the best out of a team.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this has an impact \Nfor all of our careers paths.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't just go into one job\Nand stay there for 40 years.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And therefore we need to change the way\Nwe are preparing people for this world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lady in the audience mentioned that we \Nare, as human beings, naturally adaptive,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would agree we are, but we need \Nto be helped to do that even more,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we do need to adapt \Nmore than we did
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we stayed in one job for 40 years\Nin our career.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that lifelong learning is actually\Nso important.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By all means, we should talk about \Nwhat happens in the education system
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's just as important for, \Nwhen we're all here in 20 years time
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are, you know, trying to keep track\Nof the world that has suddenly developed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to find a way \Nof staying up to date.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, can these skills be taught?\NHow can these skills be taught?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, they absolutely have to be taught
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we need to figure out \Nthe answers to that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People need to acquire these skills\Nand they will need help to do it.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that teaching can come \Nfrom a range of sources.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, the formal education system\Nbut also parents and our peers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and indeed I would argue, particularly\Nto the point, in some dimension,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about all the people in the audience,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, ultimately, one of the ways\N21st century skills will be taught
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be from our children \Nand grandchildren.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.\N(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) Thank you for that, \NJo and Pedro,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you to all our speakers\Nand thank you to your contributions.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll now take a vote on this, so\Nwould all those in favor of the motion:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This house believes 21st century skills\Naren't being taught and they should be."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please raise their hand, in the singular:\None hand each.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.That's all those in favor.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all those against.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Inaudible off voice - laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Moderator) That's not --\Nthat is very close but I would say that --
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the motion is lost on that.\N(Boos and clapping)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say I would be happy to --\Nbut only just.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's very, very narrow vote.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you very much indeed \Nfor all your contributions
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your attention, and I have a number\Nof announcements just to make, actually.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to remind you that the Online Educa\NOEB party, Weihnachts Fest
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will take place and the tickets are\Non sale at the reception.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will take place tonight, \Nthere'll be food, drink
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and 25 liters of fake snow.\N(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's something to look forward to.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other thing is that many of you\Nwill remember
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our dear friend and colleague Jay Cross,\Nwho died recently.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Jay was one of the real stars \Nof OEB in the past.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know that he was a great friend to \Nmany people who attend this conference
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is going to be a special session\Nwhich will take place now
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in room Potsdam 1, which will look at\NJay Cross's legacy in person and in print
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this session will feature \NJay's colleagues
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Internet Time Alliance, \Nwho will remember his influence
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and present his legacy.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I do hope you'll take the opportunity\Nto go along and take part in that session.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you all very much indeed, \NLadies and Gentlemen.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Recordings of this session will be uploaded to\Nwww.online-educa.com]
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Recording is provided by Presentations 200\NMaking Video Reality]