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Russell Brand who are you to edit a political magazine?
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well i suppose like a person who's been
politely asked by attractive woman
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I don't know what the typical criteria is
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I don't know many people that edit political magazines
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Boris, he used to do on, didn't he?
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so i'm a person with crazy hair
quite good sense of humor
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don't know much about politics,
I'm ideal!
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but is it true you don't even vote?
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Yeah no i dont vote/
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well how do you have any authority
to talk about politics?
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well I don't get my authority from this
pre-existing paradigm which is quite narrow
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and only serves a few people.
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I look elsewhere for alternatives that might be of service to humanity
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alternate means, alternate political systems
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they being?
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well ive not invented it yet Jeremy!
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i had to do a magazine last week,
ive had a lot on me plate!
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but, i say, here's the thing that it shouldnt do:
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shouldn't destroy the planet,
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shouldn't create massive economic disparity,
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shouldn't ignore the needs of the people.
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the burden of proof is on the people with the power
not people like doing a magazine
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how do you imagine the people get power?
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well I imagine there are sort of hierarchical systems that have been preserved for generations...
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[J] they get power by being voted in...
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you wont even be asked to vote
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[R] thats quite a narrow
quite narrow prescriptive parameter
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that changes within the...
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[J] in a democracy that's how it works
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[R] well I don't think is working very well Jeremy,
given that the planet is being destroyed,
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given there's economic disparity of a huge degree
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what you sayin theres no alternative?
theres no alternative?
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[J] no im not saying that. im saying that
if you cant be asked to vote,
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why should we be asked to listen
to your political point of view?
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[R] you don't have to listen to my political point of view,
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but its not that im not voting out of apathy,
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im not voting out of absolute indifference, and weariness, and exhaustion,
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from the lies, treachery, deceit of the political class,
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that has been going on for generations now,
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and which has now reached fever pitch
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where we have a disenfranchised, disillusioned, despondent underclass,
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that are not being represented
by that political system
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so voting for it is tacit complicity with that system
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that's not something I'm offering up
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[J] well why dont you change it then?
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[R] im trying to!
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[J] well why dont you start by voting?
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[J laughing] i dont think it works!
people have voted already,
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and thats whats created the current paradigm
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[J] when did you last vote?
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[R] never
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[J] you've never ever voted?
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[R] no, do you think that's really bad?
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[J] so you struck an attitude, what,
before the age of 18?
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[R] well i was busy being a drug addict at that point
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because i come from the kind of socialconditions
that are exacerbated
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by an indifferent system that really just administrates for large corporations
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and ignores the population
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[J] youre blaming the political class the fact that you had a drug problem?
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[R] no no no i'm saying I was part of the social and economic class
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that is underserved by the current political system
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and drug addiction's one of the problems it creates
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when you have huge underserved impoverished populations people get drug problems
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and also don't feel like they want to engage
with the current political system
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because they see that it doesn't work for them,
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they see that it makes no difference.
they see that they're not served.
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[J] of course it doesnt work for them
if they dont bother to vote!
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[R] Jeremy my darling, im not saying...
the apathy doesn't come from us the people
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the apathy comes from the politicians
they are apathetic to our needs
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they're only interested in servicing
the needs of corporations
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look at what... aint the Tories going to court, to take the EU to court because they're trying to curtail bank bonuses?
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Is that whats happening at the moment
in our country?
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It is, isnt it?
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So why am i gonna tune in for that?
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[J] You dont believe in democracy,
you want a revolution, dont you!
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the planet is being destroyed,
we are creating an underclass,
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we are exploiting poor people all over the world
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and the genuine legitimate problems the people are not being addressed by our political class.
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[J] All of those things may be true...
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[R] they are true!
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[J] but you took... i wouldnt argue with you about many of them...
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[R] well outcome I feel so cross with you,
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it cant be because of that beard, its gorgeous!
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and if the Daily Mail dont want it, i do!
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im against them! grow it longer!
tangle it into your armpit hair.
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[J] You are a very trivial man.
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[R] oh do you think I'm trivial?
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[J] yes!
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[R] a minute ago you were havin a go at me because i want a revolution, now im trivial!
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im bouncin' about all over the place!
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[J] im not having a go at you because you want a revolution, many people want a revolution,
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but im asking you what it will be like?
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[R] well I think what it won't be like is
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a huge disparity between rich and poor
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where 300 Americans have the same amount of wealth as the 85 million poorest americans
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where there is a an exploited and underserved underclass that have been continually ignored,
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where welfare is slashed while Cameron and Osborne go to court
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to defend the right of bankers to continue receiving their bonuses, thats all im saying.
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[J] what's the scheme? Thats all im asking, whats the scheme?
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you talked vaguely about revolution, what is it?
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[R] I think a socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth,
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heavy taxation of corporations and massive responsibility for energy companies
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and any companies exploiting the environment,
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i think they should be tax...
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I think the very concept of profit
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David Cameron says profit isn't a dirty word, I say profit is a filthy word
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because wherever there is profit there is also a deficit,
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and this system currently doesn't address these ideas.
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and so why would anyone vote for it?
why would anyone be interested?
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[J] who would levy these taxes?
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I think we do need like... there needs to be a centralized administrative system...
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[J] a government?
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[R] well maybe call it something else, call it like
the AdminBods so they dont get ahead of themselves...
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[J] how would they be chosen?
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jeremy, dont ask me to sit here in an interview with you in a bloody hotel room,
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and devise a global utopian system
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im merely pointing out that the current...
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[J] you are calling for revolution!
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[R] Yeah! absolutely! I'm calling for change,
I'm calling for genuine alternatives.
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[J] there are many people who would agree with you...
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[R] good!
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[J] the current system is not engaging with all sorts of problems, yes,
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and they feel apathetic really apathetic,
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but if they were to take you seriously and not to vote
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[R] yeah they shouldnt vote, thats one thing they should do: dont bother voting
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because when it reaches... theres a point...
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you see these little valves, these sort of like cozy little valves of recycling and Prius and like, turnups somewhere...
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it stops us reaching the pit point wherre we think this is enough now, stop voting, stop pretending,
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wake up! be in reality now. time to be in reality now.
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why vote? we know it isnt going to make any difference, we know that already.
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so you know I have more impact out West Ham United, cheering them on,
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and they lost the city, unnecessarily, sad.
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[J] Now you're being facetious.
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[R] well, facetiousness has as much value
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I think you're making the mistake
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[J] We're not going to solve world problems
by facetiousness.
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[R] we're not going to solve them with the current system!
at least facetiousness is funny.
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[J] sometimes
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[R] yes sometimes Jeremy
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so listen, lets approach this optimistically
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you spent your whole career berating and haranguing politicians,
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and then when someone like me, a comedian, goes "yeah theyre all worthless, whats the point in engaging with any of them?"
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you sort of have a go at me because im not poor anymore.
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[J] im not having a go at you about that
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I'm just asking why would you take you seriously when you're so unspecific ...
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[R] will II firstly I don't mind if you take me seriously
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I'm here just to draw attention to a few ideas I just wanna have a little bit of a laugh.
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I'm saying there are people with alternative ideas that are far better qualified than i am,
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and far better qualified more importantly
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than the people that currently doing that job
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because thyere not attempting to solve these problems,
they're not.
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they're attempting to placate the population.
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Their measures that are currently being taken around climate change are indifferent,
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will not solve the problems
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[J] it's possible as human beings they're simply overwhelmed by the scale of the problem
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[R] not really, well, possibly it might be that, I mean but that's just semantics really,
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whether they're overwhelmed by it or tacitly maintaining it because it's habitual...
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i mean like, mate, this is what i noticed
when I was in that house of parliament,
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its decorated exactly the same as Eton,
its decorated exactly the same as Oxford,
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so certain type people goes in there and thinks
"oh! this makes me nervous!"
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and another type of people go in there go
"this is how it should be!"
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and I think that's gotta change now.
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we can no longer have erroneous duplicitous systems held in place
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unless it's only systems that serve the planet and serve the population of the planet,
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can be allowed to survive.
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Not ones that serve elites, be they political or corporate elites.
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And this is whats currently happening.
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[J] You dont really believe that.
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[R] I completely believe it.
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Dont look at me all bleary like youre at
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... went to the same primary school as Boris though didnt he?
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[J] he did but he then went to a comprehensive school in North London.
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[R] thats very good, that's all very well and good...
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but what i'm saying is that within the existing paradigm the change is not dramatic enough, not radical enough,
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so you can well understand public disturbances and public dissatisfaction
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when theyre are not genuine changes and genuine alternates being offered.
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i say that when there is a genuine alternative, a genuine option, then vote for that.
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But until then? Pffffft! Dont bother. Why pretend? Why be complicit in this ridiculous illusion?
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because by the time somebody comes along you might think it worth voting for it may be too late.
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I don't think so because the time is now this movement is already occurring its happening everywhere,
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we're in a time where communication is instantaneous and their communities all over the world.
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the Occupy movement made a difference in even if only in introduced to the popular lexicon
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the idea of the 1% versus the 99%.
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People for the first time in a generation are aware of massive corporate and economic exploitation
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these things and not nonsense and these as subjects are not being addressed.
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they have no one's doing anything about tax havens,
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no one's doing anything about their political affiliations and financial affiliations at the Conservative Party,
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so until people addressing things that are actually real,
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why wouldnt i be facetious? why would I take it seriously?
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why would I encourage a constituency of young people that are absolutely indifferent, to vote?
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why would we? aren't you bored? arent you more bored than anyone?
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aint you been talking on year after year listening to their lies? they're nonsense?
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then its this one gets in, then its that one gets in, but this problem continues?
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why we gonna continue to contribute to this facade?
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I'm surprise you can be facetious when you're that angry about it.
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Yeah i am angry. i am angry.
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because for me it's real.
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because for me is not just some peripheral thing that i turn up once in awhile to church faithful.
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for for me this is what come from this is what care about
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Do you see any hope?
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yeah, totally, there's gonna be a revolution, it's totally going to happen.
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i aint got a flicker of doubt,
this is the end.
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this is time to wake up.
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I remember I see you in that program where you look at your ancestors,
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and you saw the way your grandmother, who had to brass herself,
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or got fucked over by the aristocrats who ran her a gaff,
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you cried because you knew that it was unfair, and unjust.
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and that was what was that a century ago?
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thats happening to people now.
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i just come from a woman is being treated like that,
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ive just been talking to a woman, today, who's being treated like that.
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so if we can engage that feeling
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instead of some moment of lacrimo sentimentality trotted out on the tv for people to pour over emotional porn,
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sentimentality played out in a TV for people to pour over emotional porn
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if we can engage that feeling, and change things, why wouldnt we?
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why is that naive? why is that not my right because im an actor?
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i mean, i've taken the right.
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I don't need the right from you.
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i dont need the right from anybody.
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im takin' it.