0:00:01.300,0:00:04.160 Russell Brand, who are you to edit a political[br]magazine? 0:00:04.160,0:00:09.970 Well, I suppose like a person whoís been[br]politely asked by an attractive woman. I don't 0:00:09.970,0:00:13.220 know what the typical criteria is. I don't[br]know many people that edit political magazines. 0:00:13.220,0:00:17.320 Boris [Johnson]..he used to do one, didn't[br]he? So I'm a kind of, a person with crazy 0:00:17.320,0:00:20.269 hair, quite a good sense of humour, don't[br]know much about politics, I'm ideal. 0:00:20.269,0:00:22.890 But is it true you don't even vote? 0:00:22.890,0:00:24.640 Yeah, no, I don't vote. 0:00:24.640,0:00:27.439 Well how do you have any authority to talk[br]about politics then? 0:00:27.439,0:00:32.649 Well I don't get my authority from this pre-existing[br]paradigm which is quite narrow and only serves 0:00:32.649,0:00:39.649 a few people. I look elsewhere, for alternatives,[br]that might be of service to humanity. Alternate 0:00:39.780,0:00:41.960 means; alternate political systems. 0:00:41.960,0:00:42.780 They being? 0:00:42.780,0:00:46.489 Well I've not invented it yet, Jeremy. I[br]had to do a magazine last week. I've had 0:00:46.489,0:00:50.920 a lot on me plate. But I say, but here's[br]the thing that you shouldn't do. Shouldn't 0:00:50.920,0:00:55.719 destroy the planet, shouldn't create massive[br]economic disparity, shouldn't ignore the 0:00:55.719,0:00:59.940 needs of the people. The burden of proof is[br]on the people with the power, not people, 0:00:59.940,0:01:00.960 like, doing a magazine for a novelty. 0:01:00.960,0:01:04.709 How do you imagine that people get power? 0:01:04.709,0:01:08.420 Well I imagine there are sort of hierarchical[br]systems that have been preserved through generations. 0:01:08.420,0:01:10.240 They get power by being voted in, that's[br]how they get power. 0:01:10.240,0:01:10.890 Well you say that Jeremy. 0:01:10.890,0:01:12.020 You can't even be arsed to vote? 0:01:12.020,0:01:16.750 It's quite a narrow, quite a narrow prescriptive[br]parameter that changes within in. 0:01:16.750,0:01:18.970 In a democracy that's how it works. 0:01:18.970,0:01:23.190 Well I don't think it's working very well,[br]Jeremy. Given that the planet is being destroyed, 0:01:23.190,0:01:25.330 given that there is economic disparity of[br]a huge degree. What are you saying? There's 0:01:25.330,0:01:26.830 no alternative? There's no alternative? Just[br]this system? 0:01:26.830,0:01:31.300 No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying if you[br]can't be arsed to vote why should we be asked 0:01:31.300,0:01:32.890 to listen to your political point of view? 0:01:32.890,0:01:35.810 You don't have to listen to my political[br]point of view. But it's not that I'm not 0:01:35.810,0:01:41.000 voting out of apathy. I'm not voting out[br]of absolute indifference and weariness and 0:01:41.000,0:01:45.460 exhaustion from the lies, treachery, deceit[br]of the political class, that has been going 0:01:45.460,0:01:50.430 on for generations now. And which has now[br]reached fever pitch where you have a disenfranchised, 0:01:50.430,0:01:54.440 disillusioned, despondent underclass that[br]are not being represented by that political 0:01:54.440,0:01:58.880 system, so voting for it is tacit complicity[br]with that system and thatís not something 0:01:58.880,0:01:59.690 I'm offering up. 0:01:59.690,0:02:01.520 Well why donít you change it then? 0:02:01.520,0:02:02.300 I'm trying to. 0:02:02.300,0:02:03.910 Well why don't you start by voting? 0:02:03.910,0:02:07.900 I don't think it works. People have voted[br]already and that's what's created the current 0:02:07.900,0:02:08.150 paradigm. 0:02:08.128,0:02:09.350 When did you last vote? 0:02:09.350,0:02:09.729 Never. 0:02:09.729,0:02:11.250 You've never, ever voted? 0:02:11.250,0:02:13.410 No. Do you think that's really bad? 0:02:13.410,0:02:15.820 So you struck an attitude, what, before the[br]age of 18? 0:02:15.820,0:02:19.210 Well I was busy being a drug addict at that[br]point, because I come from the kind of social 0:02:19.210,0:02:23.270 conditions that are exacerbated by an indifferent[br]system that, really, just administrates for 0:02:23.270,0:02:26.730 large corporations and ignores the population[br]that it was voted in to serve. 0:02:26.730,0:02:29.820 Youíre blaming the political class for the[br]fact that you had a drug problem? 0:02:29.820,0:02:34.980 No, no, no. I'm saying I was part of a social[br]and economic class that is underserved by 0:02:34.980,0:02:38.740 the current political system. And drug addiction[br]is one of the problems it creates when you 0:02:38.740,0:02:44.700 have huge, underserved, impoverished populations,[br]people get drug problems. And, also, don't 0:02:44.700,0:02:48.720 feel like they want to engage with the current[br]political system because they see that it 0:02:48.720,0:02:51.440 doesn't work for them. They see that it makes[br]no difference. They see that they're not 0:02:51.440,0:02:52.750 served. I say that the apathy - 0:02:52.750,0:02:55.310 Of course it doesn't work for them if they[br]didn't bother to vote. 0:02:55.310,0:02:58.980 Jeremy, my darling, I'm not saying - the apathy[br]doesn't come from us, the people. The apathy 0:02:58.980,0:03:02.200 comes from the politicians. They are apathetic[br]to our needs, they're only interested in 0:03:02.200,0:03:06.290 servicing the needs of corporations. Look[br]at..ainít the Tories going to court, taking 0:03:06.290,0:03:10.600 the EU to court, because theyíre trying to[br]curtail bank bonuses? Isn't that what's 0:03:10.600,0:03:12.160 happening at the moment in our country? It[br]is, innit? 0:03:12.160,0:03:12.410 Yeah. 0:03:12.330,0:03:14.709 So what am I gonna do, tune in for that? 0:03:14.709,0:03:17.430 You don't believe in democracy. You want[br]a revolution don't you? 0:03:17.430,0:03:21.910 The planet is being destroyed, we are creating[br]an underclass, weíre exploiting poor people 0:03:21.910,0:03:25.930 all over the world and the genuine, legitimate[br]problems of the people are not being addressed 0:03:25.930,0:03:27.140 by our political class. 0:03:27.140,0:03:28.410 All of those things may be true. 0:03:28.410,0:03:29.520 They are true. 0:03:29.520,0:03:32.760 But you took - I wouldnt argue with you about[br]many of them. 0:03:32.760,0:03:36.790 Well how come I feel so cross with you? It[br]can't just be because of that beard, it's 0:03:36.790,0:03:37.209 gorgeous. 0:03:37.209,0:03:37.910 It's possibly because - 0:03:37.910,0:03:41.010 And if the Daily Mail don't want it, I do.[br]Because I'm against them. Grow it longer. 0:03:41.010,0:03:43.990 Tangle it into your armpit hair. 0:03:43.990,0:03:46.010 You are a very trivial man. 0:03:46.010,0:03:47.010 What you think I am, trivial? 0:03:47.010,0:03:47.260 Yes. 0:03:47.060,0:03:51.240 A minute ago you were having a go at me because[br]I wanted a revolution now I'm trivial, I'm 0:03:51.240,0:03:51.650 bouncing about all over the place. 0:03:51.650,0:03:55.450 Im not having a go at you because you want[br]a revolution, many people want a revolution, 0:03:55.450,0:03:57.890 but I'm asking you what it would be like. 0:03:57.890,0:04:04.610 Well I think what it won't be like is a huge[br]disparity between rich and poor where 300 0:04:04.610,0:04:10.580 Americans have the same amount of wealth as[br]the 85 million poorest Americans, where there 0:04:10.580,0:04:15.060 is an exploited and underserved underclass[br]that are being continually ignored, where 0:04:15.060,0:04:19.659 welfare is slashed while Cameron and Osbourne[br]go to court to defend the rights of bankers 0:04:19.659,0:04:22.930 to continue receiving their bonuses. That's[br]all I'm saying. 0:04:22.930,0:04:27.099 What's the scheme, that's all I'm asking.[br]What's the scheme? You talked vaguely about 0:04:27.099,0:04:28.490 a revolution, what is it? 0:04:28.490,0:04:32.650 I think a socialist egalitarian system, based[br]on the massive redistribution of wealth, heavy 0:04:32.650,0:04:38.699 taxation of corporations and massive responsibility[br]for energy companies and any companies exploiting 0:04:38.699,0:04:43.539 the environment - I think the very concept[br]of profit should be hugely reduced. David 0:04:43.539,0:04:47.460 Cameron said profit isnít a dirty word, I[br]say profit is a filthy word. Because wherever 0:04:47.460,0:04:51.900 there is profit there is also deficit. And[br]this system currently doesn't address these 0:04:51.900,0:04:55.669 ideas. And so why would anyone vote for it?[br]Why would anyone be interested in it? 0:04:55.669,0:04:57.430 Who would levy these taxes? 0:04:57.430,0:05:01.039 I think there needs to be a centralised administrative[br]system but built on - 0:05:01.039,0:05:01.699 A government? 0:05:01.699,0:05:06.699 Yes, well, maybe call it something else. Call[br]them like the Admin Bods so they don't get 0:05:06.699,0:05:07.449 ahead of themselves. 0:05:07.449,0:05:08.969 And how would they be chosen? 0:05:08.969,0:05:13.349 Jeremy, don't ask me to sit here in an interview[br]with you, in a bloody hotel room and devise 0:05:13.349,0:05:17.050 a global, utopian system. I'm merely pointing[br]out that the current - 0:05:17.050,0:05:18.039 You're calling for revolution! 0:05:18.039,0:05:23.319 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm calling for change.[br]Iím calling for genuine alternatives. 0:05:23.319,0:05:25.210 There are many people who would agree with[br]you... 0:05:25.210,0:05:25.460 Good. 0:05:25.370,0:05:31.439 The current system is not engaging with all[br]sorts of problems, yes. And they feel apathetic, 0:05:31.439,0:05:36.900 really apathetic. But if they were to take[br]you seriously, and not to vote - 0:05:36.900,0:05:39.749 Yeah, they shouldnít vote, that's what I'm[br]thinking they should do, don't bother voting. 0:05:39.749,0:05:43.539 Because when it reaches..there's a point - You[br]see these little valves, these sort of cosy 0:05:43.539,0:05:48.689 little valves of recycling and and you know[br]like turns up somewhere, it starts reaching 0:05:48.689,0:05:53.020 the point where you think, ' this is enough[br]now. Stop voting. Stop pretending. Wake up. 0:05:53.020,0:05:57.259 Be in reality now. Time to be in reality now'.[br]Why vote? We know it's not going to make 0:05:57.259,0:05:58.169 any difference? We know that already. 0:05:58.169,0:05:58.960 It does make a difference. 0:05:58.960,0:06:04.819 I have more impact at West Ham United, cheering[br]them on, and they lost to City, unnecessarily, 0:06:04.819,0:06:05.559 sadly. 0:06:05.559,0:06:08.509 Now you're being facetious. 0:06:08.509,0:06:12.949 Facetiousness has as much value as seriousness,[br]I think you're making the mistake, of mistaking 0:06:12.949,0:06:13.699 seriousness for the - 0:06:13.699,0:06:16.379 You're not going to solve world problems[br]by facetiousness. 0:06:16.379,0:06:22.229 Weíre not going to solve them with the current[br]system. At least facetiousness is funny. 0:06:22.229,0:06:22.909 Sometimes. 0:06:22.909,0:06:26.099 Yeah, sometimes, Jeremy. So listen. So let's[br]approach this optimistically. You've spent 0:06:26.099,0:06:30.189 your whole career berating and haranguing[br]politicians. And then when someone like me, 0:06:30.189,0:06:32.189 a comedian, goes 'they're all worthless,[br]what's the point in engaging with any of 0:06:32.189,0:06:35.789 them', you sort of have a go at me because[br]I'm not poor anymore. 0:06:35.789,0:06:40.439 I'm not having a go at you about that. I'm[br]just asking why we should take you seriously 0:06:40.439,0:06:41.629 when you're so unspecific - 0:06:41.629,0:06:47.779 You don't have to take - Firstly, I don't[br]mind if you take me seriously. I'm here just 0:06:47.779,0:06:52.099 to draw attention to a few ideas, I just want[br]to have a little bit of a laugh. I'm saying 0:06:52.099,0:06:55.939 there are people with alternative ideas that[br]are far better qualified than I am, and far 0:06:55.939,0:06:59.830 better qualified, more importantly, than the[br]people that are currently doing that job. 0:06:59.830,0:07:03.369 Because they're not attempting to solve these[br]problems. They're not. They're attempting 0:07:03.369,0:07:07.759 to placate the population. There are measures[br]currently being taken around climate change 0:07:07.759,0:07:10.210 are indifferent, will not solve, will not[br]solve the problem. 0:07:10.210,0:07:15.680 Is it possible that, as human beings, they're[br]simply overwhelmed by the scale of the problem? 0:07:15.680,0:07:18.669 Not really, well possibly. It might be that,[br]but that's all just semantics really, whether 0:07:18.669,0:07:23.649 they're overwhelmed by it or tacitly maintaining[br]it because of habitual - I mean like, mate, 0:07:23.649,0:07:27.349 this is what I noticed when I was in that[br]Houses of Parliament. It's decorated exactly 0:07:27.349,0:07:31.129 the same as Eton, is decorated exactly the[br]same as Oxford. So a certain type of people 0:07:31.129,0:07:33.770 goes in there and thinks 'this makes me nervous'[br]and then another type of people go in there 0:07:33.770,0:07:38.379 and go 'this is how it should be'. And I[br]think that's got to change now. We can no 0:07:38.379,0:07:43.849 longer have erroneous, duplicitous systems[br]held in place unless it's for the serve - only 0:07:43.849,0:07:47.119 systems that serve the planet and serve the[br]population of the planet can be allowed to 0:07:47.119,0:07:51.490 survive. Not ones that serve elites, be they[br]political or corporate elites and this is 0:07:51.490,0:07:52.749 what's currently happening. 0:07:52.749,0:07:54.849 You don't really believe that. 0:07:54.849,0:07:58.899 I completely believe it. Dont look at me[br]all weary, like you're at a fireside with 0:07:58.899,0:07:59.779 your pipe and your beard. 0:07:59.779,0:08:00.659 I mean Ed Miliband (inaudible) - 0:08:00.659,0:08:03.479 Well he went to the same primary school as[br]Boris, didn't he? 0:08:03.479,0:08:06.089 He did but he then went to a comprehensive[br]school in north London. 0:08:06.089,0:08:10.610 Well that's all well and good. But what I'm[br]saying is, within the existing paradigm, the 0:08:10.610,0:08:14.449 change is not dramatic enough, not radical[br]enough. So you can well understand public 0:08:14.449,0:08:18.990 disturbances and public dissatisfaction, when[br]there are not genuine changes and genuine 0:08:18.990,0:08:22.919 alternatives being offered. I say when there[br]is a genuine alternative, a genuine option, 0:08:22.919,0:08:28.270 then vote for that. But until then, pffft,[br]don't bother. Why pretend? Why be complicit 0:08:28.270,0:08:30.629 in this ridiculous illusion? 0:08:30.629,0:08:34.839 Because by the time somebody comes along you[br]might think it worth voting for, it may be 0:08:34.839,0:08:35.500 too late. 0:08:35.500,0:08:39.159 I don't think so because the time is now,[br]this movement is already occurring, it's 0:08:39.159,0:08:42.349 happening everywhere, we're in a time where[br]communication is instantaneous and there are 0:08:42.349,0:08:47.069 communities all over the world. The Occupy[br]movement made a difference in even if, only 0:08:47.069,0:08:52.709 in that, it introduced, to the popular public[br]lexicon, the idea of the 1% versus the 99%. 0:08:52.709,0:08:57.279 People for the first time in a generation[br]are aware of massive, corporate and economic 0:08:57.279,0:09:01.680 exploitation. These things are not nonsense.[br]And these subjects are not being addressed. 0:09:01.680,0:09:06.380 No one is doing anything about tax havens,[br]no one is doing anything about their political 0:09:06.380,0:09:10.690 affiliations and financial affiliations of[br]the Conservative Party, so until people start 0:09:10.690,0:09:15.120 addressing things that are actually real,[br]why wouldn't I be facetious, why would I 0:09:15.120,0:09:19.769 take it seriously? Why would I encourage a[br]constituency of young people that are absolutely 0:09:19.769,0:09:23.709 indifferent to vote? Why would we? Aren't[br]you bored? Aren't you more bored than anyone? 0:09:23.709,0:09:27.250 Ain't you been talking to them year after[br]year, listening to their lies, their nonsense. 0:09:27.250,0:09:31.380 Then it's this one that gets in, then it's[br]that one gets in but the problem continues. 0:09:31.380,0:09:34.199 Why are we going to continue to contribute[br]to this facade? 0:09:34.199,0:09:37.920 I'm surprised you can be facetious when you're[br]that angry about it. 0:09:37.920,0:09:42.860 Yeah, I am angry, I am angry. Because for[br]me it's real, because for me it's not just 0:09:42.860,0:09:46.079 some peripheral thing that I just turn up[br]to once in a while to a church fete for. 0:09:46.079,0:09:49.230 For me, this is what I come from. This is[br]what I care about. 0:09:49.230,0:09:51.680 Do you see any hope? 0:09:51.680,0:09:55.649 Remember that - yeah, totally, there's gonna[br]be a revolution. It's totally going to happen. 0:09:55.649,0:10:00.829 I ain't got a flicker of doubt, this is the[br]end. This is time to wake up. 0:10:00.829,0:10:05.040 I remember I seen you in that programme, where[br]you look at your ancestors, and you saw the 0:10:05.040,0:10:09.589 way your grandmother were out to brass herself[br]or got fucked over by the aristocrats who 0:10:09.589,0:10:14.800 ran her gaff. You cried because you knew that[br]it was unfair and unjust. And that was what? 0:10:14.800,0:10:17.569 A century ago? That's happening to people[br]now. I just come from a woman who's been 0:10:17.569,0:10:21.699 treated like that. I've just been talking[br]to a woman today who's being treated like 0:10:21.699,0:10:26.790 that. So if we can engage that feeling, instead[br]of some moment of lachrymose sentimentality 0:10:26.790,0:10:31.949 trotted out on the TV for people to pore over[br]emotional porn. If we can engage that feeling 0:10:31.949,0:10:36.529 and change things, why wouldn't we? Why is[br]that naive? Why is that not my right because 0:10:36.529,0:10:41.329 I'm an actor? I mean I've taken the right.[br]I don't need the right from you. I don't 0:10:41.329,0:10:43.260 need the right from anybody. I'm taking it.